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"Speciesism" - nothing wrong with it
On 4/18/2012 8:59 AM, dh@. wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:54:49 -0700 (PDT), > > wrote: > >> On Apr 17, 11:19 pm, dh@. wrote: >>> On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:07:52 -0700, George > wrote: >>>> On 4/16/2012 11:49 PM, Rupert wrote: >>>>> On Apr 11, 7:39 pm, dh@. wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:37:10 -0700 (PDT), > >>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>> On Apr 9, 10:54 pm, dh@. wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sun, 08 Apr 2012 10:06:34 -0700, wrote: >>>>>>>>> "Animal rights activists" - actually, most are "passivists", doing >>>>>>>>> nothing more than talk - commonly invoke "speciesism" to try to explain >>>>>>>>> why human use of animals is wrong. This is meaningless. First of all, >>>>>>>>> all species are "speciesist": the members of all species pursue their >>>>>>>>> interests, as individual entities and as members of their species, with >>>>>>>>> no regard for the interests of other species. >>> >>>>>>>> That's for sure. If humans were not speciesist we could no longer survive >>>>>>>> since rodents, bugs and germs would eventually wipe us out. Early humans also >>>>>>>> would not have been able to defend themselves from predators if they didn't care >>>>>>>> more for themselves than they do for the predators. >>>>>>>> . . . >>> >>>>>>>>> The passivists cannot make a case as to *why* the interests of members >>>>>>>>> of other species ought to be given the same moral weight as the >>>>>>>>> interests of members of our own species. >>> >>>>>>>> Someone who honestly felt that way would be insane and a danger to society. >>>>>>>> They would feel no worse about hitting a child with their car than they would a >>>>>>>> snake, which would truly be insane from my pov. >>> >>>>>>> That does not follow. >>> >>>>>> That it would be insane from my pov? Or that if they were not speciesist it >>>>>> would apply to snakes as well as to whatever else, if anything, or >>>>>> everything...? >>> >>>>> Being non-speciesist does not require to get as upset about the death >>>>> of a snake as about the death of a human child. >>> >>>> Of course it does. Not only that, but it says we should be indifferent >>>> as to which one we save from harm. So, if I see vehicles about to crush >>>> a snake and a human child, and I have time to rescue only one of them, I >>>> should give equal consideration to rescuing the snake and the child - >>>> essentially, flip a coin. >>> >>>> Don't give me any of your specious sophistry about figuring out which >>>> one is more likely to have a richer, longer life of positive value >>>> <snicker> if saved - >>> >>> How could a guy who doesn't "believe the distinction between lives of >>> positive value" and "lives of negative value" means anything, possibly think >>> about such an issue in any sort of realistic detail? A mental handicap like that >>> would necessarily prevent him from being able to think about it, though he may >>> dishonestly claim to have lectured college students on that subject even though >>> they know more about than he ever will. A student going into animal research >>> certainly has a much better understanding about such values of life than a >>> person who is as mentally restricted as Rupert claims to be. >>> >> >> I believe that you have not adequately defined the distinction between >> lives of positive value and lives of negative value. > > You can't comprehend what it means You can't give it any meaning, because you're lying about it. What "lives of possitive [sic] value" means, to you, is existence. You want livestock animals to exist, for your use, and *purely* for your use. You don't care about the quality of their lives. |
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