Irma > wrote in message >.. .
> Yes Ranger we really don't need to borrow the name of the continent to say
> our nationality. Brazil, Brazilians; Bolivia, Bolivian; Mexico, Mexicans;
> U.S.A, oops! .... Can you give me the Nationality? Americans? ...
>
> Anyway the first thing here was that Mexicans were not Americans, now we
> saw that we are, aren't we? If we refer ourselves as Americans or not....
> this is another story... As I explained above we don't need it.

Your argument is about a hole-y as Swiss cheese, Irma.

It's not that people *need* self-identification for a term to come to
common usage. It's just how it evolved. It's not like Americans took a
vote with everybody in the whole world and argued that we *needed* the
term to ourselves. It's just the way it is. It's not all
self-righteous or anything. Dang, you'd think Americans were asking
for the copy-right or something...

Karen

Irma > wrote in message >. ..
> And I just wanted to tell you, that your point of view was wrong, that we
> Mexican ARE Americans, even some U.S. citizens don't like it.

You're running out of gas, face it, Irma.

(As if you ever told anyone that you were an American...)

Karen

Jim Lane > wrote in message >...
> Have you asked every single one of them? Until you have, you don;t know
> jack, do you.

No, I haven't asked anyone. I don't have to. It's all pretty clear to
me. Heck, even Irma has never said she's an American, and she's on
your side.

Karen

Juergen > wrote in message > ...
> Mexicans *are* Americans, actually. They happen to live on the very same
> continent, if you like it or not.

No, Juergen. Mexicans are North Americans.

>
> OTOH, I wouldn't dare to call a Mexican "Americano". He might take offense.
>
> Obviously it's only citizens of the US that have adopted the name of the
> continent. Does this indicate a lack of identity?

No mistaking in the identity of America. Anyone who can't identify
America is really in a cave.
>
> So actually it seems you're right, but I don't like it.

What is there to like or not like? Geesh, it's not like England, where
there's a crown and royal jewels to show off or anything. It's just a
term that everyone understands and it makes (or it's supposed to make)
communication easier. To fight this one, is just arguing for
argument's sake.

Karen

In article >,
(Karen O'Mara) wrote:

> Irma > wrote in message
>.. .

> > Anyone who was born in the American continent (from Patagonia to Alaska) is
> > an American.

> "American" is the exclusive term for U.S. citizens. "North American"
> is not the exclusive term for U.S. citizens.
>
> Show me any example, outside the arguments here on this newsgroup,
> where you can prove this differently...


As is often the case, you are both right. My dictionary says:


A€mer€i€can (ú-mRr2¾-kún) adj. Abbr. A. Amer. 1. Of or relating to the
United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or
relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western
Hemisphere. 3. Of or relating to any of the Native American peoples. 4.
Indigenous to North or South America. Used of plants and animals. n.


Now can we stop this silly argument?

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS

On 4 May 2004 14:55:21 -0700, Karen O'Mara wrote:

> Irma > wrote in message >.. .
>> This is right and logical....
>>
>> Anyone who was born in the American continent (from Patagonia to Alaska) is
>> an American. U.S. citizens are North Americans as well as Brazilians are
>> South Americans.... being more specific. U.S. citizens call themselves
>> American and it is ok, but the adjective/"gentilicio" American is not
>> exclusive for U.S. citizens.
>>
>> Any German, Italian, Poland is a European, since he was born in the
>> European continent.
>
> Sometimes logically explanations are just wrong in real life.
>
> US citizens, Canadians, Mexicans are all North Americans, true. But,
> the US citizen will be the only American of the three. (An Italian may
> also be a European but a Canadian is not also an American.)
>
> "American" is the exclusive term for U.S. citizens. "North American"
> is not the exclusive term for U.S. citizens.
>
> Show me any example, outside the arguments here on this newsgroup,
> where you can prove this differently...
>


>Sometimes logically explanations are just wrong in real life.

Right you are.

>US citizens, Canadians, Mexicans are all North Americans, true.

Yes, I pointed out that before.

