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Making VANILLA not so successfully.....
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Needing to ask about a fix or correction or if there is anything I can do to save this. My brother made some vanilla and we talked to him and also we did a little research on the internet about how to do this. The alcohol it said was optimum at 47.5%, and vanilla I believe we did 13.5 oz per gallon of alcohol. We made three bottles, the first with straight vodka and the second two we diluted one bottle of everclear with distilled water to make two bottles of vanilla. So we have three litres extracting and will bottle them up into smaller portions when they are done. The PROBLEM is that the two bottles of diluted everclear became cloudy. This really looks like crap and I wouldn't give them away to people like this, they were going to be Xmas gifts for Christmas 2010. IS THERE ANY WAY TO FIX THIS??? People on the internet said they had done it before with EverClear, but we did not realize it would cloud. Ugh. Thanks for any suggestions, Rita |
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"Garland Grower" > wrote in message ... > Hello, > Needing to ask about a fix or correction or if there is anything I can do > to save this. > My brother made some vanilla and we talked to him and also we did a little > research on the internet about how to do this. > The alcohol it said was optimum at 47.5%, and vanilla I believe we did > 13.5 oz per gallon of alcohol. > We made three bottles, the first with straight vodka and the second two we > diluted one bottle of everclear with distilled water to make two bottles > of vanilla. So we have three litres extracting and will bottle them up > into smaller portions when they are done. > The PROBLEM is that the two bottles of diluted everclear became cloudy. > This really looks like crap and I wouldn't give them away to people like > this, they were going to be Xmas gifts for Christmas 2010. > IS THERE ANY WAY TO FIX THIS??? > People on the internet said they had done it before with EverClear, but we > did not realize it would cloud. > Ugh. > > Thanks for any suggestions, > Rita > > NO ONE has any comment on how to or how not to make Vanilla?? Do you think I am o/t here? If so, please forgive, I'll post elsewhere. I thinking drowning something in alcohol qualifies as preserving. I know I've felt pickled before after a few too many : ) Rita Foust Farmer Jones Eco Friendly Plants & Produce Find us on Localharvest.org |
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"Garland Grower" > wrote in message ... > > "Garland Grower" > wrote in message > ... >> Hello, >> Needing to ask about a fix or correction or if there is anything I can do >> to save this. >> My brother made some vanilla and we talked to him and also we did a >> little research on the internet about how to do this. >> The alcohol it said was optimum at 47.5%, and vanilla I believe we did >> 13.5 oz per gallon of alcohol. >> We made three bottles, the first with straight vodka and the second two >> we diluted one bottle of everclear with distilled water to make two >> bottles of vanilla. So we have three litres extracting and will bottle >> them up into smaller portions when they are done. >> The PROBLEM is that the two bottles of diluted everclear became cloudy. >> This really looks like crap and I wouldn't give them away to people like >> this, they were going to be Xmas gifts for Christmas 2010. >> IS THERE ANY WAY TO FIX THIS??? >> People on the internet said they had done it before with EverClear, but >> we did not realize it would cloud. >> Ugh. >> >> Thanks for any suggestions, >> Rita >> >> > > > NO ONE has any comment on how to or how not to make Vanilla?? > Do you think I am o/t here? If so, please forgive, I'll post elsewhere. > I thinking drowning something in alcohol qualifies as preserving. > I know I've felt pickled before after a few too many : ) > > > Rita Foust > Farmer Jones Eco Friendly Plants & Produce > Find us on Localharvest.org my experience with this group tells me 1) no one has anything to contribute to this thread, 2) no one has made home made vanilla, 3) if they have, then they don't have an explanation for your dilema, 4) as this is , for the most part, a non preserving season, regular posters aren't checking in to the group, 5) there's ALWAYS someone lurking who might have a comment, 6) just be patient - even o/t posts get responses...eventually..... see? Kathi, never made vanailla > > |
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"Garland Grower" > wrote: > NO ONE has any comment on how to or how not to make Vanilla?? > Do you think I am o/t here? If so, please forgive, I'll post elsewhere. > I thinking drowning something in alcohol qualifies as preserving. > I know I've felt pickled before after a few too many : ) the instructions I was given said to use one bean per 2 ounces of booze. I used Smirnoff vodka. I haven't bothered to strain it yet. It does not appear to be "cloudy." FWIW. -- -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ http://web.me.com/barbschaller 1-9-2010 |
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"Garland Grower" > wrote: > NO ONE has any comment on how to or how not to make Vanilla?? > Do you think I am o/t here? Maybe, but that wouldn't stop anyone from responding here, I'm pretty sure. Maybe no one has done it. Try rec.food.cooking. Or maybe rec.food.baking. Or alt.cooking-chat. -- -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ http://web.me.com/barbschaller 1-9-2010 |
