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Hindu Press International
Hinduism Today
http://www.hinduismtoday.com
Monday, January 2, 2012

New York, USA, December 29, 2011 (By Mark Bittman, food critic for
the NY Times) - Among your other resolutions -- do more good? make
more money? -- you've probably made the annual pledge to eat better,
although this concept may be more often reduced simply to "lose some
weight." The weight-loss obsession is both a national need and a
neurotic urge (those last five pounds really don't matter, either
cosmetically or medically). But most of us do need to eat "better."

If defining this betterness has become increasingly more difficult,
the core of the answer is known to everyone: eat more plants. And if
the diet that most starkly represents this -- veganism -- is no
longer considered bizarre or unreasonably spartan, neither is it
exactly mainstream.

Many vegan dishes, however, are already beloved: we eat fruit salad,
peanut butter and jelly, beans and rice, eggplant in garlic sauce. My
point here is to make semi-veganism work for you.These recipes serve
about four, and in all, the addition of salt and pepper is taken for
granted. This is not a gimmick or even a diet. It's a path, and the
smart resolution might be to get on it. Read them here.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...pagewanted=all

Source -
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/01/ma...pagewanted=all

http://www.hinduismtoday.com/blogs-n...lem/11754.html

More at:

Hinduism Today
http://www.hinduismtoday.com

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 11:03:18 GMT, and/or www.mantra.com/jai
(Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:

No Meat, No Dairy, No Problem

Hindu Press International
Hinduism Today
http://www.hinduismtoday.com
Monday, January 2, 2012

New York, USA, December 29, 2011 (By Mark Bittman, food critic for
the NY Times) - Among your other resolutions -- do more good? make
more money? -- you've probably made the annual pledge to eat better,
although this concept may be more often reduced simply to "lose some
weight." The weight-loss obsession is both a national need and a
neurotic urge (those last five pounds really don't matter, either
cosmetically or medically). But most of us do need to eat "better."

If defining this betterness has become increasingly more difficult,
the core of the answer is known to everyone: eat more plants. And if
the diet that most starkly represents this -- veganism -- is no
longer considered bizarre or unreasonably spartan, neither is it
exactly mainstream.


Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use of
wood and paper products, electricity, roads and all types of
buildings, their own diet, etc... just as everyone else does.
What they try to avoid are products which provide life
(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
to avoid the following items containing animal by-products
in order to be successful:

tires, paper, upholstery, floor waxes, glass, water
filters, rubber, fertilizer, antifreeze, ceramics, insecticides,
insulation, linoleum, plastic, textiles, blood factors, collagen,
heparin, insulin, solvents, biodegradable detergents, herbicides,
gelatin capsules, adhesive tape, laminated wood products,
plywood, paneling, wallpaper and wallpaper paste, cellophane
wrap and tape, abrasives, steel ball bearings

The meat industry provides life for the animals that it
slaughters, and the animals live and die as a result of it
as animals do in other habitats. They also depend on it for
their lives as animals do in other habitats. If people consume
animal products from animals they think are raised in decent
ways, they will be promoting life for more such animals in the
future. People who want to contribute to decent lives for
livestock with their lifestyle must do it by being conscientious
consumers of animal products, because they can not do it by
being vegan.
From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat...that's well
over 500 servings of meat. From a grass raised dairy cow people
get thousands of dairy servings. Due to the influence of farm
machinery, and *icides, and in the case of rice the flooding and
draining of fields, one serving of soy or rice based product is
likely to involve more animal deaths than hundreds of servings
derived from grass raised animals. Grass raised animal products
contribute to fewer wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and
better lives for livestock than soy or rice products.
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Hindu Press International
Hinduism Today
http://www.hinduismtoday.com
Monday, January 2, 2012

New York, USA, December 29, 2011 (By Mark Bittman, food critic for
the NY Times) - Among your other resolutions -- do more good? make
more money? -- you've probably made the annual pledge to eat better,
although this concept may be more often reduced simply to "lose some
weight." The weight-loss obsession is both a national need and a
neurotic urge (those last five pounds really don't matter, either
cosmetically or medically). But most of us do need to eat "better."

