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This, in rich text format. I know you're more or less not supposed to do this. As the ultimate tightwad I'm always looking for the least expensive way to accomplish something comparable. I just put together figures showing cost of fuel comparisons of different charcoals versus propane. It's a bit disconcerting that the cost of fuel can exceed the cost of food at times. I'm doing 5 lb of pork shoulder with lump charcoal and the cost of pork was $.99/lb.

Fuel Cost Comparison
propane
Walmart "choice" charcoal
Trader Joe's Charcoal
"Lump" Charcoal

cost
$20.00
$5.27
$6.95
varies

weight
20
18
18
varies

cost/lb
$1.00
$0.29
$0.39
$0.55

btu/tank
420000




btu/lb
21000
9000
9000
9000

cost/10,000 BTU
$0.48
$0.33
$0.43
$0.61

Comparison to Propane
100.00%
68.31%
90.09%
128.33%

Fuel Cost per 5 hours
$2.38
$1.63
$2.15
$3.06

Fuel Cost per 10 hours
$4.76
$3.25
$4.29
$6.11



I'm assuming that the BTU per pound of different charcoals is the same, and as we know it's not. I'm also assuming 10,000 BTU per hour, which is variable, based on cooking temp, and the size of the cooking unit. I've been unable to find anything about the ingredients of the Sam's Walmart charcoal, and the Trader Joe's charcoall is claimed to be 100% hardwood plus cornstarch to bind and lump is wood.
Your thoughts??

Ed
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> Theron wrote:
>
> I'm assuming that the BTU per pound of different charcoals is the
> same, and as we know it's not. I'm also assuming 10,000 BTU per hour,
> which is variable, based on cooking temp, and the size of the cooking
> unit. I've been unable to find anything about the ingredients of the
> Sam's Walmart charcoal, and the Trader Joe's charcoall is claimed to
> be 100% hardwood plus cornstarch to bind and lump is wood.
> Your thoughts??


Don't forget the waste with lump charcoal.
When I used to buy Mexican mesquite charcoal
at Smart & Final, a lot of it -- maybe a
quarter or even a third of the whole sack
consisted of chips too small to use.
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> I know you're more or less not supposed to do this. As the ultimate
> tightwad I'm always looking for the least expensive way to accomplish
> something comparable. I just put together figures showing cost of fuel
> comparisons of different charcoals versus propane. It's a bit
> disconcerting that the cost of fuel can exceed the cost of food at
> times. I'm doing 5 lb of pork shoulder with lump charcoal and the cost
> of pork was $.99/lb.
>
> Fuel Cost Comparison
> propane
> Walmart "choice" charcoal
> Trader Joe's Charcoal
> "Lump" Charcoal
>
> cost
> $20.00
> $5.27
> $6.95
> varies
>
> weight
> 20
> 18
> 18
> varies
>
> cost/lb
> $1.00
> $0.29
> $0.39
> $0.55
>
> btu/tank
> 420000
>
>
>
>
> btu/lb
> 21000
> 9000
> 9000
> 9000
>
> cost/10,000 BTU
> $0.48
> $0.33
> $0.43
> $0.61
>
> Comparison to Propane
> 100.00%
> 68.31%
> 90.09%
> 128.33%
>
> Fuel Cost per 5 hours
> $2.38
> $1.63
> $2.15
> $3.06
>
> Fuel Cost per 10 hours
> $4.76
> $3.25
> $4.29
> $6.11
>
>
>
> I'm assuming that the BTU per pound of different charcoals is the same,
> and as we know it's not. I'm also assuming 10,000 BTU per hour, which is
> variable, based on cooking temp, and the size of the cooking unit. I've
> been unable to find anything about the ingredients of the Sam's Walmart
> charcoal, and the Trader Joe's charcoall is claimed to be 100% hardwood
> plus cornstarch to bind and lump is wood.
> Your thoughts??
>
> Ed
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> or less not supposed to do this. </FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial>As the
> ultimate tightwad I'm always looking for the least expensive way to
> accomplish something comparable. I just put together figures showing cost
> of fuel comparisons of different charcoals versus propane. It's a bit
> disconcerting that the cost of fuel can exceed the cost of food at times.
> I'm doing 5 lb of pork shoulder with
> lump charcoal and the cost of pork was $.99/lb.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV>
> <TABLE dir=ltr border=0 cellSpacing=0 width=409>
> <TBODY>
> <TR>
> <TD height=48 width="37%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>Fuel Cost Comparison</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=48 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>propane</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=48 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>Walmart "choice" charcoal</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=48 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>Trader Joe's Charcoal</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=48 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=center>"Lump" Charcoal</FONT></FONT></P></TD></TR>
> <TR>
> <TD height=16 width="37%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>cost</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>$20.00</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>$5.27</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>$6.95</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>varies</FONT></FONT></P></TD></TR>
> <TR>
> <TD height=16 width="37%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>weight</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>20</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>18</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>18</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>varies</FONT></FONT></P></TD></TR>
> <TR>
> <TD height=16 width="37%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>cost/lb</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>$1.00</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>$0.29</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>$0.39</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>$0.55</FONT></FONT></P></TD></TR>
> <TR>
> <TD height=16 width="37%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>btu/tank</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>420000</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%">
> <P></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%">
> <P></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%">
> <P></P></TD></TR>
> <TR>
> <TD height=16 width="37%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>btu/lb</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>21000</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>9000</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>9000</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>9000</FONT></FONT></P></TD></TR>
> <TR>
> <TD height=16 width="37%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>cost/10,000 BTU</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>$0.48</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>$0.33</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>$0.43</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>$0.61</FONT></FONT></P></TD></TR>
> <TR>
> <TD height=16 width="37%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>Comparison to Propane</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>100.00%</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>68.31%</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>90.09%</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>128.33%</FONT></FONT></P></TD></TR>
> <TR>
> <TD height=16 width="37%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>Fuel Cost per 5 hours</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>$2.38</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>$1.63</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>$2.15</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>$3.06</FONT></FONT></P></TD></TR>
> <TR>
> <TD height=16 width="37%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
> <P align=right>Fuel Cost per 10 hours</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2 face=Arial>
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this. As the ultimate tightwad I'm always looking for the least =
expensive way to accomplish something comparable. I just put together =
figures showing cost of fuel comparisons of different charcoals versus =
propane. It's a bit disconcerting that the cost of fuel can exceed the =
cost of food at times. I'm doing 5 lb of pork shoulder with lump =
charcoal and the cost of pork was $.99/lb.

