I was just diagnosed with hypo/diabetic this past week.
I have not seen a specialist yet. So I am looking for answers.
Hopefully someone in here can tell me what to do.
I have done alot of reading on the web, and tried to follow
the diets that they suggest, but i keep crashing 4-5 times a day.
I have never gone above 180, but if i get down to 110 or lower
I feel shaky, like my legs are going to buckle, my eye sight
is real blurry. I do not have extreme thirst.
For breakfast this morning , I had a bagel with peanut butter,
banana, and cinnamon. 1/2 glass of 1% milk.
Within a 1/2 hr I was crashing why?

Thanks for any help.

Trish

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:27:36 -0700, wrote:

I was just diagnosed with hypo/diabetic this past week.
I have not seen a specialist yet. So I am looking for answers.
Hopefully someone in here can tell me what to do.
I have done alot of reading on the web, and tried to follow
the diets that they suggest, but i keep crashing 4-5 times a day.
I have never gone above 180, but if i get down to 110 or lower
I feel shaky, like my legs are going to buckle, my eye sight
is real blurry. I do not have extreme thirst.
For breakfast this morning , I had a bagel with peanut butter,
banana, and cinnamon. 1/2 glass of 1% milk.
Within a 1/2 hr I was crashing why?

Thanks for any help.

Trish

You said you never go above 180. I seriously doubt that; I
suspect that you are not testing at the peak times after you
eat.

I am reasonably well controlled these days - but that
breakfast would have sent me way over 10(180).
Conservatively, this is the carb count:
Bagel: 35-60gms
Banana, medium: 25-35gms
Milk:5-8gms
Total: 65-103gms

If you eat the same thing - or similar - tomorrow, try
testing every 20 minutes, from when you finish breakfast
until the low hits you.

Just for fun, I'll stick my neck out and predict:
Fasting: 130+
post-breakfast:
20 mins 140+
40 mins 220+
60 mins 200+
80 mins 140+
100 mins 100 +/- 20

Let me know how wrong I am. Believe me - I hope I am. But if
you are feeling bad at 110 or lower, then you are running
very high most of the time.

While you think about that, read this:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
and this:
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/d-day.html


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

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I was just diagnosed with hypo/diabetic this past week.
I have not seen a specialist yet. So I am looking for answers.
Hopefully someone in here can tell me what to do.
I have done alot of reading on the web, and tried to follow
the diets that they suggest, but i keep crashing 4-5 times a day.
I have never gone above 180, but if i get down to 110 or lower
I feel shaky, like my legs are going to buckle, my eye sight
is real blurry. I do not have extreme thirst.
For breakfast this morning , I had a bagel with peanut butter,
banana, and cinnamon. 1/2 glass of 1% milk.
Within a 1/2 hr I was crashing why?

Thanks for any help.

First, there is no such thing as hypo/diabetic. Although a diabetic can
have a hypo. 110 is not a hypo. You can have symptoms of hypo if your BG
spikes very high and then crashes rapidly. Eating a breakfast with that
many carbs in it is bound to cause that to happen. You might get by with
1/2 of a bagel with peanut butter, but bagels are one of the worst forms of
bread for a diabetic. You'd be better off with whole grain bread. Bananas
are very high in carbs and so is milk.

You need to get a referral to a dietician who will explain to you the
different food groups. Carbs are what raise BG (blood glucose) the most.
There are carbs in everything you ate for breakfast, including the peanut
butter. In fact, many kinds of peanut butter contain added sugar!

Also, the body is the most insulin resistant in the morning so many of us
find we have to eat less carbs for breakfast than any other time of the day.
There is no way I could eat that meal you ate any time of day. My BG would
go through the roof. You'd be better off eating things like meat, eggs,
cheese, nuts, etc. for breakfast and perhaps a small amount of carbs.

At what points during the day do you test your BG? You should be testing at
2 hours after eating to see what your numbers are then.

On Jul 15, 8:17 pm, "Julie Bove" wrote:
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ups.com...

