In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

> "Robert Miles" > wrote in message
> ...
> > There's a post on gastroparesis over in misc.health.diabetes that I
> > thought you would want to see.
>
> Why? I know I have it. A post telling me that less diabetics have it than
> originally thought just doesn't do me any good.

once again julie goes to great lengths to demonstrate just how ungrateful she is
for any help

On 1/1/2012 4:36 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> In >, "Julie >
> wrote:
>
>> "Robert > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> There's a post on gastroparesis over in misc.health.diabetes that I
>>> thought you would want to see.
>>
>> Why? I know I have it. A post telling me that less diabetics have it than
>> originally thought just doesn't do me any good.
>
> once again julie goes to great lengths to demonstrate just how ungrateful she is
> for any help

without even reading the post in question that had nothing to do with
her "i already know it all" approach

i give up

i've tried

and i'm probably be STUPID enough to reply to her again (i know i have
already today)

but the animosity that her every post exhibits.................. Julie,
send me a FOAD e-mail, you have my info

kate

"Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/1/2012 4:36 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>> In >, "Julie
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Robert > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> There's a post on gastroparesis over in misc.health.diabetes that I
>>>> thought you would want to see.
>>>
>>> Why? I know I have it. A post telling me that less diabetics have it
>>> than
>>> originally thought just doesn't do me any good.
>>
>> once again julie goes to great lengths to demonstrate just how ungrateful
>> she is
>> for any help
>
> without even reading the post in question that had nothing to do with her
> "i already know it all" approach
>
> i give up
>
> i've tried
>
> and i'm probably be STUPID enough to reply to her again (i know i have
> already today)
>
> but the animosity that her every post exhibits.................. Julie,
> send me a FOAD e-mail, you have my info

I guess I don't even know what you are talking about.

I saw a post by Wendy. She failed to put the link on ASD but she put a link
up on MHD. The link said that fewer people have gastroparesis than
originally thought. I know I have it. It has been confirmed twice by a
gastroenterologist.

I also saw Ozgirl reply about a person she knew that not only had that but
bowel cancer. And that woman was on a liquid diet.

What does this have to do with me? I just don't get it.

Apparently I am missing something.

You are clearly angry with me but I don't know why.

On 1/2/2012 1:13 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Tiger > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 1/1/2012 4:36 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>> In >, "Julie
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Robert > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> There's a post on gastroparesis over in misc.health.diabetes that I
>>>>> thought you would want to see.
>>>>
>>>> Why? I know I have it. A post telling me that less diabetics have it
>>>> than
>>>> originally thought just doesn't do me any good.
>>>
>>> once again julie goes to great lengths to demonstrate just how ungrateful
>>> she is
>>> for any help
>>
>> without even reading the post in question that had nothing to do with her
>> "i already know it all" approach
>>
>> i give up
>>
>> i've tried
>>
>> and i'm probably be STUPID enough to reply to her again (i know i have
>> already today)
>>
>> but the animosity that her every post exhibits.................. Julie,
>> send me a FOAD e-mail, you have my info
>
> I guess I don't even know what you are talking about.
>
> I saw a post by Wendy. She failed to put the link on ASD but she put a link
> up on MHD. The link said that fewer people have gastroparesis than
> originally thought. I know I have it. It has been confirmed twice by a
> gastroenterologist.
>
> I also saw Ozgirl reply about a person she knew that not only had that but
> bowel cancer. And that woman was on a liquid diet.
>
> What does this have to do with me? I just don't get it.
>
> Apparently I am missing something.
>
> You are clearly angry with me but I don't know why.


Julie, there is a big difference between "angry" and "frustrated"

i'm not "angry" with you at all

i AM "frustrated" with you

you answer to a hopefully helpful post was 'why should i read it, i know
i have gastroparesis"

NO THANK YOU for someone trying to HELP you

and i won't even get into it beyond that............... i just wish you
all the best in whatever life you can find for yourself

i care about you, i can't fix you (and NO, you didn't ask to be fixed, i
KNOW THAT)

(someone who apparently................)

wtf

"Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
...
> On 1/2/2012 1:13 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Tiger > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 1/1/2012 4:36 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>>> In >, "Julie
>>>> >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Robert > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> There's a post on gastroparesis over in misc.health.diabetes that I
>>>>>> thought you would want to see.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why? I know I have it. A post telling me that less diabetics have it
>>>>> than
>>>>> originally thought just doesn't do me any good.
>>>>
>>>> once again julie goes to great lengths to demonstrate just how
>>>> ungrateful
>>>> she is
>>>> for any help
>>>
>>> without even reading the post in question that had nothing to do with
>>> her
>>> "i already know it all" approach
>>>
>>> i give up
>>>
>>> i've tried
>>>
>>> and i'm probably be STUPID enough to reply to her again (i know i have
>>> already today)
>>>
>>> but the animosity that her every post exhibits.................. Julie,
>>> send me a FOAD e-mail, you have my info
>>
>> I guess I don't even know what you are talking about.
>>
>> I saw a post by Wendy. She failed to put the link on ASD but she put a
>> link
>> up on MHD. The link said that fewer people have gastroparesis than
>> originally thought. I know I have it. It has been confirmed twice by a
>> gastroenterologist.
>>
>> I also saw Ozgirl reply about a person she knew that not only had that
>> but
>> bowel cancer. And that woman was on a liquid diet.
>>
>> What does this have to do with me? I just don't get it.
>>
>> Apparently I am missing something.
>>
>> You are clearly angry with me but I don't know why.
>
>
> Julie, there is a big difference between "angry" and "frustrated"
>
> i'm not "angry" with you at all
>
> i AM "frustrated" with you
>
> you answer to a hopefully helpful post was 'why should i read it, i know i
> have gastroparesis"
>
> NO THANK YOU for someone trying to HELP you
>
> and i won't even get into it beyond that............... i just wish you
> all the best in whatever life you can find for yourself
>
> i care about you, i can't fix you (and NO, you didn't ask to be fixed, i
> KNOW THAT)
>
> (someone who apparently................)
>
> wtf

I really fail to see how there was any help there. If there was, could you
please point it out? Because I didn't see it.

As I said...

I saw Wendy's post and then the post about a liquid diet.

If you knew about gastroparesis you would know that the liquid diet is used
at stage one. That is not where I am at. I can eat things. Just limited
things.

