I was just diagnosed with hypo/diabetic this past week.
I have not seen a specialist yet. So I am looking for answers.
Hopefully someone in here can tell me what to do.
I have done alot of reading on the web, and tried to follow
the diets that they suggest, but i keep crashing 4-5 times a day.
I have never gone above 180, but if i get down to 110 or lower
I feel shaky, like my legs are going to buckle, my eye sight
is real blurry. I do not have extreme thirst.
For breakfast this morning , I had a bagel with peanut butter,
banana, and cinnamon. 1/2 glass of 1% milk.
Within a 1/2 hr I was crashing why?

Thanks for any help.

Trish

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:27:36 -0700, wrote:

>I was just diagnosed with hypo/diabetic this past week.
>I have not seen a specialist yet. So I am looking for answers.
>Hopefully someone in here can tell me what to do.
>I have done alot of reading on the web, and tried to follow
>the diets that they suggest, but i keep crashing 4-5 times a day.
>I have never gone above 180, but if i get down to 110 or lower
>I feel shaky, like my legs are going to buckle, my eye sight
>is real blurry. I do not have extreme thirst.
>For breakfast this morning , I had a bagel with peanut butter,
>banana, and cinnamon. 1/2 glass of 1% milk.
>Within a 1/2 hr I was crashing why?
>
>Thanks for any help.
>
>Trish

You said you never go above 180. I seriously doubt that; I
suspect that you are not testing at the peak times after you
eat.

I am reasonably well controlled these days - but that
breakfast would have sent me way over 10(180).
Conservatively, this is the carb count:
Bagel: 35-60gms
Banana, medium: 25-35gms
Milk:5-8gms
Total: 65-103gms

If you eat the same thing - or similar - tomorrow, try
testing every 20 minutes, from when you finish breakfast
until the low hits you.

Just for fun, I'll stick my neck out and predict:
Fasting: 130+
post-breakfast:
20 mins 140+
40 mins 220+
60 mins 200+
80 mins 140+
100 mins 100 +/- 20

Let me know how wrong I am. Believe me - I hope I am. But if
you are feeling bad at 110 or lower, then you are running
very high most of the time.

While you think about that, read this:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
and this:
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/d-day.html


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>I was just diagnosed with hypo/diabetic this past week.
> I have not seen a specialist yet. So I am looking for answers.
> Hopefully someone in here can tell me what to do.
> I have done alot of reading on the web, and tried to follow
> the diets that they suggest, but i keep crashing 4-5 times a day.
> I have never gone above 180, but if i get down to 110 or lower
> I feel shaky, like my legs are going to buckle, my eye sight
> is real blurry. I do not have extreme thirst.
> For breakfast this morning , I had a bagel with peanut butter,
> banana, and cinnamon. 1/2 glass of 1% milk.
> Within a 1/2 hr I was crashing why?
>
> Thanks for any help.

First, there is no such thing as hypo/diabetic. Although a diabetic can
have a hypo. 110 is not a hypo. You can have symptoms of hypo if your BG
spikes very high and then crashes rapidly. Eating a breakfast with that
many carbs in it is bound to cause that to happen. You might get by with
1/2 of a bagel with peanut butter, but bagels are one of the worst forms of
bread for a diabetic. You'd be better off with whole grain bread. Bananas
are very high in carbs and so is milk.

You need to get a referral to a dietician who will explain to you the
different food groups. Carbs are what raise BG (blood glucose) the most.
There are carbs in everything you ate for breakfast, including the peanut
butter. In fact, many kinds of peanut butter contain added sugar!

Also, the body is the most insulin resistant in the morning so many of us
find we have to eat less carbs for breakfast than any other time of the day.
There is no way I could eat that meal you ate any time of day. My BG would
go through the roof. You'd be better off eating things like meat, eggs,
cheese, nuts, etc. for breakfast and perhaps a small amount of carbs.

At what points during the day do you test your BG? You should be testing at
2 hours after eating to see what your numbers are then.

On Jul 15, 8:17 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> ups.com...
>
> >I was just diagnosed with hypo/diabetic this past week.
> > I have not seen a specialist yet. So I am looking for answers.
> > Hopefully someone in here can tell me what to do.
> > I have done alot of reading on the web, and tried to follow
> > the diets that they suggest, but i keep crashing 4-5 times a day.
> > I have never gone above 180, but if i get down to 110 or lower
> > I feel shaky, like my legs are going to buckle, my eye sight
> > is real blurry. I do not have extreme thirst.
> > For breakfast this morning , I had a bagel with peanut butter,
> > banana, and cinnamon. 1/2 glass of 1% milk.
> > Within a 1/2 hr I was crashing why?
>
> > Thanks for any help.
>
> First, there is no such thing as hypo/diabetic. Although a diabetic can
> have a hypo. 110 is not a hypo. You can have symptoms of hypo if your BG
> spikes very high and then crashes rapidly. Eating a breakfast with that
> many carbs in it is bound to cause that to happen. You might get by with
> 1/2 of a bagel with peanut butter, but bagels are one of the worst forms of
> bread for a diabetic. You'd be better off with whole grain bread. Bananas
> are very high in carbs and so is milk.
>
> You need to get a referral to a dietician who will explain to you the
> different food groups. Carbs are what raise BG (blood glucose) the most.
> There are carbs in everything you ate for breakfast, including the peanut
> butter. In fact, many kinds of peanut butter contain added sugar!
>
> Also, the body is the most insulin resistant in the morning so many of us
> find we have to eat less carbs for breakfast than any other time of the day.
> There is no way I could eat that meal you ate any time of day. My BG would
> go through the roof. You'd be better off eating things like meat, eggs,
> cheese, nuts, etc. for breakfast and perhaps a small amount of carbs.
>
> At what points during the day do you test your BG? You should be testing at
> 2 hours after eating to see what your numbers are then.

