Would you know if there is a recipe for SD bread that is low carb? Is
it an impossibility?

On 6/2/04 5:24 PM, "gondial" > wrote:

> Would you know if there is a recipe for SD bread that is low carb? Is
> it an impossibility?
>
Depends on your definition of "carb".

If you consider bad "carb" to mean: sugar or white flour or refined grain
and vegetable products then...

Anything you want to make with whole wheat, whole rye, whole spelt, whole
barley, whole triticale, millet, quinoa... any whole grain or combination
will provide essential minerals, vitamins, fiber and complex, low insulin
trigger, "good" carbohydrates. Your pancreas, liver and kidneys love grain.

They hate donuts, soft drinks and Atkins.

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>ondial
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>Would you know if there is a recipe for SD bread that is low carb? Is
>it an impossibility?
>

They sell a mix to true believers.

Of course, who in their right mind would make sourdough bread from a mix?

http://www.lowcarbsonline.com/produc...roducts_id/352

gondial > wrote:

> Would you know if there is a recipe for SD bread that is low carb?

You can use a low-carb flour, hemp is one. I have mixed it into whole wheat
flours and combining with flax seed meal and extra gluten made a bread that
has a much lower carb profile than simple whole wheat. You can also add more
oil to lower the carb / total calorie ratio.

--
Cliff Stamp
http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/

The one unforgivable sin, the offence against one's own integrity,
is to accept anything at all simply on authority -- Maureen Johnson Long

Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm. -- Publilius Syrus

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> gondial > wrote:
>
> > Would you know if there is a recipe for SD bread that is low carb?
>
> You can use a low-carb flour, hemp is one. I have mixed it into whole
wheat
> flours and combining with flax seed meal and extra gluten made a bread
that
> has a much lower carb profile than simple whole wheat. You can also add
more
> oil to lower the carb / total calorie ratio.
>

I have been curious as to whether the long rises for sourdough bread would
more completely exhaust the sugars in the wheat and produce a lower carb
result than the usual yeast bread with way too mcuh yeast in it?

Ellen

>>
>>Would you know if there is a recipe for SD bread that is low carb? Is
>>it an impossibility?
>>
>
>They sell a mix to true believers.
>
>Of course, who in their right mind would make sourdough bread from a mix?
>
>http://www.lowcarbsonline.com/produc...roducts_id/352
>
Now now, religious beliefs are not a fit topic for mockery. (or even healthy
scepticism, in these PC times (yes, I agree, I'm off-topic.)).

Nested parentheses!

Time to go.

John

At 02:06 PM 6/4/2004, Ellen wrote:

>I have been curious as to whether the long rises for sourdough bread would
>more completely exhaust the sugars in the wheat and produce a lower carb
>result than the usual yeast bread with way too mcuh yeast in it?


Absolutely - the longer fermentation goes on, the more is converted.

CO2, Acids, water are fermentation byproducts but no carbos and every
milligram of less carbo counts with this idiocy.

Just look at the supermarkets - low carb this, low carb that - soon they
will come up with something to have low carb sex, or promote abstinence
(for the other side) to reduce carb intake.

This low carb fad and the stupidity behind it is amazing.

Somebody must be buying the stuff, or it would not be produced and the meat
industry sure is throwing parties for pulling that off.

Yeah - reduce your carbos, buy our stuff and be happier!

I read an article recently that bakeries are having reduced sales because
of this fad and are coming up with "reduced carb" bread to counteract - the
disease spreads - even into this newsgroup!


Samartha






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>This low carb fad and the stupidity behind it is amazing.
>
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>
>Samartha
>

"A fool and his money easily are parted"

John

"Samartha" > wrote in message
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> At 02:06 PM 6/4/2004, Ellen wrote:
>
> >I have been curious as to whether the long rises for sourdough bread
would
> >more completely exhaust the sugars in the wheat and produce a lower carb
> >result than the usual yeast bread with way too mcuh yeast in it?
>
>
> Absolutely - the longer fermentation goes on, the more is converted.
>
> CO2, Acids, water are fermentation byproducts but no carbos and every
> milligram of less carbo counts with this idiocy.
>
> Just look at the supermarkets - low carb this, low carb that - soon they
> will come up with something to have low carb sex, or promote abstinence
> (for the other side) to reduce carb intake.
>

Well I am not going to get into that war :-) My hubby's cardio just insisted
that he go on a modified South Beach Diet and we were discussing whether
home made long cool rise sourdough would be lower carb -- he likes wheat
bread well enough but he really likes home made sourdough and I said I was
sure (based on no particular science) that it was lower carb :-)

Ellen

On 6/5/04 10:57 AM, "Samartha" >
wrote:

> At 02:06 PM 6/4/2004, Ellen wrote:
>
>> I have been curious as to whether the long rises for sourdough bread would
>> more completely exhaust the sugars in the wheat and produce a lower carb
>> result than the usual yeast bread with way too mcuh yeast in it?
>
>
> Absolutely - the longer fermentation goes on, the more is converted.
>
> CO2, Acids, water are fermentation byproducts but no carbos and every
> milligram of less carbo counts with this idiocy.
>
> Just look at the supermarkets - low carb this, low carb that - soon they
> will come up with something to have low carb sex, or promote abstinence
> (for the other side) to reduce carb intake.
>
> This low carb fad and the stupidity behind it is amazing.
>
> Somebody must be buying the stuff, or it would not be produced and the meat
> industry sure is throwing parties for pulling that off.
>
> Yeah - reduce your carbos, buy our stuff and be happier!
>
> I read an article recently that bakeries are having reduced sales because
> of this fad and are coming up with "reduced carb" bread to counteract - the
> disease spreads - even into this newsgroup!
>
>
> Samartha
>
>
Samartha,

Your post, above, made me smile. Low carb seems to be the newest segment in
the 15 aisles of embalmed food we've already accepted. But the parties are
not being thrown by the meat folks, or Kraft, ConAgra, etc... Big
Pharmaceutical owns the casino. What could be better than another emerging
class of self-inflicted metabolic di$order$ to test and treat. Get your
government prescription card ready! (rant! rant!)

I used to think the cattle had it bad. Born for market sacrifice. Fed
rations only aggressive antibiotics and hormone therapy could promote. A
short, miserable life in crowded feedlots. Then I found myself one day at a
Wal-Mart SuperStore...

Moo! the cashier said and dared me to deny it.

Will
















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Hold on ladies and gentlemen;
By the time the holidays draw nigh the low carb craze will be over.
They will shortly find and publish that this diet not only directly
contributes to heart disease but end stage renal disease from all the
heavy proteins. IT will also show how this diet contributes to cancers
of all types.
We will soon be back on the carbo road.
I have a friend who tells everyone what a great low carber she is.
Guess what? When we dine out she will get a platter of spaghetti and
devour all of it then tell us she is eating it to get a brain boost.
She could have that by eating a well balanced meal.

Samartha wrote:

> At 02:06 PM 6/4/2004, Ellen wrote:
>
>> I have been curious as to whether the long rises for sourdough bread
>> would
>> more completely exhaust the sugars in the wheat and produce a lower carb
>> result than the usual yeast bread with way too mcuh yeast in it?
>
>
>
> Absolutely - the longer fermentation goes on, the more is converted.
>
> CO2, Acids, water are fermentation byproducts but no carbos and every
> milligram of less carbo counts with this idiocy.
>
> Just look at the supermarkets - low carb this, low carb that - soon they
> will come up with something to have low carb sex, or promote abstinence
> (for the other side) to reduce carb intake.
>
> This low carb fad and the stupidity behind it is amazing.
>
> Somebody must be buying the stuff, or it would not be produced and the
> meat industry sure is throwing parties for pulling that off.
>
> Yeah - reduce your carbos, buy our stuff and be happier!
>
> I read an article recently that bakeries are having reduced sales
> because of this fad and are coming up with "reduced carb" bread to
> counteract - the disease spreads - even into this newsgroup!
>
>
> Samartha
>
>
>
>
>
>
> remove "-nospam" when replying, and it's in my email address

Everyone wants an easy out! It is the long term problems of this
diet that will fill hospitals.

Wcsjohn wrote:

> <snip>>
>
>>This low carb fad and the stupidity behind it is amazing.
>>
>
> <snip>
>
>>Samartha
>>
>
>
> "A fool and his money easily are parted"
>
> John
>

Besides when it is hotly sliced the butter goes on it so very well.
Butter=no carbs.

Ellen wrote:

> "Samartha" > wrote in message
> news:mailman.1086451105.4219.rec.food.sourdough@ww w.mountainbitwarrior.com...
>
>>At 02:06 PM 6/4/2004, Ellen wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I have been curious as to whether the long rises for sourdough bread
>
> would
>
>>>more completely exhaust the sugars in the wheat and produce a lower carb
>>>result than the usual yeast bread with way too mcuh yeast in it?
>>
>>
>>Absolutely - the longer fermentation goes on, the more is converted.
>>
>>CO2, Acids, water are fermentation byproducts but no carbos and every
>>milligram of less carbo counts with this idiocy.
>>
>>Just look at the supermarkets - low carb this, low carb that - soon they
>>will come up with something to have low carb sex, or promote abstinence
>>(for the other side) to reduce carb intake.
>>
>
>
> Well I am not going to get into that war :-) My hubby's cardio just insisted
> that he go on a modified South Beach Diet and we were discussing whether
> home made long cool rise sourdough would be lower carb -- he likes wheat
> bread well enough but he really likes home made sourdough and I said I was
> sure (based on no particular science) that it was lower carb :-)
>
> Ellen
>
>