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

>
> I really fail to see how there was any help there. If there was, could you
> please point it out? Because I didn't see it.
>
> As I said...
>
> I saw Wendy's post and then the post about a liquid diet.
>
> If you knew about gastroparesis you would know that the liquid diet is used
> at stage one. That is not where I am at. I can eat things. Just limited
> things.

it's amusing how much energy you spend defending your position by denying a
position is even relevant. if you would just read the posts and ask yourself if
you could present a more humane and graceful presence...

but no, you'd rather be obnoxious and blame everyone else

Julie Bove > wrote:

: "Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
: ...
: > On 1/1/2012 4:36 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
: >> In >, "Julie
: >> >
: >> wrote:
: >>
: >>> "Robert > wrote in message
: >>> ...
: >>>> There's a post on gastroparesis over in misc.health.diabetes that I
: >>>> thought you would want to see.
: >>>
: >>> Why? I know I have it. A post telling me that less diabetics have it
: >>> than
: >>> originally thought just doesn't do me any good.
: >>
: >> once again julie goes to great lengths to demonstrate just how ungrateful
: >> she is
: >> for any help
: >
: > without even reading the post in question that had nothing to do with her
: > "i already know it all" approach
: >
: > i give up
: >
: > i've tried
: >
: > and i'm probably be STUPID enough to reply to her again (i know i have
: > already today)
: >
: > but the animosity that her every post exhibits.................. Julie,
: > send me a FOAD e-mail, you have my info

: I guess I don't even know what you are talking about.

: I saw a post by Wendy. She failed to put the link on ASD but she put a link
: up on MHD. The link said that fewer people have gastroparesis than
: originally thought. I know I have it. It has been confirmed twice by a
: gastroenterologist.

: I also saw Ozgirl reply about a person she knew that not only had that but
: bowel cancer. And that woman was on a liquid diet.

: What does this have to do with me? I just don't get it.

: Apparently I am missing something.

: You are clearly angry with me but I don't know why.

I had sent the post about the article to BOTH MHD AND ASD, BUT FOR SOME
REASON, NOT MY FAULT it never arrived on asd. It was not my failure!!!!

The implication that somehow iwas wrong or not good enough to not have put
it on asd is not vice. Why say I dfailed, rather than something like it
was just on mhd or no evaluation comment at all?

Wendy

"W. Baker" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove > wrote:
>
> : "Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
> : ...
> : > On 1/1/2012 4:36 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> : >> In >, "Julie
> : >> >
> : >> wrote:
> : >>
> : >>> "Robert > wrote in message
> : >>> ...
> : >>>> There's a post on gastroparesis over in misc.health.diabetes that I
> : >>>> thought you would want to see.
> : >>>
> : >>> Why? I know I have it. A post telling me that less diabetics have
> it
> : >>> than
> : >>> originally thought just doesn't do me any good.
> : >>
> : >> once again julie goes to great lengths to demonstrate just how
> ungrateful
> : >> she is
> : >> for any help
> : >
> : > without even reading the post in question that had nothing to do with
> her
> : > "i already know it all" approach
> : >
> : > i give up
> : >
> : > i've tried
> : >
> : > and i'm probably be STUPID enough to reply to her again (i know i have
> : > already today)
> : >
> : > but the animosity that her every post exhibits..................
> Julie,
> : > send me a FOAD e-mail, you have my info
>
> : I guess I don't even know what you are talking about.
>
> : I saw a post by Wendy. She failed to put the link on ASD but she put a
> link
> : up on MHD. The link said that fewer people have gastroparesis than
> : originally thought. I know I have it. It has been confirmed twice by a
> : gastroenterologist.
>
> : I also saw Ozgirl reply about a person she knew that not only had that
> but
> : bowel cancer. And that woman was on a liquid diet.
>
> : What does this have to do with me? I just don't get it.
>
> : Apparently I am missing something.
>
> : You are clearly angry with me but I don't know why.
>
> I had sent the post about the article to BOTH MHD AND ASD, BUT FOR SOME
> REASON, NOT MY FAULT it never arrived on asd. It was not my failure!!!!
>
> The implication that somehow iwas wrong or not good enough to not have put
> it on asd is not vice. Why say I dfailed, rather than something like it
> was just on mhd or no evaluation comment at all?
>
> Wendy

What? All I said was that you failed the put the link on ASD. What is
wrong with that? At any rate I do not see how your post would be helpful to
*me* personally in any way. I'm not saying it was a bad post. Just saying
it wasn't helpful to me. But then *you* didn't say that it was. Robert is
the one saying there was a post of interest to me. I'm saying if there was,
I missed it. He didn't even say what post it was.

Julie Bove > wrote:

: "W. Baker" > wrote in message
: ...
: > Julie Bove > wrote:
: >
: > : "Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
: > : ...
: > : > On 1/1/2012 4:36 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
: > : >> In >, "Julie
: > : >> >
: > : >> wrote:
: > : >>
: > : >>> "Robert > wrote in message
: > : >>> ...
: > : >>>> There's a post on gastroparesis over in misc.health.diabetes that I
: > : >>>> thought you would want to see.
: > : >>>
: > : >>> Why? I know I have it. A post telling me that less diabetics have
: > it
: > : >>> than
: > : >>> originally thought just doesn't do me any good.
: > : >>
: > : >> once again julie goes to great lengths to demonstrate just how
: > ungrateful
: > : >> she is
: > : >> for any help
: > : >
: > : > without even reading the post in question that had nothing to do with
: > her
: > : > "i already know it all" approach
: > : >
: > : > i give up
: > : >
: > : > i've tried
: > : >
: > : > and i'm probably be STUPID enough to reply to her again (i know i have
: > : > already today)
: > : >
: > : > but the animosity that her every post exhibits..................
: > Julie,
: > : > send me a FOAD e-mail, you have my info
: >
: > : I guess I don't even know what you are talking about.
: >
: > : I saw a post by Wendy. She failed to put the link on ASD but she put a
: > link
: > : up on MHD. The link said that fewer people have gastroparesis than
: > : originally thought. I know I have it. It has been confirmed twice by a
: > : gastroenterologist.
: >
: > : I also saw Ozgirl reply about a person she knew that not only had that
: > but
: > : bowel cancer. And that woman was on a liquid diet.
: >
: > : What does this have to do with me? I just don't get it.
: >
: > : Apparently I am missing something.
: >
: > : You are clearly angry with me but I don't know why.
: >
: > I had sent the post about the article to BOTH MHD AND ASD, BUT FOR SOME
: > REASON, NOT MY FAULT it never arrived on asd. It was not my failure!!!!
: >
: > The implication that somehow iwas wrong or not good enough to not have put
: > it on asd is not vice. Why say I dfailed, rather than something like it
: > was just on mhd or no evaluation comment at all?
: >
: > Wendy

: What? All I said was that you failed the put the link on ASD. What is
: wrong with that? At any rate I do not see how your post would be helpful to
: *me* personally in any way. I'm not saying it was a bad post. Just saying
: it wasn't helpful to me. But then *you* didn't say that it was. Robert is
: the one saying there was a post of interest to me. I'm saying if there was,
: I missed it. He didn't even say what post it was.
As a former or , perhaps. still a writer, you should know the connotations
of words and the emotional and other eanings specifi words have. "failed"
is one such word, implyig some lact or not correct omission or not coming
up to the mark. That is what I am commenting on. You used the word.
"failed which implies that I did something or omitted doing something I
was supposed , or required to do.