Julie,

The earlier replies all pinpointed carbs as the most likely offenders
in your crashes. I agree. When I was following the ADA guidelines
for carb intake, I had roller-coaster numbers. Though I seldom had
hypoglycemic events, I did experience crashes. I now limit my carb
intake, especially at breakfast time, and seldom test above 140. As a
result, my doc has taken me off Glyburide and lowered my Metformin
intake. No insulin. My sister-in-law is a registered diabetes
educator and is insistant about following their guidelines. In my
case, and perhaps yours, it doesn't work. Don't lose hope. It sounds
as though you need some basic diabetes education, then experimentation
to discover what works best for you. You should also factor in daily
exercise. That will also change your numbers and overall wellbeing.
Good luck.

Buz

On Jul 15, 9:27 pm, wrote:
> I was just diagnosed with hypo/diabetic this past week.
> I have not seen a specialist yet. So I am looking for answers.
> Hopefully someone in here can tell me what to do.
> I have done alot of reading on the web, and tried to follow
> the diets that they suggest, but i keep crashing 4-5 times a day.
> I have never gone above 180, but if i get down to 110 or lower
> I feel shaky, like my legs are going to buckle, my eye sight
> is real blurry. I do not have extreme thirst.
> For breakfast this morning , I had a bagel with peanut butter,
> banana, and cinnamon. 1/2 glass of 1% milk.
> Within a 1/2 hr I was crashing why?
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Trish


Thank you to all that responded, I did better today.
And I do have a appt on Thursday with a Diabetic specialist.

I woke up at 4 am BC was 121
8:30 still fasting with only coffee 111
9:30 I had asparagus, and chicken approx 1 cup my BC was 110
11:15 2 slices of 12 grain bread with peanut butter and 1/2 glass of
1% milk.
11:35 BC was 128 ,,,,12:15 BC was 130
2:15 117
Yogurt and cheese stick
2:45 BC 145
3:45 132
It is now 4;30 and I am having a lite dinner of grapes, oranges, with
chicken, sliced almonds, celery and
lite mayo.
So I did not feel the crash that I have been feeling for the last 2
weeks.
Besides exercise, is this basically how I should be eating?
Why is my vision so blurry?
My blood sugars range from 180-90.
My Dr says she can not put me on any medicine because my blood sugar
crashes so fast.
So when I said I was Hypo/Diabetic thats what I thought.
I will hopefully have more insight on this soon.
Thanks again.
Trish

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:33:41 -0700, wrote:

>I though I was supose to have at least 50 carbs with every meal.

Wow! Where did that come from, Trish? I don't have reactive
hypoglycemia, but it's not uncommon for me to eat 50g in a day!

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:51:16 -0700, wrote:

>thanks again.
>I got my mothers look, my fathers lousy genes, and I still havent
>decided who's brains i got,
>no one will take the blame for that one
>have a nice evening.
>Trish
>i will let you know how the rest of the week goes

Trish, you've had some excellent advice from Susan and the
others.

Have you tried that testing routine yet, to put it into
practice?

Here it is again:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

On Jul 17, 3:03 am, Nicky > wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:33:41 -0700, wrote:
> >I though I was supose to have at least 50 carbs with every meal.
>
> Wow! Where did that come from, Trish? I don't have reactive
> hypoglycemia, but it's not uncommon for me to eat 50g in a day!
>
> Nicky.
> T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
> Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

My thyroid did test high in March now they say I am normal again.
Does Diabetes and Thyroid problems go hand in hand?
Trish
Hey be nice this is all new to me, someone told me 15 carbs in one
choice and
you should have 3 choices with each meal. I cant help people give me
the wrong info. I guess Thursday the specialist will set me straight,
and I am getting some
good advice from everyone in here. I have cut my carbs down to amost
nothing ,
and even though its tough not to react to carbs when you get so shaky
and weak,
I am toughing it outl.