Fuel Cost Comparison
propane
Walmart "choice" charcoal
Trader Joe's Charcoal
"Lump" Charcoal
=20
cost
$20.00
$5.27
$6.95
varies
=20
weight
20
18
18
varies
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cost/lb
$1.00
$0.29
$0.39
$0.55
=20
btu/tank
420000
=20
=20
=20
=20
btu/lb
21000
9000
9000
9000
=20
cost/10,000 BTU
$0.48
$0.33
$0.43
$0.61
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Comparison to Propane
100.00%
68.31%
90.09%
128.33%
=20
Fuel Cost per 5 hours
$2.38
$1.63
$2.15
$3.06
=20
Fuel Cost per 10 hours
$4.76
$3.25
$4.29
$6.11
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and as we know it's not. I'm also assuming 10,000 BTU per hour, which is =
variable, based on cooking temp, and the size of the cooking unit. I've =
been unable to find anything about the ingredients of the Sam's Walmart =
charcoal, and the Trader Joe's charcoall is claimed to be 100% hardwood =
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<P align=3Dright>$20.00</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
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<P align=3Dright>$5.27</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
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<P align=3Dright>$6.95</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
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size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P align=3Dright>varies</FONT></FONT></P></TD></TR>
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<TD height=3D16 width=3D"37%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
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<TD height=3D16 width=3D"16%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P align=3Dright>varies</FONT></FONT></P></TD></TR>
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size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P align=3Dright>cost/lb</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
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<P align=3Dright>$1.00</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
<TD height=3D16 width=3D"16%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
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<P align=3Dright>$0.29</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
<TD height=3D16 width=3D"16%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P align=3Dright>$0.39</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
<TD height=3D16 width=3D"16%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P align=3Dright>$0.55</FONT></FONT></P></TD></TR>
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<TD height=3D16 width=3D"37%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P align=3Dright>btu/tank</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
<TD height=3D16 width=3D"16%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
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<P align=3Dright>420000</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
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<TD height=3D16 width=3D"16%">
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size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P align=3Dright>btu/lb</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
<TD height=3D16 width=3D"16%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P align=3Dright>21000</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
<TD height=3D16 width=3D"16%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
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<P align=3Dright>9000</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
<TD height=3D16 width=3D"16%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
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<P align=3Dright>9000</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
<TD height=3D16 width=3D"16%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P align=3Dright>9000</FONT></FONT></P></TD></TR>
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<TD height=3D16 width=3D"37%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
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<P align=3Dright>cost/10,000 BTU</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
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size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P align=3Dright>$0.48</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
<TD height=3D16 width=3D"16%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P align=3Dright>$0.33</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
<TD height=3D16 width=3D"16%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P align=3Dright>$0.43</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
<TD height=3D16 width=3D"16%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P align=3Dright>$0.61</FONT></FONT></P></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD height=3D16 width=3D"37%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P align=3Dright>Comparison to Propane</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
<TD height=3D16 width=3D"16%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P align=3Dright>100.00%</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
<TD height=3D16 width=3D"16%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P align=3Dright>68.31%</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
<TD height=3D16 width=3D"16%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P align=3Dright>90.09%</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
<TD height=3D16 width=3D"16%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P align=3Dright>128.33%</FONT></FONT></P></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD height=3D16 width=3D"37%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P align=3Dright>Fuel Cost per 5 hours</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
<TD height=3D16 width=3D"16%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P align=3Dright>$2.38</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
<TD height=3D16 width=3D"16%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P align=3Dright>$1.63</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
<TD height=3D16 width=3D"16%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P align=3Dright>$2.15</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
<TD height=3D16 width=3D"16%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P align=3Dright>$3.06</FONT></FONT></P></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD height=3D16 width=3D"37%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P align=3Dright>Fuel Cost per 10 hours</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
<TD height=3D16 width=3D"16%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P align=3Dright>$4.76</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
<TD height=3D16 width=3D"16%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P align=3Dright>$3.25</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
<TD height=3D16 width=3D"16%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P align=3Dright>$4.29</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
<TD height=3D16 width=3D"16%"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><FONT =
size=3D2 face=3DArial>
<P =
align=3Dright>$6.11</FONT></FONT></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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based on cooking temp, and the size of the cooking unit. I've been =
unable to=20
find anything about the ingredients of the Sam's Walmart charcoal, and =
the=20
Trader Joe's charcoall is claimed to be 100% hardwood plus cornstarch to =
bind=20
and lump is wood.<BR>Your thoughts??<BR><BR>Ed</DIV></BODY></HTML>

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> You know that this is a text based format, but ignore it anyway. You, sir,
> are an ass.