I, certainly, was not posting the reference to the article for you or any
other SPECIFIC individual, just to let diabetics have the lastest
information and possibly reduce the worry that it is a common cide effect
of the disease.

Wendy

"W. Baker" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove > wrote:
>
> : "W. Baker" > wrote in message
> : ...
> : > Julie Bove > wrote:
> : >
> : > : "Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
> : > : ...
> : > : > On 1/1/2012 4:36 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> : > : >> In >, "Julie
> : > : >> >
> : > : >> wrote:
> : > : >>
> : > : >>> "Robert > wrote in message
> : > : >>> ...
> : > : >>>> There's a post on gastroparesis over in misc.health.diabetes
> that I
> : > : >>>> thought you would want to see.
> : > : >>>
> : > : >>> Why? I know I have it. A post telling me that less diabetics
> have
> : > it
> : > : >>> than
> : > : >>> originally thought just doesn't do me any good.
> : > : >>
> : > : >> once again julie goes to great lengths to demonstrate just how
> : > ungrateful
> : > : >> she is
> : > : >> for any help
> : > : >
> : > : > without even reading the post in question that had nothing to do
> with
> : > her
> : > : > "i already know it all" approach
> : > : >
> : > : > i give up
> : > : >
> : > : > i've tried
> : > : >
> : > : > and i'm probably be STUPID enough to reply to her again (i know i
> have
> : > : > already today)
> : > : >
> : > : > but the animosity that her every post exhibits..................
> : > Julie,
> : > : > send me a FOAD e-mail, you have my info
> : >
> : > : I guess I don't even know what you are talking about.
> : >
> : > : I saw a post by Wendy. She failed to put the link on ASD but she
> put a
> : > link
> : > : up on MHD. The link said that fewer people have gastroparesis than
> : > : originally thought. I know I have it. It has been confirmed twice
> by a
> : > : gastroenterologist.
> : >
> : > : I also saw Ozgirl reply about a person she knew that not only had
> that
> : > but
> : > : bowel cancer. And that woman was on a liquid diet.
> : >
> : > : What does this have to do with me? I just don't get it.
> : >
> : > : Apparently I am missing something.
> : >
> : > : You are clearly angry with me but I don't know why.
> : >
> : > I had sent the post about the article to BOTH MHD AND ASD, BUT FOR
> SOME
> : > REASON, NOT MY FAULT it never arrived on asd. It was not my
> failure!!!!
> : >
> : > The implication that somehow iwas wrong or not good enough to not have
> put
> : > it on asd is not vice. Why say I dfailed, rather than something like
> it
> : > was just on mhd or no evaluation comment at all?
> : >
> : > Wendy
>
> : What? All I said was that you failed the put the link on ASD. What is
> : wrong with that? At any rate I do not see how your post would be
> helpful to
> : *me* personally in any way. I'm not saying it was a bad post. Just
> saying
> : it wasn't helpful to me. But then *you* didn't say that it was. Robert
> is
> : the one saying there was a post of interest to me. I'm saying if there
> was,
> : I missed it. He didn't even say what post it was.
> As a former or , perhaps. still a writer, you should know the connotations
> of words and the emotional and other eanings specifi words have. "failed"
> is one such word, implyig some lact or not correct omission or not coming
> up to the mark. That is what I am commenting on. You used the word.
> "failed which implies that I did something or omitted doing something I
> was supposed , or required to do.
>
> I, certainly, was not posting the reference to the article for you or any
> other SPECIFIC individual, just to let diabetics have the lastest
> information and possibly reduce the worry that it is a common cide effect
> of the disease.
>
> Wendy

Well, no. I just don't see it. Let me look it up in the dictionary.

Here is one definition: 3.
to be or become deficient or lacking; be insufficient or absent; fall short:
Our supplies failed.

Bottom line, you did not put the link.

So first, Robert posted that there was something that might be of interest
to me, but he didn't tell me specifically what it was. I thought that was
odd that he would even post that in the food newsgroup since I am a regular
on both other newsgroups. Why he thought I wouldn't see it is beyond me.
And whatever it was, remains a mystery to me.

Was it your post? Was it Ozgirl's reply? Or the reply of Mal Reynolds? If
it was his, I didn't see it. He is in my killfile.

I honestly didn't see anything of interest to me. But since *nobody* has
told me what it was I was supposed to have seen, I still don't know.

I looked at ASD and saw your post but with no link. So then I had to go
over to MSD. All I know is that I feel like I was sent on a wild goose
chase and I still haven't a clue what it was I supposed to have seen.

As for the word "fail", that is the way I use it. I have said the same
thing when I have done the same thing. "Oops! I failed to put the link!"
I see nothing at all wrong in saying that. It is proper English.

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

>
> What? All I said was that you failed the put the link on ASD. What is
> wrong with that? At any rate I do not see how your post would be helpful to
> *me* personally in any way. I'm not saying it was a bad post. Just saying
> it wasn't helpful to me. But then *you* didn't say that it was. Robert is
> the one saying there was a post of interest to me. I'm saying if there was,
> I missed it. He didn't even say what post it was.

what you missed and will continue to miss is that when for some unknown reason a
person reaches out to you with something they think might be of interest or
actually helpful, even if the inadvertently leave a link out is to be gracious
and thank them for thinking of you before lashing out at them. This is a life
lesson, use it on your daughter and watch how it works