In article . com>,
wrote:

> I better do some more reading, apparently I have gone about this all
> wrong.
> I though I was supose to have at least 50 carbs with every meal. And
> more
> if I felt shaky or my legs felt like they were going to buckle. It
> does make
> you feel better at the time.................So what you are telling me
> is to ride
> it out unless it dips below 70?
> No carbs for breakfast and 30 or for all other meals? (approx)
> No more peanut butter and jelly sandwiches to make me feel better
> until morning.
> I thought feeling better was the objective........damn I hate to sound
> stupid,
> but I really am clueless on this disease.

Living longer without heart attacks or strokes and with your feet,
kidneys, and eyes all functioning is the objective. In order to have a
better chance of doing that, one is advised to keep one's BG in the
normal range. I try not to go over 140 at 1 hour after first bite of a
meal and under 120 at 2 hours. I don't "correct" a lower reading unless
I'm feeling really shaky, which these days doesn't happen until the low
60s. It'll probably take a while for you to start feeling good at
normal numbers. The body gets used to high numbers when it's lived with
them for a while.

Priscilla, T2, last A1c 5.5

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> On Jul 17, 3:03 am, Nicky > wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:33:41 -0700, wrote:
>> >I though I was supose to have at least 50 carbs with every meal.
>>
>> Wow! Where did that come from, Trish? I don't have reactive
>> hypoglycemia, but it's not uncommon for me to eat 50g in a day!
>>
>> Nicky.
>> T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
>> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
>> Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25
>
> My thyroid did test high in March now they say I am normal again.
> Does Diabetes and Thyroid problems go hand in hand?
> Trish
> Hey be nice this is all new to me, someone told me 15 carbs in one
> choice and
> you should have 3 choices with each meal. I cant help people give me
> the wrong info. I guess Thursday the specialist will set me straight,
> and I am getting some
> good advice from everyone in here. I have cut my carbs down to amost
> nothing ,
> and even though its tough not to react to carbs when you get so shaky
> and weak,
> I am toughing it out.

Both thyroid problems and diabetes are metabolic disorders so it is common
for one to have both problems. And if you do have thyroid problems, that
can make diabetes more difficult to control.

Next time anyone tells you specifically to eat a set amount of carbs, run!
There is no one diet we all follow. What works for one person might not
work for another. There was a time when I could eat three carb choices for
lunch and dinner. Never for breakfast. And that time is not now.

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:42:15 -0700, wrote:

>My thyroid did test high in March now they say I am normal again.
>Does Diabetes and Thyroid problems go hand in hand?

Can do - both endocrine disorders. Mine is underactive.

>Hey be nice this is all new to me, someone told me 15 carbs in one
>choice and
>you should have 3 choices with each meal. I cant help people give me
>the wrong info. I guess Thursday the specialist will set me straight,

Ah! You got really, really old advice for T1s on a fixed insulin
pattern. OK, I was afraid you got that from the specialist - sometimes
they are bang up to date, sometimes they're still banging rocks
together!

>and I am getting some
>good advice from everyone in here. I have cut my carbs down to amost
>nothing ,
>and even though its tough not to react to carbs when you get so shaky
>and weak,
>I am toughing it outl.

Good for you - your body really will feel better when you persuade it
to be on an even keel!

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

wrote in message
>coping this word for word, if i eat three times per day.
>
>Breakfast:
>
>3-4 carb choices 45-60 carbs per meal
>0-2 oz of protien (2 eggs or atkins protien shake)
>0-1 fat
>
>Snack:
>Yogurt 30 carbs
>walnuts 4 halves
>
>Lunch:
>3-4 carb choices
>vegtable (like asparagus unlimited)
>2-3 oz of chicken
>1-2 fat choices
>
>Snack:
>2 carb choices
>cottage cheese 1/2 cup
>
>Dinner:
>3-4 carb choices
>vegtable
>3 oz of meat
>baked potato
>1-2 oz of butter
>
>snack:
>1-2 carb choices
>
>any comments? please tell me what you think.
>
>Thanks
>Trish

I don't mean to be flip, but there are no words to tell you what I
think. It saddens me that dieticians continue to push this kind of
crap to diabetics. Please continue to search for answers that work for
you, and don't just automatically take someone elses word for it, just
because "they said so." Keep questioning. Good luck.

Cheri

On Jul 20, 6:24 pm, "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote:
> wrote in message
> >coping this word for word, if i eat three times per day.
>
> >Breakfast:
>
> >3-4 carb choices 45-60 carbs per meal
> >0-2 oz of protien (2 eggs or atkins protien shake)
> >0-1 fat
>
> >Snack:
> >Yogurt 30 carbs
> >walnuts 4 halves
>
> >Lunch:
> >3-4 carb choices
> >vegtable (like asparagus unlimited)
> >2-3 oz of chicken
> >1-2 fat choices
>
> >Snack:
> >2 carb choices
> >cottage cheese 1/2 cup
>
> >Dinner:
> >3-4 carb choices
> >vegtable
> >3 oz of meat
> >baked potato
> >1-2 oz of butter
>
> >snack:
> >1-2 carb choices
>
> >any comments? please tell me what you think.
>
> >Thanks
> >Trish
>
> I don't mean to be flip, but there are no words to tell you what I
> think. It saddens me that dieticians continue to push this kind of
> crap to diabetics. Please continue to search for answers that work for
> you, and don't just automatically take someone elses word for it, just
> because "they said so." Keep questioning. Good luck.
>
> Cheri- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks Cheri, that is exactly what I am trying to do.
I have been in and out of Dr offices for 4 years.. Ever since I got
West Nile
I have felt awful, and I keep looking for answers. I have come to
realize
Drs do not have all the answers. They just try and medicate
you , so it covers up the symptoms.
I appreciate the feed back.
Trish