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"Kathi Jones" > wrote: > "Garland Grower" > wrote in message > > NO ONE has any comment on how to or how not to make Vanilla?? > > my experience with this group tells me 1) no one has anything to contribute > to this thread, 2) no one has made home made vanilla, 3) if they have, then > they don't have an explanation for your dilema, 4) as this is , for the most > part, a non preserving season, regular posters aren't checking in to the > group, 5) there's ALWAYS someone lurking who might have a comment, 6) just > be patient - even o/t posts get responses...eventually..... > > see? > > Kathi, > never made vanailla <g> I only saw the post tonight. About 3 minutes ago. I've replied with my experience. -- -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ http://web.me.com/barbschaller 1-9-2010 |
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"Dave Balderstone" > wrote in message news:220120102300319867%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderst one.ca... > In article >, Garland > Grower > wrote: > >> NO ONE has any comment on how to or how not to make Vanilla?? >> Do you think I am o/t here? If so, please forgive, I'll post elsewhere. >> I thinking drowning something in alcohol qualifies as preserving. >> I know I've felt pickled before after a few too many : ) > > It's a low traffic group. People check in and reply when they do. Live > with it. > > But I'm curious... Do you only post to one forum/group/venue at a time? > Why? > Thanks everyone. I only posted it here. I guess I should have tried others, but the only groups I've ever subscribed to where the rec.gardens, rec.gardens.edible/organic, and now this one. I haven't posted anything in years, it's not a regular thing for me like checking email. I basically use it as reference material and get help when I need it. Truthfully, I don't think the vanilla can be fixed so I did not put a huge effort into it, I just thought I would ask. I think the recipients of this wonderful gift are going to have to live with the fact that it's going to be cloudy. Thanks again, Rita Farmer Jones Eco Friendly Plants & Produce Localharvest.org |
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"Garland Grower" > wrote in message ... > > "Garland Grower" > wrote in message > ... >> Hello, >> Needing to ask about a fix or correction or if there is anything I can do >> to save this. >> My brother made some vanilla and we talked to him and also we did a >> little research on the internet about how to do this. >> The alcohol it said was optimum at 47.5%, and vanilla I believe we did >> 13.5 oz per gallon of alcohol. >> We made three bottles, the first with straight vodka and the second two >> we diluted one bottle of everclear with distilled water to make two >> bottles of vanilla. So we have three litres extracting and will bottle >> them up into smaller portions when they are done. >> The PROBLEM is that the two bottles of diluted everclear became cloudy. >> This really looks like crap and I wouldn't give them away to people like >> this, they were going to be Xmas gifts for Christmas 2010. >> IS THERE ANY WAY TO FIX THIS??? >> People on the internet said they had done it before with EverClear, but >> we did not realize it would cloud. >> Ugh. >> >> Thanks for any suggestions, >> Rita >> >> > > > NO ONE has any comment on how to or how not to make Vanilla?? > Do you think I am o/t here? If so, please forgive, I'll post elsewhere. > I thinking drowning something in alcohol qualifies as preserving. > I know I've felt pickled before after a few too many : ) I found your post quite interesting, but have no experience in this matter. I have been waiting for any replies. Should you learn elsewhere the answer, please be so kind as to post it here. |
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Dave Balderstone wrote:
> A quick google search for "cloudy vanilla extract" reveals that adding > water to the mix will make the extract cloudy, as will grinding the > vanilla bean instead of chopping it. I have a bottle (started in November of 2006) that was 24 vanilla beans shoved into a bottle of vodka. Over the years, I've take a bean or two out, a few ounces of "juice" and refilled it with 95% alchohol. This time when I did it, it turned cloudy. The difference is that 9 months of the year, my kitchen is at least 80F. now, it is closer to 60. I'll see in a few months when it warms up what happens. The other side, the liquid from the bottle, made up to a pint with water from my Brita filter seems fine. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM New word I coined 12/13/09, "Sub-Wikipedia" adj, describing knowledge or understanding, as in he has a sub-wikipedia understanding of the situation. i.e possessing less facts or information than can be found in the Wikipedia. |