On 1/2/2012 2:34 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "W. > wrote in message
> ...
>> Julie > wrote:
>>
>> : "Tiger > wrote in message
>> : ...
>> :> On 1/1/2012 4:36 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>> :>> In >, "Julie
>> :>> >
>> :>> wrote:
>> :>>
>> :>>> "Robert > wrote in message
>> :>>> ...
>> :>>>> There's a post on gastroparesis over in misc.health.diabetes that I
>> :>>>> thought you would want to see.
>> :>>>
>> :>>> Why? I know I have it. A post telling me that less diabetics have
>> it
>> :>>> than
>> :>>> originally thought just doesn't do me any good.
>> :>>
>> :>> once again julie goes to great lengths to demonstrate just how
>> ungrateful
>> :>> she is
>> :>> for any help
>> :>
>> :> without even reading the post in question that had nothing to do with
>> her
>> :> "i already know it all" approach
>> :>
>> :> i give up
>> :>
>> :> i've tried
>> :>
>> :> and i'm probably be STUPID enough to reply to her again (i know i have
>> :> already today)
>> :>
>> :> but the animosity that her every post exhibits..................
>> Julie,
>> :> send me a FOAD e-mail, you have my info
>>
>> : I guess I don't even know what you are talking about.
>>
>> : I saw a post by Wendy. She failed to put the link on ASD but she put a
>> link
>> : up on MHD. The link said that fewer people have gastroparesis than
>> : originally thought. I know I have it. It has been confirmed twice by a
>> : gastroenterologist.
>>
>> : I also saw Ozgirl reply about a person she knew that not only had that
>> but
>> : bowel cancer. And that woman was on a liquid diet.
>>
>> : What does this have to do with me? I just don't get it.
>>
>> : Apparently I am missing something.
>>
>> : You are clearly angry with me but I don't know why.
>>
>> I had sent the post about the article to BOTH MHD AND ASD, BUT FOR SOME
>> REASON, NOT MY FAULT it never arrived on asd. It was not my failure!!!!
>>
>> The implication that somehow iwas wrong or not good enough to not have put
>> it on asd is not vice. Why say I dfailed, rather than something like it
>> was just on mhd or no evaluation comment at all?
>>
>> Wendy
>
> What? All I said was that you failed the put the link on ASD. What is
> wrong with that? At any rate I do not see how your post would be helpful to
> *me* personally in any way. I'm not saying it was a bad post. Just saying
> it wasn't helpful to me. But then *you* didn't say that it was. Robert is
> the one saying there was a post of interest to me. I'm saying if there was,
> I missed it. He didn't even say what post it was.

I was probably then already having enough problems with my newsreader
that I couldn't read or write much in any newsgroup. Still not fully
recovered, but at least I'm reading and writing in the newsgroup again.
Over 1000 unread articles, though.

"W. Baker" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove > wrote:
>
> : "Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
> : ...
> : > On 1/1/2012 4:36 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> : >> In >, "Julie
> : >> >
> : >> wrote:
> : >>
> : >>> "Robert > wrote in message
> : >>> ...
> : >>>> There's a post on gastroparesis over in misc.health.diabetes
> that I
> : >>>> thought you would want to see.
> : >>>
> : >>> Why? I know I have it. A post telling me that less diabetics
> have it
> : >>> than
> : >>> originally thought just doesn't do me any good.
> : >>
> : >> once again julie goes to great lengths to demonstrate just how
> ungrateful
> : >> she is
> : >> for any help
> : >
> : > without even reading the post in question that had nothing to do
> with her
> : > "i already know it all" approach
> : >
> : > i give up
> : >
> : > i've tried
> : >
> : > and i'm probably be STUPID enough to reply to her again (i know i
> have
> : > already today)
> : >
> : > but the animosity that her every post exhibits..................
> Julie,
> : > send me a FOAD e-mail, you have my info
>
> : I guess I don't even know what you are talking about.
>
> : I saw a post by Wendy. She failed to put the link on ASD but she
> put a link
> : up on MHD. The link said that fewer people have gastroparesis than
> : originally thought. I know I have it. It has been confirmed twice
> by a
> : gastroenterologist.
>
> : I also saw Ozgirl reply about a person she knew that not only had
> that but
> : bowel cancer. And that woman was on a liquid diet.
>
> : What does this have to do with me? I just don't get it.
>
> : Apparently I am missing something.
>
> : You are clearly angry with me but I don't know why.
>
> I had sent the post about the article to BOTH MHD AND ASD, BUT FOR
> SOME
> REASON, NOT MY FAULT it never arrived on asd. It was not my
> failure!!!!
>
> The implication that somehow iwas wrong or not good enough to not have
> put
> it on asd is not vice. Why say I dfailed, rather than something like
> it
> was just on mhd or no evaluation comment at all?
>
> Wendy

Wendy, the word *failed* doesn't have to have negative connotations. If
I send an email and get a message back that the message has failed that
doesn't mean I wasn't good enough or wrong etc, just that the sending
didn't succeed in its purpose. In this instance I don't think Julie
meant you any ill will by using the (correct) word.

Ozgirl > wrote:


: "W. Baker" > wrote in message
: ...
: > Julie Bove > wrote:
: >
: > : "Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
: > : ...
: > : > On 1/1/2012 4:36 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
: > : >> In >, "Julie
: > : >> >
: > : >> wrote:
: > : >>
: > : >>> "Robert > wrote in message
: > : >>> ...
: > : >>>> There's a post on gastroparesis over in misc.health.diabetes
: > that I
: > : >>>> thought you would want to see.
: > : >>>
: > : >>> Why? I know I have it. A post telling me that less diabetics
: > have it
: > : >>> than
: > : >>> originally thought just doesn't do me any good.
: > : >>
: > : >> once again julie goes to great lengths to demonstrate just how
: > ungrateful
: > : >> she is
: > : >> for any help
: > : >
: > : > without even reading the post in question that had nothing to do
: > with her
: > : > "i already know it all" approach
: > : >
: > : > i give up
: > : >
: > : > i've tried
: > : >
: > : > and i'm probably be STUPID enough to reply to her again (i know i
: > have
: > : > already today)
: > : >
: > : > but the animosity that her every post exhibits..................
: > Julie,
: > : > send me a FOAD e-mail, you have my info
: >
: > : I guess I don't even know what you are talking about.
: >
: > : I saw a post by Wendy. She failed to put the link on ASD but she
: > put a link
: > : up on MHD. The link said that fewer people have gastroparesis than
: > : originally thought. I know I have it. It has been confirmed twice
: > by a
: > : gastroenterologist.
: >
: > : I also saw Ozgirl reply about a person she knew that not only had
: > that but
: > : bowel cancer. And that woman was on a liquid diet.
: >
: > : What does this have to do with me? I just don't get it.
: >
: > : Apparently I am missing something.
: >
: > : You are clearly angry with me but I don't know why.
: >
: > I had sent the post about the article to BOTH MHD AND ASD, BUT FOR
: > SOME
: > REASON, NOT MY FAULT it never arrived on asd. It was not my
: > failure!!!!
: >
: > The implication that somehow iwas wrong or not good enough to not have
: > put
: > it on asd is not vice. Why say I dfailed, rather than something like
: > it
: > was just on mhd or no evaluation comment at all?
: >
: > Wendy

: Wendy, the word *failed* doesn't have to have negative connotations. If
: I send an email and get a message back that the message has failed that
: doesn't mean I wasn't good enough or wrong etc, just that the sending
: didn't succeed in its purpose. In this instance I don't think Julie
: meant you any ill will by using the (correct) word.

It seemed quite judgemental to me. I sent the article to a group I didn't
even think julie read because I didn't tink she woudl find anyting from
it, then later thried to get it to ASD, but it idn't work.

I think julie shuld watch her words, as they can send the wrong meaning if
she did not man to criticise. She is often very free with her disgust at
things other people enjoy, usually foods, but is quick to take offense if
she thinks someone is somehow criticising or being at all "judgemental"
about her. I usually remain silent, but this one just pushed the wrong
button.

Wendy

"W. Baker" > wrote in message
...
> Ozgirl > wrote:
>
>
> : "W. Baker" > wrote in message
> : ...
> : > Julie Bove > wrote:
> : >
> : > : "Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
> : > : ...
> : > : > On 1/1/2012 4:36 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> : > : >> In >, "Julie
> : > : >> >
> : > : >> wrote:
> : > : >>
> : > : >>> "Robert > wrote in message
> : > : >>> ...
> : > : >>>> There's a post on gastroparesis over in misc.health.diabetes
> : > that I
> : > : >>>> thought you would want to see.
> : > : >>>
> : > : >>> Why? I know I have it. A post telling me that less diabetics
> : > have it
> : > : >>> than
> : > : >>> originally thought just doesn't do me any good.
> : > : >>
> : > : >> once again julie goes to great lengths to demonstrate just how
> : > ungrateful
> : > : >> she is
> : > : >> for any help
> : > : >
> : > : > without even reading the post in question that had nothing to do
> : > with her
> : > : > "i already know it all" approach
> : > : >
> : > : > i give up
> : > : >
> : > : > i've tried
> : > : >
> : > : > and i'm probably be STUPID enough to reply to her again (i know i
> : > have
> : > : > already today)
> : > : >
> : > : > but the animosity that her every post exhibits..................
> : > Julie,
> : > : > send me a FOAD e-mail, you have my info
> : >
> : > : I guess I don't even know what you are talking about.
> : >
> : > : I saw a post by Wendy. She failed to put the link on ASD but she
> : > put a link
> : > : up on MHD. The link said that fewer people have gastroparesis than
> : > : originally thought. I know I have it. It has been confirmed twice
> : > by a
> : > : gastroenterologist.
> : >
> : > : I also saw Ozgirl reply about a person she knew that not only had
> : > that but
> : > : bowel cancer. And that woman was on a liquid diet.
> : >
> : > : What does this have to do with me? I just don't get it.
> : >
> : > : Apparently I am missing something.
> : >
> : > : You are clearly angry with me but I don't know why.
> : >
> : > I had sent the post about the article to BOTH MHD AND ASD, BUT FOR
> : > SOME
> : > REASON, NOT MY FAULT it never arrived on asd. It was not my
> : > failure!!!!
> : >
> : > The implication that somehow iwas wrong or not good enough to not have
> : > put
> : > it on asd is not vice. Why say I dfailed, rather than something like
> : > it
> : > was just on mhd or no evaluation comment at all?
> : >
> : > Wendy
>
> : Wendy, the word *failed* doesn't have to have negative connotations. If
> : I send an email and get a message back that the message has failed that
> : doesn't mean I wasn't good enough or wrong etc, just that the sending
> : didn't succeed in its purpose. In this instance I don't think Julie
> : meant you any ill will by using the (correct) word.
>
> It seemed quite judgemental to me. I sent the article to a group I didn't
> even think julie read because I didn't tink she woudl find anyting from
> it, then later thried to get it to ASD, but it idn't work.
>
> I think julie shuld watch her words, as they can send the wrong meaning if
> she did not man to criticise. She is often very free with her disgust at
> things other people enjoy, usually foods, but is quick to take offense if
> she thinks someone is somehow criticising or being at all "judgemental"
> about her. I usually remain silent, but this one just pushed the wrong
> button.

I have always read both groups. But if it was your post that Robert was
referring to, then I don't know why he would have thought that would be of
interest to me. Or maybe he didn't read it? I still don't know. Robert
hasn't said anything since.

On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 02:37:24 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker" >
wrote:

>Ozgirl > wrote:
>
>
>: "W. Baker" > wrote in message
>: ...
>: > Julie Bove > wrote:
>: >
>: > : "Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
>: > : ...
>: > : > On 1/1/2012 4:36 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>: > : >> In >, "Julie
>: > : >> >
>: > : >> wrote:
>: > : >>
>: > : >>> "Robert > wrote in message
>: > : >>> ...
>: > : >>>> There's a post on gastroparesis over in misc.health.diabetes
>: > that I
>: > : >>>> thought you would want to see.
>: > : >>>
>: > : >>> Why? I know I have it. A post telling me that less diabetics
>: > have it
>: > : >>> than
>: > : >>> originally thought just doesn't do me any good.
>: > : >>
>: > : >> once again julie goes to great lengths to demonstrate just how
>: > ungrateful
>: > : >> she is
>: > : >> for any help
>: > : >
>: > : > without even reading the post in question that had nothing to do
>: > with her
>: > : > "i already know it all" approach
>: > : >
>: > : > i give up
>: > : >
>: > : > i've tried
>: > : >
>: > : > and i'm probably be STUPID enough to reply to her again (i know i
>: > have
>: > : > already today)
>: > : >
>: > : > but the animosity that her every post exhibits..................
>: > Julie,
>: > : > send me a FOAD e-mail, you have my info
>: >
>: > : I guess I don't even know what you are talking about.
>: >
>: > : I saw a post by Wendy. She failed to put the link on ASD but she
>: > put a link
>: > : up on MHD. The link said that fewer people have gastroparesis than
>: > : originally thought. I know I have it. It has been confirmed twice
>: > by a
>: > : gastroenterologist.
>: >
>: > : I also saw Ozgirl reply about a person she knew that not only had
>: > that but
>: > : bowel cancer. And that woman was on a liquid diet.
>: >
>: > : What does this have to do with me? I just don't get it.
>: >
>: > : Apparently I am missing something.
>: >
>: > : You are clearly angry with me but I don't know why.
>: >
>: > I had sent the post about the article to BOTH MHD AND ASD, BUT FOR
>: > SOME
>: > REASON, NOT MY FAULT it never arrived on asd. It was not my
>: > failure!!!!
>: >
>: > The implication that somehow iwas wrong or not good enough to not have
>: > put
>: > it on asd is not vice. Why say I dfailed, rather than something like
>: > it
>: > was just on mhd or no evaluation comment at all?
>: >
>: > Wendy
>
>: Wendy, the word *failed* doesn't have to have negative connotations. If
>: I send an email and get a message back that the message has failed that
>: doesn't mean I wasn't good enough or wrong etc, just that the sending
>: didn't succeed in its purpose. In this instance I don't think Julie
>: meant you any ill will by using the (correct) word.
>
>It seemed quite judgemental to me. I sent the article to a group I didn't
>even think julie read because I didn't tink she woudl find anyting from
>it, then later thried to get it to ASD, but it idn't work.
>
>I think julie shuld watch her words, as they can send the wrong meaning if
>she did not man to criticise. She is often very free with her disgust at
>things other people enjoy, usually foods, but is quick to take offense if
>she thinks someone is somehow criticising or being at all "judgemental"
>about her. I usually remain silent, but this one just pushed the wrong
>button.
>
>Wendy


Hi Wendy,

I usually avoid this type of discussion, but I will weigh in on this
one matter; I have taken issue with Julie in the past about her
constant expressions of disgust when any food is mentioned that she
personally doesn't like, and she doesn't like a great many foods.