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:27:51 -0700, wrote:

>
>No Susan it has made me gain weight this week, geez.
>I just read alot of the website you gave me, and I am changing over
>to what you have been telling me all week.
>Im going low carb for a week. And check them against my numbers
>I have been running. Will i see a difference in a week?
>
>Trish

Hi Trish

I've read every post in the thread. Like Cheri, words fail
me on that recommended diet. And you are already seeing the
poor results of it.

Please, please read these two links and put them into
practice:

http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
That is the best advice I received since diagosis; it
changed my life.

http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/d-day.html
That, and the pages that follow it, is how I put Jennifer's
advice into practice.

Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
--
I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience.
Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be
an expensive teacher.
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

> wrote in message
oups.com...

> Im back.
> I had two appts since I was here last, one with the diabetic educator,
> and one with the
> dietician.
> The diabetic educator listened to me and just wrote all my numbers
> down from my monitor,
> and told me to eat three times a day as the dietician worked up for
> me.
> Dietician said to eat 3-4 carb choices per meal x3 , or 2 carb choices
> if i prefer x6 a day.
> You guys tell me to intake very low carbs. Now I am really confused.
> Is this old school in the diabetic world?

If you're a very large person and/or very active, this might work for you.
If you use insulin, this might work for you.

Use your meter and see what you test after eating. If your numbers are in
normal range, then fine.

I've seen three dieticians and the only time I was told to eat that many
carbs was when I was pregnant. But not that many for breakfast. Only
allowed two servings then. On a good day, I eat 10 servings of carbs per
day. That's two with breakfast, two with bedtime snack and three for lunch
and dinner. But most of my days are not good ones so I have to eat less.

In article .com>,
wrote:

> any comments? please tell me what you think.

Oh, my God! My numbers would be through the roof on that!

Lots of wonderful green leafy or colorful veges. Fish, meat, poultry,
tofu, cheese, cream, nuts, garlic, spices, herbs, olive oil, avocados,
eggs, berries... that's the stuff I've discovered I should eat.

Sample menus:

Breakfast:
salsa and cheese 3-egg omelet
tea with a little sugar and milk

Lunch:
big salad with various vegies, hard cooked eggs, cheese, olives
whole wheat pita
strawberries
Diet Pepsi wild cherry

Dinner:
ground lamb patty
mushrooms cooked in pan drippings
big pile of steamed broccoli with fresh lemon and butter
sugar-free chocolate pudding with real whipped cream

Snacks:
olives, pickles, brie on a very few crackers, nuts

Like that. Real food, minus the white starchy stuff that gives me
nothing but carbohydrate and a spike to my blood sugar. Eating like
this got my blood sugar under control and made me feel much MUCH better!
I also lost an initial 40 lbs, although that wasn't my aim.

Keep asking questions. Your body, your science experiment!

Priscilla, T2, last A1c 5.5

wrote:
>
> coping this word for word, if i eat three times per day.
>
> Breakfast:
>
> 3-4 carb choices 45-60 carbs per meal
> 0-2 oz of protien (2 eggs or atkins protien shake)
> 0-1 fat
>
> Snack:
> Yogurt 30 carbs
> walnuts 4 halves
>
> Lunch:
> 3-4 carb choices
> vegtable (like asparagus unlimited)
> 2-3 oz of chicken
> 1-2 fat choices
>
> Snack:
> 2 carb choices
> cottage cheese 1/2 cup
>
> Dinner:
> 3-4 carb choices
> vegtable
> 3 oz of meat
> baked potato
> 1-2 oz of butter
>
> snack:
> 1-2 carb choices
>
> any comments? please tell me what you think.
>
> Thanks
> Trish
>
>
>

FWIW I'm not a Diabetic, just a care-giver to a long-term DM, but I
wouldn't eat your diet! I'd be obese!

I would suggest that you start with 2 carb choices at each meal and
check your blood sugar 2 hours after you eat. That will give you a good
idea of how the amount of carbs are effecting you.

Try to find healthier snacks. One snack might be a carb choice of fruit,
but not more than one choice. The evening snack should contain some
peanut butter. It seems to work to prevent liver-dumping for some people.

FIND ANOTHER DIETICIAN!

