If you were in the market for a 1975 Bordeaux and lived in a state (Maine)
that has a lack of wine shops carrying such old stock, and therefore had to
turn to the internet to find a bottle, are there any online merchants that
you'd recommend over others? Where have you bought older bottles in the
past, and what condition did they arrive in (both external and internal)?

Of course, I'm speaking of companies based in the US. I can have it shipped
to a relative in New Hampshire if they won't ship to Maine due to our
alcohol shipping restrictions.

Thanks

- Chris

On 12-Jan-2005, "Chris Sprague" >
wrote:

> If you were in the market for a 1975 Bordeaux and lived in a state (Maine)
> that has a lack of wine shops carrying such old stock, and therefore had
> to
> turn to the internet to find a bottle, are there any online merchants that
> you'd recommend over others? Where have you bought older bottles in the
> past, and what condition did they arrive in (both external and internal)?
>
> Of course, I'm speaking of companies based in the US. I can have it
> shipped
> to a relative in New Hampshire if they won't ship to Maine due to our
> alcohol shipping restrictions.
>
> Thanks
>
> - Chris

Try D and M (www.dandm.com) or K&L Wines (www.klwines.com), both in San
Francisco. K & L is more likely to have 75 Bordeaux, but they will only
ship to reciprocal states. D and M will ship anywhere. They are also one
of, if not the, largest champagne retailers in the country.

Cheers,
Gary

On 12-Jan-2005, "Chris Sprague" >
wrote:

> If you were in the market for a 1975 Bordeaux and lived in a state (Maine)
> that has a lack of wine shops carrying such old stock, and therefore had
> to
> turn to the internet to find a bottle, are there any online merchants that
> you'd recommend over others? Where have you bought older bottles in the
> past, and what condition did they arrive in (both external and internal)?
>
> Of course, I'm speaking of companies based in the US. I can have it
> shipped
> to a relative in New Hampshire if they won't ship to Maine due to our
> alcohol shipping restrictions.
>
> Thanks
>
> - Chris

Try D and M (www.dandm.com) or K&L Wines (www.klwines.com), both in San
Francisco. K & L is more likely to have 75 Bordeaux, but they will only
ship to reciprocal states. D and M will ship anywhere. They are also one
of, if not the, largest champagne retailers in the country.

Cheers,
Gary

If the question is solely provenance, Zachys is probably my first
choice. But they are seldom anywhere near price leaders on older
bottles.

Sherry-Lehmann has good storage but again tends to be a bit high, but
currently has the '75 Gruaud-Larose at a good price ($90 I think). I'm
putting together a G-L vertical offline and was just checking their
Gruaud prices (I already have the '75), so unsure what else they have.

In addition to K & L, other merchants that tend to get mentioned in
discussions of older bottles include Premier Cru , John Hart, &
MacArthurs/Bassins. Sam's, Calvert-Woodley, Wine Exchange, Rochambeau,
etc. tend to mostly have more recent vintages in my (limited)
experience.
A google search on this group would show some past discussions.

If the question is solely provenance, Zachys is probably my first
choice. But they are seldom anywhere near price leaders on older
bottles.

Sherry-Lehmann has good storage but again tends to be a bit high, but
currently has the '75 Gruaud-Larose at a good price ($90 I think). I'm
putting together a G-L vertical offline and was just checking their
Gruaud prices (I already have the '75), so unsure what else they have.

In addition to K & L, other merchants that tend to get mentioned in
discussions of older bottles include Premier Cru , John Hart, &
MacArthurs/Bassins. Sam's, Calvert-Woodley, Wine Exchange, Rochambeau,
etc. tend to mostly have more recent vintages in my (limited)
experience.
A google search on this group would show some past discussions.

On 13 Jan 2005 05:59:33 -0800, "DaleW" > wrote:

>If the question is solely provenance, Zachys is probably my first
>choice. But they are seldom anywhere near price leaders on older
>bottles.
>
>Sherry-Lehmann has good storage but again tends to be a bit high, but
>currently has the '75 Gruaud-Larose at a good price ($90 I think). I'm
>putting together a G-L vertical offline and was just checking their
>Gruaud prices (I already have the '75), so unsure what else they have.
>
>In addition to K & L, other merchants that tend to get mentioned in
>discussions of older bottles include Premier Cru , John Hart, &
>MacArthurs/Bassins. Sam's, Calvert-Woodley, Wine Exchange, Rochambeau,
>etc. tend to mostly have more recent vintages in my (limited)
>experience.
>A google search on this group would show some past discussions.