Since this is a food group, it gets a little depressing to hear
someone using the word "disgusting" about all sorts of very healthy,
fresh and delicious foods. I pointed that out to Julie once, and she
did make an effort to stop saying this or that or the other thing was
"disgusting" to her. I appreciated her effort and left it at that,
(though I have noted that she continues to use the term about foods I
happen to eat and enjoy). Sometimes we human beings try to change our
bad habits and it just doesn't work for us..... Oh well.....

As for the term "failed," I saw those postings, and I don't think she
meant it as an insult. I myself might say that "I failed to include
the link," or that the link "failed to come through" in a post. It
merely would indicate that our intentions didn't work out the way we
planned. But if Wendy took it in a bad way, perhaps it isn't the
individual word that is at fault, but maybe that, in combination with
an accumulation of the many "disgusts" that Julie expresses.

I attribute her many "disgusts" to be a combination of the fact that
she has often explained that her mother didn't do a lot of varied or
involved cooking. I had a great advantage in that mine did, and that
my grandmother and aunts made a huge variety of excellent dishes, so I
got to try many things while I was still young enough to keep an open
mind about foods and developing my palate. So I was advantaged in
that way.

I also had a wonderful encyclopedia of cookery, 22 volumes A to Z,
which I acquired one volume at a time as a very young woman, which
explained many previously unknown vegetable, meats and interestingly
different foods.... things I had never eaten or prepared before, and
provided recipes to try, which expanded my repertoire, experience, and
palate. My life and table have been enriched by my continuing open
mindedness about trying new foods. Julies has not.

What is more, her illness continues to worsen and it seems obvious
that her lifestyle and eating habits (like all of us) are contributing
factors. I feel deeply sorry for her difficulties, but I know better
than to make any suggestions to her, as I did that in the past and
remembering how she reacted. I have my own issues in that
department, so I have no room to talk.

For the present time, my own health has improved enormously since my
surgery last summer. I just have a very tiny appetite nowadays, but
I eat a little of everything, as long as I eat the protein portion
first on my plate, then the veggies, and only then if I have room, a
bite or two of starch.

I hope I haven't "failed" in my attempt to be fair in this issue. I
wish everyone a very happy New Year!

Evelyn

"Ozgirl" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "W. Baker" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Julie Bove > wrote:
>>
>> : "Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
>> : ...
>> : > On 1/1/2012 4:36 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>> : >> In >, "Julie
>> : >> >
>> : >> wrote:
>> : >>
>> : >>> "Robert > wrote in message
>> : >>> ...
>> : >>>> There's a post on gastroparesis over in misc.health.diabetes that
>> I
>> : >>>> thought you would want to see.
>> : >>>
>> : >>> Why? I know I have it. A post telling me that less diabetics have
>> it
>> : >>> than
>> : >>> originally thought just doesn't do me any good.
>> : >>
>> : >> once again julie goes to great lengths to demonstrate just how
>> ungrateful
>> : >> she is
>> : >> for any help
>> : >
>> : > without even reading the post in question that had nothing to do with
>> her
>> : > "i already know it all" approach
>> : >
>> : > i give up
>> : >
>> : > i've tried
>> : >
>> : > and i'm probably be STUPID enough to reply to her again (i know i
>> have
>> : > already today)
>> : >
>> : > but the animosity that her every post exhibits..................
>> Julie,
>> : > send me a FOAD e-mail, you have my info
>>
>> : I guess I don't even know what you are talking about.
>>
>> : I saw a post by Wendy. She failed to put the link on ASD but she put a
>> link
>> : up on MHD. The link said that fewer people have gastroparesis than
>> : originally thought. I know I have it. It has been confirmed twice by
>> a
>> : gastroenterologist.
>>
>> : I also saw Ozgirl reply about a person she knew that not only had that
>> but
>> : bowel cancer. And that woman was on a liquid diet.
>>
>> : What does this have to do with me? I just don't get it.
>>
>> : Apparently I am missing something.
>>
>> : You are clearly angry with me but I don't know why.
>>
>> I had sent the post about the article to BOTH MHD AND ASD, BUT FOR SOME
>> REASON, NOT MY FAULT it never arrived on asd. It was not my failure!!!!
>>
>> The implication that somehow iwas wrong or not good enough to not have
>> put
>> it on asd is not vice. Why say I dfailed, rather than something like it
>> was just on mhd or no evaluation comment at all?
>>
>> Wendy
>
> Wendy, the word *failed* doesn't have to have negative connotations. If I
> send an email and get a message back that the message has failed that
> doesn't mean I wasn't good enough or wrong etc, just that the sending
> didn't succeed in its purpose. In this instance I don't think Julie meant
> you any ill will by using the (correct) word.