RTF *is* a text format. It is not like posting binaries in a text group.


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Mark Thorson wrote:
>> Theron wrote:
>>
>> I'm assuming that the BTU per pound of different charcoals is the
>> same, and as we know it's not. I'm also assuming 10,000 BTU per hour,
>> which is variable, based on cooking temp, and the size of the cooking
>> unit. I've been unable to find anything about the ingredients of the
>> Sam's Walmart charcoal, and the Trader Joe's charcoall is claimed to
>> be 100% hardwood plus cornstarch to bind and lump is wood.
>> Your thoughts??

>
> Don't forget the waste with lump charcoal.
> When I used to buy Mexican mesquite charcoal
> at Smart & Final, a lot of it -- maybe a
> quarter or even a third of the whole sack
> consisted of chips too small to use.


Not to mention the wasted heat. When you cook with charcoal you have to
get it going and wait until the coals are all nice and hot. Then when
you are finished grilling you have all that unburned charcoal that you
have to douse or just let die out. Either way, it's gone. My propane
grill heats up in a few minutes, and as soon as I am finished cooking I
turn it off.


$20 for a tank of propane?? I only pay $13 and some place charge $15.
For $22 can take in an old tank and exchange it for a newer full tank.
Cost comparisons have little credibility when they inflate the prices
like that.
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Pete C. wrote:
> Dave Bugg wrote:
>>
>> You know that this is a text based format, but ignore it anyway.
>> You, sir, are an ass.

>
> RTF *is* a text format. It is not like posting binaries in a text
> group.


It uses large amounts of html. It is not used in usenet NGs

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Theron wrote:

I didn't even notice that this was cross-posted, Sorry. Please, everyone,
delete the crossposting before replying

You are a shithead, Kent.
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In article >,
"Dave Bugg" > wrote:

> Pete C. wrote:
> > Dave Bugg wrote:
> >>
> >> You know that this is a text based format, but ignore it anyway.
> >> You, sir, are an ass.

> >
> > RTF *is* a text format. It is not like posting binaries in a text
> > group.

>
> It uses large amounts of html. It is not used in usenet NGs


RTF does not use HTML. RTF is not used in usenet NGs.

Ed's original post was displayed in plain text in my newsreader on my
computer. When you quoted his post, there were two copies, the first in
plain text, the next in HTML.

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In article >,
"Dave Bugg" > wrote:

> Theron wrote:
>
> I didn't even notice that this was cross-posted, Sorry. Please, everyone,
> delete the crossposting before replying


I didn't notice, either. Still, since I am not subscribed to afb, do I
delete that one? It seems to have more to do with barbeque, though, so
are you suggesting deleting rfc?

Either way, I spend money on charcoal, especially since my younger son,
when he is home, likes to BBQ/smoke/grill. I'm interested in this post.

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Dan Abel wrote:
>
> In article >,
> "Dave Bugg" > wrote:
>
> > Theron wrote:
> >
> > I didn't even notice that this was cross-posted, Sorry. Please, everyone,
> > delete the crossposting before replying

>
> I didn't notice, either. Still, since I am not subscribed to afb, do I
> delete that one? It seems to have more to do with barbeque, though, so
> are you suggesting deleting rfc?
>
> Either way, I spend money on charcoal, especially since my younger son,
> when he is home, likes to BBQ/smoke/grill. I'm interested in this post.
>


Yes, it's crossposted, but within accepted norms, i.e. three groups or
less (only two here), and relevant groups (cooking in general and
barbecue specific).

Personally, I'll worry about cooking fuel costs when they amount to more
than a decimal percentage of my income.
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Victor Sack wrote:
>
> Theron > wrote:
>
> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >
> > ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01CA442F.B5225C00
> > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > charset="iso-8859-1"
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> >
> > This, in rich text format.

>
> No, it is not. It is in the bloody HTML format and it is not supposed
> to be posted to Usenet unless your aim is to be killfiled. Look at all
> the junk above and below!
>
> Victor


Folks, this is the year 2009, and October no less, nearly 2010. The days
of 2400 baud or less modems and using USENET shorthand to minimize
bandwidth usage are long over. Even folks still stick on dialup are
getting 36kbps or better connections generally.

The post in question was not a megabyte sized binary posted to a text
group, it was an HTML formatted text message, with the HTML formatting
helping to present a properly ordered chart. The folks complaining about
an HTML post need to get with the 21st century as this complaining is
akin to complaining about someone writing a message in ink on paper vs.
chiseling a stone tablet.
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"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
>
> Either way, I spend money on charcoal, especially since my younger son,
> when he is home, likes to BBQ/smoke/grill. I'm interested in this post.
>


It would be of more value if the assumptions were correct. Some are not.


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"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
>
> $20 for a tank of propane?? I only pay $13 and some place charge $15. For
> $22 can take in an old tank and exchange it for a newer full tank. Cost
> comparisons have little credibility when they inflate the prices like
> that.