>But, the US citizen will be the only American of the three.

No, It was pointed out before in Rangers message from the Merriam Webster
Anyway here you have if you missed it.

Main Entry: 1Amer?i?can
Function: noun
1 : an American Indian of No. America or So. America
***2 : a native or inhabitant of No. America or So. America
3 : a citizen of the U.S.

Main Entry: 2American
Function: adjective
1 : of or relating to America
2 : of or relating to the U.S. or its possessions or original territory


>(An Italian may also be a European but a Canadian is not also an American.)

No, read above.

"American" is the exclusive term for U.S. citizens.

No, American is a term used to denominate U.S. citizens? nationality. I
would say.

"North American" is not the exclusive term for U.S. citizens.

Right you are.

Show me any example, outside the arguments here on this newsgroup,
where you can prove this differently...

Read above.

Now, the only thing I can see here is that you are viewing this topic as a
U. S. citizen, and I am from my Mexican point of view. Maybe if I were a
U.S. citizen I would back you 100%, but I am not, so I can?t see this in
the same way.

Irma.

On 5 May 2004 09:00:22 -0700, Karen O'Mara wrote:

> Irma > wrote in message >. ..
>> And I just wanted to tell you, that your point of view was wrong, that we
>> Mexican ARE Americans, even some U.S. citizens don't like it.
>
> You're running out of gas, face it, Irma.
>
> (As if you ever told anyone that you were an American...)
>

It is just usless to talk with someone like you, one can't change the point
of view of someone so narrow minded. I'm sure that you haven't got the
opportunity to live in another continet, to see the whole picture. You
can't even imagine that America is a huge continent with many countries
because problably you have never been out of yours. I know Jim and I are
right, but as for me, you can continue believing that idea, maybe you
deserve it.

That's it!

> Juergen > wrote in message > ...
>> Mexicans *are* Americans, actually. They happen to live on the very same
>> continent, if you like it or not.
>
> No, Juergen. Mexicans are North Americans.

So are you - you are US citizen, aren't you? Therefore you are a North
American, too.

>>
>> OTOH, I wouldn't dare to call a Mexican "Americano". He might take offense.
>>
>> Obviously it's only citizens of the US that have adopted the name of the
>> continent. Does this indicate a lack of identity?
>
> No mistaking in the identity of America. Anyone who can't identify
> America is really in a cave.
>>
>> So actually it seems you're right, but I don't like it.
>
> What is there to like or not like? Geesh, it's not like England, where
> there's a crown and royal jewels to show off or anything. It's just a
> term that everyone understands and it makes (or it's supposed to make)
> communication easier. To fight this one, is just arguing for
> argument's sake.

I don't like the snobbish attitude with which you claim that the name of a
continent is property of US citizens, and Mexicans are not allowed to use
it. For me as a European, an American is one from the American continent.
I, and a lot of people I know, refer to US citizens as "US-Americans" just
to make clear what we mean. In case of an American with Spanish as native
language, we might call him just an American too, or a Latin American,
unless we know which country he is from.

Actually, your passport should state your nationality. Does it say just
"American"?

Karen O'Mara wrote:
> Jim Lane > wrote in message >...
>
>
>>As the dictionary shows, American is NOT exclusive to those of us from
>>the US. Are you some kind of bigot? Try any dictionary. Ooops, you're
>>not a bigot, you're a blonde.
>
>
> By your dumb way of thinking, you'll have Peruvians claiming their
> Americans, along with Manitobans. After all, Peru is in South AMERICA.
>
> Happy cinco de mayo!
>
> Karen

Yes, they can refer to themselves as Americans. If you don't like it,
that's tough, but that is the way it is.