--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

On Jul 20, 8:04 pm, Janet Wilder > wrote:
> wrote:
>
> > coping this word for word, if i eat three times per day.
>
> > Breakfast:
>
> > 3-4 carb choices 45-60 carbs per meal
> > 0-2 oz of protien (2 eggs or atkins protien shake)
> > 0-1 fat
>
> > Snack:
> > Yogurt 30 carbs
> > walnuts 4 halves
>
> > Lunch:
> > 3-4 carb choices
> > vegtable (like asparagus unlimited)
> > 2-3 oz of chicken
> > 1-2 fat choices
>
> > Snack:
> > 2 carb choices
> > cottage cheese 1/2 cup
>
> > Dinner:
> > 3-4 carb choices
> > vegtable
> > 3 oz of meat
> > baked potato
> > 1-2 oz of butter
>
> > snack:
> > 1-2 carb choices
>
> > any comments? please tell me what you think.
>
> > Thanks
> > Trish
>
> FWIW I'm not a Diabetic, just a care-giver to a long-term DM, but I
> wouldn't eat your diet! I'd be obese!
>
> I would suggest that you start with 2 carb choices at each meal and
> check your blood sugar 2 hours after you eat. That will give you a good
> idea of how the amount of carbs are effecting you.
>
> Try to find healthier snacks. One snack might be a carb choice of fruit,
> but not more than one choice. The evening snack should contain some
> peanut butter. It seems to work to prevent liver-dumping for some people.
>
> FIND ANOTHER DIETICIAN!
>
> --
> Janet Wilder
> Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
> Good Friends. Good Life- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Good Morning Everyone,
BC was 117 fasting this morning.
I had boiled egg and 2 slices of bacon , coffee for Breakfast
1 hr later my BC is 125.
I feel really weak and shaky. I am trying not to reach for any
carbs. Is this correct?

Trish

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:04:54 -0700, wrote:

>On Jul 20, 8:04 pm, Janet Wilder > wrote:
>> wrote:
>>
>> > coping this word for word, if i eat three times per day.
>>
>> > Breakfast:
>>
>> > 3-4 carb choices 45-60 carbs per meal
>> > 0-2 oz of protien (2 eggs or atkins protien shake)
>> > 0-1 fat
>>
>> > Snack:
>> > Yogurt 30 carbs
>> > walnuts 4 halves
>>
>> > Lunch:
>> > 3-4 carb choices
>> > vegtable (like asparagus unlimited)
>> > 2-3 oz of chicken
>> > 1-2 fat choices
>>
>> > Snack:
>> > 2 carb choices
>> > cottage cheese 1/2 cup
>>
>> > Dinner:
>> > 3-4 carb choices
>> > vegtable
>> > 3 oz of meat
>> > baked potato
>> > 1-2 oz of butter
>>
>> > snack:
>> > 1-2 carb choices
>>
>> > any comments? please tell me what you think.
>>
>> > Thanks
>> > Trish
>>
>> FWIW I'm not a Diabetic, just a care-giver to a long-term DM, but I
>> wouldn't eat your diet! I'd be obese!
>>
>> I would suggest that you start with 2 carb choices at each meal and
>> check your blood sugar 2 hours after you eat. That will give you a good
>> idea of how the amount of carbs are effecting you.
>>
>> Try to find healthier snacks. One snack might be a carb choice of fruit,
>> but not more than one choice. The evening snack should contain some
>> peanut butter. It seems to work to prevent liver-dumping for some people.
>>
>> FIND ANOTHER DIETICIAN!
>>
>> --
>> Janet Wilder
>> Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
>> Good Friends. Good Life- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Good Morning Everyone,
>BC was 117 fasting this morning.
>I had boiled egg and 2 slices of bacon , coffee for Breakfast
>1 hr later my BC is 125.
>I feel really weak and shaky. I am trying not to reach for any
>carbs. Is this correct?
>
>Trish

I'm not sure why you'd be shaky at that number - that all
looks pretty good to me and I doubt you've been high between
breakfast and that reading.

The only reason I can suggest is that you've been high for
far too long and your body still has to get used to more
reasonable BG levels. If you have been following that
ghastly menu from your dietician that's a real possibility.

I presume you've checked that your meter has the right code
or chip (depending on type) in it for your strips; that's a
possibility, but a remote one I'd guess.

I would recommend that you check BG's a little more often
while you go through this phase, just to be sure.

