Hi All,

Had ~ 1-1/4 cups of cabbage for breakfast (contains a slight amount
of onyawn and a bit of bacon). And a cup of my 99:99 chicken
broth. 1/2 hr later did some exercise (jogging).

Hit 179 mg/dL a half hour later. Yikes!

Two Cinnulins, two Mulberries, and two hours later back down to
120 mg/dL. *¡Ay, caramba!*

Seems to me I am eating the wrong thing for breakfast. (And
maybe I am jogging at the wrong time.)

What do you non-insulin T2's eat for breakfast? (I have developed
a distaste for ["my"] eggs. Rats!)

Many thanks,
-T

Well, my breakfasts mostly revolve around eggs. Two soft-boiled,
scrambled or 2 fried with a bit of bacon, mushrooms and grilled
tomatoes. This morning I had a slice of toasted Burgen brand soy-lin
bread topped with tomato, FGBP and melted cheese. I am quite boring at
breakfast.



"Todd" wrote in message ...

Hi All,

Had ~ 1-1/4 cups of cabbage for breakfast (contains a slight amount
of onyawn and a bit of bacon). And a cup of my 99:99 chicken
broth. 1/2 hr later did some exercise (jogging).

Hit 179 mg/dL a half hour later. Yikes!

Two Cinnulins, two Mulberries, and two hours later back down to
120 mg/dL. *¡Ay, caramba!*

Seems to me I am eating the wrong thing for breakfast. (And
maybe I am jogging at the wrong time.)

What do you non-insulin T2's eat for breakfast? (I have developed
a distaste for ["my"] eggs. Rats!)

Many thanks,
-T

On 03/04/2013 08:18 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
> Well, my breakfasts mostly revolve around eggs. Two soft-boiled,
> scrambled or 2 fried with a bit of bacon, mushrooms and grilled
> tomatoes. This morning I had a slice of toasted Burgen brand soy-lin
> bread topped with tomato, FGBP and melted cheese. I am quite boring at
> breakfast.

Mushroom, tomatoes, and some bacon. That has promise. Thank you!

-T

But you need a fair amount of protein at breakfast IMO, that's why I
choose eggs. You could have chicken, beef, fish etc if you prefer. More
rather than less protein can sometimes prevent a spike if there are any
carbs in the meal.


"Todd" wrote in message ...

On 03/04/2013 08:18 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
> Well, my breakfasts mostly revolve around eggs. Two soft-boiled,
> scrambled or 2 fried with a bit of bacon, mushrooms and grilled
> tomatoes. This morning I had a slice of toasted Burgen brand soy-lin
> bread topped with tomato, FGBP and melted cheese. I am quite boring at
> breakfast.

Mushroom, tomatoes, and some bacon. That has promise. Thank you!

-T

I forgot to add, sometimes I have tex mex steak. Cook a piece of steak,
spread it with salsa, top that with jalapenos (the sort you get in a jar
etc) and top with cheese, put under the grill/broiler.


"Ozgirl" wrote in message ...

But you need a fair amount of protein at breakfast IMO, that's why I
choose eggs. You could have chicken, beef, fish etc if you prefer. More
rather than less protein can sometimes prevent a spike if there are any
carbs in the meal.


"Todd" wrote in message ...

On 03/04/2013 08:18 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
> Well, my breakfasts mostly revolve around eggs. Two soft-boiled,
> scrambled or 2 fried with a bit of bacon, mushrooms and grilled
> tomatoes. This morning I had a slice of toasted Burgen brand soy-lin
> bread topped with tomato, FGBP and melted cheese. I am quite boring at
> breakfast.

Mushroom, tomatoes, and some bacon. That has promise. Thank you!

-T

On 03/04/2013 09:55 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
> I forgot to add, sometimes I have tex mex steak. Cook a piece of steak,
> spread it with salsa, top that with jalapenos (the sort you get in a jar
> etc) and top with cheese, put under the grill/broiler.