Try reading it again, bimbo:

From www.m-w.com:
Main Entry: 1Amer·i·can
Pronunciation: &-'mer-&-k&n, -'m&r-, -'mar-, -i-k&n
Function: noun
1 : an American Indian of No. America or So. America
2 : a native or inhabitant of No. America or So. America

Are there any words used you don't understand?


jim

Karen O'Mara wrote:

> Irma > wrote in message >. ..
>
>>And I just wanted to tell you, that your point of view was wrong, that we
>>Mexican ARE Americans, even some U.S. citizens don't like it.
>
>
> You're running out of gas, face it, Irma.
>
> (As if you ever told anyone that you were an American...)
>
> Karen

And you never have had any. Your partially brain dead, your body just
hasn't come to terms with the fact. You do have a brain don't you?


jim

Irma wrote:

> On 5 May 2004 09:00:22 -0700, Karen O'Mara wrote:
>
>
>>Irma > wrote in message >. ..
>>
>>>And I just wanted to tell you, that your point of view was wrong, that we
>>>Mexican ARE Americans, even some U.S. citizens don't like it.
>>
>>You're running out of gas, face it, Irma.
>>
>>(As if you ever told anyone that you were an American...)
>>
>
>
> It is just usless to talk with someone like you, one can't change the point
> of view of someone so narrow minded. I'm sure that you haven't got the
> opportunity to live in another continet, to see the whole picture. You
> can't even imagine that America is a huge continent with many countries
> because problably you have never been out of yours. I know Jim and I are
> right, but as for me, you can continue believing that idea, maybe you
> deserve it.
>
> That's it!
>

Not only is she narrow-minded , she is a bigot and as dumb as a
fencepost. Probably a red-necked blonde who was socially promoted out of
school.


jim

Dan Abel wrote:

> In article >,
> (Karen O'Mara) wrote:
>
>
>>Irma > wrote in message
>
> >.. .
>
>
>>>Anyone who was born in the American continent (from Patagonia to Alaska) is
>>>an American.
>
>
>>"American" is the exclusive term for U.S. citizens. "North American"
>>is not the exclusive term for U.S. citizens.
>>
>>Show me any example, outside the arguments here on this newsgroup,
>>where you can prove this differently...
>
>
>
> As is often the case, you are both right. My dictionary says:
>
>
> A€mer€i€can (ú-mRr2¾-kún) adj. Abbr. A. Amer. 1. Of or relating to the
> United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or
> relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western
> Hemisphere. 3. Of or relating to any of the Native American peoples. 4.
> Indigenous to North or South America. Used of plants and animals. n.
>
>
> Now can we stop this silly argument?
>


Irma is right. Your definitions only re-prove what was proven with
Ranger's dictionary definitions very early on.

The karen-bimbo says no one but someone from the US is an American, that
someone Mexico or Peru cannot be an American. She is not correct. Your
defintions do not support her arguement at all.

How long Karen wants to put her bigotry/stupidity on display, is up to her.


jim

Karen O'Mara wrote:

> Jim Lane > wrote in message >...
>
>>Have you asked every single one of them? Until you have, you don;t know
>>jack, do you.
>
>
> No, I haven't asked anyone. I don't have to. It's all pretty clear to
> me. Heck, even Irma has never said she's an American, and she's on
> your side.
>
> Karen

Others have. Try re-reading the thread, bimbo.


jim

In article >,
(Karen O'Mara) wrote:


> It's not that people *need* self-identification for a term to come to
> common usage. It's just how it evolved. It's not like Americans took a
> vote with everybody in the whole world and argued that we *needed* the
> term to ourselves. It's just the way it is. It's not all
> self-righteous or anything. Dang, you'd think Americans were asking
> for the copy-right or something...


What we Ugly Americans should be learning here is that our perceptions
about what words mean are not the same as the perceptions of people who
live in other countries. In the US, we think that "US" and "american" are
synonyms, whereas in other parts of the world they aren't. It's not a
case of right or wrong, it's a case of words having different meanings to
different people. We need to recognize the right of people in other
countries to use words differently.

I was listening to the radio yesterday morning and they were playing an
interview with a US soldier who had escaped from Iraqi hands. He was in a
US military hospital in Germany and said he was looking forward to going
back to America. It was pretty obvious that he thought that "america"
meant the US. That's how we use the word in this country.

