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Old 19-01-2004, 09:09 PM
ipse dixit
 
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:56:48 -0800, "Dutch" wrote:

"ipse dixit" wrote

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:54:50 -0800, "Dutch" wrote:

Large amounts of food can be obtained by *one death*, no cultivation, no
harvesting, no spraying, no decimation of indigenous wildlife.

And larger amounts of food can be obtained
without causing any deaths at all, such as crops
gown under glass, so stop lying and trying to
push meat onto people as the least-harm diet
when it clearly isn't, pusher.


Vegans are not just pushing a diet of greenhouse grown food, they push any
and all sorts of vegetables, grains and fruit, regardless of how they're
grown,


Straw man. Vegans do not promote veg regardless
of how it's grown. You'll need to support that claim.

and do so using the most lurid and hateful rhetoric they can muster.


You are trying but failing to divert attention away
from the point in that you are pushing meat onto
vegans as THE least-harm diet while knowing
a better vegetarian alternative is to eat crops
grown under glass or foraging. You're a pusher
peddling a lie to coerce ethical people into taking
a product they don't want or think ethical. Do you
understand what I'm getting at yet, pusher?

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Old 19-01-2004, 11:18 PM
Dutch
 
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"ipse dixit" wrote
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:56:48 -0800, "Dutch" wrote:

"ipse dixit" wrote

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:54:50 -0800, "Dutch" wrote:

Large amounts of food can be obtained by *one death*, no cultivation,

no
harvesting, no spraying, no decimation of indigenous wildlife.

And larger amounts of food can be obtained
without causing any deaths at all, such as crops
gown under glass, so stop lying and trying to
push meat onto people as the least-harm diet
when it clearly isn't, pusher.


Vegans are not just pushing a diet of greenhouse grown food, they push

any
and all sorts of vegetables, grains and fruit, regardless of how they're
grown,


Straw man. Vegans do not promote veg regardless
of how it's grown. You'll need to support that claim.


You're promoting disinformation now. Vegans promote the idea that
organically grown and local produce is the best, so do most omnivores.
Nonetheless they push the idea that vegetable based food is *categorically*
better than *any* meat wrt to animal death. Here's vegetarianism in a
nutshell from one of the leading vegetarian websites-
http://www.vrg.org/nutshell/nutshell.htm
They are pushing a vegetarian diet regardless of the source.


and do so using the most lurid and hateful rhetoric they can muster.


You are trying but failing to divert attention away
from the point


I'm not here to reinforce YOUR attempts at distraction. Vegan/ARA's use of
lurid rhetoric is indicative of their corrupt mindset.

in that you are pushing meat onto
vegans as THE least-harm diet


Meat is not a diet, it's a class of food. A diet *containing* pastured meat
would easily trump a diet containing an equivalent amount of agribusiness
plant foods. Here, read the article
http://courses.ats.rochester.edu/nob...-LeastHarm.htm.

while knowing
a better vegetarian alternative is to eat crops
grown under glass or foraging.


I have no objection to people eating hothouse veggies, I buy them myself,
but it's rather unrealistic to imply that all veggies, not to mention the
world's fruit and grains could be grown this way.

The point of the Davis article is that "pastured/ruminent model" offers an
alternative to the factory farmed vegetables that many people eat, and which
vegans *assume falsely* automatically cause less animal death than any meat
product.


You're a pusher
peddling a lie to coerce ethical people into taking
a product they don't want or think ethical.


Why would anyone buy something they don't want? I wouldn't.

Do you understand what I'm getting at yet, pusher?


Yes, I read you like a cheap paperback, you're attempting to distract from
the Davis et al findings regarding the advantages of the pastured/ruminant
model by resorting to schoolyard name-calling, that's nothing new for you.


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Old 20-01-2004, 12:53 PM
ipse dixit
 
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Default Thanks, jonnie: a good rebuttal

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:18:58 -0800, "Dutch" wrote:
"ipse dixit" wrote
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:56:48 -0800, "Dutch" wrote:
"ipse dixit" wrote
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:54:50 -0800, "Dutch" wrote:

Large amounts of food can be obtained by *one
death*, no cultivation, no harvesting, no spraying,
no decimation of indigenous wildlife.

And larger amounts of food can be obtained
without causing any deaths at all, such as crops
gown under glass, so stop lying and trying to
push meat onto people as the least-harm diet
when it clearly isn't, pusher.

Vegans are not just pushing a diet of greenhouse
grown food, they push any and all sorts of vegetables,
grains and fruit, regardless of how they're grown,


Straw man. Vegans do not promote veg regardless
of how it's grown. You'll need to support that claim.


You're promoting disinformation now. Vegans promote the idea that
organically grown and local produce is the best, so do most omnivores.


You haven't supported you claim. In fact you've
just contradicted it. You initially stated, "vegans
push any and all sorts of vegetables" etc., but now
you're stating, "Vegans promote the idea that
organically grown and local produce is the best..."
Make up your dull mind.

and do so using the most lurid and hateful rhetoric they can muster.


You are trying but failing to divert attention away
from the point


I'm not here to reinforce YOUR attempts at distraction.


It's your distraction away from the fact that you
are pushing a product onto people as the least-
harm diet that I'm bringing attention to. You
know it isn't the least-harm diet yet you continue
to promote it as such in the hope you'll persuade
people into buying it. You're a pusher, just like
any other pusher in the street pushing harmful
substances onto kids and telling them it'll be good
for them, and that it's entirely alright to take it.
Like them, you peddle your product by lying to
your target victim, pusher.
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Old 20-01-2004, 10:28 PM
Dutch
 
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Default Thanks, jonnie: a good rebuttal

"ipse dixit" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:18:58 -0800, "Dutch" wrote:
"ipse dixit" wrote
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:56:48 -0800, "Dutch" wrote:
"ipse dixit" wrote
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:54:50 -0800, "Dutch" wrote:

Large amounts of food can be obtained by *one
death*, no cultivation, no harvesting, no spraying,
no decimation of indigenous wildlife.

And larger amounts of food can be obtained
without causing any deaths at all, such as crops
gown under glass, so stop lying and trying to
push meat onto people as the least-harm diet
when it clearly isn't, pusher.

Vegans are not just pushing a diet of greenhouse
grown food, they push any and all sorts of vegetables,
grains and fruit, regardless of how they're grown,

Straw man. Vegans do not promote veg regardless
of how it's grown. You'll need to support that claim.


You're promoting disinformation now. Vegans promote the idea that
organically grown and local produce is the best, so do most omnivores.


You haven't supported you claim. In fact you've
just contradicted it. You initially stated, "vegans
push any and all sorts of vegetables" etc., but now
you're stating, "Vegans promote the idea that
organically grown and local produce is the best..."
Make up your dull mind.


You're just waaay to stupid for this..





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