And congratulations on taking that step.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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On Jul 21, 9:27 am, Alan S > wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:04:54 -0700, wrote:
> >On Jul 20, 8:04 pm, Janet Wilder > wrote:
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > coping this word for word, if i eat three times per day.
>
> >> > Breakfast:
>
> >> > 3-4 carb choices 45-60 carbs per meal
> >> > 0-2 oz of protien (2 eggs or atkins protien shake)
> >> > 0-1 fat
>
> >> > Snack:
> >> > Yogurt 30 carbs
> >> > walnuts 4 halves
>
> >> > Lunch:
> >> > 3-4 carb choices
> >> > vegtable (like asparagus unlimited)
> >> > 2-3 oz of chicken
> >> > 1-2 fat choices
>
> >> > Snack:
> >> > 2 carb choices
> >> > cottage cheese 1/2 cup
>
> >> > Dinner:
> >> > 3-4 carb choices
> >> > vegtable
> >> > 3 oz of meat
> >> > baked potato
> >> > 1-2 oz of butter
>
> >> > snack:
> >> > 1-2 carb choices
>
> >> > any comments? please tell me what you think.
>
> >> > Thanks
> >> > Trish
>
> >> FWIW I'm not a Diabetic, just a care-giver to a long-term DM, but I
> >> wouldn't eat your diet! I'd be obese!
>
> >> I would suggest that you start with 2 carb choices at each meal and
> >> check your blood sugar 2 hours after you eat. That will give you a good
> >> idea of how the amount of carbs are effecting you.
>
> >> Try to find healthier snacks. One snack might be a carb choice of fruit,
> >> but not more than one choice. The evening snack should contain some
> >> peanut butter. It seems to work to prevent liver-dumping for some people.
>
> >> FIND ANOTHER DIETICIAN!
>
> >> --
> >> Janet Wilder
> >> Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
> >> Good Friends. Good Life- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >Good Morning Everyone,
> >BC was 117 fasting this morning.
> >I had boiled egg and 2 slices of bacon , coffee for Breakfast
> >1 hr later my BC is 125.
> >I feel really weak and shaky. I am trying not to reach for any
> >carbs. Is this correct?
>
> >Trish
>
> I'm not sure why you'd be shaky at that number - that all
> looks pretty good to me and I doubt you've been high between
> breakfast and that reading.
>
> The only reason I can suggest is that you've been high for
> far too long and your body still has to get used to more
> reasonable BG levels. If you have been following that
> ghastly menu from your dietician that's a real possibility.
>
> I presume you've checked that your meter has the right code
> or chip (depending on type) in it for your strips; that's a
> possibility, but a remote one I'd guess.
>
> I would recommend that you check BG's a little more often
> while you go through this phase, just to be sure.
>
> And congratulations on taking that step.
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
> --http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
> latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforesthttp://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
> latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Good Morning Alan,
I appreciate all your advice, I have read alot of your website, and I
thank you.

I have a Accu-Check Advantage. I got it 2 months ago. I change the
chip when i start
new strips. I would hope it reads correctly. How would I know?

Trish

In article . com>,
wrote:

> On Jul 20, 8:04 pm, Janet Wilder > wrote:
> > wrote:
> >
> > > coping this word for word, if i eat three times per day.
> >
> > > Breakfast:
> >
> > > 3-4 carb choices 45-60 carbs per meal
> > > 0-2 oz of protien (2 eggs or atkins protien shake)
> > > 0-1 fat
> >
> > > Snack:
> > > Yogurt 30 carbs
> > > walnuts 4 halves
> >
> > > Lunch:
> > > 3-4 carb choices
> > > vegtable (like asparagus unlimited)
> > > 2-3 oz of chicken
> > > 1-2 fat choices
> >
> > > Snack:
> > > 2 carb choices
> > > cottage cheese 1/2 cup
> >
> > > Dinner:
> > > 3-4 carb choices
> > > vegtable
> > > 3 oz of meat
> > > baked potato
> > > 1-2 oz of butter
> >
> > > snack:
> > > 1-2 carb choices
> >
> > > any comments? please tell me what you think.
> >
> > > Thanks
> > > Trish
> >
> > FWIW I'm not a Diabetic, just a care-giver to a long-term DM, but I
> > wouldn't eat your diet! I'd be obese!
> >
> > I would suggest that you start with 2 carb choices at each meal and
> > check your blood sugar 2 hours after you eat. That will give you a good
> > idea of how the amount of carbs are effecting you.
> >
> > Try to find healthier snacks. One snack might be a carb choice of fruit,
> > but not more than one choice. The evening snack should contain some
> > peanut butter. It seems to work to prevent liver-dumping for some people.
> >
> > FIND ANOTHER DIETICIAN!
> >
> > --
> > Janet Wilder
> > Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
> > Good Friends. Good Life- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Good Morning Everyone,
> BC was 117 fasting this morning.
> I had boiled egg and 2 slices of bacon , coffee for Breakfast
> 1 hr later my BC is 125.
> I feel really weak and shaky. I am trying not to reach for any
> carbs. Is this correct?

Yup. You're going to feel "off" above normal numbers until your body is
used to living in the normal range.

Priscilla

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:33:23 -0700, wrote:

>Good Morning Alan,
>I appreciate all your advice, I have read alot of your website, and I
>thank you.
>
>I have a Accu-Check Advantage. I got it 2 months ago. I change the
>chip when i start
>new strips. I would hope it reads correctly. How would I know?
>
>Trish

If you've changed the chip as instructed - it should be
fine. I also use Accu-chek (a "Go") and have never had a
problem when the right chip is inserted. You can test with
control solutions - but I've never found it worth the effort
because thay'e always tested OK.

I agree with Susan not to make changes too rapidly - but I
also would not go too slow. Keep us informed.