I was just diagnosed with hypo/diabetic this past week.
I have not seen a specialist yet. So I am looking for answers.
Hopefully someone in here can tell me what to do.
I have done alot of reading on the web, and tried to follow
the diets that they suggest, but i keep crashing 4-5 times a day.
I have never gone above 180, but if i get down to 110 or lower
I feel shaky, like my legs are going to buckle, my eye sight
is real blurry. I do not have extreme thirst.
For breakfast this morning , I had a bagel with peanut butter,
banana, and cinnamon. 1/2 glass of 1% milk.
Within a 1/2 hr I was crashing why?

Thanks for any help.

First, there is no such thing as hypo/diabetic. Although a diabetic can
have a hypo. 110 is not a hypo. You can have symptoms of hypo if your BG
spikes very high and then crashes rapidly. Eating a breakfast with that
many carbs in it is bound to cause that to happen. You might get by with
1/2 of a bagel with peanut butter, but bagels are one of the worst forms of
bread for a diabetic. You'd be better off with whole grain bread. Bananas
are very high in carbs and so is milk.

You need to get a referral to a dietician who will explain to you the
different food groups. Carbs are what raise BG (blood glucose) the most.
There are carbs in everything you ate for breakfast, including the peanut
butter. In fact, many kinds of peanut butter contain added sugar!

Also, the body is the most insulin resistant in the morning so many of us
find we have to eat less carbs for breakfast than any other time of the day.
There is no way I could eat that meal you ate any time of day. My BG would
go through the roof. You'd be better off eating things like meat, eggs,
cheese, nuts, etc. for breakfast and perhaps a small amount of carbs.

At what points during the day do you test your BG? You should be testing at
2 hours after eating to see what your numbers are then.

Julie,

The earlier replies all pinpointed carbs as the most likely offenders
in your crashes. I agree. When I was following the ADA guidelines
for carb intake, I had roller-coaster numbers. Though I seldom had
hypoglycemic events, I did experience crashes. I now limit my carb
intake, especially at breakfast time, and seldom test above 140. As a
result, my doc has taken me off Glyburide and lowered my Metformin
intake. No insulin. My sister-in-law is a registered diabetes
educator and is insistant about following their guidelines. In my
case, and perhaps yours, it doesn't work. Don't lose hope. It sounds
as though you need some basic diabetes education, then experimentation
to discover what works best for you. You should also factor in daily
exercise. That will also change your numbers and overall wellbeing.
Good luck.

Buz

On Jul 15, 9:27 pm, wrote:
I was just diagnosed with hypo/diabetic this past week.
I have not seen a specialist yet. So I am looking for answers.
Hopefully someone in here can tell me what to do.
I have done alot of reading on the web, and tried to follow
the diets that they suggest, but i keep crashing 4-5 times a day.
I have never gone above 180, but if i get down to 110 or lower
I feel shaky, like my legs are going to buckle, my eye sight
is real blurry. I do not have extreme thirst.
For breakfast this morning , I had a bagel with peanut butter,
banana, and cinnamon. 1/2 glass of 1% milk.
Within a 1/2 hr I was crashing why?

Thanks for any help.

Trish


Thank you to all that responded, I did better today.
And I do have a appt on Thursday with a Diabetic specialist.

I woke up at 4 am BC was 121
8:30 still fasting with only coffee 111
9:30 I had asparagus, and chicken approx 1 cup my BC was 110
11:15 2 slices of 12 grain bread with peanut butter and 1/2 glass of
1% milk.
11:35 BC was 128 ,,,,12:15 BC was 130
2:15 117
Yogurt and cheese stick
2:45 BC 145
3:45 132
It is now 4;30 and I am having a lite dinner of grapes, oranges, with
chicken, sliced almonds, celery and
lite mayo.
So I did not feel the crash that I have been feeling for the last 2
weeks.
Besides exercise, is this basically how I should be eating?
Why is my vision so blurry?
My blood sugars range from 180-90.
My Dr says she can not put me on any medicine because my blood sugar
crashes so fast.
So when I said I was Hypo/Diabetic thats what I thought.
I will hopefully have more insight on this soon.
Thanks again.
Trish

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:33:41 -0700, wrote:

I though I was supose to have at least 50 carbs with every meal.