Now that just takes the cake. I am incensed. Totally outraged!
Outraged I tell you! Steak for breakfast! That just does it.
I am eating at your house from now on!

:-)

Love it!

Oh you know what? I just ordered a bottle of hot sauce from
Swanson ($3.49 with a additional 15% discount):

https://www.swansonvitamins.com/ariz...5-fl-oz-liquid

Eggs did not come to mind, but just maybe ...

Thank you for the recommendations!

-T

On 03/04/2013 09:52 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
> But you need a fair amount of protein at breakfast IMO, that's why I
> choose eggs. You could have chicken, beef, fish etc if you prefer. More
> rather than less protein can sometimes prevent a spike if there are any
> carbs in the meal.

Great advice. Thank you.

My overly helpful liver loves to do the "wakie wakie"
thing -- "rise and shiny you old ...".

I have been trying to eat something the second I roll out of
bed, even if it is just collage cheese. Did not help this
morning.

Maybe I should try eating a handful of nuts -- lots of
protein and fat.

I did this thing on Saturday with sliced ham where I put cheese
in the middle and fried it. My wife loved it, but I thought it
came out kind of gross. Called it Egg McNoMuffin.

I can only eat two soft boiled eggs at a time or I get
nauseated. (They are farm fresh organic eggs too! They
are VERY good.)

Any tricks to make eggs taste good or differently?

-T

On Tuesday, March 5, 2013 12:00:52 AM UTC-6, Todd wrote:
[snip]> Any tricks to make eggs taste good or differently?
>
> -T

One of my neighbors puts soy sauce on them. I crumble up bacon and put that on my scrambled eggs.

Have you thought of devilled eggs? How about omelets?

In article >,
"Ozgirl" > wrote:

> But you need a fair amount of protein at breakfast IMO, that's why I
> choose eggs. You could have chicken, beef, fish etc if you prefer. More
> rather than less protein can sometimes prevent a spike if there are any
> carbs in the meal.
>
>
> "Todd" wrote in message ...
>
> On 03/04/2013 08:18 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
> > Well, my breakfasts mostly revolve around eggs. Two soft-boiled,
> > scrambled or 2 fried with a bit of bacon, mushrooms and grilled
> > tomatoes. This morning I had a slice of toasted Burgen brand soy-lin
> > bread topped with tomato, FGBP and melted cheese. I am quite boring at
> > breakfast.
>
> Mushroom, tomatoes, and some bacon. That has promise. Thank you!
>
> -T

I thought bacon, and lunch meats were all on nutritionist's hit lists.

Caught in the middle again. February 13, 2013, A new study from the
University of Oxford finds vegetarians live longer than people who eat
meat or fish.

Researchers followed 45,000 adults for nearly 20 years, and found that
vegetarians had a 30 percent lower risk for heart disease.

They say vegetarians had lower blood pressure and cholesterol than those
who ate meat, which could be contributing to their reduced risk for
heart problems.

Doctors say cutting the amount of salt in the American diet could save
hundreds of millions of lives. (heart failure)

And then there is Dr. Mario Martinez, who says that there are no 100
year old Vegans.

What's a boy supposed to do?

Oy.

--
Welcome to the New America.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg>
or
E Pluribus Unum
Next time vote Green Party

"Billy" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Ozgirl" > wrote:
>
>> But you need a fair amount of protein at breakfast IMO, that's why I
>> choose eggs. You could have chicken, beef, fish etc if you prefer. More
>> rather than less protein can sometimes prevent a spike if there are any
>> carbs in the meal.
>>
>>
>> "Todd" wrote in message ...
>>
>> On 03/04/2013 08:18 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
>> > Well, my breakfasts mostly revolve around eggs. Two soft-boiled,
>> > scrambled or 2 fried with a bit of bacon, mushrooms and grilled
>> > tomatoes. This morning I had a slice of toasted Burgen brand soy-lin
>> > bread topped with tomato, FGBP and melted cheese. I am quite boring at
>> > breakfast.
>>
>> Mushroom, tomatoes, and some bacon. That has promise. Thank you!
>>
>> -T
>
> I thought bacon, and lunch meats were all on nutritionist's hit lists.