I pay about $17 for a tank of propane, and I'm on my second tank since late
spring. I do a lot of cooking on the grill, and while I didn't own one last
winter, I'm sure this winter I'll still keep cooking on it. So, if I have
to refill the tank at $17 4 times a year, I have to figure out what I'm
saving over using the electricity that powers my stove, micro, oven, crock
pot. I actually can measure that now with the TED thing I installed. I
just need to collect more data to analyze.

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"Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
...
> Pete C. wrote:
>> Dave Bugg wrote:
>>>
>>> You know that this is a text based format, but ignore it anyway.
>>> You, sir, are an ass.

>>
>> RTF *is* a text format. It is not like posting binaries in a text
>> group.

>
> It uses large amounts of html. It is not used in usenet NGs
>


Give him a break, guys. He needed an easy way to post a table. You can't
do that with plain text.



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"Pete C." > wrote in message
ter.com...
>
> Dan Abel wrote:
>>
>> In article >,
>> "Dave Bugg" > wrote:
>>
>> > Theron wrote:
>> >
>> > I didn't even notice that this was cross-posted, Sorry. Please,
>> > everyone,
>> > delete the crossposting before replying

>>
>> I didn't notice, either. Still, since I am not subscribed to afb, do I
>> delete that one? It seems to have more to do with barbeque, though, so
>> are you suggesting deleting rfc?
>>
>> Either way, I spend money on charcoal, especially since my younger son,
>> when he is home, likes to BBQ/smoke/grill. I'm interested in this post.
>>

>
> Yes, it's crossposted, but within accepted norms, i.e. three groups or
> less (only two here), and relevant groups (cooking in general and
> barbecue specific).
>
> Personally, I'll worry about cooking fuel costs when they amount to more
> than a decimal percentage of my income.


Every penny adds up. I'm thinking the same way -- how to cut out the
pennies. Even if it means what ciggarettes can I cut out while I'm trying
to quit. 2 or 3 smokes during my commute to work? Driving is boring and a
hard time to think about not smoking yet another ciggerette. I also now
turn off the TV if I'm not watching it. I usually leave it on for noise but
if I'm on the computer, or studying, I'm not paying attention to the TV.
Good time to turn it off.

Many other ways to save a penny here, a penny there ... and they add up to
dollars off your energy bill, and less energy consumption in the community.

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Cheryl wrote:
> "Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Pete C. wrote:
>>> Dave Bugg wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You know that this is a text based format, but ignore it anyway.
>>>> You, sir, are an ass.
>>>
>>> RTF *is* a text format. It is not like posting binaries in a text
>>> group.

>>
>> It uses large amounts of html. It is not used in usenet NGs
>>

>
> Give him a break, guys. He needed an easy way to post a table. You
> can't do that with plain text.


Yet one can post a url to the site of a table or chart or nekkid panda
bears. Kent is an ass.

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"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Pete C. wrote:
>>> Dave Bugg wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You know that this is a text based format, but ignore it anyway.
>>>> You, sir, are an ass.
>>>
>>> RTF *is* a text format. It is not like posting binaries in a text
>>> group.

>>
>> It uses large amounts of html. It is not used in usenet NGs
>>

>
> Give him a break, guys. He needed an easy way to post a table. You can't
> do that with plain text.


Sure you can, but it takes more time
cost 20.00 5.27 6.95 varies
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Pete C. > wrote:

> Victor Sack wrote:
> >
> > Theron > wrote:
> >
> > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > >
> > > ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01CA442F.B5225C00
> > > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > > charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> > >
> > > This, in rich text format.

> >
> > No, it is not. It is in the bloody HTML format and it is not supposed
> > to be posted to Usenet unless your aim is to be killfiled. Look at all
> > the junk above and below!

>
> Folks, this is the year 2009, and October no less, nearly 2010. The days
> of 2400 baud or less modems and using USENET shorthand to minimize
> bandwidth usage are long over. Even folks still stick on dialup are
> getting 36kbps or better connections generally.


Need help?
Seeing as you are using an ancient Netscape browser, designed, as all
browsers are, for reading HTML-composed Web pages, with Usenet
newsgroups being but an afterthought, I'd inform you that this has
absolutely nothing at all to do with bandwidth. It has nothing to do
with formatting charts, either. It has to do with the totally
unnecessary HTML garbage - and charts can be perfectly formatted in
plain text.

The current policy of most every non-binary Big-8 newsgroup is still
plain text only, which is reflected even in the most current guidelines,
such as the latest USEFOR draft, as in sections 3.1.2.2., 3.3.3.1., and
7.3.

<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-usefor-useage-01>

A question I often like to ask: If garbage is dumped at you from a
height, is it something you deal with by opening an umbrella?

This is Usenet. If you want another venue, with other standards and
protocols, you are free to go there. If you want to reform Usenet
format, you are free to apply to form a new USEFOR workgroup to do that,
too.

Victor
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On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 00:56:01 -0400, "Cheryl" >
wrote:

>
>"Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
m...
>> Pete C. wrote:
>>> Dave Bugg wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You know that this is a text based format, but ignore it anyway.
>>>> You, sir, are an ass.
>>>
>>> RTF *is* a text format. It is not like posting binaries in a text
>>> group.

>>
>> It uses large amounts of html. It is not used in usenet NGs
>>

>
>Give him a break, guys. He needed an easy way to post a table. You can't
>do that with plain text.


This is all nonsense. This same crap was posted not long ago. It
showed the same things. Not much of a difference.