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS

Dan Abel wrote:
> In article >,
> (Karen O'Mara) wrote:
>
>
>
>>It's not that people *need* self-identification for a term to come to
>>common usage. It's just how it evolved. It's not like Americans took a
>>vote with everybody in the whole world and argued that we *needed* the
>>term to ourselves. It's just the way it is. It's not all
>>self-righteous or anything. Dang, you'd think Americans were asking
>>for the copy-right or something...
>
>
>
> What we Ugly Americans should be learning here is that our perceptions
> about what words mean are not the same as the perceptions of people who
> live in other countries. In the US, we think that "US" and "american" are
> synonyms, whereas in other parts of the world they aren't. It's not a
> case of right or wrong, it's a case of words having different meanings to
> different people. We need to recognize the right of people in other
> countries to use words differently.
>
> I was listening to the radio yesterday morning and they were playing an
> interview with a US soldier who had escaped from Iraqi hands. He was in a
> US military hospital in Germany and said he was looking forward to going
> back to America. It was pretty obvious that he thought that "america"
> meant the US. That's how we use the word in this country.
>

Also know as cultural arrogance. Far too much of it. It leads to
ethnocentrism, boigotry and a host of other more serious problems.

Anyone here old enough to remember "THe Ugly American?"


jim

Jim Lane > wrote in message >...
> Others have. Try re-reading the thread, bimbo.

So, you've resorted to name-calling. I guess that means you're out of things to say.

Karen

Irma > wrote in message >.. .

> It is just usless to talk with someone like you, one can't change the point
> of view of someone so narrow minded. I'm sure that you haven't got the
> opportunity to live in another continet, to see the whole picture. You
> can't even imagine that America is a huge continent with many countries
> because problably you have never been out of yours. I know Jim and I are
> right, but as for me, you can continue believing that idea, maybe you
> deserve it.
>
> That's it!

Actually, America is a country. The Americas -- North America and
South America -- are two, count 'em, two continents. Yes, I have lived
Europe for a year. Europeans refer to residents of the US as
Americans...

I don't know why you're so adamant about this American Thing, Irma.
Next you'll be telling me that the phrase, The Stars and Stripes, are
embraced by the Russians. Or, that New England is in the United
Kingdom, or something. Snap out of it! Or, that Denial is only a river
in Egypt.

Karen

Irma > wrote in message >. ..
> You are right, we don't call ourselves Americans because our country has
> its very onw name Mexico.... and everyone how is studied knows that Mexico
> is in America therefore we are Americans... it is implied, isn't it?
>
> But you wrote this:
>
> >But, Mexicans are not Americans. However, some Americans are
> >Mexican-Americans. Some Americans are African-Americans. Some
> >Americans are English-Dutch-Irish-Mexican-Swedish-French-Americans,
> >and so on, too...
>
> And I just wanted to tell you, that your point of view was wrong, that we
> Mexican ARE Americans, even some U.S. citizens don't like it.

US citizens aren't the ones who don't like it, Irma. Mexicans don't
like it.

Sigh. Mexicans are NorteAmericanos... North Americans. Not
Americanos... Americans. Whatever, Irma.

Jim Lane > wrote in message >...
>> Yes, they can refer to themselves as Americans. If you don't like it,
> that's tough, but that is the way it is.


But, they don't. They can call themselves Martians for all I care, but they don't.

Karen

On Wed, 05 May 2004 12:59:00 -0700, Jim Lane >
wrote:

>Also know as cultural arrogance. Far too much of it. It leads to
>ethnocentrism, boigotry and a host of other more serious problems.
>
>Anyone here old enough to remember "THe Ugly American?"
>
>
>jim

Yes, I'm old enough to have read the book (and I did) when it was
published in the mid-50s. The ugly American that the title referred to
was the good guy. Have you read it?

David

Juergen > wrote in message >...
> So are you - you are US citizen, aren't you? Therefore you are a North
> American, too.

Here we go again.

Americans are North Americans, yes.