Who cares? Anyone can call themself a nutritionist. I eat bacon. Not a
lot of it and not often. Occasionally I eat sliced turkey but I don't
really like it that much. That's it for me and the lunch meat. Mostly its
the nitrates that you need to watch out for.
>
> Caught in the middle again. February 13, 2013, A new study from the
> University of Oxford finds vegetarians live longer than people who eat
> meat or fish.

Could be.
>
> Researchers followed 45,000 adults for nearly 20 years, and found that
> vegetarians had a 30 percent lower risk for heart disease.

Could be.
>
> They say vegetarians had lower blood pressure and cholesterol than those
> who ate meat, which could be contributing to their reduced risk for
> heart problems.
>
I must be the odd one out then. Got high BP at about age 25 and high
cholesterol by about age 35. I was a vegetarian.

> Doctors say cutting the amount of salt in the American diet could save
> hundreds of millions of lives. (heart failure)

Which Drs. say that?
>
> And then there is Dr. Mario Martinez, who says that there are no 100
> year old Vegans.

Dunno. Never heard of him. But he's wrong.

http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc...18&pst=1441656
>
> What's a boy supposed to do?
>
> Oy.
>
> --
> Welcome to the New America.
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg>
> or
> E Pluribus Unum
> Next time vote Green Party
>

On 03/12/2013 11:38 PM, Billy wrote:
> In article >,
> "Ozgirl" > wrote:
>
>> But you need a fair amount of protein at breakfast IMO, that's why I
>> choose eggs. You could have chicken, beef, fish etc if you prefer. More
>> rather than less protein can sometimes prevent a spike if there are any
>> carbs in the meal.
>>
>>
>> "Todd" wrote in message ...
>>
>> On 03/04/2013 08:18 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
>>> Well, my breakfasts mostly revolve around eggs. Two soft-boiled,
>>> scrambled or 2 fried with a bit of bacon, mushrooms and grilled
>>> tomatoes. This morning I had a slice of toasted Burgen brand soy-lin
>>> bread topped with tomato, FGBP and melted cheese. I am quite boring at
>>> breakfast.
>>
>> Mushroom, tomatoes, and some bacon. That has promise. Thank you!
>>
>> -T
>
> I thought bacon, and lunch meats were all on nutritionist's hit lists.
>
> Caught in the middle again. February 13, 2013, A new study from the
> University of Oxford finds vegetarians live longer than people who eat
> meat or fish.
>
> Researchers followed 45,000 adults for nearly 20 years, and found that
> vegetarians had a 30 percent lower risk for heart disease.
>
> They say vegetarians had lower blood pressure and cholesterol than those
> who ate meat, which could be contributing to their reduced risk for
> heart problems.
>
> Doctors say cutting the amount of salt in the American diet could save
> hundreds of millions of lives. (heart failure)
>
> And then there is Dr. Mario Martinez, who says that there are no 100
> year old Vegans.
>
> What's a boy supposed to do?
>
> Oy.
>


Hi Billy,

If this was correct, we would not have whole populations of
humans living on this planet that eat zero vegi's and zero fruit.
(Google the Inuit Enigma). Also they eat zero carbs. And they
have no diabetes, no heart disease, no cancer, and no "white man's
diseases".

And, bear in mind that everything they eat is wild caught. Nothing
comes from a disgusting stock yard. No hormones, antibiotics,
pesticides, weed killers, not covered in their own poop, yada,
yada, yada.

If the study is legit and not just political correctness, the
what is "in" the meat that is harming folks needs to be researched.

In my opinion, buy organic and CSA (community supported
agriculture) whenever possible. And find a friend that hunts.

I have a customer that got a moose the year before and it was
more than his family could eat. What a treat! An elk the year
before that. (I hate venison.)