BBQ and grilling is about quality. Some do better with propane, others
lump. it matters not the few cents saved. People will go with what
works for them.

Give him a break? No. He knows what he is doing, how to do it better,
and what form will get the biggest rise out of the regulars.

It's all a bunch of horse pucks.



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Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:01:08 -0700, Dan Abel wrote:
>
>> Ed's original post was displayed in plain text in my newsreader on my
>> computer. When you quoted his post, there were two copies, the
>> first in plain text, the next in HTML.

>
> It was posted in both HTML and in plain text. Many newsreaders will
> default to the first format in the message, which was text in this
> case.


I only saw it in text. If someone saw it in HTML maybe they need
a better newsreader. Heh.

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Victor Sack wrote:
>
> Pete C. > wrote:
>
> > Victor Sack wrote:
> > >
> > > Theron > wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > > >
> > > > ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01CA442F.B5225C00
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain;
> > > > charset="iso-8859-1"
> > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> > > >
> > > > This, in rich text format.
> > >
> > > No, it is not. It is in the bloody HTML format and it is not supposed
> > > to be posted to Usenet unless your aim is to be killfiled. Look at all
> > > the junk above and below!

> >
> > Folks, this is the year 2009, and October no less, nearly 2010. The days
> > of 2400 baud or less modems and using USENET shorthand to minimize
> > bandwidth usage are long over. Even folks still stick on dialup are
> > getting 36kbps or better connections generally.

>
> Need help?


No, but apparently you do, Mr OCD.

> Seeing as you are using an ancient Netscape browser


Yes ancient, yes *newsreader*, browser is separate. Indeed I still use
this ancient *newsreader* since it performs *better* than a number of
new ones I've tried.

You need to evolve ludite. Perhaps since you clearly have too much time
on your hands, you can spend some time working against spam, not valid
posts.
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Theron wrote:
> This, in rich text format. I know you're more or less not supposed to do this. As the ultimate tightwad I'm always looking for the least expensive way to accomplish something comparable. I just put together figures showing cost of fuel comparisons of different charcoals versus propane. It's a bit disconcerting that the cost of fuel can exceed the cost of food at times. I'm doing 5 lb of pork shoulder with lump charcoal and the cost of pork was $.99/lb.
>
> Fuel Cost Comparison
> propane
> Walmart "choice" charcoal
> Trader Joe's Charcoal
> "Lump" Charcoal
>
> cost
> $20.00
> $5.27
> $6.95
> varies
>

You might look for a better propane supplier. Sounds like you are paying
big box megamart we are your friend prices. Typically the local propane
suppliers sell a refill for half (around here $9.95). The only drawback
is they aren't open at 3 AM.
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George wrote:
> Theron wrote:


>> Fuel Cost Comparison
>> propane
>> Walmart "choice" charcoal
>> Trader Joe's Charcoal
>> "Lump" Charcoal
>>
>> cost
>> $20.00
>> $5.27
>> $6.95
>> varies
>>

> You might look for a better propane supplier. Sounds like you are
> paying big box megamart we are your friend prices. Typically the
> local propane suppliers sell a refill for half (around here $9.95).
> The only drawback is they aren't open at 3 AM.


It's $16 to $20 where I live, too. This is from local fuel places.
The price has gone up over the years, like anything else, it hasn't
been $9 for a long time now. One of those things that varies
widely by region, I guess.

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On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 09:18:34 -0500, Pete C. wrote:

> Victor Sack wrote:
>>
>> Pete C. > wrote:
>>
>>> Victor Sack wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Theron > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>>> > >
>>> > > ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01CA442F.B5225C00
>>> > > Content-Type: text/plain;
>>> > > charset="iso-8859-1"
>>> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>> > >
>>> > > This, in rich text format.
>>> >
>>> > No, it is not. It is in the bloody HTML format and it is not supposed
>>> > to be posted to Usenet unless your aim is to be killfiled. Look at all
>>> > the junk above and below!
>>>
>>> Folks, this is the year 2009, and October no less, nearly 2010. The days
>>> of 2400 baud or less modems and using USENET shorthand to minimize
>>> bandwidth usage are long over. Even folks still stick on dialup are
>>> getting 36kbps or better connections generally.

>>
>> Need help?

>
> No, but apparently you do, Mr OCD.
>
>> Seeing as you are using an ancient Netscape browser

>
> Yes ancient, yes *newsreader*, browser is separate. Indeed I still use
> this ancient *newsreader* since it performs *better* than a number of
> new ones I've tried.
>
> You need to evolve ludite. Perhaps since you clearly have too much time
> on your hands, you can spend some time working against spam, not valid
> posts.


usenet is text, except for explicitly binary groups. i don't know that
it's worth getting upset about, but i wouldn't argue that there's nothing
wrong with posting HTML.

your pal,
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"Cheryl" > wrote:

> "Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Pete C. wrote:
> >> Dave Bugg wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You know that this is a text based format, but ignore it anyway.
> >>> You, sir, are an ass.
> >>
> >> RTF *is* a text format. It is not like posting binaries in a text
> >> group.

> >
> > It uses large amounts of html. It is not used in usenet NGs
> >

>
> Give him a break, guys. He needed an easy way to post a table. You can't
> do that with plain text.


Looked fine in plain text to me. Of course, that is exactly the reason
(tables and ASCII art) that I use a non-proportional font for
newsgroups. And my newsreader doesn't do HTML, so the table was
unreadable in HTML.