I didn't and I honestly don't know why everyone is getting so upset.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ozgirl" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "W. Baker" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Julie Bove > wrote:
>>>
>>> : "Tiger Lily" > wrote in message
>>> : ...
>>> : > On 1/1/2012 4:36 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>> : >> In >, "Julie
>>> : >> >
>>> : >> wrote:
>>> : >>
>>> : >>> "Robert > wrote in message
>>> : >>> ...
>>> : >>>> There's a post on gastroparesis over in misc.health.diabetes
>>> that I
>>> : >>>> thought you would want to see.
>>> : >>>
>>> : >>> Why? I know I have it. A post telling me that less diabetics
>>> have it
>>> : >>> than
>>> : >>> originally thought just doesn't do me any good.
>>> : >>
>>> : >> once again julie goes to great lengths to demonstrate just how
>>> ungrateful
>>> : >> she is
>>> : >> for any help
>>> : >
>>> : > without even reading the post in question that had nothing to do
>>> with her
>>> : > "i already know it all" approach
>>> : >
>>> : > i give up
>>> : >
>>> : > i've tried
>>> : >
>>> : > and i'm probably be STUPID enough to reply to her again (i know
>>> i have
>>> : > already today)
>>> : >
>>> : > but the animosity that her every post exhibits..................
>>> Julie,
>>> : > send me a FOAD e-mail, you have my info
>>>
>>> : I guess I don't even know what you are talking about.
>>>
>>> : I saw a post by Wendy. She failed to put the link on ASD but she
>>> put a link
>>> : up on MHD. The link said that fewer people have gastroparesis
>>> than
>>> : originally thought. I know I have it. It has been confirmed
>>> twice by a
>>> : gastroenterologist.
>>>
>>> : I also saw Ozgirl reply about a person she knew that not only had
>>> that but
>>> : bowel cancer. And that woman was on a liquid diet.
>>>
>>> : What does this have to do with me? I just don't get it.
>>>
>>> : Apparently I am missing something.
>>>
>>> : You are clearly angry with me but I don't know why.
>>>
>>> I had sent the post about the article to BOTH MHD AND ASD, BUT FOR
>>> SOME
>>> REASON, NOT MY FAULT it never arrived on asd. It was not my
>>> failure!!!!
>>>
>>> The implication that somehow iwas wrong or not good enough to not
>>> have put
>>> it on asd is not vice. Why say I dfailed, rather than something
>>> like it
>>> was just on mhd or no evaluation comment at all?
>>>
>>> Wendy
>>
>> Wendy, the word *failed* doesn't have to have negative connotations.
>> If I send an email and get a message back that the message has failed
>> that doesn't mean I wasn't good enough or wrong etc, just that the
>> sending didn't succeed in its purpose. In this instance I don't think
>> Julie meant you any ill will by using the (correct) word.
>
> I didn't and I honestly don't know why everyone is getting so upset.

Well Wendy feels offended. I don't think it was meant to offend her but
I am not you (who may or may not have meant to offend) or Wendy (who did
feel offended). Kiss and make up?

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:

> I didn't and I honestly don't know why everyone is getting so upset.

this is the heart of the discussion. you are clueless and ungrateful

Tiger Lily wrote:

> On 1/1/2012 4:36 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>> In >, "Julie
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> "Robert > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> There's a post on gastroparesis over in misc.health.diabetes that I
>>>> thought you would want to see.
>>>
>>> Why? I know I have it. A post telling me that less diabetics have it
>>> than originally thought just doesn't do me any good.
>>
>> once again julie goes to great lengths to demonstrate just how ungrateful
>> she is for any help
>
> without even reading the post in question that had nothing to do with
> her "i already know it all" approach
>
> i give up
>
> i've tried
>
> and i'm probably be STUPID enough to reply to her again (i know i have
> already today)
>
> but the animosity that her every post exhibits.................. Julie,
> send me a FOAD e-mail, you have my info
>
> kate

She's filtered (not KF'ed), I couldn't stand that incessant whining, when
there are others in the group that have life situations worse than she, and
still don't whine about it. The occasional fulminant rave clears the mind
and the mood of the group :-) and also earns renewed respect.

"Bjørn Steensrud" > wrote in message
...
> Tiger Lily wrote:
>
>> On 1/1/2012 4:36 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>> In >, "Julie
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Robert > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> There's a post on gastroparesis over in misc.health.diabetes that I
>>>>> thought you would want to see.
>>>>
>>>> Why? I know I have it. A post telling me that less diabetics have it
>>>> than originally thought just doesn't do me any good.
>>>
>>> once again julie goes to great lengths to demonstrate just how
>>> ungrateful
>>> she is for any help
>>
>> without even reading the post in question that had nothing to do with
>> her "i already know it all" approach
>>
>> i give up
>>
>> i've tried
>>
>> and i'm probably be STUPID enough to reply to her again (i know i have
>> already today)
>>
>> but the animosity that her every post exhibits.................. Julie,
>> send me a FOAD e-mail, you have my info
>>
>> kate
>
> She's filtered (not KF'ed), I couldn't stand that incessant whining, when
> there are others in the group that have life situations worse than she,
> and
> still don't whine about it. The occasional fulminant rave clears the mind
> and the mood of the group :-) and also earns renewed respect.

Well I know this is the food newsgroup and I do post about food here. But
on ASD it is a support group and I do think people should be allowed to vent
there.

Apparently nobody else here has the same problems that I do. I am glad it
is so easy for them to control their BG. It isn't for me. And I haven't
found the solution yet.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...

> Apparently nobody else here has the same problems that I do. I am glad it
> is so easy for them to control their BG. It isn't for me. And I haven't
> found the solution yet.

Who said it was easy? Personally, I think you're one of those who has taken
the EASY way these many years while your health continues to deteriorate. If
you actually got down to finding real solutions instead of making excuses at
every turn, you would probably find many of them, but it's not easy,
especially when you say (very often in fact) that you are "not looking for
advice or solutions" so there you have it. JMO

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Apparently nobody else here has the same problems that I do. I am glad
>> it is so easy for them to control their BG. It isn't for me. And I
>> haven't found the solution yet.
>
> Who said it was easy? Personally, I think you're one of those who has
> taken the EASY way these many years while your health continues to
> deteriorate. If you actually got down to finding real solutions instead of
> making excuses at every turn, you would probably find many of them, but
> it's not easy, especially when you say (very often in fact) that you are
> "not looking for advice or solutions" so there you have it. JMO

Oh seriously? You think I have taken the easy way? You think having to go
on insulin and still not seeing lower numbers is the easy way? Okay then!

You think I haven't looked for REAL solutions? Okay then! Glad it is so
EASY for you to just low carb. That honestly doesn't work for me at all.
And I have tried. But... Whatever. I know what you think of me now.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Apparently nobody else here has the same problems that I do. I am glad
>>> it is so easy for them to control their BG. It isn't for me. And I
>>> haven't found the solution yet.
>>
>> Who said it was easy? Personally, I think you're one of those who has
>> taken the EASY way these many years while your health continues to
>> deteriorate. If you actually got down to finding real solutions instead
>> of making excuses at every turn, you would probably find many of them,
>> but it's not easy, especially when you say (very often in fact) that you
>> are "not looking for advice or solutions" so there you have it. JMO
>
> Oh seriously? You think I have taken the easy way? You think having to
> go on insulin and still not seeing lower numbers is the easy way? Okay
> then!
>
> You think I haven't looked for REAL solutions? Okay then! Glad it is so
> EASY for you to just low carb. That honestly doesn't work for me at all.
> And I have tried. But... Whatever. I know what you think of me now.