-T

"Todd" > wrote in message
...
> Hi All,
>
> Had ~ 1-1/4 cups of cabbage for breakfast (contains a slight amount
> of onyawn and a bit of bacon). And a cup of my 99:99 chicken
> broth. 1/2 hr later did some exercise (jogging).
>
> Hit 179 mg/dL a half hour later. Yikes!
>
> Two Cinnulins, two Mulberries, and two hours later back down to
> 120 mg/dL. *¡Ay, caramba!*
>
> Seems to me I am eating the wrong thing for breakfast. (And
> maybe I am jogging at the wrong time.)
>
> What do you non-insulin T2's eat for breakfast? (I have developed
> a distaste for ["my"] eggs. Rats!)
>
> Many thanks,
> -T

A meal like that would spike me because it doesn't have enough carbs in it.
Insulin or no insulin.

On 03/04/2013 08:38 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Todd" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Had ~ 1-1/4 cups of cabbage for breakfast (contains a slight amount
>> of onyawn and a bit of bacon). And a cup of my 99:99 chicken
>> broth. 1/2 hr later did some exercise (jogging).
>>
>> Hit 179 mg/dL a half hour later. Yikes!
>>
>> Two Cinnulins, two Mulberries, and two hours later back down to
>> 120 mg/dL. *¡Ay, caramba!*
>>
>> Seems to me I am eating the wrong thing for breakfast. (And
>> maybe I am jogging at the wrong time.)
>>
>> What do you non-insulin T2's eat for breakfast? (I have developed
>> a distaste for ["my"] eggs. Rats!)
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> -T
>
> A meal like that would spike me because it doesn't have enough carbs in it.
> Insulin or no insulin.

I forgot to throw in the hot chocolate. I figured it at about
14 carbs. My liver must have enough glycogen stored in it to
feed an army

"Todd" > wrote in message
...
> On 03/04/2013 08:38 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Todd" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Had ~ 1-1/4 cups of cabbage for breakfast (contains a slight amount
>>> of onyawn and a bit of bacon). And a cup of my 99:99 chicken
>>> broth. 1/2 hr later did some exercise (jogging).
>>>
>>> Hit 179 mg/dL a half hour later. Yikes!
>>>
>>> Two Cinnulins, two Mulberries, and two hours later back down to
>>> 120 mg/dL. *¡Ay, caramba!*
>>>
>>> Seems to me I am eating the wrong thing for breakfast. (And
>>> maybe I am jogging at the wrong time.)
>>>
>>> What do you non-insulin T2's eat for breakfast? (I have developed
>>> a distaste for ["my"] eggs. Rats!)
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>> -T
>>
>> A meal like that would spike me because it doesn't have enough carbs in
>> it.
>> Insulin or no insulin.
>
> I forgot to throw in the hot chocolate. I figured it at about
> 14 carbs. My liver must have enough glycogen stored in it to
> feed an army

Well then I don't know. I would never have carbs in the form of milk or
especially hot chocolate. I prefer my carbs to have more substance to them.
I would say that hot chocolate would likely spike you though.

On 03/05/2013 01:21 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> I forgot to throw in the hot chocolate. I figured it at about
>> >14 carbs. My liver must have enough glycogen stored in it to
>> >feed an army
> Well then I don't know. I would never have carbs in the form of milk or
> especially hot chocolate. I prefer my carbs to have more substance to them.
> I would say that hot chocolate would likely spike you though.

Carbs come from the cocoa powder. The milk is heavy whipping cream. No
carbs.

On 03/05/2013 12:13 PM, Todd wrote:
> On 03/05/2013 01:21 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> I forgot to throw in the hot chocolate. I figured it at about
>>> >14 carbs. My liver must have enough glycogen stored in it to
>>> >feed an army
>> Well then I don't know. I would never have carbs in the form of milk or
>> especially hot chocolate. I prefer my carbs to have more substance to
>> them.
>> I would say that hot chocolate would likely spike you though.
>
> Carbs come from the cocoa powder. The milk is heavy whipping cream. No
> carbs.
>

12 grams per 1/4 cup. I use about teaspoon. Maybe 1-1/2 teaspoons.

