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In my continued exploration of italian reds I happened across a bottle
of 2000 Sangiovese and enjoyed it very much. I have done a little research and am becoming confused about this wine. I keep reading that Sangiovese is a varietal used in making other wines such as Brunello and Chianti. However, the bottle I had was not a blend, or at least wasn't identified as such on the label. Could you kind folk help me understand this wine better. The bottle I had was very nice and I plan to drink more but want to understand more about it before shopping for it. Thanks, Alan |
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Sangiovese is the grape variety. It makes up at least 85% of any wine
labeled Chianti (Chianti is a subregion of Tuscany). It makes up 100% of Brunello di Montalcino (in a particular clone known as Brunello or Sangiovese Grosso) -Montalcino is another area of Tuscany. Like many varieties, it has many clones, but they are all still Sangiovese. |
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> wrote in message oups.com... > In my continued exploration of italian reds I happened across a bottle > of 2000 Sangiovese and enjoyed it very much. I have done a little > research and am becoming confused about this wine. I keep reading that > Sangiovese is a varietal used in making other wines such as Brunello > and Chianti. However, the bottle I had was not a blend, or at least > wasn't identified as such on the label. Could you kind folk help me > understand this wine better. The bottle I had was very nice and I plan > to drink more but want to understand more about it before shopping for > it. > > > Thanks, > > Alan Sangiovese is the main grape used in Chianti. It is also an EXCELLENT grape on its own. It usually has more acidity than your typical "Bordeaux" grapes such as Cabernet Sauvignon, Merlot, and Cabernet Franc. It is for this reason that I use it in blending (I am a home wine maker). Some vinifera can result in "flabby" wines if the pH goes up too much after Malo Lactic Fermentation. A blend with some Sangiovese helps eliminate this problem and means that one can control the acidity by blending and without adding Tartaric Acid. This fall, I am going to make a 100% Sangiovese as well as using some in blends. I wish it were grown more in the US. I also I had more room in my backyard vineyard to grow some myself. I know that some new vineyards in North Carolina are groing it. |
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> skrev i melding oups.com... > understand this wine better. The bottle I had was very nice and I plan > to drink more but want to understand more about it before shopping for > it. > That's the main point - you want more of that... :-) It is correct what the others have said - if the bottle said Sangiovese, it is 100% (allowing for legalities in some areas permitting a certain percentage of other grapes to be mixed in, up to 15%, at the vintners discretion) Now, a wine from a demarcated region, up to the standards of that region, will proudly display the name of the region and it is taken for granted that it will be superior or have a certain desirable character. The point is that climate, soil, grapes and more factors contribute to the final result and wine regions in Europe often have more than 1000 years of experience in getting the best result for each location. Keep drinking 'pure' Sangiovese and bear in mind that many, if not most, great wines in Europe don't say what grapes are used. hth Anders |
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From your post, I'm presuming you're in North Carolina? If so, can't help
you much - but out here in the CA Sierra Foothills, Sangiovese has a steady and growing popularity. There are some excellent varietal Sangiovese's made in Amador County - you might try those from Amador winery. Unfortunately, not too many blends made with it - and, as you mentioned, it's a great blending grape. I haven't made any yet, but Sangiovese is definitely on my 'must make' list for within the next couple years. > > Sangiovese is the main grape used in Chianti. It is also an EXCELLENT > grape on its own. It usually has more acidity than your typical > "Bordeaux" grapes such as Cabernet Sauvignon, Merlot, and Cabernet Franc. > It is for this reason that I use it in blending (I am a home wine maker). > Some vinifera can result in "flabby" wines if the pH goes up too much > after Malo Lactic Fermentation. A blend with some Sangiovese helps > eliminate this problem and means that one can control the acidity by > blending and without adding Tartaric Acid. > > This fall, I am going to make a 100% Sangiovese as well as using some in > blends. I wish it were grown more in the US. I also I had more room in > my backyard vineyard to grow some myself. I know that some new vineyards > in North Carolina are groing it. > |