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"Nancy Young" > wrote in
on Oct Sun 2009 09:35 am

> George wrote:
>> Theron wrote:

>
>>> Fuel Cost Comparison propane
>>> Walmart "choice" charcoal
>>> Trader Joe's Charcoal
>>> "Lump" Charcoal
>>>
>>> cost
>>> $20.00
>>> $5.27
>>> $6.95
>>> varies
>>>

>> You might look for a better propane supplier. Sounds like you are
>> paying big box megamart we are your friend prices. Typically the
>> local propane suppliers sell a refill for half (around here $9.95).
>> The only drawback is they aren't open at 3 AM.

>
> It's $16 to $20 where I live, too. This is from local fuel places.
> The price has gone up over the years, like anything else, it hasn't
> been $9 for a long time now. One of those things that varies
> widely by region, I guess.
>
> nancy
>


If I buy 5 or 6 bucks of charcoal. It'll allow me to BBQ once maybe
twice say 2 meals or usuages. If I spend $20 on propane I can get maybe
2 weeks out BBQing everynight say 14 meals. Depending on if I grill or
BBQ. If I grill 20 bucks of propane does me for at least a month or so.
Rarely do I fill a tank more than twice in a summer. Up here 5 or 6
bucks get you a small bag of charcoal (5 poundish). And 17-20 bucks gets
you a (I think it is a 15 or 20 lb tank) of propane.

The thing is with chrarcoal once you light it you use it till it goes
out, which is usually say at least a 1/2 hour or more after the meal is
done so there is fuel wastage. Plus a safety hazard (burning coals) and
a ash mess to deal with. With propane once your finished cooking you
turns it off allowing for fuel savings,a little safety hazard (propane
tank issues) and only the grill to clean.

With Charcoal you do get some added flavour from the burning
bricquettes. So it can be more flavourful. With propane you gets a
faster easier and cleaner fuel. I like the charcoal taste but I am lazy
and go for propane 9 times outa 10. I don't enjoy the charcoal
blackening of my hands or the black dust on my clothes.

Except for lump there is a coal component in the bricquettes... so if
you're GREEN it is a BAD thing. As in coal burning electrical generating
stations causing smog and acid rain plus the coal pit mines bad. Your
standard backyard charcoal grill isn't equiped with anti-polution
scrubbers.

Sure your charcoal grill ain't in the same league as coal power
stations, but there's a large mess more charcoal grill than power
stations so they could account for say .0002% or so polution.

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On Oct 4, 6:26*am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
> > On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:01:08 -0700, Dan Abel wrote:


>
> I only saw it in text. *If someone saw it in HTML maybe they need
> a better newsreader. *Heh.
>

Why do so many folks want to blame the reader for what the sender
does?


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hahabogus wrote:


> If I buy 5 or 6 bucks of charcoal. It'll allow me to BBQ once maybe
> twice say 2 meals or usuages. If I spend $20 on propane I can get maybe
> 2 weeks out BBQing everynight say 14 meals. Depending on if I grill or
> BBQ. If I grill 20 bucks of propane does me for at least a month or so.
> Rarely do I fill a tank more than twice in a summer. Up here 5 or 6
> bucks get you a small bag of charcoal (5 poundish). And 17-20 bucks gets
> you a (I think it is a 15 or 20 lb tank) of propane.


I use my gas grill almost every night from May through to October and
use 2-3 tanks.


> With Charcoal you do get some added flavour from the burning
> bricquettes. So it can be more flavourful. With propane you gets a
> faster easier and cleaner fuel. I like the charcoal taste but I am lazy
> and go for propane 9 times outa 10. I don't enjoy the charcoal
> blackening of my hands or the black dust on my clothes.


I am with you there. You can add a little smoke with a gas grill.
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Duwop wrote:
> On Oct 4, 6:26 am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:01:08 -0700, Dan Abel wrote:

>
>>
>> I only saw it in text. If someone saw it in HTML maybe they need
>> a better newsreader. Heh.
>>

> Why do so many folks want to blame the reader for what the sender
> does?


Actually I was just being a nudge, but what was posted doesn't bother
me either. Seems like people should be able to change their settings
if they don't want to see HTML.

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> Actually I was just being a nudge, but what was posted doesn't
> bother me either. Seems like people should be able to change
> their settings if they don't want to see HTML.
>
> nancy


Wouldn't that be like putting blinders on?

Ignoring the 250+ lines of text?

There awas a bunch of...
<TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2
face=Arial>
<P align=right>$4.76</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
<TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2
face=Arial>
<P align=right>$3.25</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
<TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2
face=Arial>
<P align=right>$4.29</FONT></FONT></P></TD>
<TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2
face=Arial>
<P
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hahabogus wrote:
>
> If I buy 5 or 6 bucks of charcoal. It'll allow me to BBQ once maybe
> twice say 2 meals or usuages.


If I buy that charcoal, it generally translated into one all day smoking
session with a fully loaded smoker followed by portioning, vacuum
bagging and freezing the excess for future use.

> If I spend $20 on propane I can get maybe
> 2 weeks out BBQing everynight say 14 meals. Depending on if I grill or
> BBQ. If I grill 20 bucks of propane does me for at least a month or so.
> Rarely do I fill a tank more than twice in a summer. Up here 5 or 6
> bucks get you a small bag of charcoal (5 poundish). And 17-20 bucks gets
> you a (I think it is a 15 or 20 lb tank) of propane.