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/swans...340-grams-pwdr

And some stevia

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/now-f...ackets-75-pkts

I have gotten use to the gasoline taste. Now food is the best
tasting one I have tried so far.

-T

On 03/05/2013 12:13 PM, Todd wrote:
> On 03/05/2013 01:21 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> I forgot to throw in the hot chocolate. I figured it at about
>>> >14 carbs. My liver must have enough glycogen stored in it to
>>> >feed an army
>> Well then I don't know. I would never have carbs in the form of milk or
>> especially hot chocolate. I prefer my carbs to have more substance to
>> them.
>> I would say that hot chocolate would likely spike you though.
>
> Carbs come from the cocoa powder. The milk is heavy whipping cream. No
> carbs.
>

Just enough cream to cover up the taste of cocoa in water. (Cocoa
in water: YUK!) Cream has a pretty intense amount of fat in it
and it is easy to overdo it.

"Todd" > wrote in message
...
> On 03/05/2013 01:21 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> I forgot to throw in the hot chocolate. I figured it at about
>>> >14 carbs. My liver must have enough glycogen stored in it to
>>> >feed an army
>> Well then I don't know. I would never have carbs in the form of milk or
>> especially hot chocolate. I prefer my carbs to have more substance to
>> them.
>> I would say that hot chocolate would likely spike you though.
>
> Carbs come from the cocoa powder. The milk is heavy whipping cream. No
> carbs.

But you said it was 14g?

either eggs or a protein shake or left over dinner..if I'm going to be
active I eat a tbsp. peanutbutter on a low carb tortilla rolled up.

KROM

"Todd" wrote in message ...

Hi All,

Had ~ 1-1/4 cups of cabbage for breakfast (contains a slight amount
of onyawn and a bit of bacon). And a cup of my 99:99 chicken
broth. 1/2 hr later did some exercise (jogging).

Hit 179 mg/dL a half hour later. Yikes!

Two Cinnulins, two Mulberries, and two hours later back down to
120 mg/dL. *¡Ay, caramba!*

Seems to me I am eating the wrong thing for breakfast. (And
maybe I am jogging at the wrong time.)

What do you non-insulin T2's eat for breakfast? (I have developed
a distaste for ["my"] eggs. Rats!)

Many thanks,
-T

In article >, Todd >
wrote:

> What do you non-insulin T2's eat for breakfast? (I have developed
> a distaste for ["my"] eggs. Rats!)

Eggs: fried, scrambled, omelets. Sometimes with bacon (although I have
to share that with the cats. One of my favorite omelets is with
shredded "mexican" cheese and salsa. YUM!

Accompanied by a big mug of hot tea with a spoon of sugar and a glug of
milk in the winter and iced tea with sugar and lemon in the summer.

PP
--
"What you fail to understand is that criticising established authority by means
of argument and evidence is a crucial aspect of how science works."
- Chris Malcolm

On 03/11/2013 03:15 PM, Peppermint Patootie wrote:
> In article >, Todd >
> wrote:
>
>> What do you non-insulin T2's eat for breakfast? (I have developed
>> a distaste for ["my"] eggs. Rats!)
>
> Eggs: fried, scrambled, omelets. Sometimes with bacon (although I have
> to share that with the cats. One of my favorite omelets is with
> shredded "mexican" cheese and salsa. YUM!
>
> Accompanied by a big mug of hot tea with a spoon of sugar and a glug of
> milk in the winter and iced tea with sugar and lemon in the summer.
>
> PP
>

Hi PP,

Thank you!

I am going to have to try my hand at omelets again.