It really irritates me when people make statements like you did that it's
"so easy" for others to control their BG, so I thought I'd answer in kind.
I'm on Lantus now, but a very small dosage along with low carb. If I ate
anything I wanted all the time, I'd have some really high numbers requiring
fast acting insulin as well. I believe you said you take both now? Anyway,
you had your say, I had my say...that's enough.

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Apparently nobody else here has the same problems that I do. I am
>> glad it is so easy for them to control their BG. It isn't for me.
>> And I haven't found the solution yet.
>
> Who said it was easy? Personally, I think you're one of those who has
> taken the EASY way these many years while your health continues to
> deteriorate. If you actually got down to finding real solutions
> instead of making excuses at every turn, you would probably find many
> of them, but it's not easy, especially when you say (very often in
> fact) that you are "not looking for advice or solutions" so there you
> have it. JMO
>
> Cheri

Cheri, we don't know Julie personally. I feel we should all start taking
Julie as she is. Probably the bottom line here is that she rarely asks
for advice but likes to vent. I know its human nature to want to help
but I feel if a person doesn't ask for help why should they be abused if
they won't accept unwanted help? On Julie's part I think perhaps you
*could* (not saying *should*) choose your wording more carefully when
answering people. Some definitely do mean well, others don't. I
personally would ignore those I know are only here for the argument and
perhaps change my answering style for the ones who genuinely do care.

In this thread I personally would have said (if I was in your shoes, and
of course I'm not) "thanks Wendy, I will look into it" and leave it
there. For an analogy, we don't ask for Xmas and birthday gifts etc but
there are two ways we can receive them - with graciousness (whether we
find the gift useful or whatever) or with an attitude of "why would you
think I want a gift, especially this one...". The intent of the giver is
almost always good. In UseNet not always good intent but those people
are easier to weed out and delete than family and friends

At the end of the day of course, we will all post how we want but I'd
rather see a bit more tolerance in the groups personally.

On 1/2/2012 4:47 PM, Ozgirl wrote:
>
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Apparently nobody else here has the same problems that I do. I am
>>> glad it is so easy for them to control their BG. It isn't for me. And
>>> I haven't found the solution yet.
>>
>> Who said it was easy? Personally, I think you're one of those who has
>> taken the EASY way these many years while your health continues to
>> deteriorate. If you actually got down to finding real solutions
>> instead of making excuses at every turn, you would probably find many
>> of them, but it's not easy, especially when you say (very often in
>> fact) that you are "not looking for advice or solutions" so there you
>> have it. JMO
>>
>> Cheri
>
> Cheri, we don't know Julie personally. I feel we should all start taking
> Julie as she is. Probably the bottom line here is that she rarely asks
> for advice but likes to vent. I know its human nature to want to help
> but I feel if a person doesn't ask for help why should they be abused if
> they won't accept unwanted help? On Julie's part I think perhaps you
> *could* (not saying *should*) choose your wording more carefully when
> answering people. Some definitely do mean well, others don't. I
> personally would ignore those I know are only here for the argument and
> perhaps change my answering style for the ones who genuinely do care.
>
> In this thread I personally would have said (if I was in your shoes, and
> of course I'm not) "thanks Wendy, I will look into it" and leave it
> there. For an analogy, we don't ask for Xmas and birthday gifts etc but
> there are two ways we can receive them - with graciousness (whether we
> find the gift useful or whatever) or with an attitude of "why would you
> think I want a gift, especially this one...". The intent of the giver is
> almost always good. In UseNet not always good intent but those people
> are easier to weed out and delete than family and friends
>
> At the end of the day of course, we will all post how we want but I'd
> rather see a bit more tolerance in the groups personally.

Jan, i think you hit the nail on the head. It's the lack of
graciousness and the accusatory fashion that Julie will delve off into
that will get the best of me.... like last night when i didn't agree
with her, so she felt i was angry

no....... not at all, but i did get angry soon after that!

perhaps it's best if i just don't reply to Julie's 'venting'
wait, or bother to read it either

In article >,
"Ozgirl" > wrote:

>
> Cheri, we don't know Julie personally. I feel we should all start taking
> Julie as she is. Probably the bottom line here is that she rarely asks
> for advice but likes to vent. I know its human nature to want to help
> but I feel if a person doesn't ask for help why should they be abused if
> they won't accept unwanted help? On Julie's part I think perhaps you
> *could* (not saying *should*) choose your wording more carefully when
> answering people. Some definitely do mean well, others don't. I
> personally would ignore those I know are only here for the argument and
> perhaps change my answering style for the ones who genuinely do care.

what makes you think afd should be julies personal psychiatric ward? while she
occasionally does post on topic, most of her posts are rants or thinly veiled
pleas for help...don't think she "rarely" asks for help. At the very least she
demonstrates a lack of graciousness that is astounding but that is only exceeded
by the numbers of people who think she is just fine and can't understand why she
is being "attacked"

In article >, "Julie Bove" >
wrote:



> > She's filtered (not KF'ed), I couldn't stand that incessant whining, when
> > there are others in the group that have life situations worse than she,
> > and
> > still don't whine about it. The occasional fulminant rave clears the mind
> > and the mood of the group :-) and also earns renewed respect.
>
> Well I know this is the food newsgroup and I do post about food here. But
> on ASD it is a support group and I do think people should be allowed to vent
> there.
>
> Apparently nobody else here has the same problems that I do. I am glad it
> is so easy for them to control their BG. It isn't for me. And I haven't
> found the solution yet.

and once again you demonstrate just how ungrateful you are and how little you
understand what others are trying to tell you

On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 13:06:32 -0800, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
> wrote:

>In article >, "Julie Bove" >
>wrote:
>
>
>
>> > She's filtered (not KF'ed), I couldn't stand that incessant whining, when
>> > there are others in the group that have life situations worse than she,
>> > and
>> > still don't whine about it. The occasional fulminant rave clears the mind
>> > and the mood of the group :-) and also earns renewed respect.
>>
>> Well I know this is the food newsgroup and I do post about food here. But
>> on ASD it is a support group and I do think people should be allowed to vent
>> there.
>>
>> Apparently nobody else here has the same problems that I do. I am glad it
>> is so easy for them to control their BG. It isn't for me. And I haven't
>> found the solution yet.
>
>and once again you demonstrate just how ungrateful you are and how little you
>understand what others are trying to tell you


Yes, but you have to understand that she cannot see that. She
perceives it as an attack, not as help. So therefore it is actually
not help, even if you intend it that way.

Advice must be given in terms that the other person is capable of
digesting and utilizing. You are perceptive and have half the thing
right. The other half is how to express it in a way she can use!

Happy New Year!

Evelyn

Bjørn Steensrud wrote:

> and still don't whine about it. The occasional fulminant rave clears the

That should be "rant", of course. We're mostly too old for rave parties
around here :-)