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Hi guys,

Well, our liquor license was approved and, after the final inspection the
end of the month, the Village Vintner should be ready to open for business.
Whoooo hoooo!

I've recently heard from a couple of hobbyists that they use screw-tops
rather than corks, saying that the cork has absolutely no effect on the
wine. This goes against everything I've believed, but then I've never looked
into it to confirm my assumptions. Is it like the Ford vs Chevy (or Apple vs
PC) debates? Does it really matter? We've decided to offer both options to
our customers, but I'd like to know which to recommend for whom, and why.

What do the experts say? By "experts," of course I mean you guys.

Tia,

Waterspider

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Waterspider wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> Well, our liquor license was approved and, after the final inspection the
> end of the month, the Village Vintner should be ready to open for
> business. Whoooo hoooo!
>
> I've recently heard from a couple of hobbyists that they use screw-tops
> rather than corks, saying that the cork has absolutely no effect on the
> wine. This goes against everything I've believed, but then I've never
> looked into it to confirm my assumptions. Is it like the Ford vs Chevy (or
> Apple vs PC) debates? Does it really matter? We've decided to offer both
> options to our customers, but I'd like to know which to recommend for
> whom, and why.
>
> What do the experts say? By "experts," of course I mean you guys.
>
> Tia,
>
> Waterspider
>
> ------------------------------
> Visit www.penderharbour.org
> ------------------------------


If you use screw-tops, you need to invest a fair amount of money to get
started. If you are afraid of cork taint, there are a number of synthetic
corks on the market now that entirely eliminate this issue and you would
not have to invest in new equipment.
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"Paul E. Lehmann" > wrote in message
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> Waterspider wrote:
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> Well, our liquor license was approved and, after the final inspection the
>> end of the month, the Village Vintner should be ready to open for
>> business. Whoooo hoooo!
>>
>> I've recently heard from a couple of hobbyists that they use screw-tops
>> rather than corks, saying that the cork has absolutely no effect on the
>> wine. This goes against everything I've believed, but then I've never
>> looked into it to confirm my assumptions. Is it like the Ford vs Chevy
>> (or
>> Apple vs PC) debates? Does it really matter? We've decided to offer both
>> options to our customers, but I'd like to know which to recommend for
>> whom, and why.
>>
>> What do the experts say? By "experts," of course I mean you guys.
>>
>> Tia,
>>
>> Waterspider
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Visit www.penderharbour.org
>> ------------------------------

>
> If you use screw-tops, you need to invest a fair amount of money to get
> started. If you are afraid of cork taint, there are a number of synthetic
> corks on the market now that entirely eliminate this issue and you would
> not have to invest in new equipment.


So... no difference to the wine?
The way the license works, the customer must add the yeast and cork the
finished wine. Cork or screw-cap, they would do this manually. The caps and
bottles are more expensive, but what other equipment would be necessary?
Thanks for your tip about synthetic corks. Sounds like that's the way to go.


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Waterspider wrote:

>
> "Paul E. Lehmann" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Waterspider wrote:
>>
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> Well, our liquor license was approved and, after the final inspection
>>> the end of the month, the Village Vintner should be ready to open for
>>> business. Whoooo hoooo!
>>>
>>> I've recently heard from a couple of hobbyists that they use screw-tops
>>> rather than corks, saying that the cork has absolutely no effect on the
>>> wine. This goes against everything I've believed, but then I've never
>>> looked into it to confirm my assumptions. Is it like the Ford vs Chevy
>>> (or
>>> Apple vs PC) debates? Does it really matter? We've decided to offer both
>>> options to our customers, but I'd like to know which to recommend for
>>> whom, and why.
>>>
>>> What do the experts say? By "experts," of course I mean you guys.
>>>
>>> Tia,
>>>
>>> Waterspider
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Visit www.penderharbour.org
>>> ------------------------------

>>
>> If you use screw-tops, you need to invest a fair amount of money to get
>> started. If you are afraid of cork taint, there are a number of
>> synthetic corks on the market now that entirely eliminate this issue and
>> you would not have to invest in new equipment.

>
> So... no difference to the wine?


Depends on who you read. They are probably great for white wines and reds
that are not intended to age long but because they do create a more
airtight seal, there is the potential for reductive reactions to occur in
wines that can create horrible off orders.

> The way the license works, the customer must add the yeast and cork the
> finished wine. Cork or screw-cap, they would do this manually. The caps
> and bottles are more expensive, but what other equipment would be
> necessary? Thanks for your tip about synthetic corks. Sounds like that's
> the way to go.


Check out the equipment necessary for using Stelvin screw caps. It is not
merely just the case of simply screwing on a cap. I thought about them at
one time myself but after looking at what would be needed, forgot the idea.
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On Jan 18, 3:54*pm, "Paul E. Lehmann" >
wrote:
> Waterspider wrote:
>
> > "Paul E. Lehmann" > wrote in message
> m...
> >> Waterspider wrote:

>
> >>> Hi guys,

>
> >>> Well, our liquor license was approved and, after the final inspection
> >>> the end of the month, the Village Vintner should be ready to open for
> >>> business. Whoooo hoooo!