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On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 20:28:37 -0700, miles > wrote:
wrote: >> In my continued exploration of italian reds I happened across a bottle >> of 2000 Sangiovese and enjoyed it very much. I have done a little >> research and am becoming confused about this wine. I keep reading that >> Sangiovese is a varietal used in making other wines such as Brunello >> and Chianti. However, the bottle I had was not a blend, or at least >> wasn't identified as such on the label. Could you kind folk help me >> understand this wine better. The bottle I had was very nice and I plan >> to drink more but want to understand more about it before shopping for >> it. > >In California it is common to find 100% Sangiovese wines. One of my >favorites. I often prefer them to Italian Chianti blends. I'm going to >have to try Brunello. Does anyone know if any US winery or vineyard has ever tried to grow the Brunello clone and, if so, what the results were? I am not aware of any. Vino |
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In addition to what others have said, it is worth remarking that many Italian wines made to the strictist DOC or DOCG regulations name the grape variety as well as the region, e.g. Brunello di Montalcino Montepulciano d'Abruzzo Moscato d'Asti Nebbiolo delle Langhe -- Steve Slatcher http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher |
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Ric wrote:
> From your post, I'm presuming you're in North Carolina? If so, can't help > you much - but out here in the CA Sierra Foothills, Sangiovese has a steady > and growing popularity. There are some excellent varietal Sangiovese's made > in Amador County - you might try those from Amador winery. Unfortunately, > not too many blends made with it - and, as you mentioned, it's a great > blending grape. Some of my favorite wineries are stopping production of Sangiovese. They told me it just isn't selling well even though those that do buy it love it. Two of my favorites Cambria and Midnight Cellars are halting Sangiovese production with this years release being the last. I believe Meridian is also ending Sangiovese. It's a marketing thing. Current US market is huge for Merlot which I find very non-descriptive and lacking much complexity. Only a handful seem to have any depth. It should go back to being a blending grape in my opinion! |
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The group I make wine with (www.chateaugarage.com) is making a
Sangiovese this year. We are getting grapes from Hopland in Mendocino through Peter Brehm. We are in the bay area but have a place in Weimar where we do a lot of the winemaking. Jim "Ric" > wrote in message t... > From your post, I'm presuming you're in North Carolina? If so, can't help > you much - but out here in the CA Sierra Foothills, Sangiovese has a > steady and growing popularity. There are some excellent varietal > Sangiovese's made in Amador County - you might try those from Amador > winery. Unfortunately, not too many blends made with it - and, as you > mentioned, it's a great blending grape. > > I haven't made any yet, but Sangiovese is definitely on my 'must make' > list for within the next couple years. > > >> >> Sangiovese is the main grape used in Chianti. It is also an EXCELLENT >> grape on its own. It usually has more acidity than your typical >> "Bordeaux" grapes such as Cabernet Sauvignon, Merlot, and Cabernet Franc. >> It is for this reason that I use it in blending (I am a home wine maker). >> Some vinifera can result in "flabby" wines if the pH goes up too much >> after Malo Lactic Fermentation. A blend with some Sangiovese helps >> eliminate this problem and means that one can control the acidity by >> blending and without adding Tartaric Acid. >> >> This fall, I am going to make a 100% Sangiovese as well as using some in >> blends. I wish it were grown more in the US. I also I had more room in >> my backyard vineyard to grow some myself. I know that some new vineyards >> in North Carolina are groing it. >> > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Very cool thing you've got going there with the "chateaugarage". Do you