I haven't used an LP grill in quite some time. My kitchen cooktop is LP
however (only LP in the house) and a 20# tank lasts me a good 8 months.

>
> The thing is with chrarcoal once you light it you use it till it goes
> out, which is usually say at least a 1/2 hour or more after the meal is
> done so there is fuel wastage.


That depends on how well you manage the charcoal. If you maintain a
physically small burn pile and add to it frequently, there is little
overburn when the food is done. If you have a good smoker, you can also
smother the remaining charcoal at the end of the cook and save the rest
for the start of the next cook.

> Plus a safety hazard (burning coals)


If you have any reasonable charcoal cooking appliance, there is no
safety hazard.

> and
> a ash mess to deal with.


I just dump my ashes into the woods before I start the next smoker run
so there is minimal fuss.

> With propane once your finished cooking you
> turns it off allowing for fuel savings,a little safety hazard (propane
> tank issues)


Tell that to all the folks who have LP explosions each year.

> and only the grill to clean.


A pressure washer works nicely for cleaning the grills and the smoker
itself.

>
> With Charcoal you do get some added flavour from the burning
> bricquettes. So it can be more flavourful. With propane you gets a
> faster easier and cleaner fuel. I like the charcoal taste but I am lazy
> and go for propane 9 times outa 10. I don't enjoy the charcoal
> blackening of my hands or the black dust on my clothes.


Not much of an issue for me. Charcoal dust washes off very easily.

>
> Except for lump there is a coal component in the bricquettes... so if
> you're GREEN it is a BAD thing. As in coal burning electrical generating
> stations causing smog and acid rain plus the coal pit mines bad. Your
> standard backyard charcoal grill isn't equiped with anti-polution
> scrubbers.
>
> Sure your charcoal grill ain't in the same league as coal power
> stations, but there's a large mess more charcoal grill than power
> stations so they could account for say .0002% or so polution.


I generally use only lump, unless I am out and can't find lump right
away. Lump is of course solar energy (captured by plants), so it's as
green and carbon neutral as you can get.
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sandi wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in
>
>> Actually I was just being a nudge, but what was posted doesn't
>> bother me either. Seems like people should be able to change
>> their settings if they don't want to see HTML.
>>
>> nancy

>
> Wouldn't that be like putting blinders on?


I guess I've learned to ignore that enough that I wouldn't
be aggravated enough to complain bitterly or anything.
HTML posts used to seize up my connection, before I learned
I could change settings. This stuff I can't get excited about.

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sandi wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in
>
>> Actually I was just being a nudge, but what was posted doesn't
>> bother me either. Seems like people should be able to change
>> their settings if they don't want to see HTML.


> Wouldn't that be like putting blinders on?
>
> Ignoring the 250+ lines of text?
>
> There awas a bunch of...
> <TD height=16 width="16%"><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=2
> face=Arial>


Oh, and I didn't see that, either. It looked fine to me.

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"Pete C." schrieb :
>
> Victor Sack wrote:
>>
>> Pete C. > wrote:
>>
>> > Victor Sack wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Theron > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>> > > >
>> > > > ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01CA442F.B5225C00
>> > > > Content-Type: text/plain;
>> > > > charset="iso-8859-1"
>> > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>> > > >
>> > > > This, in rich text format.
>> > >
>> > > No, it is not. It is in the bloody HTML format and it is not
>> > > supposed
>> > > to be posted to Usenet unless your aim is to be killfiled. Look at
>> > > all
>> > > the junk above and below!
>> >
>> > Folks, this is the year 2009, and October no less, nearly 2010. The
>> > days
>> > of 2400 baud or less modems and using USENET shorthand to minimize
>> > bandwidth usage are long over. Even folks still stick on dialup are
>> > getting 36kbps or better connections generally.

>>
>> Need help?

>
> No, but apparently you do, Mr OCD.
>

USENET is text. **** off if you don't like it.

>> Seeing as you are using an ancient Netscape browser

>
> Yes ancient, yes *newsreader*, browser is separate. Indeed I still use
> this ancient *newsreader* since it performs *better* than a number of
> new ones I've tried.
>

Yeah, tried but not understood.

> You need to evolve ludite. Perhaps since you clearly have too much time
> on your hands, you can spend some time working against spam, not valid
> posts.


**** off to yahoo groups or a blog - forum, you incredibly modern person.
There you can have your html or xml with blinking text and animated smileys.
Don't bother with us primitive cave-men ! An animated smiley is worth a
thousand words, after all.
Don't let the door hit your ass on your way out.

Bye !








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In article >,
Sqwertz > wrote:

> On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 08:40:52 -0700, Dan Abel wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > "Cheryl" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Dave Bugg" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> Pete C. wrote:
> >>>> Dave Bugg wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You know that this is a text based format, but ignore it anyway.
> >>>>> You, sir, are an ass.
> >>>>
> >>>> RTF *is* a text format. It is not like posting binaries in a text
> >>>> group.
> >>>
> >>> It uses large amounts of html. It is not used in usenet NGs
> >>>
> >>
> >> Give him a break, guys. He needed an easy way to post a table. You can't
> >> do that with plain text.

> >
> > Looked fine in plain text to me.

>
> Everything shows up in one column. If you didn't see it that way,
> then it was the RTF you were looking at.


You make a good point. I didn't see a table. I still found it easy to
read, probably because there were only four items.

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Michael Kuettner wrote:
>
> "Pete C." schrieb :
> >
> > Victor Sack wrote:
> >>
> >> Pete C. > wrote:
> >>
> >> > Victor Sack wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Theron > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01CA442F.B5225C00
> >> > > > Content-Type: text/plain;
> >> > > > charset="iso-8859-1"
> >> > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> >> > > >
> >> > > > This, in rich text format.
> >> > >
> >> > > No, it is not. It is in the bloody HTML format and it is not
> >> > > supposed
> >> > > to be posted to Usenet unless your aim is to be killfiled. Look at
> >> > > all
> >> > > the junk above and below!
> >> >
> >> > Folks, this is the year 2009, and October no less, nearly 2010. The
> >> > days
> >> > of 2400 baud or less modems and using USENET shorthand to minimize
> >> > bandwidth usage are long over. Even folks still stick on dialup are
> >> > getting 36kbps or better connections generally.
> >>
> >> Need help?

> >
> > No, but apparently you do, Mr OCD.
> >

> USENET is text. **** off if you don't like it.


RTF = "Rich Text Format"
HTML = "Hyper Text Markup Language"

**** off if you can't comprehend "Text".

>
> >> Seeing as you are using an ancient Netscape browser

> >
> > Yes ancient, yes *newsreader*, browser is separate. Indeed I still use
> > this ancient *newsreader* since it performs *better* than a number of
> > new ones I've tried.
> >

> Yeah, tried but not understood.


Exactly what did I not understand in Xnews, Agent, Thunderbird, etc.? I
tried them and I didn't like them, simple as that.

>
> > You need to evolve ludite. Perhaps since you clearly have too much time
> > on your hands, you can spend some time working against spam, not valid
> > posts.

>
> **** off to yahoo groups or a blog - forum, you incredibly modern person.
> There you can have your html or xml with blinking text and animated smileys.
> Don't bother with us primitive cave-men ! An animated smiley is worth a
> thousand words, after all.
> Don't let the door hit your ass on your way out.
>
> Bye !


Sorry dippy-do, you'll have to figure out how to operate your newsreader
filters as I'm not going anywhere.
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In article . com>,
"Pete C." > wrote:


> RTF = "Rich Text Format"
> HTML = "Hyper Text Markup Language"
>
> **** off if you can't comprehend "Text".


Both RTF and HTML have embedded text, which is the actual information.
The rest is all formatting. A skilled writer can make the embedded text
easy to read, unlike a .doc file, which only a machine can read, as it
is in binary. However, most RTF and HTML are now machine-generated, and
are very difficult for people to read when read as plain text.

As newsgroups are intended mostly for plain text, and most newsreaders
don't interpret RTF or HTML, they are frowned upon in messages.

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Nancy Young wrote:
> George wrote:
>> Theron wrote:

>
>>> Fuel Cost Comparison
>>> propane
>>> Walmart "choice" charcoal
>>> Trader Joe's Charcoal
>>> "Lump" Charcoal
>>>
>>> cost
>>> $20.00
>>> $5.27
>>> $6.95
>>> varies
>>>

>> You might look for a better propane supplier. Sounds like you are
>> paying big box megamart we are your friend prices. Typically the
>> local propane suppliers sell a refill for half (around here $9.95).
>> The only drawback is they aren't open at 3 AM.

>
> It's $16 to $20 where I live, too. This is from local fuel places.
> The price has gone up over the years, like anything else, it hasn't
> been $9 for a long time now. One of those things that varies
> widely by region, I guess.
> nancy


A lot of those are just resellers that have a small tank and pump just
to fill grill tanks. The local mom & pop place is actually a good size
outfit. I can also spend up to $24 here. $9.95 is their current price
and they actually completely fill your tank. Some brands that a lot of
the megamarts sell actually intentionally short fill the tank. When it
got a lot of publicity they simply explained they didn't want to raise
the price! Short fill is a price increase.

http://www.whtm.com/news/stories/0509/626366.html


The local place recently parked a large truck trailer near the property
with an eye catching paint job proclaiming tank refills for $9.95.

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Nancy Young wrote:
> sandi wrote:
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in
>>
>>> Actually I was just being a nudge, but what was posted doesn't
>>> bother me either. Seems like people should be able to change
>>> their settings if they don't want to see HTML.
>>>
>>> nancy

>>
>> Wouldn't that be like putting blinders on?

>
> I guess I've learned to ignore that enough that I wouldn't
> be aggravated enough to complain bitterly or anything.
> HTML posts used to seize up my connection, before I learned
> I could change settings. This stuff I can't get excited about.


It isn't just the format, it's the idiot who posted. Theron (Kent) is not
well like where he hangs out in alt.food.barbecue due to his tedious nature
and perpetual re-asking of the same crap he asked years ago....sometimes
many, many times. He will 'debate' the equivalent nonsense of 'how many
angels dance on the head of a pin?', having raised the question himself.
This latest 'Kent Tidbit/poll' is just the latest example: it was nonsense
because people chose a fuel to cook with based on far more than
cost.....unles you are running a restaurant or bakery or other commercial
venture. The primary issues are convenience, usability, and in the case of
wood or charcoal, added flavor.

Kent does this all the time in AFB. Now he is cross-posting so he can drag
two groups in on his illness. Kent is like Andy on steroids.

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