> I don't like the snobbish attitude with which you claim that the name of a
> continent is property of US citizens, and Mexicans are not allowed to use
> it. For me as a European, an American is one from the American continent.
> I, and a lot of people I know, refer to US citizens as "US-Americans" just
> to make clear what we mean. In case of an American with Spanish as native
> language, we might call him just an American too, or a Latin American,
> unless we know which country he is from.

I have never heard anyone use the term US-American. I've heard
"American English" as opposed to "English" but not US-American. I've
heard Latin American, too, but I have not heard one Latin American
refer to any Latin-American as "American." If they did, they would
think the term referred to the US.

>
> Actually, your passport should state your nationality. Does it say just
> "American"?

I doubt it. I don't have it near. It probably says United States of
America. But, anyone can point out an American like a sore thumb in
any country besides America.

Saying America, when referring to USA, is as American as apple pie.
It's not my fault, or yours. It's just the way it is. OOOPs. ... apple
pie! Maybe I should ask the English if it's okay to say that apple pie
is an American dish?...

It's amazing there's any peace in this world, at all, when dissecting
the intention of the common name, "America." You'd think we'd have
enough things to fight about in this world. The word by itself, alone,
"America" is commonly known and accepted worldwide to refer to the
country which also calls itself The United States of America. Arguing
this is just silly.

Start a trend. Stop using the term America or American, unless you're
referring to things or people associated with the North and South
American continents, except the USA. People will think you've flunked
Geography 101.

Karen

Jim Lane > wrote in message >...
, sorry...>
>
> North, Central and South America. Anglo and Latin. That's it. But all
> have the right to call themselves Americans.

But. They. Don't. Call. Themselves. Americans.

Now, do they?

Karen

In article >, wrote:

> Dan Abel wrote:


> > What we Ugly Americans should be learning here is that our perceptions
> > about what words mean are not the same as the perceptions of people who


> Also know as cultural arrogance. Far too much of it. It leads to
> ethnocentrism, boigotry and a host of other more serious problems.
>
> Anyone here old enough to remember "THe Ugly American?"


Obviously me, since I used it. I read it a l o n g time ago. I think
it's time for Karen to read it. The arrogance of this thread is exactly
what that book is about.

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS

hahabogus > wrote in message >.. .
> I believe the phrase American was first used by an American Politican. And
> I don't mean LBJ. Possibly around the time of the American Revolution. I
> also believe that was the time American Nationalism first reared it's head.
>
> Being Canadian this is only my best guess and not researched, as I couldn"t
> care less what they call themselves.

You couldn't care less what they call themselves? Who? Americans? Do
Canadians refer to their southern neighbors as Americans, or not?

Thank you,
Karen

Jim Lane > wrote in message >...
>> Irma is right. Your definitions only re-prove what was proven with
> Ranger's dictionary definitions very early on.
>
> The karen-bimbo says no one but someone from the US is an American, that
> someone Mexico or Peru cannot be an American. She is not correct. Your
> defintions do not support her arguement at all.
>
> How long Karen wants to put her bigotry/stupidity on display, is up to her.

"American -- Of or relating to the United States of America or its
people, language, or culture."

Now, let's look up Peru or Mexico and see if it says "American."

Your name-calling shows your agitation and intolerance.

Happy cinco cinco

Karen

Irma > wrote in message >.. .
> Now, the only thing I can see here is that you are viewing this topic as a
> U. S. citizen, and I am from my Mexican point of view. Maybe if I were a
> U.S. citizen I would back you 100%, but I am not, so I can?t see this in
> the same way.

No, you can back me as a Mexican, too:

Do Mexicans refer to their neighbors to their north, as "Americans?" Yes, right?

Do your fellow Mexicans refer to each other as "Americans?" No, correct?

Karen

(Dan Abel) wrote in message >...
> A?mer?i?can (ú-mRr2¾-kún) adj. Abbr. A. Amer. 1. Of or relating to the
> United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or
> relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western
> Hemisphere. 3. Of or relating to any of the Native American peoples. 4.
> Indigenous to North or South America. Used of plants and animals. n.
>
>
> Now can we stop this silly argument?