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"Dave Balderstone" > wrote in message news:230120101522547849%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderst one.ca... > A quick google search for "cloudy vanilla extract" reveals that adding > water to the mix will make the extract cloudy, as will grinding the > vanilla bean instead of chopping it. > > As for making it "uncloudy", I suggest starting over. Or accepting that > it's normal. > Yes, thanks.. We knew that putting the distilled water into the Everclear is what made it cloudy because the one with pure Vodka is fine. I guess we need to find out what makes water turn alcohol cloudy? Not sure, but I guess the cost savings of using the Everclear (one liter of everclear diluted equaled two liters of mix for extracting vanilla beans) was not really worth it. Rita Garland, TX Zone 7b-8a Farmer Jones Eco Friendly Plants & Produce http://www.localharvest.org/farms/M10383 |
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"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" > wrote in message ... > The other side, the liquid from the bottle, made up to a pint with water > from my Brita filter seems fine. > > Geoff. ...... I'm sorry, did not quite understand that last part... Are you saying you dilute with purified water the ounces you took out of the bottle to use as your kitchen/baking vanilla? Rita Garland, TX Zone 7b-8a Farmer Jones Eco Friendly Plants & Produce http://www.localharvest.org/farms/M10383 |
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I too have not experienced cloudiness. Right now, I have vanilla
beans in a fifth of brandy. Been brewing since May 2009 and the only thing floatin' around in it is little specs of the vanilla and the 1- inch or so pieces of the beans. I add a scraped bean when I use one-- saw no point in the little bit left on it to go to waste. I give it a shake every now & then. It smells grand... : - ] |
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Ran??e at Arabian Knits wrote:
> My initial question was why the water was added at all. I make it > with vodka and with bourbon and I've read of it being made with > everclear, but never with water added. The first recipe I found for it used one bean, and brandy diluted 1 part to 2 water. I prefer the low alcohol level. BTW, I don't use Everclear, I use 95% (drinking) alcohol. I assume Everclear is a US only product. If I don't dilute it, the vanilla has a "harsh" flavor. Why don't I use vodka? Because the cheapest vodka is at least twice the price of the 95% alcohol. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM New word I coined 12/13/09, "Sub-Wikipedia" adj, describing knowledge or understanding, as in he has a sub-wikipedia understanding of the situation. i.e possessing less facts or information than can be found in the Wikipedia. |
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Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
> > BTW, I don't use Everclear, I use 95% (drinking) alcohol. I assume Everclear > is a US only product. Everclear is the best known US brand for 95% ethanol. Just a brand name. > If I don't dilute it, the vanilla has a "harsh" flavor. I've only put vanilla in sugar so I can't comment on that. > Why don't I use vodka? Because the cheapest vodka is at least twice the price of > the 95% alcohol. Good reason. Vodka is ethanol and water. If mixing it makes the result cloudy I think that's a matter of timing. Mix the ethanol and water to make homemade vodka, shake and let settle for a bit. Then add the vanilla. As opposed to add the vanilla to concentrated alcohol and then add the water. My theory is the different solubilities or organics in an organic solvant like alcohol, in an inorganic solvant like water and in a mixture. I think there's something that dissolved in the nearly pure alcohol that would not have dissolved in the vodka. When water was added to it that ingredient precipitated out in a fine dust to form the cloud. I wonder if the particles are coarse enough that a coffee filter will strain them out? They could be so fine that won't work but it's an easy thing to try. Alternately you may not be willing to use them as gifts but I bet it still tastes good. Hot cocoa time! |
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-- Rita Foust Garland, TX Zone 7b-8a Farmer Jones Eco-Friendly Plants & Produce http://www.localharvest.org/farms/M10383 "Ranée at Arabian Knits" > wrote in message ... > In article <230120101522547849%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone. ca>, > Dave Balderstone > wrote: > >> A quick google search for "cloudy vanilla extract" reveals that adding >> water to the mix will make the extract cloudy, as will grinding the >> vanilla bean instead of chopping it. > > My initial question was why the water was added at all. I make it > with vodka and with bourbon and I've read of it being made with > everclear, but never with water added. > .... Everclear's too strong, it's 95 percent alcohol. Research results found that optimum extraction occurs at 47.5%. Okay, now I sound like a total geek : P We used it because it came out cheaper. The dilemma was that you don't want to use the really cheap vodka, too many impurities etc. So we settled on Tito's, a handmade Vodka made here in TX. It was on sale for 14.99 but now is 17.99, it won many awards and was compared to Absolut and some other good Vodkas. We wanted to do three liters or so to give away at Xmas so we did one with the Titos. Then we bought the Everclear and diluted by half to do two more. It all smells yummy, but the Vodka one is beautifully clear, the other not so much. Rita |
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"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" > wrote in message