visit the rec.crafts.winemaking newsgroup? I correspond there quite a bit. If you're ever headed up to the foothills a little north of your Weimar place, give me a shout (I'll use your website to get you my email address rather than post it here). I'm in Nevada City, where we have a number of great wineries; Nevada City winery, Iron Mountain, Indian Springs, Burch Hall, Lucchessi, Starr, ... the list goes on. Most all have tasting rooms nowadays, so a trip to Grass Valley / Nevada City makes for a full day of wine. Cheers! "Jim Mehl" > wrote in message .. . > The group I make wine with (www.chateaugarage.com) is making a > Sangiovese this year. We are getting grapes from Hopland in Mendocino > through Peter Brehm. We are in the bay area but have a place in Weimar > where we do a lot of the winemaking. > Jim > |
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miles wrote: > Ric wrote: > > From your post, I'm presuming you're in North Carolina? If so, can't help > > you much - but out here in the CA Sierra Foothills, Sangiovese has a steady > > and growing popularity. There are some excellent varietal Sangiovese's made > > in Amador County - you might try those from Amador winery. Unfortunately, > > not too many blends made with it - and, as you mentioned, it's a great > > blending grape. > > Some of my favorite wineries are stopping production of Sangiovese. In ITALY? > They told me it just isn't selling well even though those that do buy it > love it. Two of my favorites Cambria and Midnight Cellars are halting > Sangiovese production with this years release being the last. I believe > Meridian is also ending Sangiovese. The OP asked about ITALIAN Sangiovese. WTF is wrong with you? Can't you read? > > It's a marketing thing. Current US market is huge for Merlot which I > find very non-descriptive and lacking much complexity. Only a handful > seem to have any depth. It should go back to being a blending grape in > my opinion! Why do I bother with you morons? |
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UC wrote:
> miles wrote: >> Ric wrote: >>> From your post, I'm presuming you're in North Carolina? If so, can't help >>> you much - but out here in the CA Sierra Foothills, Sangiovese has a steady >>> and growing popularity. There are some excellent varietal Sangiovese's made >>> in Amador County - you might try those from Amador winery. Unfortunately, >>> not too many blends made with it - and, as you mentioned, it's a great >>> blending grape. >> Some of my favorite wineries are stopping production of Sangiovese. > > In ITALY? Geez. You seriously need a time out and then a nap!! > The OP asked about ITALIAN Sangiovese. WTF is wrong with you? Can't you > read? My reply wasn't to the OP. Read above what I replied too. This is a forum of discussion. Sounds like you need an attitude adjustment. > Why do I bother with you morons? ROFL. Hey, thanks for the laugh! Geez. Some peoples kids. |
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Steve Slatcher skrev i dette:
> So the required percentage went up recently? Belfrage (Brunello to > Zibibbo" said it changed from 75% to 80% in 2000. > > Is there a good online source for this information? I have found very > few places that give these facts. Perhaps because they keep changing. http://www.consorziobrunellodimontal...lo/default.htm Chose the eglish version and experience a very typical italian phenomenon ;-) regards Jan -- A few photos can be found on http://jan.boegh.net/foto.htm |
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miles wrote: > UC wrote: > > miles wrote: > >> Ric wrote: > >>> From your post, I'm presuming you're in North Carolina? If so, can't help > >>> you much - but out here in the CA Sierra Foothills, Sangiovese has a steady > >>> and growing popularity. There are some excellent varietal Sangiovese's made > >>> in Amador County - you might try those from Amador winery. Unfortunately, > >>> not too many blends made with it - and, as you mentioned, it's a great > >>> blending grape. > > >> Some of my favorite wineries are stopping production of Sangiovese. > > > > In ITALY? > > Geez. You seriously need a time out and then a nap!! > > > The OP asked about ITALIAN Sangiovese. WTF is wrong with you? Can't you > > read? > > My reply wasn't to the OP. Read above what I replied too. This is a > forum of discussion. Sounds like you need an attitude adjustment. > > > Why do I bother with you morons? > > ROFL. Hey, thanks for the laugh! Geez. Some peoples kids. What did what you wrote have to do with this?: "In my continued exploration of italian reds I happened across a bottle of 2000 Sangiovese and enjoyed it very much. I have done a little research and am becoming confused about this wine. I keep reading that Sangiovese is a varietal used in making other wines such as Brunello and Chianti. However, the bottle I had was not a blend, or at least wasn't identified as such on the label. Could you kind folk help me understand this wine better. The bottle I had was very nice and I plan to drink more but want to understand more about it before shopping for it. Thanks, Alan" |