Okay,... we can stop. I concede that there are some (perhaps many)
people who are touchy and resent the term "American" or "America" as
pertaining to the United States. However, I still feel most of these
people use this term to describe the USA, anyway. If they don't use
it, they probably know what others mean by it, when others use it.

Anyway, thank you Dan, for being a nice mediator.

Karen

David Wright wrote:

> On Wed, 05 May 2004 12:59:00 -0700, Jim Lane >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Also know as cultural arrogance. Far too much of it. It leads to
>>ethnocentrism, boigotry and a host of other more serious problems.
>>
>>Anyone here old enough to remember "THe Ugly American?"
>>
>>
>>jim
>
>
> Yes, I'm old enough to have read the book (and I did) when it was
> published in the mid-50s. The ugly American that the title referred to
> was the good guy. Have you read it?
>
> David

As a matter of fact I have. Are you familiar with the common expression
and what it means?


jim

Dan Abel wrote:

> In article >, wrote:
>
>
>>Dan Abel wrote:
>
>
>
>>>What we Ugly Americans should be learning here is that our perceptions
>>>about what words mean are not the same as the perceptions of people who
>
>
>
>>Also know as cultural arrogance. Far too much of it. It leads to
>>ethnocentrism, boigotry and a host of other more serious problems.
>>
>>Anyone here old enough to remember "THe Ugly American?"
>
>
>
> Obviously me, since I used it. I read it a l o n g time ago. I think
> it's time for Karen to read it. The arrogance of this thread is exactly
> what that book is about.
>


Yep.


jim

Karen O'Mara wrote:

> Irma > wrote in message >.. .
>
>
>>It is just usless to talk with someone like you, one can't change the point
>>of view of someone so narrow minded. I'm sure that you haven't got the
>>opportunity to live in another continet, to see the whole picture. You
>>can't even imagine that America is a huge continent with many countries
>>because problably you have never been out of yours. I know Jim and I are
>>right, but as for me, you can continue believing that idea, maybe you
>>deserve it.
>>
>>That's it!
>
>
> Actually, America is a country. The Americas -- North America and
> South America -- are two, count 'em, two continents. Yes, I have lived
> Europe for a year. Europeans refer to residents of the US as
> Americans...
>
> I don't know why you're so adamant about this American Thing, Irma.
> Next you'll be telling me that the phrase, The Stars and Stripes, are
> embraced by the Russians. Or, that New England is in the United
> Kingdom, or something. Snap out of it! Or, that Denial is only a river
> in Egypt.
>
> Karen

America is not a country. Find it on any geo-political map and prove me
wrong, airhead. The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is a country. America is
how we chose to shorten the name, just as Mexico shortens its official
name. Are you really this stooopid or are you trying to be obtuse?


jim



jim

Karen O'Mara wrote:

> Irma > wrote in message >. ..
>

snip

>>And I just wanted to tell you, that your point of view was wrong, that we
>>Mexican ARE Americans, even some U.S. citizens don't like it.
>
>
> US citizens aren't the ones who don't like it, Irma. Mexicans don't
> like it.
>
> Sigh. Mexicans are NorteAmericanos... North Americans. Not
> Americanos... Americans. Whatever, Irma.

And by what degree of arrogance do you presume to speak for Mexicans?


jim

Karen O'Mara wrote:

> hahabogus > wrote in message >.. .
>
>>I believe the phrase American was first used by an American Politican. And
>>I don't mean LBJ. Possibly around the time of the American Revolution. I
>>also believe that was the time American Nationalism first reared it's head.
>>
>>Being Canadian this is only my best guess and not researched, as I couldn"t
>>care less what they call themselves.
>
>
> You couldn't care less what they call themselves? Who? Americans? Do
> Canadians refer to their southern neighbors as Americans, or not?
>
> Thank you,
> Karen

Actually, a lot of them refer to "Americans" like you as a++holes.


jim

Karen O'Mara wrote:

> Jim Lane > wrote in message >...
> , sorry...>
>
>>North, Central and South America. Anglo and Latin. That's it. But all
>>have the right to call themselves Americans.
>
>
> But. They. Don't. Call. Themselves. Americans.
>
> Now, do they?
>
> Karen

Irrelevant, bimbo, in case the roaring obvious has raced right past you
without notice. I have heard more than one Mexican refer to himself as
an American, just to make the point that he is.


jim

Karen O'Mara wrote:

> Jim Lane > wrote in message >...
>
>>>Yes, they can refer to themselves as Americans. If you don't like it,
>>
>>that's tough, but that is the way it is.
>
>
>
> But, they don't. They can call themselves Martians for all I care, but they don't.
>
> Karen

Some do, especially for political statements when dealing with
air-headed bimbos like you. And they are right, they are Americans, even
the dictionary says so, so take your stoooopidity and argue with the
dictionary definitions.

You are just like a child, best seen and not heard from.


jim

Karen O'Mara wrote:

> Jim Lane > wrote in message >...
>
>>>Irma is right. Your definitions only re-prove what was proven with
>>
>>Ranger's dictionary definitions very early on.
>>
>>The karen-bimbo says no one but someone from the US is an American, that
>>someone Mexico or Peru cannot be an American. She is not correct. Your
>>defintions do not support her arguement at all.
>>
>>How long Karen wants to put her bigotry/stupidity on display, is up to her.
>
>
> "American -- Of or relating to the United States of America or its
> people, language, or culture."
>
> Now, let's look up Peru or Mexico and see if it says "American."
>
> Your name-calling shows your agitation and intolerance.
>
> Happy cinco cinco
>
> Karen

My dictionary says a country in Noorth or South america. That makes them
American. Go argue with your Funk and Wagnalls.

You are an arrogant, ethnocentic, self-referencing ignorant bimbo.
That's not name calling. It is a statement of fact.


jim

Karen O'Mara wrote:

> Jim Lane > wrote in message >...
>
>>Others have. Try re-reading the thread, bimbo.
>
>
> So, you've resorted to name-calling. I guess that means you're out of things to say.
>
> Karen

Calling you what you are is not name-calling, just a statement of fact.


jim

Karen O'Mara wrote:

> Juergen > wrote in message >...
>
>>So are you - you are US citizen, aren't you? Therefore you are a North
>>American, too.
>
>
> Here we go again.
>
> Americans are North Americans, yes.
>
>
>>I don't like the snobbish attitude with which you claim that the name of a
>>continent is property of US citizens, and Mexicans are not allowed to use
>>it. For me as a European, an American is one from the American continent.
>>I, and a lot of people I know, refer to US citizens as "US-Americans" just
>>to make clear what we mean. In case of an American with Spanish as native
>>language, we might call him just an American too, or a Latin American,
>>unless we know which country he is from.
>
>
> I have never heard anyone use the term US-American. I've heard
> "American English" as opposed to "English" but not US-American. I've
> heard Latin American, too, but I have not heard one Latin American
> refer to any Latin-American as "American." If they did, they would
> think the term referred to the US.
>
>
>>Actually, your passport should state your nationality. Does it say just
>>"American"?
>
>
> I doubt it. I don't have it near. It probably says United States of
> America. But, anyone can point out an American like a sore thumb in
> any country besides America.
>
> Saying America, when referring to USA, is as American as apple pie.
> It's not my fault, or yours. It's just the way it is. OOOPs. ... apple
> pie! Maybe I should ask the English if it's okay to say that apple pie
> is an American dish?...
>
> It's amazing there's any peace in this world, at all, when dissecting
> the intention of the common name, "America." You'd think we'd have
> enough things to fight about in this world. The word by itself, alone,
> "America" is commonly known and accepted worldwide to refer to the
> country which also calls itself The United States of America. Arguing
> this is just silly.
>
> Start a trend. Stop using the term America or American, unless you're
> referring to things or people associated with the North and South
> American continents, except the USA. People will think you've flunked
> Geography 101.
>
> Karen

Actually, airhead, some people refer to those of us from the US as
USians to separate us from the rest of the Americans. Now, find that in
your dictionary.