Your description has me rofl. I would never step a foot in a Walmart
once I drove up and saw the cattle pouring out along with any number of
pigs.

williamwaller wrote:

> On 6/5/04 10:57 AM, "Samartha" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>At 02:06 PM 6/4/2004, Ellen wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I have been curious as to whether the long rises for sourdough bread would
>>>more completely exhaust the sugars in the wheat and produce a lower carb
>>>result than the usual yeast bread with way too mcuh yeast in it?
>>
>>
>>Absolutely - the longer fermentation goes on, the more is converted.
>>
>>CO2, Acids, water are fermentation byproducts but no carbos and every
>>milligram of less carbo counts with this idiocy.
>>
>>Just look at the supermarkets - low carb this, low carb that - soon they
>>will come up with something to have low carb sex, or promote abstinence
>>(for the other side) to reduce carb intake.
>>
>>This low carb fad and the stupidity behind it is amazing.
>>
>>Somebody must be buying the stuff, or it would not be produced and the meat
>>industry sure is throwing parties for pulling that off.
>>
>>Yeah - reduce your carbos, buy our stuff and be happier!
>>
>>I read an article recently that bakeries are having reduced sales because
>>of this fad and are coming up with "reduced carb" bread to counteract - the
>>disease spreads - even into this newsgroup!
>>
>>
>>Samartha
>>
>>
>
> Samartha,
>
> Your post, above, made me smile. Low carb seems to be the newest segment in
> the 15 aisles of embalmed food we've already accepted. But the parties are
> not being thrown by the meat folks, or Kraft, ConAgra, etc... Big
> Pharmaceutical owns the casino. What could be better than another emerging
> class of self-inflicted metabolic di$order$ to test and treat. Get your
> government prescription card ready! (rant! rant!)
>
> I used to think the cattle had it bad. Born for market sacrifice. Fed
> rations only aggressive antibiotics and hormone therapy could promote. A
> short, miserable life in crowded feedlots. Then I found myself one day at a
> Wal-Mart SuperStore...
>
> Moo! the cashier said and dared me to deny it.
>
> Will
>
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"Samartha" > wrote in message =
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m...

> ... This low carb fad and the stupidity behind it is amazing ...

The Atkins diet can be effective, but it would not include much
bread, if any. Low-carb promotions can certainly be deceitful.

When I first learned about nutritional chemistry, there was a=20
truism "fat is burned in the flame of protein metabolism". I think
it is still considered true, and may be part of the Atkins
rationale.

There may be some infinitesimal advantage from the higher
protein flours intended for bread. There is not a whole lot of
difference calorically between white and whole-grain wheat
flour. Fiber of WW might be taken as an advantage by fiber
buffs, but is antithetical to the Atkins strategy.

Some people might be interested in this article:
http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psycho.../TheAtkinsDie=
t.htm

In any case, bread can make you fat, and probably will if you=20
are a non-athletic bread fancier.

--=20
Dick Adams
<firstname> dot <lastname> at bigfoot dot com

Dolkian > wrote in message
...
> Your description has me rofl. I would never step a foot in a Walmart
> once I drove up and saw the cattle pouring out along with any number of
> pigs.
>
> williamwaller wrote:
>
> > On 6/5/04 10:57 AM, "Samartha" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>At 02:06 PM 6/4/2004, Ellen wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I have been curious as to whether the long rises for sourdough bread
would
> >>>more completely exhaust the sugars in the wheat and produce a lower
carb
> >>>result than the usual yeast bread with way too mcuh yeast in it?
> >>
> >>
> >>Absolutely - the longer fermentation goes on, the more is converted.
> >>
> >>CO2, Acids, water are fermentation byproducts but no carbos and every
> >>milligram of less carbo counts with this idiocy.
> >>
> >>Just look at the supermarkets - low carb this, low carb that - soon they
> >>will come up with something to have low carb sex, or promote abstinence
> >>(for the other side) to reduce carb intake.
> >>
> >>This low carb fad and the stupidity behind it is amazing.
> >>
> >>Somebody must be buying the stuff, or it would not be produced and the
meat
> >>industry sure is throwing parties for pulling that off.
> >>
> >>Yeah - reduce your carbos, buy our stuff and be happier!
> >>
> >>I read an article recently that bakeries are having reduced sales
because
> >>of this fad and are coming up with "reduced carb" bread to counteract -
the
> >>disease spreads - even into this newsgroup!
> >>
> >>
> >>Samartha
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Samartha,
> >
> > Your post, above, made me smile. Low carb seems to be the newest segment
in
> > the 15 aisles of embalmed food we've already accepted. But the parties
are
> > not being thrown by the meat folks, or Kraft, ConAgra, etc... Big
> > Pharmaceutical owns the casino. What could be better than another
emerging
> > class of self-inflicted metabolic di$order$ to test and treat. Get your
> > government prescription card ready! (rant! rant!)
> >
> > I used to think the cattle had it bad. Born for market sacrifice. Fed
> > rations only aggressive antibiotics and hormone therapy could promote. A
> > short, miserable life in crowded feedlots. Then I found myself one day
at a
> > Wal-Mart SuperStore...
> >
> > Moo! the cashier said and dared me to deny it.
> >
> > Will
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> >
> >
>
Yeah....... All the health fanatics will someday or at the present find
themselves laying in the hospital dying of nothing. MODERATION Terry