... > BTW, I don't use Everclear, I use 95% (drinking) alcohol. I assume > Everclear > is a US only product. If I don't dilute it, the vanilla has a "harsh" > flavor. > > Why don't I use vodka? Because the cheapest vodka is at least twice the > price of > the 95% alcohol. > > .... Exactly! Just what I just explained to the other nice lady. Everclear is just a brand name of the 95% alcohol, fyi. We found a site where standards for commercial vanilla here was 13 something ounces of vanilla bean per gallon of alcohol, so that's what we used, about 24 beans per liter of vodka/ Everclear mix. Rita Garland, TX Zone 7b-8a Farmer Jones Eco Friendly Plants & Produce http://www.localharvest.org/farms/M10383 |
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Doug Freyburger" > wrote in message
... > Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: >> > > Vodka is ethanol and water. If mixing it makes the result cloudy I > think that's a matter of timing. Mix the ethanol and water to make > homemade vodka, shake and let settle for a bit. Then add the vanilla. > As opposed to add the vanilla to concentrated alcohol and then add the > water. Yep, this makes a lot of sense. If commercial vodka is ethanol and water, we should be able to make it work too, w/o the cloudiness. Little did we know we were making homemade Vodka as well as homemade vanilla. I think we did add the beans to the pure Everclear, then dilute. There are little drops of oil floating which I have not seen in commercial vanilla, in line with your theory that the pure alcohol may have pulled that out. > My theory is the different solubilities or organics in an organic > solvant like alcohol, in an inorganic solvant like water and > in a mixture. I think there's something that dissolved in the nearly > pure alcohol that would not have dissolved in the vodka. When water was > added to it that ingredient precipitated out in a fine dust to form the > cloud. Makes sense. > I wonder if the particles are coarse enough that a coffee filter will > strain them out? They could be so fine that won't work but it's an easy > thing to try. If I strain this through a coffee filter I will strain out all the loose vanilla particles which I want to remain in there. I suppose it could be done at the end after all is extracted out. I'm sure that is what I'll do. Strain it before we bottle into the smaller bottles for gift giving. > Alternately you may not be willing to use them as gifts but I bet it > still tastes good. Hot cocoa time! Yep! Thanks, Rita Garland, TX Zone 7b-8a Farmer Jones Eco Friendly Plants & Produce http://www.localharvest.org/farms/M10383 |
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Garland Grower wrote:
> >The dilemma was that you don't want > to use the really cheap vodka, too many impurities etc. So we settled on > Tito's, a handmade Vodka made here in TX. It was on sale for 14.99 but now > is 17.99, it won many awards and was compared to Absolut and some other good > Vodkas. This reminds me of a blind tasting we did with a group in the college dorms (serious expertese, sure ;^). We got 3 brands of cheap Vodka - Kamchatka, Popov and something, plus 3 brands of fancy vodka - Absolut, Finlandia and Stoli straight from the Soviet Union (this was long before the wall fell). Once the letter codes on the shot glasses were converted back to the brands it turned out that no one could tell any of the cheap brands from each other, no one could tell any of the expensive brands from each other, about half of us could tell the cheap brands from the expensive brands. If you can find an inexpensive vodka that reviews against Absolut I already know I will not be able to them the two apart in a blind tasting. |
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On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 22:56:55 -0600, "Garland Grower"
> wrote: >Hello, >Needing to ask about a fix or correction or if there is anything I can do to >save this. >My brother made some vanilla and we talked to him and also we did a little >research on the internet about how to do this. >The alcohol it said was optimum at 47.5%, and vanilla I believe we did 13.5 >oz per gallon of alcohol. >We made three bottles, the first with straight vodka and the second two we >diluted one bottle of everclear with distilled water to make two bottles of >vanilla. So we have three litres extracting and will bottle them up into >smaller portions when they are done. >The PROBLEM is that the two bottles of diluted everclear became cloudy. >This really looks like crap and I wouldn't give them away to people like >this, they were going to be Xmas gifts for Christmas 2010. >IS THERE ANY WAY TO FIX THIS??? >People on the internet said they had done it before with EverClear, but we >did not realize it would cloud. >Ugh. > >Thanks for any suggestions, >Rita > I have made and do make homemade vanilla. I usually make Mexican and Tahitian vanilla. I have never used anything except vodka. I allow mine to sit for at least 6 months. Did you do that? Once I the vanilla beans all split and scraped into the vodka, and I also use the bean hulls, I shake the jars and bottles really good every day for a week and then every other day for the next week. The third week I shake every couple days. By the 4th week they just sit in the dark. Did you allow them to sit in a closet or some place dark? I always gave a good shake at least once a week while it is sitting and brewing. |
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