I agree about Zachys. They seem to have everything although they can
be a bit pricey.

I'm also getting almost daily email offerings from D. Sokolin, which
include a lot of older vintages. Apparently they are into quite a bit
of estate liquidation (no pun intended) of wine cellars. Pricing seems
reasonable and I think they offer some level of provenance
confirmation. (We've recently had some comments in the group regarding
Sokolin performance, but I've never had difficulty in a relatively
small number of transactions with the company. YMMV.)


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org

On 13 Jan 2005 05:59:33 -0800, "DaleW" > wrote:

>If the question is solely provenance, Zachys is probably my first
>choice. But they are seldom anywhere near price leaders on older
>bottles.
>
>Sherry-Lehmann has good storage but again tends to be a bit high, but
>currently has the '75 Gruaud-Larose at a good price ($90 I think). I'm
>putting together a G-L vertical offline and was just checking their
>Gruaud prices (I already have the '75), so unsure what else they have.
>
>In addition to K & L, other merchants that tend to get mentioned in
>discussions of older bottles include Premier Cru , John Hart, &
>MacArthurs/Bassins. Sam's, Calvert-Woodley, Wine Exchange, Rochambeau,
>etc. tend to mostly have more recent vintages in my (limited)
>experience.
>A google search on this group would show some past discussions.

I agree about Zachys. They seem to have everything although they can
be a bit pricey.

I'm also getting almost daily email offerings from D. Sokolin, which
include a lot of older vintages. Apparently they are into quite a bit
of estate liquidation (no pun intended) of wine cellars. Pricing seems
reasonable and I think they offer some level of provenance
confirmation. (We've recently had some comments in the group regarding
Sokolin performance, but I've never had difficulty in a relatively
small number of transactions with the company. YMMV.)


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org

On 13 Jan 2005 05:59:33 -0800, "DaleW" > wrote:

>If the question is solely provenance, Zachys is probably my first
>choice. But they are seldom anywhere near price leaders on older
>bottles.
>
>Sherry-Lehmann has good storage but again tends to be a bit high, but
>currently has the '75 Gruaud-Larose at a good price ($90 I think). I'm
>putting together a G-L vertical offline and was just checking their
>Gruaud prices (I already have the '75), so unsure what else they have.
>
>In addition to K & L, other merchants that tend to get mentioned in
>discussions of older bottles include Premier Cru , John Hart, &
>MacArthurs/Bassins. Sam's, Calvert-Woodley, Wine Exchange, Rochambeau,
>etc. tend to mostly have more recent vintages in my (limited)
>experience.
>A google search on this group would show some past discussions.

I agree about Zachys. They seem to have everything although they can
be a bit pricey.

I'm also getting almost daily email offerings from D. Sokolin, which
include a lot of older vintages. Apparently they are into quite a bit
of estate liquidation (no pun intended) of wine cellars. Pricing seems
reasonable and I think they offer some level of provenance
confirmation. (We've recently had some comments in the group regarding
Sokolin performance, but I've never had difficulty in a relatively
small number of transactions with the company. YMMV.)


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org

I'll give my shout-out to K & L. Always had a good experience with
them.
(In particular, if you're a fan of boutique Champagnes, their
specialist Gary Westby is awesome)
e.

In message om>, DaleW
> writes

>currently has the '75 Gruaud-Larose at a good price ($90 I think). I'm
>putting together a G-L vertical offline and was just checking their
>Gruaud prices (I already have the '75), so unsure what else they have.

Friends and I shared a bottle of Gruaud-Larose (amongst other stuff)
with our Christmas dinner. From 1998, I think (but will check), and very
lovely.

--
congokid
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"DaleW" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> If the question is solely provenance, Zachys is probably my first
> choice. But they are seldom anywhere near price leaders on older
> bottles.
>
> Sherry-Lehmann has good storage but again tends to be a bit high, but
> currently has the '75 Gruaud-Larose at a good price ($90 I think). I'm
> putting together a G-L vertical offline and was just checking their
> Gruaud prices (I already have the '75), so unsure what else they have.

Thank you for the suggestions. I have purchased the '75 Gruaud Larose on
Sherry-Lehmann.

- Chris