When I was at a similar stage I carried jelly beans with me
to treat lows. However, I didn't get the low symptoms at the
higher numbers. Usually I was in the 4's (70s) or 3's (55+).
The other newsgroup suggested is alt.support.diabetes; there
is also misc.health.diabetes (a bit quieter and more
technical) and alt.support.diabetes.uk for UK diabetics and
others who talk in millimoles.

I agree with trying to achieve as much as you can with diet
and exercise before adding pills or insulin - but don't make
that your goal. The goal is good diabetes control; if that
eventually means that pills or insulin are needed then so be
it. But I do agree on providing the meds with the best diet
and exercise regimen you can so that they can be used at the
minimum needed level.

Finally, if part of your problem is reactive hypoglycemia
(and I'm not totally convinced it is at the moment) then
"grazing" can be useful. That is a technique of spreading
your meals into lots of smaller meals and snacks across the
day. Same calories, but eat less food more often. That way
you never hit your system with a big carb load at one time.

For example, in a typical day my meals a

7am: breakfast
10am: snack
noon: light lunch
2 pm: snack
4pm: snack
6pm: dinner
8pm: snack
10pm: cereal

The only big meal, comparatively, is dinner. Total calories
is the same as if I had just the three "square" meals daily.



Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
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> wrote in message
ups.com...

> BC 127

I presume you mean BG. Blood glucose?

> I am sitting this one out. I quit cleaning until i feel better. I
> will take 1 g tab if it does not quit soon.
> Please do not give up on me, I have read so much this week, I am
> having a hard time remembering
> everything. I will get this right, and I refuse to go on medication
> if I can get this under control.
> I am on Beta blockers, does that medication cause my body to react a
> different way than if
> i was not on it?

Beta Blockers are not the best thing for a diabetic to use. When I was
first diagnosed, I was on one and it made my BG very erratic. You should
ask your Dr. to switch you to an Ace Inhibitor instead. Betal Blockers are
also thought to bring on diabetes in susceptible people and should not be
used in there is a family history of diabetes.

> I have read some things on that. I asked the Dr and
> the D Educator and they
> both said no. One more thing i have noticed, and maybe its my
> imagination, but when I get like
> this and my feet and hands start cramping up, i seem to produce so
> much salavia, is that
> something to do with diabetics? Dr just looks at me like im crazy.
> Maybe I am or maybe
> this goes back to my vitamin D being so low and my parathyroid tests
> that come in low and
> then normal? Anyone know?

I had the excess saliva thing some years before my diagnosis. I don't know
if there is a connection or not. I also have a lot of other medical
problems.

I don't know about the vitamin D or parathyroid stuff. Sorry.

"Alan S" > wrote in message
...

> I'm not sure why you'd be shaky at that number - that all
> looks pretty good to me and I doubt you've been high between
> breakfast and that reading.
>
The Beta Blocker may well have something to do with it. I was so sick for
the first two weeks following my diagnosis, my parents had to come take care
of Angela for me. She had just turned one. I kept passing out, even when
my BG was in normal range. I was told it was a reaction to the Beta Blocker
because diabetics shouldn't use them.

<snip>

was the coffee black?

If it was then thats a fine breakfast...it takes the body a while to adjust
to the new levels.

KROM

> wrote in message
ups.com...
> On Jul 20, 8:04 pm, Janet Wilder > wrote:
>> wrote:
>>
>> > coping this word for word, if i eat three times per day.
>>
>> > Breakfast:
>>
>> > 3-4 carb choices 45-60 carbs per meal
>> > 0-2 oz of protien (2 eggs or atkins protien shake)
>> > 0-1 fat
>>
>> > Snack:
>> > Yogurt 30 carbs
>> > walnuts 4 halves
>>
>> > Lunch:
>> > 3-4 carb choices
>> > vegtable (like asparagus unlimited)
>> > 2-3 oz of chicken
>> > 1-2 fat choices
>>
>> > Snack:
>> > 2 carb choices
>> > cottage cheese 1/2 cup
>>
>> > Dinner:
>> > 3-4 carb choices
>> > vegtable
>> > 3 oz of meat
>> > baked potato
>> > 1-2 oz of butter
>>
>> > snack:
>> > 1-2 carb choices
>>
>> > any comments? please tell me what you think.
>>
>> > Thanks
>> > Trish
>>
>> FWIW I'm not a Diabetic, just a care-giver to a long-term DM, but I
>> wouldn't eat your diet! I'd be obese!
>>
>> I would suggest that you start with 2 carb choices at each meal and
>> check your blood sugar 2 hours after you eat. That will give you a good
>> idea of how the amount of carbs are effecting you.
>>
>> Try to find healthier snacks. One snack might be a carb choice of fruit,
>> but not more than one choice. The evening snack should contain some
>> peanut butter. It seems to work to prevent liver-dumping for some people.
>>
>> FIND ANOTHER DIETICIAN!
>>
>> --
>> Janet Wilder
>> Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
>> Good Friends. Good Life- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Good Morning Everyone,
> BC was 117 fasting this morning.
> I had boiled egg and 2 slices of bacon , coffee for Breakfast
> 1 hr later my BC is 125.
> I feel really weak and shaky. I am trying not to reach for any
> carbs. Is this correct?
>
> Trish
>