>
> >>> I've recently heard from a couple of hobbyists that they use screw-tops
> >>> rather than corks, saying that the cork has absolutely no effect on the
> >>> wine. This goes against everything I've believed, but then I've never
> >>> looked into it to confirm my assumptions. Is it like the Ford vs Chevy
> >>> (or
> >>> Apple vs PC) debates? Does it really matter? We've decided to offer both
> >>> options to our customers, but I'd like to know which to recommend for
> >>> whom, and why.

>
> >>> What do the experts say? By "experts," of course I mean you guys.

>
> >>> Tia,

>
> >>> Waterspider

>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>> Visitwww.penderharbour.org
> >>> ------------------------------

>
> >> If you use screw-tops, you need to invest a fair amount of money to get
> >> started. *If you are afraid of cork taint, there are a number of
> >> synthetic corks on the market now that entirely eliminate this issue and
> >> you would not have to invest in new equipment.

>
> > So... no difference to the wine?

>
> Depends on who you read. *They are probably great for white wines and reds
> that are not intended to age long but because they do create a more
> airtight seal, there is the potential for reductive reactions to occur in
> wines that can create horrible off orders.
>
> > The way the license works, the customer must add the yeast and cork the
> > finished wine. Cork or screw-cap, they would do this manually. The caps
> > and bottles are more expensive, but what other equipment would be
> > necessary? Thanks for your tip about synthetic corks. Sounds like that's
> > the way to go.

>
> Check out the equipment necessary for using Stelvin screw caps. *It is not
> merely just the case of simply screwing on a cap. *I thought about them at
> one time myself but after looking at what would be needed, forgot the idea.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


There is no way a small operation can afford Stelvin and the caps
available to hobbyists are not the same. If you want a quick seal and
to only buy one sort of bottle consider T tops, you can get a
synthethic or natural cork T top very inexpensively and could still
use either synthetic or natural corks. The best synthetic as I see it
is Nomacorc..

Zorks are also available now, it's a glass or plastic stopper with an
O ring. It's covered with a metal tamper seal commercially but that
is because Alcoa makes them...

Joe


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"Joe Sallustio" > wrote in message
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On Jan 18, 3:54 pm, "Paul E. Lehmann" >
wrote:
> Waterspider wrote:
>
> > "Paul E. Lehmann" > wrote in message
> m...
> >> Waterspider wrote:

>
> >>> Hi guys,

>
> >>> Well, our liquor license was approved and, after the final inspection
> >>> the end of the month, the Village Vintner should be ready to open for
> >>> business. Whoooo hoooo!

>
> >>> I've recently heard from a couple of hobbyists that they use
> >>> screw-tops
> >>> rather than corks, saying that the cork has absolutely no effect on
> >>> the
> >>> wine. This goes against everything I've believed, but then I've never
> >>> looked into it to confirm my assumptions. Is it like the Ford vs Chevy
> >>> (or
> >>> Apple vs PC) debates? Does it really matter? We've decided to offer
> >>> both
> >>> options to our customers, but I'd like to know which to recommend for
> >>> whom, and why.

>
> >>> What do the experts say? By "experts," of course I mean you guys.

>
> >>> Tia,

>
> >>> Waterspider

>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>> Visitwww.penderharbour.org
> >>> ------------------------------

>
> >> If you use screw-tops, you need to invest a fair amount of money to get
> >> started. If you are afraid of cork taint, there are a number of
> >> synthetic corks on the market now that entirely eliminate this issue
> >> and
> >> you would not have to invest in new equipment.

>
> > So... no difference to the wine?

>
> Depends on who you read. They are probably great for white wines and reds
> that are not intended to age long but because they do create a more
> airtight seal, there is the potential for reductive reactions to occur in
> wines that can create horrible off orders.
>
> > The way the license works, the customer must add the yeast and cork the
> > finished wine. Cork or screw-cap, they would do this manually. The caps
> > and bottles are more expensive, but what other equipment would be
> > necessary? Thanks for your tip about synthetic corks. Sounds like that's
> > the way to go.

>
> Check out the equipment necessary for using Stelvin screw caps. It is not
> merely just the case of simply screwing on a cap. I thought about them at
> one time myself but after looking at what would be needed, forgot the
> idea.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


There is no way a small operation can afford Stelvin and the caps
available to hobbyists are not the same. If you want a quick seal and
to only buy one sort of bottle consider T tops, you can get a
synthethic or natural cork T top very inexpensively and could still
use either synthetic or natural corks. The best synthetic as I see it
is Nomacorc..

Zorks are also available now, it's a glass or plastic stopper with an
O ring. It's covered with a metal tamper seal commercially but that
is because Alcoa makes them...

From Googling synthetic vs natural corks, it seems that either can screw up
(no pun intended), so I'm thinking my idealistic plan of using The Perfect
stopper is unrealistic. Now I'm wondering, if a cork was inferior, if a
shrink wrap over the top would prevent or delay the wine becoming "corked."
Or is that too easy a fix?


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