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Steve Slatcher > wrote:
> In addition to what others have said, it is worth remarking that > many Italian wines made to the strictist DOC or DOCG regulations > name the grape variety as well as the region, e.g. > Brunello di Montalcino > Montepulciano d'Abruzzo > Moscato d'Asti > Nebbiolo delle Langhe Strange that nobody mentioned Sangiovese di Romagna DOC. M. |
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Vino wrote:
> > Does anyone know if any US winery or vineyard has ever tried to grow > the Brunello clone and, if so, what the results were? I am not aware > of any. There are several producers making wine from Sangiovese grosso today. Unti (http://www.untivineyards.com/news/news04.htm) and Field Stone (http://www.fieldstonewinery.com/page...sangiovese.htm) are two who have that I know of. Mark Lipton |
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Mike Tommasi > wrote:
>> Strange that nobody mentioned Sangiovese di Romagna DOC. > That's right, uranium committee did. Who? Not so strange. ;-) Of course ... ;-) M. |
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"Mike Tommasi" > wrote in message
... > Michael Pronay wrote: >> Strange that nobody mentioned Sangiovese di Romagna DOC. > > That's right, uranium committee did. Not so strange. ;-) -- > Mike Tommasi - Six Fours, France Mike I disagree, I find uranium committee very strange. He should enter the reactor and spend time in the core. :^0 |
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UC wrote:
> miles wrote: >> UC wrote: >>> miles wrote: >>>> Ric wrote: >>>>> From your post, I'm presuming you're in North Carolina? If so, can't help >>>>> you much - but out here in the CA Sierra Foothills, Sangiovese has a steady >>>>> and growing popularity. There are some excellent varietal Sangiovese's made >>>>> in Amador County - you might try those from Amador winery. Unfortunately, >>>>> not too many blends made with it - and, as you mentioned, it's a great >>>>> blending grape. >>>> Some of my favorite wineries are stopping production of Sangiovese. >>> In ITALY? >> Geez. You seriously need a time out and then a nap!! >> >>> The OP asked about ITALIAN Sangiovese. WTF is wrong with you? Can't you >>> read? >> My reply wasn't to the OP. Read above what I replied too. This is a >> forum of discussion. Sounds like you need an attitude adjustment. >> >>> Why do I bother with you morons? >> ROFL. Hey, thanks for the laugh! Geez. Some peoples kids. > > What did what you wrote have to do with this?: > > "In my continued exploration of italian reds I happened across a bottle > of 2000 Sangiovese and enjoyed it very much. I have done a little > research and am becoming confused about this wine. I keep reading that > Sangiovese is a varietal used in making other wines such as Brunello > and Chianti. However, the bottle I had was not a blend, or at least > wasn't identified as such on the label. Could you kind folk help me > understand this wine better. The bottle I had was very nice and I plan > to drink more but want to understand more about it before shopping for > it. > > Thanks, > > Alan" Geez. READ!!! Look above in this very message to what "RIC WROTE". That is who I replied to, not Alan. Keep up with the threads before inserting foot into mouth. Now apologize. |
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Michael Pronay wrote: > Steve Slatcher > wrote: > > > In addition to what others have said, it is worth remarking that > > many Italian wines made to the strictist DOC or DOCG regulations > > name the grape variety as well as the region, e.g. > > Brunello di Montalcino > > Montepulciano d'Abruzzo > > Moscato d'Asti > > Nebbiolo delle Langhe > > Strange that nobody mentioned Sangiovese di Romagna DOC. You can't read either. I mentioned it. > > M. |
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miles wrote: > UC wrote: > > miles wrote: > >> UC wrote: > >>> miles wrote: > >>>> Ric wrote: > >>>>> From your post, I'm presuming you're in North Carolina? If so, can't help > >>>>> you much - but out here in the CA Sierra Foothills, Sangiovese has a steady > >>>>> and growing popularity. There are some excellent varietal Sangiovese's made > >>>>> in Amador County - you might try those from Amador winery. Unfortunately, > >>>>> not too many blends made with it - and, as you mentioned, it's a great > >>>>> blending grape. > >>>> Some of my favorite wineries are stopping production of Sangiovese. > >>> In ITALY? > >> Geez. You seriously need a time out and then a nap!! > >> > >>> The OP asked about ITALIAN Sangiovese. WTF is wrong with you? Can't you > >>> read? > >> My reply wasn't to the OP. Read above what I replied too. This is a > >> forum of discussion. Sounds like you need an attitude adjustment. > >> > >>> Why do I bother with you morons? > >> ROFL. Hey, thanks for the laugh! Geez. Some peoples kids. > > > > What did what you wrote have to do with this?: > > > > "In my continued exploration of italian reds I happened across a bottle > > of 2000 Sangiovese and enjoyed it very much. I have done a little > > research and am becoming confused about this wine. I keep reading that > > Sangiovese is a varietal used in making other wines such as Brunello > > and Chianti. However, the bottle I had was not a blend, or at least > > wasn't identified as such on the label. Could you kind folk help me > > understand this wine better. The bottle I had was very nice and I plan > > to drink more but want to understand more about it before shopping for > > it. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Alan" > > Geez. READ!!! Look above in this very message to what "RIC WROTE". > That is who I replied to, not Alan. Keep up with the threads before > inserting foot into mouth. Now apologize. I know you were replying to another post, but you were not responding to the question posed by the OP. You were continuing to go away from the original question, explicitly asked, about SANGIOVESE from ITALY. Why would anyone be concerned with Sangiovese wines from the uS?, when the grape is characteristically Italian. It is one of the most popular grapes in Italy, planted all over the middle and south. |
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Professor wrote: > "Mike Tommasi" > wrote in message > ... > > Michael Pronay wrote: > >> Strange that nobody mentioned Sangiovese di Romagna DOC. > > > > That's right, uranium committee did. Not so strange. ;-) -- > > Mike Tommasi - Six Fours, France > > Mike I disagree, I find uranium committee very strange. > He should enter the reactor and spend time in the core. :^0 The Committee finds you a waste of our time. |
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Mike Tommasi wrote: > UC wrote: > > Professor wrote: > > > >>"Mike Tommasi" > wrote in message > ... > >> > >>>Michael Pronay wrote: > >>> > >>>>Strange that nobody mentioned Sangiovese di Romagna DOC. > >>> > >>>That's right, uranium committee did. Not so strange. ;-) -- > >>>Mike Tommasi - Six Fours, France > >> > >>Mike I disagree, I find uranium committee very strange. > >>He should enter the reactor and spend time in the core. :^0 > > > > > > The Committee finds you a waste of our time. > > How many of you are there? > The first meeting of the Advisory Committee on Uranium met on October 21, 1939 - a Saturday. In attendance were Lyman Briggs; Briggs' assistant; Adamson for the Army; Hoover for the Navy; Alexander Sachs; Leo Szilard; Eugene Wigner; Edward Teller; and Richard Roberts. Teller represented Enrico Fermi who refused to attend because of a dispute with the Navy Dept. http://www.childrenofthemanhattanpro...TORY/H-04a.htm |
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Mike Tommasi wrote: > UC wrote: > > Professor wrote: > > > >>"Mike Tommasi" > wrote in message > ... > >> > >>>Michael Pronay wrote: > >>> > >>>>Strange that nobody mentioned Sangiovese di Romagna DOC. > >>> > >>>That's right, uranium committee did. Not so strange. ;-) -- > >>>Mike Tommasi - Six Fours, France > >> > >>Mike I disagree, I find uranium committee very strange. > >>He should enter the reactor and spend time in the core. :^0 > > > > > > The Committee finds you a waste of our time. > > How many of you are there? > The first meeting of the Advisory Committee on Uranium met on October 21, 1939 - a Saturday. In attendance were Lyman Briggs; Briggs' assistant; Adamson for the Army; Hoover for the Navy; Alexander Sachs; Leo Szilard; Eugene Wigner; Edward Teller; and Richard Roberts. Teller represented Enrico Fermi who refused to attend because of a dispute with the Navy Dept. http://www.childrenofthemanhattanpro...TORY/H-04a.htm http://www.atomicarchive.com/History...ronology.shtml |
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Michael, The original poster asked ...
> >"Could you kind folk help me understand this wine better. > >The bottle I had was very nice and I plan to drink more > >but want to understand more about it before shopping for > > it. Then YOU replied "Sangiovese di Romagna?" Then you wrote..... "WTF is wrong with you? Can't you read?" Why don't YOU heed your own advice - the OP didn't ask for recommendations - he asked our help to understand Sangiovese (in general) and Italian Sangiovese (in particular) So, instead of lambasting others who have suggested that this grape variety is not only grown very successfully in countries other than I____, (there are many Australians of Italian extraction making some wonderful wines with Sangiovese!), get off your bloody high horse, and help the OP understand the wine!!!!!!! Unless you actually start writing constructive stuff in this forum, I don't know why "you bother with us morons?" So, do us morons a favour - immigrate to Italy (preferably somewhere in deepest Umbria without an internet connection)!! -- st.helier |
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Mike, surely these must be some obscure little backwater where Mr. Scarpitti
can be banished!!! He would probably get the shock of his life if he actually had to live anywhere in Italy. -- st.helier |
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"UC" > wrote in message ups.com... > > miles wrote: >> UC wrote: >> > miles wrote: >> >> UC wrote: >> >>> miles wrote: >> >>>> Ric wrote: >> >>>>> From your post, I'm presuming you're in North Carolina? If so, >> >>>>> can't help >> >>>>> you much - but out here in the CA Sierra Foothills, Sangiovese has >> >>>>> a steady >> >>>>> and growing popularity. There are some excellent varietal >> >>>>> Sangiovese's made >> >>>>> in Amador County - you might try those from Amador winery. >> >>>>> Unfortunately, >> >>>>> not too many blends made with it - and, as you mentioned, it's a >> >>>>> great >> >>>>> blending grape. >> >>>> Some of my favorite wineries are stopping production of Sangiovese. >> >>> In ITALY? >> >> Geez. You seriously need a time out and then a nap!! >> >> >> >>> The OP asked about ITALIAN Sangiovese. WTF is wrong with you? Can't >> >>> you >> >>> read? >> >> My reply wasn't to the OP. Read above what I replied too. This is a >> >> forum of discussion. Sounds like you need an attitude adjustment. >> >> >> >>> Why do I bother with you morons? >> >> ROFL. Hey, thanks for the laugh! Geez. Some peoples kids. >> > >> > What did what you wrote have to do with this?: >> > >> > "In my continued exploration of italian reds I happened across a bottle >> > of 2000 Sangiovese and enjoyed it very much. I have done a little >> > research and am becoming confused about this wine. I keep reading that >> > Sangiovese is a varietal used in making other wines such as Brunello >> > and Chianti. However, the bottle I had was not a blend, or at least >> > wasn't identified as such on the label. Could you kind folk help me >> > understand this wine better. The bottle I had was very nice and I plan >> > to drink more but want to understand more about it before shopping for >> > it. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Alan" >> >> Geez. READ!!! Look above in this very message to what "RIC WROTE". >> That is who I replied to, not Alan. Keep up with the threads before >> inserting foot into mouth. Now apologize. > > I know you were replying to another post, but you were not responding > to the question posed by the OP. You were continuing to go away from > the original question, explicitly asked, about SANGIOVESE from ITALY. > Why would anyone be concerned with Sangiovese wines from the uS?, when > the grape is characteristically Italian. It is one of the most popular > grapes in Italy, planted all over the middle and south. Characteristically Italian??? Sorry, but the Italians do not own exclusive rights to grow Sangiovese just as the French do not have exclusive rights to the Cabernets Merlot, Pinot etc. |
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st.helier wrote: > Michael, The original poster asked ... > > > >"Could you kind folk help me understand this wine better. > > >The bottle I had was very nice and I plan to drink more > > >but want to understand more about it before shopping for > > > it. > > Then YOU replied "Sangiovese di Romagna?" > > Then you wrote..... "WTF is wrong with you? Can't you read?" > > Why don't YOU heed your own advice - the OP didn't ask for > recommendations - he asked our help to understand Sangiovese (in general) > and Italian Sangiovese (in particular) He was unclear about what he had. I think it was Sangiovese di Romagna, which is one of the few ITALIAN wines that are actually CALLED 'Sangiovese'. Here's what he asked: "In my continued exploration of italian reds I happened across a bottle of 2000 Sangiovese and enjoyed it very much. I have done a little research and am becoming confused about this wine. I keep reading that Sangiovese is a varietal used in making other wines such as Brunello and Chianti. However, the bottle I had was not a blend, or at least wasn't identified as such on the label. Could you kind folk help me understand this wine better. The bottle I had was very nice and I plan to drink more but want to understand more about it before shopping for it." > So, instead of lambasting others who have suggested that this grape variety > is not only grown very successfully in countries other than I____, (there > are many Australians of Italian extraction making some wonderful wines with > Sangiovese!), get off your bloody high horse, and help the OP understand the > wine!!!!!!! I did. None of you did. > Unless you actually start writing constructive stuff in this forum, I don't > know why "you bother with us morons?" > > So, do us morons a favour - immigrate to Italy (preferably somewhere in > deepest Umbria without an internet connection)!! Arabo! > > -- > > st.helier |
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Professor wrote: > "st.helier" > wrote in message > ... > > Mike, surely these must be some obscure little backwater where Mr. > > Scarpitti can be banished!!! > > > > He would probably get the shock of his life if he actually had to live > > anywhere in Italy. -- > > st.helier > > Mr. Scarpitti would really shock Italians by saying older wines are > worthless because they've oxidized. I never said that, you illiterate dweeb. > His presence would reinforce the > stereotype of boorish Americans. I'll be in Piedmont in just nine weeks. > I'm bringing my Canadian sweater! ;^) |
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>He was unclear about what he had. I think it was Sangiovese di Romagna, >which is one of the few ITALIAN wines that are actually CALLED >'Sangiovese'. FWIW I would have assumed he had tried an IGT wine -- Steve Slatcher http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher |
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"Michael Scarpitti", demonstrating his creative literary capabilities
wrote..... > > I never said that, you illiterate dweeb. > The trouble is Michael, that you write very little which is constructive, that we remember only the crap you expound!!!!! Most of your posts either consist a link to someone else's opinion, or you write some stupidly held personal thoughts which are at complete odds with mainstream thinking and common sense. You say: "drink wine - but don't taste" (most of us prefer to savour and appreciate any and everything we put in our mouths). You say: "wine will not stand any exposure to air, so put the cork straight back in the bottle" - whereas most of us agree that the only thing which should have a cork stuffed back into it is you!!!!! You say "Italian wines are the only ones worth drinking", whereas people with open minds appreciate all wines from all countries, and are willing to concede that no matter how much we think we know, there is always someone who knows more - and there is always more to learn. You are obviously incapable of putting your own thoughts into words, because you never taste anything - you just mix food and wine and swallow, with no real sense of passion or emotion which you wish to share. If you think that we, morons of the wine world as we are, should drink more Italian wines, convince us!!!!! Using your knowledge and passion, tell us why we should search high and low for these wines - use passion, not insults. And use your own words - not someone else's. Then again, I know from experience you have the attention span of an ant, and you cannot even read more than five lines without your eyes glazing over - because you feel another insult coming on. Get a life, Michael !!!!!!! -- st.helier |
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UC wrote:
> I know you were replying to another post, but you were not responding > to the question posed by the OP. You were continuing to go away from > the original question, explicitly asked, about SANGIOVESE from ITALY. > Why would anyone be concerned with Sangiovese wines from the uS?, when > the grape is characteristically Italian. It is one of the most popular > grapes in Italy, planted all over the middle and south. So every post in a thread needs to be a direct response to the OP's original post huh? Hmm...are you the moderator here? Good grief. It's a discussion between friendly people...get over it already! Enjoy the wine, the people and maybe learn something. Or...you could just whine as you have. For me, I'd rather enjoy wine. As for your question, because many of us enjoy the US sangiovese style. If you don't then so be it. Funny thing about people. They don't all like the same thing. |
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UC wrote:
>BS snipped for clarity. Who put the 'Troll Wanted' sign out to which you responded anyways? |
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st.helier wrote: > "Michael Scarpitti", demonstrating his creative literary capabilities > wrote..... > > > > I never said that, you illiterate dweeb. > > > > The trouble is Michael, that you write very little which is constructive, > that we remember only the crap you expound!!!!! > > Most of your posts either consist a link to someone else's opinion, or you > write some stupidly held personal thoughts which are at complete odds with > mainstream thinking and common sense. > > You say: "drink wine - but don't taste" (most of us prefer to savour and > appreciate any and everything we put in our mouths). > > You say: "wine will not stand any exposure to air, so put the cork straight > back in the bottle" - whereas most of us agree that the only thing which > should have a cork stuffed back into it is you!!!!! > > You say "Italian wines are the only ones worth drinking", whereas people > with open minds appreciate all wines from all countries, and are willing to > concede that no matter how much we think we know, there is always someone > who knows more - and there is always more to learn. > > You are obviously incapable of putting your own thoughts into words, because > you never taste anything - you just mix food and wine and swallow, with no > real sense of passion or emotion which you wish to share. > > If you think that we, morons of the wine world as we are, should drink more > Italian wines, convince us!!!!! > > Using your knowledge and passion, tell us why we should search high and low > for these wines - use passion, not insults. > > And use your own words - not someone else's. > > Then again, I know from experience you have the attention span of an ant, > and you cannot even read more than five lines without your eyes glazing > over - because you feel another insult coming on. > > Get a life, Michael !!!!!!! > > -- > > st.helier To this I can only reply that the basic approaches to wine-making are different in different countries. In F_____, they have some ridiculous idea that the best wines will always come from a few selected plots of land. In fact, the winemaker has much more say in the final product. In Italy, crap wine and fantastic wine may be made from grapes grown in the same area, even in the same vineyard. What matters is the maker's approach and care. The really important thing worth knowing is the wine-maker, above all else. I recently had the pleasure of finding a fantastic wine - Avulisi - from Sicily. It is made from Nero d'Avola grapes by Santa Tresa, and is IGT. Apparently, there are not many DOC's in Sicily, so even the best wines carry the IGT designation. I have had Nero d'Avola from several different wineries (including Regaleali), and I can say that Avulisi is in a league of its own. It is very rich, extremely concentrated, intensively flavored, well-structured, and well-balanced. You can get low-end Nero d'Avola from Petraio for $5, but they don't even taste like the same grape! By the way, the Petraio is an outstanding buy, but Avulisi is another animal altogether. The wine world is unfortunately dominated by what I call the "F_____ model". I say 'unfortunately' because many wines from other wine-producing countries don't fit that mold. You cannot treat Italian wines like F_____ ones. If you say you like to 'breathe' your Pomerol or Médoc, go right ahead. I will <<not>> breathe my Cannonau, Barbera, Velletri, Primitivo, Taurasi, Nero d'Avola, or Carignano del Sulcis. To expect Italian wine to fit the F_____ model is absurd and stupid. Italian wines and cooking are closely intertwined. The role of wine in Italy is different. It is approached much less dogmatically, much less theoretically. It was until recent times mostly a peasant's wine, and still largely is. The snobbery that characterises the F_____ is almost entirely absent. In the south especially, one finds bull-headed traditionalists. What area of the worl has the greatest potential for wine-making? Sicily. You heard it here first, my man. |
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UC wrote:
> What area of the worl has the greatest potential for wine-making? > Sicily. What other areas of the world are you knowledgeable with in regards to wine-making potentials? |
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miles wrote: > UC wrote: > > > What area of the world has the greatest potential for wine-making? > > Sicily. > > What other areas of the world are you knowledgeable with in regards to > wine-making potentials? I should say "untapped potential". Sicily has nearly all the ideal conditions for wine-making. The troubles are largely attitudes, the Mafia, and politics. |
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