On Jul 21, 11:49 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> ups.com...
>
> > BC 127
>
> I presume you mean BG. Blood glucose?
>
> > I am sitting this one out. I quit cleaning until i feel better. I
> > will take 1 g tab if it does not quit soon.
> > Please do not give up on me, I have read so much this week, I am
> > having a hard time remembering
> > everything. I will get this right, and I refuse to go on medication
> > if I can get this under control.
> > I am on Beta blockers, does that medication cause my body to react a
> > different way than if
> > i was not on it?
>
> Beta Blockers are not the best thing for a diabetic to use. When I was
> first diagnosed, I was on one and it made my BG very erratic. You should
> ask your Dr. to switch you to an Ace Inhibitor instead. Betal Blockers are
> also thought to bring on diabetes in susceptible people and should not be
> used in there is a family history of diabetes.
>
> > I have read some things on that. I asked the Dr and
> > the D Educator and they
> > both said no. One more thing i have noticed, and maybe its my
> > imagination, but when I get like
> > this and my feet and hands start cramping up, i seem to produce so
> > much salavia, is that
> > something to do with diabetics? Dr just looks at me like im crazy.
> > Maybe I am or maybe
> > this goes back to my vitamin D being so low and my parathyroid tests
> > that come in low and
> > then normal? Anyone know?
>
> I had the excess saliva thing some years before my diagnosis. I don't know
> if there is a connection or not. I also have a lot of other medical
> problems.
>
> I don't know about the vitamin D or parathyroid stuff. Sorry.

Hi Julie,
I tried 7 different Blood Pressure meds, and I had a bad reaction to
all of them
ace, and expecially channel blockers. I have arrythmia, and now that
i have
Diabetes, it has got worse, I am scared to go off of them. I tried
weening
myself off once and i feel so gawd awful I gave up. What brand did
you
switch to?

Trish

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 04:52:50 GMT, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Alan S" > wrote in message
.. .
>
>> I'm not sure why you'd be shaky at that number - that all
>> looks pretty good to me and I doubt you've been high between
>> breakfast and that reading.
>>
>The Beta Blocker may well have something to do with it. I was so sick for
>the first two weeks following my diagnosis, my parents had to come take care
>of Angela for me. She had just turned one. I kept passing out, even when
>my BG was in normal range. I was told it was a reaction to the Beta Blocker
>because diabetics shouldn't use them.
>
><snip>
>
You may be right but I've never taken them.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
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> wrote in message
ps.com...

> Hi Julie,
> I tried 7 different Blood Pressure meds, and I had a bad reaction to
> all of them
> ace, and expecially channel blockers. I have arrythmia, and now that
> i have
> Diabetes, it has got worse, I am scared to go off of them. I tried
> weening
> myself off once and i feel so gawd awful I gave up. What brand did
> you
> switch to?

I currently take Lisinopril and have no problems with it. Tried Tenormin
prior and it left me half dead. I couldn't do a thing while I was taking
it.

Hi Trish,

I am a new diabetic and no expert on that subject but I have tons of
experience with carbs issue, thanks to my SO's long pre-occupation with
it, and much of the concern is common.

Basically you may be eating too many carbs--- and wrong kind of carbs.
All carbs eventually break into sugars. Those that do this slowly are
"good carbs", those that are fast to convert to sugars are "bad carbs".

The scientific jargon for this is Glycemic Index or Glycemic Load; the
lower these numbers for your foods the better.

A quick popular summary is provided in South Beach Diet paperback.

However, I would recommend you read one of the books on "New Glucose
Revolution" by Dr. Jennie Brand-Miller. Thanks to modern marketing,
there are many such books. They are all based on the same science. Pick
the most recent one that talks to diabetics.

<http://www.amazon.com/New-Glucose-Re...diabetes/dp/15
69243077/ref=sr_1_4/104-1320325-1067947?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1186468485&s
r=1-4>

<http://www.amazon.com/Glucose-Revolu.../dp/1569243026
/ref=sr_1_1/104-1320325-1067947?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1186469323&sr=1-1>

You should definitely get tested for "diabetic eye" once a year.
Good luck.

> wrote:

: I was just diagnosed with hypo/diabetic this past week.
: I have not seen a specialist yet. So I am looking for answers.
: Hopefully someone in here can tell me what to do.
: I have done alot of reading on the web, and tried to follow
: the diets that they suggest, but i keep crashing 4-5 times a day.
: I have never gone above 180, but if i get down to 110 or lower
: I feel shaky, like my legs are going to buckle, my eye sight
: is real blurry. I do not have extreme thirst.
: For breakfast this morning , I had a bagel with peanut butter,
: banana, and cinnamon. 1/2 glass of 1% milk.
: Within a 1/2 hr I was crashing why?
:
: Thanks for any help.
:
: Trish
: