OK, Peter, I'm not normally one to lose it but you have managed to
help me do so. So here is my invitation: To come down from high and
ground yourself a bit, tea is an excellent way to do it if tea is
pursued for the right reasons and we are all more than willing to have
another friend.

Now, because of your misinformation and FUD I'm going to offer some
information on this Google thing called RFDT... or maybe Usenet... or
is it Google Usenet? Oh wait but you are "regularly ranked in the top
ten consultants in the world in the IT field" so you must know this.

Here is some information:

Amazon.com Review of "The Freedom Economy"
** (out of 5)
A manager's garden of misinformation...., October 9, 2001
Reviewer: A reader
I bought this book because it sounded like the authors had a clear
picture of the way ahead in mobile commerce. Unfortunately, it does
not live up to this promise. Some of the case studies and analyses are
thought-provoking. For example, the classification of a mobile
application as a 'feature', 'convenience', or 'freedom' is a good way
to evaluate its worth. However, the good parts are offset by
convoluted writing, repetition, and errors in both facts and analysis.
We learn that SMS is a 'Simple Messaging System' (it really stands for
'Short Message Service'). The authors also seem confused about WAP, a
suite of standards designed to work with cellular networks and limited
mobile devices. Equating WAP with early personal computers, the
authors paint WAP as being slow and a 'convenience'. The real
limitation here is current 2G networks and handsets, not WAP (which
actually helps things run faster and more reliably).

I did manage to wade through the entire book, but the technical errors
and stream-of-conciousness (unedited?) writing made this a chore.
Sadly at the end of this, I do not feel that this book does much to
clear the muddied waters of mobile commerce...

.... oh, and 35 are available used from $0.17. Yep seventeen cents. So
everyone hurry out to get a copy.

Amazon.com
*** (out of 5)
Glossary is not Cross Referenced as Advertised, February 6, 1997
Reviewer: A reader
Mr. Keen's idea for the format of this book is good and the front
cover tauts 40 additional new terms that were not included in the
First Edition. The idea behind this book is that if you look up one
term in the glossary (95% of this book is a glossary) at the end of
the entry for the term you looked up there is a list of additional
terms to cross reference for a more in-depth understanding of the
concepts presented. For example: You can look up EDI or Electronic
Data Interchange. It will cross reference you to an entry for
"PLATFORM". You can look up the term "Architecture" and it will also
cross reference and guide you to read the entry for "PLATFORM". You
can look up the term "Network" and it will also instruct you to cross
reference the listing for the term, "PLATFORM". HOWEVER, WHEN YOU GO
TO LOOK UP "PLATFORM", IT IS NOT LISTED ANYWHERE IN THE BOOK! IT IS
ALSO NOT INCLUDED IN THE INDEX. The copy editors get paid big bucks to
check out this kind of thing and they totally blew it!..Especially,
Harvard Business School Press as the publisher should know better. You
can expect this kind of thing to happen with the first edition must it
should not happen in the 2nd edition.

(so you got two editions of a book which is basically a big Glossary,
and yet it suffers from editing and focus issues too. hmmm)

Some more information:

Most of the books "you wrote" they seem to have quite a number of co-
authors, and you seem to contribute a section or two... and then there
are the few that you wrote by yourself and amazingly they all seem to
falter and are lacking as seen from the reviews. Here is a link to
help visualize it:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/se...G.%20W.%20Keen

>From your old site... (why was it taken down to a 404 error? c'mon
your a top consultant and top 100 "guru" a website should be nothing)

"three years, he has worked in Mexico, Slovenia, Canada, Australia,
Germany, The Netherlands, Spain, Finland, Denmark, Poland, the United
States, Slovenia, the UK, France, Sweden, Switzerland, Portugal, and
Chile."

So you spent what 1-2 months at each place? You must be amazing to be
able to contribute meaningful and in-depth solutions, knowledge,
consulting, teaching, thinking, and whatever else all in the span of
30-60 days in so many countries.

Here's our boy: http://premierespeakers.com/peter_keen/video/2392

Back to that top 100 guru line that is so pervasive but mysteriously
absent from anywhere but in your tag lines... care to share a link or
the full story on it?

------------------------

OK, so enough now. You are who you are, personally, I see you as
bullshit... but I'd rather folks make up their own minds. What I want
you to see is that everyone can puff their chest and spin and distort
themselves to be anything (especially on the Internet), and it is even
easier to begin to believe your own hype. But honestly come back down
to ground level and try honesty and harmony and balance. And even more
so, just be a normal guy, we'll still respect you...maybe more.

- Dominic

I'm Switzerland.

I didn't find pgwk to be aloof or parading himself as high and mighty
in matters of tea or any other. Look, this board is about tea, and
pgwk was asking for TEA recommendations. To quote pgwk in his orginal
post:

"I am a pygmy in the field and neither knowledgeable nor an industry
expert, but I do have some visibility in the business and academic
fields, where a few people are finding out about my interest in tea
and my forthcoming book."

Whatever ensued in the other thread that is non-tea related...just
ignore them. I didn't even bother to read anybody's rant, including
pgwk's own, about Space Cowboy.

I've experienced and mediated tougher online quarrels before as a
moderator of a wine forum (drunk democrats vs. drunk republicans...all
accomplished individuals, imagine that!). This is nothing.

Lighten up, people. Or should we change this board name to:
Rec.Food.Drink.Tea.And.Character.Assasination?

Phyll

On Jun 8, 3:43 pm, Phyll > wrote:
> I'm Switzerland.
>
> I didn't find pgwk to be aloof or parading himself as high and mighty
> in matters of tea or any other. Look, this board is about tea, and
> pgwk was asking for TEA recommendations. To quote pgwk in his orginal
> post:
>
> "I am a pygmy in the field and neither knowledgeable nor an industry
> expert, but I do have some visibility in the business and academic
> fields, where a few people are finding out about my interest in tea
> and my forthcoming book."
>
> Whatever ensued in the other thread that is non-tea related...just
> ignore them. I didn't even bother to read anybody's rant, including
> pgwk's own, about Space Cowboy.
>
> I've experienced and mediated tougher online quarrels before as a
> moderator of a wine forum (drunk democrats vs. drunk republicans...all
> accomplished individuals, imagine that!). This is nothing.
>
> Lighten up, people. Or should we change this board name to:
> Rec.Food.Drink.Tea.And.Character.Assasination?
>
> Phyll

It takes a lot for someone to get under my skin, but this guy managed
to. If you look through all of my posts here you could count on one
hand the number of times I have got angry at someone. All of them
involve scams, unscrupulous merchants, SPAM, or outright lies.

I'm not sticking up for or attacking anyone, what I wanted to do was
to bring things back to reality. I hate when people trump themselves
up falsely especially in the field of IT. I have no tolerance for
"consultants" who are full of it. I've been in this field a long time
and have seen my share, and I've seen the aftermath. Small businesses
having to close up shop due to bad consultants only concerned about
lining their own pockets, and the general fleecing of undeserving
folks. It hits a nerve in the very core of my body.

This guy has all the hallmarks. Half-truths and deception. Do a Google
search for Peter Keen. Notice how each and every hit is the same blurb
about his status as "Top 100 business guru" but it is never finished
with the full real "award" which was actually just a survey and even
that is nowhere to be found. But every blurb cites it. He has written
"30 books" when in reality many are small sections and co-authoring.
He works for all of these universities, but really he has been
supplanted at Delft, and teaches small elective lectures that span all
of 4 hours and are self-promoting his books... I wonder what book is
required for the "class."

I work in higher education, and have for some time. I have seen many
folks just like this, and sadly they are tolerated and earn a pretty
penny at it too. I have no patience for it, and then to have a
"pygmy's" knowledge but write a scholars book is WRONG! And then to
claim this is some little event for no gain that he needs some help
selecting a few teas for (and leaving many out due to lack of
knowledge or proper skill to brew) is just stupid. It's bullshit, and
I'm calling it. Plain and simple.

Now if Mike Petro were to be giving a talk on Pu-erh and plugging a
book I would be first in line to buy it and support him... why?
because he is a damn authority on his topic and has never had any
financial or alterior motive here on RFDT EVER.

It is that simple.

- Dominic

On Jun 8, 4:08 pm, "Dominic T." > wrote:
> Now if Mike Petro were to be giving a talk on Pu-erh and plugging a
> book

there's a good idea

Hi Dominic.....

Neat and I actually enjoyed reading it. It's entertaining and it must
have taken you many hours to uncover all my frauds. There's one you
missed, though, the dark secret I have carried in my conscience for
fifteen long years, hoping that no brilliant cyberhater would ever
find it. But I now must come clean. There is a typo in my 1992 book,
Shaping the Future. I feel so much better now that is in the open.

Let it go. I'm not worth your abuse and it won't affect me beyond mild
amusement; it's not accurate enough to upset me. In your own bizarre
way you are actually marketing me; when you find a negative review of
any of my books, you point to the positive ones. When you query my
international experience, you highlight it. When you doubt my top 10
IT consultants/top 100 management guru status, you are merely saying
that I must be lying and someone will say "No, he's not." I won't give
you the links to the evidence; anyone interested can find them. Why
tell lies, though? I have to my knowledge never once assigned a book
of mine to a course in ten years. I wasn't "supplanted" at Delft and
don't just do four hour lectures; as you must know, I spent four
months teaching in Singapore last year full-time. Tell me who I have
"fleeced" as a consultant. I don't write "small" sections in my books;
that's an untruth. There are academic books where I have a chapter or
so but that is standard practice. My best-known books are not co-
authored. One that you panned was identified by CI Magazine as one of
the top 10 IT books in the 1990s -- all my own. Why bother with all
this, for heaven's sake?

I took my site down, since you ask, for security reasons - Space
Cowboy dangers. I am just a swell-headed, bullshit fraud or whatever,
whose books are rubbish according to "editor" Domimic. But SC is a
sexual pervert; I can't at the moment send anyone his alt.sex.movies
stuff because they are too vile. Just think of the filthiest words you
know. They are all in his postings about the physical aspects of
Reverse Cowgirls and Buttman. I have a nagging sense that you are in
fact not Dominic but SC in another e-mail incarnation. This is not a
"rant" on my part but a very real worry and an alarm call. So, Phyll,
my apologies for what you see as a rant; it wasn't meant to be and I
really regret being so stupid as to draw attention to a situation that
I saw as.... well, never mind. Let me recant the "rant". He's the
group's problem, not mine, now.

Just for the group's information..... My interest in tea is fairly long
standing but my passion came from two things - an illness and getting
bored with my business work. I am not quite as rich as SC and Dominic
assume and I am not really a business person, just an academic,
writer, teacher and public speaker whose business income funds the
things I really want to do, like writing and charity work. When I got
ill two years ago, it was not life threatening but kinda nasty. My
energy disappeared and I found I was becoming a hypochondriac and
always worried about the next pain attack and hospital visit.
Hallucinating on meds while being hydrated intravenously wasn't on my
career agenda. I was able to churn out lots of academic articles but
my book writing was stuck; I had lost the zest and my style was flat
and listless. So, I thought about what I really, really wanted to
write about. Tea. So, tea has become my central interest and joy and,
no, I don't know how to reliably brew a Gyokuro but I know what I
don't know and I find good people to help me learn. I discovered RFDT
with joy. I leave it with regret and disgust.

Why should it be such a cause for attack to write a book? I do know
more about some aspects of tea that anyone in the group, simply
because I bring a different lens for looking at it. I know a lot about
labor economics, history, supply chain management, e-commerce,
international business and literature, for instance. Why does Dominic/
Space Cowboy (I do think they are the same person, but that may be
just a "rant") bother to sit and comb the web to find as much negative
information about me as he can? It makes no sense. Why reject my offer
to provide a bibliography of the best tea books? Again, no sense. The
tea event? I can bring together 350 people at a top NY hotel and want
to make that an opportunity for people in the group. Who else in the
group is doing so? Why the violent Dominic/SC assault?

So ave atque vale, as them there Romans used to say. Dominic, have
fun. I won't tell you which page the typo is on but I am sure you can
find it.

By the way, what on earth does any of this have to do with tea?



On Jun 8, 4:08 pm, "Dominic T." > wrote:
> On Jun 8, 3:43 pm, Phyll > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I'm Switzerland.
>
> > I didn't find pgwk to be aloof or parading himself as high and mighty
> > in matters of tea or any other. Look, this board is about tea, and
> > pgwk was asking for TEA recommendations. To quote pgwk in his orginal
> > post:
>
> > "I am a pygmy in the field and neither knowledgeable nor an industry
> > expert, but I do have some visibility in the business and academic
> > fields, where a few people are finding out about my interest in tea
> > and my forthcoming book."
>
> > Whatever ensued in the other thread that is non-tea related...just
> > ignore them. I didn't even bother to read anybody's rant, including
> > pgwk's own, about Space Cowboy.
>
> > I've experienced and mediated tougher online quarrels before as a
> > moderator of a wine forum (drunk democrats vs. drunk republicans...all
> > accomplished individuals, imagine that!). This is nothing.
>
> > Lighten up, people. Or should we change this board name to:
> > Rec.Food.Drink.Tea.And.Character.Assasination?
>
> > Phyll
>
> It takes a lot for someone to get under my skin, but this guy managed
> to. If you look through all of my posts here you could count on one
> hand the number of times I have got angry at someone. All of them
> involve scams, unscrupulous merchants, SPAM, or outright lies.
>
> I'm not sticking up for or attacking anyone, what I wanted to do was
> to bring things back to reality. I hate when people trump themselves
> up falsely especially in the field of IT. I have no tolerance for
> "consultants" who are full of it. I've been in this field a long time
> and have seen my share, and I've seen the aftermath. Small businesses
> having to close up shop due to bad consultants only concerned about
> lining their own pockets, and the general fleecing of undeserving
> folks. It hits a nerve in the very core of my body.
>
> This guy has all the hallmarks. Half-truths and deception. Do a Google
> search for Peter Keen. Notice how each and every hit is the same blurb
> about his status as "Top 100 business guru" but it is never finished
> with the full real "award" which was actually just a survey and even
> that is nowhere to be found. But every blurb cites it. He has written
> "30 books" when in reality many are small sections and co-authoring.
> He works for all of these universities, but really he has been
> supplanted at Delft, and teaches small elective lectures that span all
> of 4 hours and are self-promoting his books... I wonder what book is
> required for the "class."
>
> I work in higher education, and have for some time. I have seen many
> folks just like this, and sadly they are tolerated and earn a pretty
> penny at it too. I have no patience for it, and then to have a
> "pygmy's" knowledge but write a scholars book is WRONG! And then to
> claim this is some little event for no gain that he needs some help
> selecting a few teas for (and leaving many out due to lack of
> knowledge or proper skill to brew) is just stupid. It's bullshit, and
> I'm calling it. Plain and simple.
>
> Now if Mike Petro were to be giving a talk on Pu-erh and plugging a
> book I would be first in line to buy it and support him... why?
> because he is a damn authority on his topic and has never had any
> financial or alterior motive here on RFDT EVER.
>
> It is that simple.
>
> - Dominic- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

On Jun 8, 5:09 pm, pgwk > wrote:
> Hi Dominic.....

I've made my point, you've made yours, and with Usenet it is now
archived forever. Oh, and again I've given you all of my information,
so I'm not sure how you can suppose SC and I are one in the same. But
your a top IT guy, you know (just as you are clearly aware of how to
properly log and secure a simple web page). Let me let you in on a
secret I have a background in forensics and law enforcement as well as
IT, so I have no reason to lie or attack anyone... unless deserved,
which is the only time I ever have and my record clearly shows that.

I have no interest in anything but truth and honesty, which is why I
use my full name and hide behind nothing.

I'm here purely for tea, folks personally interested in tea, and the
never ending cycle of learning about it and the cultures and
histories. I am not here for people like you, and I do not respect
people like you in real life or on the vast tubes of the Internet. I
tried to be nice, it failed miserably, so I took it to the next level.
I never told anyone what to think, just packaged up freely available
information for this Google chat room we use.

Again, I've already moved on but I must have struck something to cause
a multi-paragraph rabid rambling response with no actual fact or
rebuttal. Hmm.

- Dominic

P.S. I would still like for you to link to the Top 100 Guru survey, I
think folks who are interested in your book and you personally would
like to read about it and it would only serve to show how wrong I am.
That would only take a few keystrokes, not paragraphs, and would make
me look the fool.