Wow! Where did that come from, Trish? I don't have reactive
hypoglycemia, but it's not uncommon for me to eat 50g in a day!

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:51:16 -0700, wrote:

thanks again.
I got my mothers look, my fathers lousy genes, and I still havent
decided who's brains i got,
no one will take the blame for that one
have a nice evening.
Trish
i will let you know how the rest of the week goes

Trish, you've had some excellent advice from Susan and the
others.

Have you tried that testing routine yet, to put it into
practice?

Here it is again:
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management

On Jul 17, 3:03 am, Nicky wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:33:41 -0700, wrote:
I though I was supose to have at least 50 carbs with every meal.

Wow! Where did that come from, Trish? I don't have reactive
hypoglycemia, but it's not uncommon for me to eat 50g in a day!

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

My thyroid did test high in March now they say I am normal again.
Does Diabetes and Thyroid problems go hand in hand?
Trish
Hey be nice this is all new to me, someone told me 15 carbs in one
choice and
you should have 3 choices with each meal. I cant help people give me
the wrong info. I guess Thursday the specialist will set me straight,
and I am getting some
good advice from everyone in here. I have cut my carbs down to amost
nothing ,
and even though its tough not to react to carbs when you get so shaky
and weak,
I am toughing it outl.

In article . com,
wrote:

I better do some more reading, apparently I have gone about this all
wrong.
I though I was supose to have at least 50 carbs with every meal. And
more
if I felt shaky or my legs felt like they were going to buckle. It
does make
you feel better at the time.................So what you are telling me
is to ride
it out unless it dips below 70?
No carbs for breakfast and 30 or for all other meals? (approx)
No more peanut butter and jelly sandwiches to make me feel better
until morning.
I thought feeling better was the objective........damn I hate to sound
stupid,
but I really am clueless on this disease.

Living longer without heart attacks or strokes and with your feet,
kidneys, and eyes all functioning is the objective. In order to have a
better chance of doing that, one is advised to keep one's BG in the
normal range. I try not to go over 140 at 1 hour after first bite of a
meal and under 120 at 2 hours. I don't "correct" a lower reading unless
I'm feeling really shaky, which these days doesn't happen until the low
60s. It'll probably take a while for you to start feeling good at
normal numbers. The body gets used to high numbers when it's lived with
them for a while.

Priscilla, T2, last A1c 5.5

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On Jul 17, 3:03 am, Nicky wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:33:41 -0700, wrote:
I though I was supose to have at least 50 carbs with every meal.

Wow! Where did that come from, Trish? I don't have reactive
hypoglycemia, but it's not uncommon for me to eat 50g in a day!

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

My thyroid did test high in March now they say I am normal again.
Does Diabetes and Thyroid problems go hand in hand?
Trish
Hey be nice this is all new to me, someone told me 15 carbs in one
choice and
you should have 3 choices with each meal. I cant help people give me
the wrong info. I guess Thursday the specialist will set me straight,
and I am getting some
good advice from everyone in here. I have cut my carbs down to amost
nothing ,
and even though its tough not to react to carbs when you get so shaky
and weak,
I am toughing it out.

Both thyroid problems and diabetes are metabolic disorders so it is common
for one to have both problems. And if you do have thyroid problems, that
can make diabetes more difficult to control.

Next time anyone tells you specifically to eat a set amount of carbs, run!
There is no one diet we all follow. What works for one person might not
work for another. There was a time when I could eat three carb choices for
lunch and dinner. Never for breakfast. And that time is not now.

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:42:15 -0700, wrote:

My thyroid did test high in March now they say I am normal again.
Does Diabetes and Thyroid problems go hand in hand?

Can do - both endocrine disorders. Mine is underactive.

Hey be nice this is all new to me, someone told me 15 carbs in one
choice and
you should have 3 choices with each meal. I cant help people give me
the wrong info. I guess Thursday the specialist will set me straight,

Ah! You got really, really old advice for T1s on a fixed insulin
pattern. OK, I was afraid you got that from the specialist - sometimes
they are bang up to date, sometimes they're still banging rocks
together!

and I am getting some
good advice from everyone in here. I have cut my carbs down to amost
nothing ,
and even though its tough not to react to carbs when you get so shaky
and weak,
I am toughing it outl.

Good for you - your body really will feel better when you persuade it
to be on an even keel!

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

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coping this word for word, if i eat three times per day.

Breakfast:

3-4 carb choices 45-60 carbs per meal
0-2 oz of protien (2 eggs or atkins protien shake)
0-1 fat

Snack:
Yogurt 30 carbs
walnuts 4 halves

Lunch:
3-4 carb choices
vegtable (like asparagus unlimited)
2-3 oz of chicken
1-2 fat choices

Snack:
2 carb choices
cottage cheese 1/2 cup

Dinner:
3-4 carb choices
vegtable
3 oz of meat
baked potato
1-2 oz of butter

snack:
1-2 carb choices

any comments? please tell me what you think.

Thanks
Trish

I don't mean to be flip, but there are no words to tell you what I
think. It saddens me that dieticians continue to push this kind of
crap to diabetics. Please continue to search for answers that work for
you, and don't just automatically take someone elses word for it, just
because "they said so." Keep questioning. Good luck.

Cheri

On Jul 20, 6:24 pm, "Cheri" gserviceatinreachdotcom wrote:
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coping this word for word, if i eat three times per day.

Breakfast:

3-4 carb choices 45-60 carbs per meal
0-2 oz of protien (2 eggs or atkins protien shake)
0-1 fat

Snack:
Yogurt 30 carbs
walnuts 4 halves

Lunch:
3-4 carb choices
vegtable (like asparagus unlimited)
2-3 oz of chicken
1-2 fat choices

Snack:
2 carb choices
cottage cheese 1/2 cup

Dinner:
3-4 carb choices
vegtable
3 oz of meat
baked potato
1-2 oz of butter

snack:
1-2 carb choices

any comments? please tell me what you think.

Thanks
Trish

I don't mean to be flip, but there are no words to tell you what I
think. It saddens me that dieticians continue to push this kind of
crap to diabetics. Please continue to search for answers that work for
you, and don't just automatically take someone elses word for it, just
because "they said so." Keep questioning. Good luck.

Cheri- Hide quoted text -

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Thanks Cheri, that is exactly what I am trying to do.
I have been in and out of Dr offices for 4 years.. Ever since I got
West Nile
I have felt awful, and I keep looking for answers. I have come to
realize
Drs do not have all the answers. They just try and medicate
you , so it covers up the symptoms.
I appreciate the feed back.
Trish

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:27:51 -0700, wrote:


No Susan it has made me gain weight this week, geez.
I just read alot of the website you gave me, and I am changing over
to what you have been telling me all week.
Im going low carb for a week. And check them against my numbers
I have been running. Will i see a difference in a week?

Trish

Hi Trish

I've read every post in the thread. Like Cheri, words fail
me on that recommended diet. And you are already seeing the
poor results of it.

Please, please read these two links and put them into
practice:

http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
That is the best advice I received since diagosis; it
changed my life.

http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/d-day.html
That, and the pages that follow it, is how I put Jennifer's
advice into practice.

Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
--
I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience.
Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be
an expensive teacher.
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

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Im back.
I had two appts since I was here last, one with the diabetic educator,
and one with the
dietician.
The diabetic educator listened to me and just wrote all my numbers
down from my monitor,
and told me to eat three times a day as the dietician worked up for
me.
Dietician said to eat 3-4 carb choices per meal x3 , or 2 carb choices
if i prefer x6 a day.
You guys tell me to intake very low carbs. Now I am really confused.
Is this old school in the diabetic world?

If you're a very large person and/or very active, this might work for you.
If you use insulin, this might work for you.

Use your meter and see what you test after eating. If your numbers are in
normal range, then fine.

I've seen three dieticians and the only time I was told to eat that many
carbs was when I was pregnant. But not that many for breakfast. Only
allowed two servings then. On a good day, I eat 10 servings of carbs per
day. That's two with breakfast, two with bedtime snack and three for lunch
and dinner. But most of my days are not good ones so I have to eat less.