If defining this betterness has become increasingly more difficult,
the core of the answer is known to everyone: eat more plants. And if
the diet that most starkly represents this -- veganism -- is no
longer considered bizarre or unreasonably spartan, neither is it
exactly mainstream.

Many vegan dishes, however, are already beloved: we eat fruit salad,
peanut butter and jelly, beans and rice, eggplant in garlic sauce. My
point here is to make semi-veganism work for you.These recipes serve
about four, and in all, the addition of salt and pepper is taken for
granted. This is not a gimmick or even a diet. It's a path, and the
smart resolution might be to get on it. Read them here.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...pagewanted=all

Source -
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/01/ma...pagewanted=all

http://www.hinduismtoday.com/blogs-n...lem/11754.html

More at:

Hinduism Today
http://www.hinduismtoday.com

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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The meat industry includes habitats in which a small
variety of animals are raised. The animals in those
habitats, as those in any other, are completely dependant
on them to not only sustain their lives, but they also
depend on them to provide the pairing of sperm and egg
that begins their particular existence. Those animals will
only live if people continue to raise them for food.

Animals that are born to other groups--such as wild
animals, pets, performing animals, etc.--are completely
different groups of animals. Regardless of how many or few
animals are born to these other groups, the billions of animals
which are raised for food will always be dependant on consumers
for their existence.

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[email protected] wrote
the billions of animals
which are raised for food will always be dependant on consumers
for their existence.


SO WHAT? As a consumer of meat and many other animal products, and a
supporter of most farming, I don't give a shit that livestock "depend on
consumers for their existence". That is a completely meaningless factoid.




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On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 16:08:21 -0800, "Dutch" wrote:

[email protected] wrote
the billions of animals
which are raised for food will always be dependant on consumers
for their existence.


SO WHAT? As a consumer of meat and many other animal products, and a
supporter of most farming, I don't give a shit that livestock "depend on
consumers for their existence". That is a completely meaningless factoid.


Not to those of us who honestly favor decent lives for livestock over
elimination. You get a DUUUUH!!! for that one, idiot child.
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[email protected] wrote in message ...
On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 16:08:21 -0800, "Dutch" wrote:

[email protected] wrote
the billions of animals
which are raised for food will always be dependant on consumers
for their existence.


SO WHAT? As a consumer of meat and many other animal products, and a
supporter of most farming, I don't give a shit that livestock "depend on
consumers for their existence". That is a completely meaningless factoid.


Not to those of us who honestly favor decent lives for livestock over
elimination.


So it somehow makes you feel good does it? How nice for you, and creepy.

FYI "decent lives" is the logical alternative to "bad lives", not to
"elimination", "elimination" is the alternative to lives of any quality.



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On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:44:16 -0800, "Dutch" wrote:

[email protected] wrote in message ...
On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 16:08:21 -0800, "Dutch" wrote:

[email protected] wrote
the billions of animals
which are raised for food will always be dependant on consumers
for their existence.

SO WHAT? As a consumer of meat and many other animal products, and a
supporter of most farming, I don't give a shit that livestock "depend on
consumers for their existence". That is a completely meaningless factoid.


Not to those of us who honestly favor decent lives for livestock over
elimination.


So it somehow makes you feel good does it? How nice for you, and creepy.


LOL!!! Is it "creepy" to you that I can appreciate the lives of livestock I
don't consume any parts of too...LOL...or only those I do? If both [chortle] do
you think it's *more* creepy that I appreciate those I do consume parts of than
those I don't? Why or why not?
.. . .
"elimination" is the alternative to lives of any quality.


Doy which is why anyone who honestly favors decent lives over elimination
should be opposed to elimination, doy again, and your inability to comprehend
much less appreciate that significant aspect of the situation is one of the ways
you reveal yourself, doy yet again.


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