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This, in rich text format. I know you're more or less not supposed to do this. As the ultimate tightwad I'm always looking for the least expensive way to accomplish something comparable. I just put together figures showing cost of fuel comparisons of different charcoals versus propane. It's a bit disconcerting that the cost of fuel can exceed the cost of food at times. I'm doing 5 lb of pork shoulder with lump charcoal and the cost of pork was $.99/lb.

Fuel Cost Comparison
propane
Walmart "choice" charcoal
Trader Joe's Charcoal
"Lump" Charcoal

cost
$20.00
$5.27
$6.95
varies

weight
20
18
18
varies

cost/lb
$1.00
$0.29
$0.39
$0.55

btu/tank
420000




btu/lb
21000
9000
9000
9000

cost/10,000 BTU
$0.48
$0.33
$0.43
$0.61

Comparison to Propane
100.00%
68.31%
90.09%
128.33%

Fuel Cost per 5 hours
$2.38
$1.63
$2.15
$3.06

Fuel Cost per 10 hours
$4.76
$3.25
$4.29
$6.11



I'm assuming that the BTU per pound of different charcoals is the same, and as we know it's not. I'm also assuming 10,000 BTU per hour, which is variable, based on cooking temp, and the size of the cooking unit. I've been unable to find anything about the ingredients of the Sam's Walmart charcoal, and the Trader Joe's charcoall is claimed to be 100% hardwood plus cornstarch to bind and lump is wood.
Your thoughts??

Ed

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Theron wrote:

I'm assuming that the BTU per pound of different charcoals is the
same, and as we know it's not. I'm also assuming 10,000 BTU per hour,
which is variable, based on cooking temp, and the size of the cooking
unit. I've been unable to find anything about the ingredients of the
Sam's Walmart charcoal, and the Trader Joe's charcoall is claimed to
be 100% hardwood plus cornstarch to bind and lump is wood.
Your thoughts??


Don't forget the waste with lump charcoal.
When I used to buy Mexican mesquite charcoal
at Smart & Final, a lot of it -- maybe a
quarter or even a third of the whole sack
consisted of chips too small to use.
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I know you're more or less not supposed to do this. As the ultimate
tightwad I'm always looking for the least expensive way to accomplish
something comparable. I just put together figures showing cost of fuel
comparisons of different charcoals versus propane. It's a bit
disconcerting that the cost of fuel can exceed the cost of food at
times. I'm doing 5 lb of pork shoulder with lump charcoal and the cost
of pork was $.99/lb.

Fuel Cost Comparison
propane
Walmart "choice" charcoal
Trader Joe's Charcoal
"Lump" Charcoal

cost
$20.00
$5.27
$6.95
varies

weight
20
18
18
varies

cost/lb
$1.00
$0.29
$0.39
$0.55

btu/tank
420000




btu/lb
21000
9000
9000
9000

cost/10,000 BTU
$0.48
$0.33
$0.43
$0.61

Comparison to Propane
100.00%
68.31%
90.09%
128.33%

Fuel Cost per 5 hours
$2.38
$1.63
$2.15
$3.06

Fuel Cost per 10 hours
$4.76
$3.25
$4.29
$6.11



I'm assuming that the BTU per pound of different charcoals is the same,
and as we know it's not. I'm also assuming 10,000 BTU per hour, which is
variable, based on cooking temp, and the size of the cooking unit. I've
been unable to find anything about the ingredients of the Sam's Walmart
charcoal, and the Trader Joe's charcoall is claimed to be 100% hardwood
plus cornstarch to bind and lump is wood.
Your thoughts??

Ed
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Fuel Cost Comparison
propane
Walmart "choice" charcoal
Trader Joe's Charcoal
"Lump" Charcoal
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cost
$20.00
$5.27
$6.95
varies
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weight
20
18
18
varies
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$1.00
$0.29
$0.39
$0.55
=20
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420000
=20
=20
=20
=20
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21000
9000
9000
9000
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$0.48
$0.33
$0.43
$0.61
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100.00%
68.31%
90.09%
128.33%
=20
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$2.38
$1.63
$2.15
$3.06
=20
Fuel Cost per 10 hours
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$3.25
$4.29
$6.11
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Dave Bugg wrote:

You know that this is a text based format, but ignore it anyway. You, sir,
are an ass.


RTF *is* a text format. It is not like posting binaries in a text group.


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Mark Thorson wrote:
Theron wrote:

I'm assuming that the BTU per pound of different charcoals is the
same, and as we know it's not. I'm also assuming 10,000 BTU per hour,
which is variable, based on cooking temp, and the size of the cooking
unit. I've been unable to find anything about the ingredients of the
Sam's Walmart charcoal, and the Trader Joe's charcoall is claimed to
be 100% hardwood plus cornstarch to bind and lump is wood.
Your thoughts??


Don't forget the waste with lump charcoal.
When I used to buy Mexican mesquite charcoal
at Smart & Final, a lot of it -- maybe a
quarter or even a third of the whole sack
consisted of chips too small to use.


Not to mention the wasted heat. When you cook with charcoal you have to
get it going and wait until the coals are all nice and hot. Then when
you are finished grilling you have all that unburned charcoal that you
have to douse or just let die out. Either way, it's gone. My propane
grill heats up in a few minutes, and as soon as I am finished cooking I
turn it off.


