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skirt-boy: burden of proof not met
Rupert wrote:
> On Aug 1, 11:06 am, Rudy Canoza > wrote: >> On Jul 31, 3:29 pm, Rupert > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Aug 1, 8:03 am, Rupert > wrote: >>>> On Aug 1, 7:56 am, Rudy Canoza > wrote: >>>>> On Jul 31, 2:52 pm, Rupert > wrote: >>>>>> On Aug 1, 1:09 am, Rudy Canoza > wrote: >>>>>>> Rupert wrote: >>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 4:34 pm, Rupert > wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 3:40 pm, Rudy Canoza > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Rupert wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 12:29 am, Rudy Canoza > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Rupert wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2:38 am, Rudy Canoza > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rupert wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 1:52 am, Rudy Canoza > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rupert wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 29, 1:56 am, Rudy Canoza > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rupert wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 29, 1:10 am, Rudy Canoza > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rupert wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 29, 12:58 am, Rudy Canoza > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rupert wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 3:22 pm, Rudy Canoza > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guppy the Corpse Pumper wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 27, 2:08 pm, Rudy Canoza > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 27, 12:52 pm, shrubkiller > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 27, 1:42 am, Rudy Canoza > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rupie, you lisping fruit: you assert that (non-human) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> animals are due equal moral consideration (compared >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with humans). You haven't established that. Get busy, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you lisping utilitarian fruit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why would anyone have to prove something which is SELF EVIDENT? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not self-evident. In fact, it is more likely self-evidently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> false. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More proof that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The proposition of equal moral considerability of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> animals (with humans) is self evidently false. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, surely if I can be criticized for making an assertion without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meeting by burden of proof, then this assertion of yours here can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equally be criticized on that basis. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just following your lead. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see. Well, that blabber of mine to which I directed you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mean, you did ask me to defend my position in your opening post. So >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I direct you towards a considered attempt at a defence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Post the content here, skirt-boy. I'm not interested >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in signing up for your fruit-display Yahoo group.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think you have to sign up to the Yahoo group to download the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> file. Dutch did it and I don't think he signed up. It's too long to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put in a newsgroup message. Maybe I'll put it on my webpage. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, anyway, by your own admission you dismissed my talk as "babble" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without having read a single word of it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know that you assume that which you are required to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prove. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, yes. You know a lot, Rudy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right - I do. I do know that you still assume in your >>>>>>>>>>>>>> little sermon that animals are entitled to equal moral >>>>>>>>>>>>>> consideration, when that premise is the very thing you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are tasked to show. You haven't shown it, and we all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> know you can't. >>>>>>>>>>>>> You asked me for an argument. I gave you one. >>>>>>>>>>>> You didn't. You merely repeated the assertion you >>>>>>>>>>>> can't seem to support. >>>>>>>>>>> Okay, this is your response to my talk? >>>>>>>>>> What talk? The unsupported blabber about animals being >>>>>>>>>> due equal consideration?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> I directed you to a document in the Files section of my Yahoo group. >>>>>>>>> Have you actually managed to download it yet? Or are you unable to >>>>>>>>> download it without joining my Yahoo group and do you want me to put >>>>>>>>> it up on my webpage?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>> I've put it on my webpage for you. How could I refuse, when you asked >>>>>>>> so nicely? >>>>>>>> http://rupertmccallum.com/animal%20rights%20talk.doc >>>>>>> What laughable bullshit! >>>>>>> Here I want to discuss a short argument for this >>>>>>> conclusion which would probably be accepted as >>>>>>> sound, with perhaps some qualifications, by almost >>>>>>> all philosophers who hold the view that using >>>>>>> animals in scientific research is wrong. >>>>>>> In other words, people who have *ALREADY* reached the >>>>>>> very conclusion you're attempting to prove! HA HA HA >>>>>>> HA HA! You ****ing DILETTANTE fruit! "Philosopher" my >>>>>>> ass... >>>>>> Is that your response, then? >>>>> Yes, you circular ****wit. You explicitly acknowledge that you are >>>>> assuming the very thing you are tasked with proving. What a ****ing >>>>> chump.- Hide quoted text - >>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>> Jolly good. Let me just say that I cannot believe what a joke you are. >>>> The idea that any respectable university ever gave you a Ph.D. is >>>> quite absurd. I will publish your response on my webpage along with my >>>> reply.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> It's up there. Your move. >>> http://rupertmccallum.com/debate.html >> Take the name off your page, fruit.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Why? Take it down, rupie. |
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