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dh@. wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 15:06:47 -0800 (PST), wrote:
>
>> On Jan 28, 9:33 am, dh@. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:36:05 -0800 (PST), wrote:
>>>> Showing what goes on in
>>>> the meat industry would never make it on television. How different is
>>>> it really? It's too close to home. It would make us 'the bad guys',
>>>> but we are. We just don't want to know it.
>>> · Because there are so many different situations
>>> involved in the raising of meat animals, it is completely
>>> unfair to the animals to think of them all in the same
>>> way, as "ARAs" appear to do. To think that all of it is
>>> cruel, and to think of all animals which are raised for
>>> the production of food in the same way, oversimplifies
>>> and distorts one's interpretation of the way things
>>> really are. Just as it would to think that there is no
>>> cruelty or abuse at all.
>>>
>>> Beef cattle spend nearly their entire lives outside
>>> grazing, which is not a bad way to live. Veal are
>>> confined to such a degree that they appear to have
>>> terrible lives, so there's no reason to think of both
>>> groups of animals in the same way.
>>> Chickens raised as fryers and broilers, and egg
>>> producers who are in a cage free environment--as well as
>>> the birds who parent all of them, and the birds who parent
>>> battery hens--are raised in houses, but not in cages. The
>>> lives of those birds are not bad. Battery hens are confined
>>> to cages, and have what appear to be terrible lives, so
>>> there is no reason to think of battery hens and the other
>>> groups in the same way. ·
>>
>> Hey, I agree with you in some of your points, that there're
>> significant differences between different productions. However, how do
>> we determine who of them have a better live or a worst live. According
>> to who or what the animals have or not have a pleasant life. I
>> believe that there's no "perfect" production system where animals
>> don't have any stress at all. But I also believe that we tend to
>> "humanize" animals needs. For example, if we talk about space and we
>> compare two different reproductive herds of sows where one is hosed in
>> big pens, with other sows and plenty space to move; and the other herd
>> is housed in individual crates, lined up all through the barn, and
>> with huge move limitations, it would be easy to think that the second
>> group is having a horrible live experience. But it is right here when
>> we are humanizing their needs by thinking in that way, because if we
>> measure the levels of cortisol in the sows of both groups (knowing
>> that cortisol is the major substance released by the pigs in stress
>> situations) we can see no difference in the level of stress between
>> both groups. Even if their stressors are different, they actually live
>> in the same level of stress. So, what or who can tell us which group
>> has the better live?
>
> We could start by considering whether or not it's likely that
> some method could be overly restrictive.

****wit, you can't talk on this topic at all. You're
uneducated and STUPID. You're not a thinker; never
were. You're a bullshitting cracker who breeds and
fights dogs and cocks. You have no credibility on
anything.

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