$20 for a tank of propane?? I only pay $13 and some place charge $15.
For $22 can take in an old tank and exchange it for a newer full tank.
Cost comparisons have little credibility when they inflate the prices
like that.
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Pete C. wrote:
Dave Bugg wrote:

You know that this is a text based format, but ignore it anyway.
You, sir, are an ass.


RTF *is* a text format. It is not like posting binaries in a text
group.


It uses large amounts of html. It is not used in usenet NGs

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I didn't even notice that this was cross-posted, Sorry. Please, everyone,
delete the crossposting before replying

You are a shithead, Kent.
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In article ,
"Dave Bugg" wrote:

Pete C. wrote:
Dave Bugg wrote:

You know that this is a text based format, but ignore it anyway.
You, sir, are an ass.


RTF *is* a text format. It is not like posting binaries in a text
group.


It uses large amounts of html. It is not used in usenet NGs


RTF does not use HTML. RTF is not used in usenet NGs.

Ed's original post was displayed in plain text in my newsreader on my
computer. When you quoted his post, there were two copies, the first in
plain text, the next in HTML.

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In article ,
"Dave Bugg" wrote:

Theron wrote:

I didn't even notice that this was cross-posted, Sorry. Please, everyone,
delete the crossposting before replying


I didn't notice, either. Still, since I am not subscribed to afb, do I
delete that one? It seems to have more to do with barbeque, though, so
are you suggesting deleting rfc?

Either way, I spend money on charcoal, especially since my younger son,
when he is home, likes to BBQ/smoke/grill. I'm interested in this post.

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Dan Abel wrote:

In article ,
"Dave Bugg" wrote:

Theron wrote:

I didn't even notice that this was cross-posted, Sorry. Please, everyone,
delete the crossposting before replying


I didn't notice, either. Still, since I am not subscribed to afb, do I
delete that one? It seems to have more to do with barbeque, though, so
are you suggesting deleting rfc?

Either way, I spend money on charcoal, especially since my younger son,
when he is home, likes to BBQ/smoke/grill. I'm interested in this post.


Yes, it's crossposted, but within accepted norms, i.e. three groups or
less (only two here), and relevant groups (cooking in general and
barbecue specific).

Personally, I'll worry about cooking fuel costs when they amount to more
than a decimal percentage of my income.
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Victor Sack wrote:

Theron wrote:

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This, in rich text format.


No, it is not. It is in the bloody HTML format and it is not supposed
to be posted to Usenet unless your aim is to be killfiled. Look at all
the junk above and below!

Victor


Folks, this is the year 2009, and October no less, nearly 2010. The days
of 2400 baud or less modems and using USENET shorthand to minimize
bandwidth usage are long over. Even folks still stick on dialup are
getting 36kbps or better connections generally.

The post in question was not a megabyte sized binary posted to a text
group, it was an HTML formatted text message, with the HTML formatting
helping to present a properly ordered chart. The folks complaining about
an HTML post need to get with the 21st century as this complaining is
akin to complaining about someone writing a message in ink on paper vs.
chiseling a stone tablet.
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Either way, I spend money on charcoal, especially since my younger son,
when he is home, likes to BBQ/smoke/grill. I'm interested in this post.


It would be of more value if the assumptions were correct. Some are not.


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"Theron" wrote in message ...
This, in rich text format. I know you're more or less not supposed to do this. As the ultimate tightwad I'm always looking for the least expensive way to accomplish something comparable. I just put together figures showing cost of fuel comparisons of different charcoals versus propane. It's a bit disconcerting that the cost of fuel can exceed the cost of food at times. I'm doing 5 lb of pork shoulder with lump charcoal and the cost of pork was $.99/lb.

Fuel Cost Comparison
propane
Walmart "choice" charcoal
Trader Joe's Charcoal
"Lump" Charcoal

cost
$20.00
$5.27
$6.95
varies

weight
20
18
18
varies

cost/lb
$1.00
$0.29
$0.39
$0.55

btu/tank
420000




btu/lb
21000
9000
9000
9000

cost/10,000 BTU
$0.48
$0.33
$0.43
$0.61

Comparison to Propane
100.00%
68.31%
90.09%
128.33%

Fuel Cost per 5 hours
$2.38
$1.63
$2.15
$3.06

Fuel Cost per 10 hours
$4.76
$3.25
$4.29
$6.11



I'm assuming that the BTU per pound of different charcoals is the same, and as we know it's not. I'm also assuming 10,000 BTU per hour, which is variable, based on cooking temp, and the size of the cooking unit. I've been unable to find anything about the ingredients of the Sam's Walmart charcoal, and the Trader Joe's charcoall is claimed to be 100% hardwood plus cornstarch to bind and lump is wood.
Your thoughts??

Ed

you forgot to include a column for electric smokers.
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Pete C. wrote:

Yes, it's crossposted, but within accepted norms, i.e. three groups or
less (only two here), and relevant groups (cooking in general and
barbecue specific).


The problem is, the groups crossposted have disperate concerns,
personalities, and interests. It is not necessary to drag Sheldon into AFB
or me into RFC. Kent knows full well that he can post this into each group
seperately. He is simply being an ass.

Personally, I'll worry about cooking fuel costs when they amount to
more than a decimal percentage of my income.


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