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Old 23-06-2011, 11:10 PM posted to soc.culture.indian,,alt.religion.hindu,,alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 18:40:34 -0700 (PDT), Rupert

On Jun 22, 7:03*am, [email protected] wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 22:57:00 -0700 (PDT), Rupert

On Jun 21, 1:26*pm, [email protected] wrote:
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 17:27:32 GMT, and/

(Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:
Former Ronald McDonald Turns Vegetarian Activist

Hinduism Today Magazine
. . .
having a
tougher time now making their children understand the necessity and
the urgency of a nonviolent, vegetarian diet

* · Vegans contribute to the deaths of animals by their use of
wood and paper products, electricity, roads and all types of
buildings, their own diet, etc... just as everyone else does.
What they try to avoid are products which provide life
(and death) for farm animals, but even then they would have
to avoid the following items containing animal by-products
in order to be successful:

tires, paper, upholstery, floor waxes, glass, water
filters, rubber, fertilizer, antifreeze, ceramics, insecticides,
insulation, linoleum, plastic, textiles, blood factors, collagen,
heparin, insulin, solvents, biodegradable detergents, herbicides,
gelatin capsules, *adhesive tape, laminated wood products,
plywood, paneling, wallpaper and wallpaper paste, cellophane
wrap and tape, abrasives, steel ball bearings

* * The meat industry provides life for the animals that it
slaughters, and the animals live and die as a result of it
as animals do in other habitats. They also depend on it for
their lives as animals do in other habitats. If people consume
animal products from animals they think are raised in decent
ways, they will be promoting life for more such animals in the
future. People who want to contribute to decent lives for
livestock with their lifestyle must do it by being conscientious
consumers of animal products, because they can not do it by
being vegan.
* * From the life and death of a thousand pound grass raised
steer and whatever he happens to kill during his life, people
get over 500 pounds of human consumable meat...that's well
over 500 servings of meat. From a grass raised dairy cow people
get thousands of dairy servings. Due to the influence of farm
machinery, and *icides, and in the case of rice the flooding and
draining of fields, one serving of soy or rice based product is
likely to involve more animal deaths than hundreds of servings
derived from grass raised animals. Grass raised animal products
contribute to fewer wildlife deaths, better wildlife habitat, and
better lives for livestock than soy or rice products. ·

I type "grass raised beef Sydney" into Google and found this.

So, you would have me believe that the production of this beef causes
less deaths per serving than tofu? Is that the story?

* * That's it. I've already told you countless times why, and why grass raised
dairy is better than soy and especially rice milk. Since I've told you so many
times, instead of taking the time to tell you again I emailed a rep for the farm
and told her what I've been pointing out to you asking if she would confirm and
maybe add to it. If she does I'll pass it on to you and maybe you'll believe it
if someone like that lets you know. Of course she might tell me I'm wrong too,
and if so I'll pass it on anyway and also let you know if I believe it or not.

What would be your take on Matheny's article?

Do you think it is relevant to this issue?

It all is. I haven't looked into it a whole lot, but from what I've seen and
heard overall believe that rotational grazing would be the best way to go. I
don't know of Davis or Gaverick mentioning that specifically. Even using
rotational grazing it would depend on how it's done. Overall though I'm still
convinced that grass raised animal products involve fewer deaths than soy
products, and a LOT less than rice.

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