> Welllll.......Like I said, I never did do a kit. But when you get beyond
> kits there are lots of reasons for calibrated open primaries. Punching
> down caps, using bags for fruit and spices, etc,etc.

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Agreed, I use an open primary when needed. Next year
I was thinking about trying to hand squeeze some grapes.
Trouble is I don't live anywhere near a grape growing area
so all grapes are trucked in, not sure about the quality.

Don