-T

In article >, Todd >
wrote:

> On 03/11/2013 03:15 PM, Peppermint Patootie wrote:
> > In article >, Todd >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> What do you non-insulin T2's eat for breakfast? (I have developed
> >> a distaste for ["my"] eggs. Rats!)
> >
> > Eggs: fried, scrambled, omelets. Sometimes with bacon (although I have
> > to share that with the cats. One of my favorite omelets is with
> > shredded "mexican" cheese and salsa. YUM!
> >
> > Accompanied by a big mug of hot tea with a spoon of sugar and a glug of
> > milk in the winter and iced tea with sugar and lemon in the summer.
> >
> > PP
> >
>
> Hi PP,
>
> Thank you!
>
> I am going to have to try my hand at omelets again.
>
> -T

Get a heavy, non-stick, omelet pan.

--
Welcome to the New America.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg>
or
E Pluribus Unum
Next time vote Green Party

Billy wrote:

> In article >, Todd >
> wrote:
>
>> On 03/11/2013 03:15 PM, Peppermint Patootie wrote:
>> > In article >, Todd >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> What do you non-insulin T2's eat for breakfast? (I have developed
>> >> a distaste for ["my"] eggs. Rats!)
>> >
>> > Eggs: fried, scrambled, omelets. Sometimes with bacon (although I
>> > have
>> > to share that with the cats. One of my favorite omelets is with
>> > shredded "mexican" cheese and salsa. YUM!
>> >
>> > Accompanied by a big mug of hot tea with a spoon of sugar and a glug of
>> > milk in the winter and iced tea with sugar and lemon in the summer.
>> >
>> > PP
>> >
>>
>> Hi PP,
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> I am going to have to try my hand at omelets again.
>>
>> -T
>
> Get a heavy, non-stick, omelet pan.
>

and use butter, not oil. If I use butter there is no stick problem on the
cast-iron skillet I use. And lifting the skillet is strength exercise ...
I heard the eggs should be left out of the fridge overnight, for the
fluffiest omelette.

In article >,
Bjørn Steensrud > wrote:

> Billy wrote:
>
> > In article >, Todd >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 03/11/2013 03:15 PM, Peppermint Patootie wrote:
> >> > In article >, Todd >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> What do you non-insulin T2's eat for breakfast? (I have developed
> >> >> a distaste for ["my"] eggs. Rats!)
> >> >
> >> > Eggs: fried, scrambled, omelets. Sometimes with bacon (although I
> >> > have
> >> > to share that with the cats. One of my favorite omelets is with
> >> > shredded "mexican" cheese and salsa. YUM!
> >> >
> >> > Accompanied by a big mug of hot tea with a spoon of sugar and a glug of
> >> > milk in the winter and iced tea with sugar and lemon in the summer.
> >> >
> >> > PP
> >> >
> >>
> >> Hi PP,
> >>
> >> Thank you!
> >>
> >> I am going to have to try my hand at omelets again.
> >>
> >> -T
> >
> > Get a heavy, non-stick, omelet pan.
> >
>
> and use butter, not oil. If I use butter there is no stick problem on the
> cast-iron skillet I use. And lifting the skillet is strength exercise ...
> I heard the eggs should be left out of the fridge overnight, for the
> fluffiest omelette.

Lastly, try to find "real" free range (pastured) eggs. The fresher the
eggs, and the butter are the better, said Mme. Annette Poulard.

--
Welcome to the New America.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg>
or
E Pluribus Unum
Next time vote Green Party

Peppermint Patootie wrote:

> In article >, Todd >
> wrote:
>
>> What do you non-insulin T2's eat for breakfast? (I have developed
>> a distaste for ["my"] eggs. Rats!)
>
> Eggs: fried, scrambled, omelets. Sometimes with bacon (although I have
> to share that with the cats. One of my favorite omelets is with
> shredded "mexican" cheese and salsa. YUM!
>
> Accompanied by a big mug of hot tea with a spoon of sugar and a glug of
> milk in the winter and iced tea with sugar and lemon in the summer.
>
> PP

Same here, except my cats don't like bacon. They do like to "wash the dish"
afterwards, before it goes into the real dishwasher :-)

Chopped spinach or leaf parsley on the omelette, a lid of sliced cheese.
In summer, substitute garden greens. Pick'em when I go out to get the
newspaper.