Ellen > wrote:

> I have been curious as to whether the long rises for sourdough bread would
> more completely exhaust the sugars in the wheat and produce a lower carb
> result than the usual yeast bread with way too mcuh yeast in it?

Significantly no. Aside from making low carb bread via altering the mix, you
can also make it low carb by varying the serving size and/or toasting which
allows a smaller piece to be used as a serving tool, as it is more rigid
than untoasted bread. If you are on a low carb diet you can of course check
this out for yourself via keto sticks.

--
Cliff Stamp
http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/

The one unforgivable sin, the offence against one's own integrity,
is to accept anything at all simply on authority -- Maureen Johnson Long

Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm. -- Publilius Syrus

(Wcsjohn)
>Date: 6/4/2004 3:58 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >

>Now now, religious beliefs are not a fit topic for mockery.

Hm. Are they selling low-carb Eucharist wafers yet?

"Samartha" > wrote in message
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> At 02:06 PM 6/4/2004, Ellen wrote:
>
> >I have been curious as to whether the long rises for sourdough bread
would
> >more completely exhaust the sugars in the wheat and produce a lower carb
> >result than the usual yeast bread with way too mcuh yeast in it?
>
>
> Absolutely - the longer fermentation goes on, the more is converted.
True enough. However, although the amount is rather small it's better than
nothing.

> CO2, Acids, water are fermentation byproducts but no carbos and every
> milligram of less carbo counts with this idiocy.
"Idiocy?" Please explain what's idiotic: consuming carbs your body wasn't
designed to use, or avoiding them?

> Just look at the supermarkets - low carb this, low carb that - soon they
> will come up with something to have low carb sex, or promote abstinence
> (for the other side) to reduce carb intake.
>
> This low carb fad and the stupidity behind it is amazing.
Really? Given that, I'm sure that you'd be happy to explain why letting the
Krebs cycle work, is bad. Or what carbo's, in any form, are needed in an
adults daily diet.

The only "fad" here, is the implicit need to ingest high carbohydrate
foods--as has been impressed upon most of us over the last 30 years or so.
Or has the ever increasing obesity of our populace gone unnoticed by you?

> Somebody must be buying the stuff, or it would not be produced and the
meat
> industry sure is throwing parties for pulling that off.
As opposed to the "ready foods" industry wailing in pain? Why is one bad,
and the other good?

> Yeah - reduce your carbos, buy our stuff and be happier!
Gimme a break! Try to use that brain you keep braggin about. Your
statement is as dumb as those that rail about "buy our 'low fat' food
product... ."

> I read an article recently that bakeries are having reduced sales because
> of this fad and are coming up with "reduced carb" bread to counteract -
the
> disease spreads - even into this newsgroup!
Which "disease" is that? The one that underlies understanding of the body's
metabolic processes? Or the one that underlies the "truth" of 'low fat'
eating...?

Later all,
Dusty
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gondial wrote:

> Would you know if there is a recipe for SD bread that is low carb? Is
> it an impossibility?

Dude, are you really talking about Atkins on a bread list? Somebody
pass me that first digital stone that I might cast it...

Bread is an inherently high-carb food. There is apparently some
technical and probably highly industrialized way to make carbs
insoluable so they pass right out, they do it with pasta I know. Or
perhaps they replace the starch component outright with something else.
Forgive them, they know not what they do.

However, whether that technology is accessible to the home hobbyist, I
don't know. There is one possibility, which is to make bread with such a
high-gluten flour or with gluten powder that the carbs are relatively
negligible. There is a very labor intensive method of washing away the
starch from the gluten which is used to make seitan, wheatmeat, but how
you could turn the resulting product into "bread" is beyond me.