jim

"Jim Lane" > wrote in message
...
> Dan Abel wrote:
> > In article >,
> > (Karen O'Mara) wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>It's not that people *need* self-identification for a term to come to
> >>common usage. It's just how it evolved. It's not like Americans took a
> >>vote with everybody in the whole world and argued that we *needed* the
> >>term to ourselves. It's just the way it is. It's not all
> >>self-righteous or anything. Dang, you'd think Americans were asking
> >>for the copy-right or something...
> >
> >
> >
> > What we Ugly Americans should be learning here is that our perceptions
> > about what words mean are not the same as the perceptions of people who
> > live in other countries. In the US, we think that "US" and "american"
are
> > synonyms, whereas in other parts of the world they aren't. It's not a
> > case of right or wrong, it's a case of words having different meanings
to
> > different people. We need to recognize the right of people in other
> > countries to use words differently.
> >
> > I was listening to the radio yesterday morning and they were playing an
> > interview with a US soldier who had escaped from Iraqi hands. He was in
a
> > US military hospital in Germany and said he was looking forward to going
> > back to America. It was pretty obvious that he thought that "america"
> > meant the US. That's how we use the word in this country.
> >
>
> Also know as cultural arrogance. Far too much of it. It leads to
> ethnocentrism, boigotry and a host of other more serious problems.
>
> Anyone here old enough to remember "THe Ugly American?"
>
>
> jim
Read the book after seeing Brando in the movie in the 60's, then watched it
on the 6 o'clock news.
John

On Wed, 05 May 2004 17:59:09 -0700, Jim Lane wrote:

> Karen O'Mara wrote:
>
>> Irma > wrote in message >.. .
>>
>>
>>>It is just usless to talk with someone like you, one can't change the point
>>>of view of someone so narrow minded. I'm sure that you haven't got the
>>>opportunity to live in another continet, to see the whole picture. You
>>>can't even imagine that America is a huge continent with many countries
>>>because problably you have never been out of yours. I know Jim and I are
>>>right, but as for me, you can continue believing that idea, maybe you
>>>deserve it.
>>>
>>>That's it!
>>
>>
>> Actually, America is a country. The Americas -- North America and
>> South America -- are two, count 'em, two continents. Yes, I have lived
>> Europe for a year. Europeans refer to residents of the US as
>> Americans...
>>
>> I don't know why you're so adamant about this American Thing, Irma.
>> Next you'll be telling me that the phrase, The Stars and Stripes, are
>> embraced by the Russians. Or, that New England is in the United
>> Kingdom, or something. Snap out of it! Or, that Denial is only a river
>> in Egypt.
>>
>> Karen
>
> America is not a country. Find it on any geo-political map and prove me
> wrong, airhead. The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is a country. America is
> how we chose to shorten the name, just as Mexico shortens its official
> name. Are you really this stooopid or are you trying to be obtuse?
>
>

Right Jim, or political/legal name is Estados Unidos Mexicanos. The short
name Mexico can be found in any map, contrary to the United States of
America's short name.

Irma.

On Wed, 05 May 2004 12:10:45 -0700, Dan Abel wrote:

> In article >,
> (Karen O'Mara) wrote:
>
>
>> It's not that people *need* self-identification for a term to come to
>> common usage. It's just how it evolved. It's not like Americans took a
>> vote with everybody in the whole world and argued that we *needed* the
>> term to ourselves. It's just the way it is. It's not all
>> self-righteous or anything. Dang, you'd think Americans were asking
>> for the copy-right or something...
>
>
> What we Ugly Americans should be learning here is that our perceptions
> about what words mean are not the same as the perceptions of people who
> live in other countries. In the US, we think that "US" and "american" are
> synonyms, whereas in other parts of the world they aren't. It's not a
> case of right or wrong, it's a case of words having different meanings to
> different people. We need to recognize the right of people in other
> countries to use words differently.

Right you are. I expressed this somewhere here, but you explained it much
better. And I thank very much the posts of all of you, also Karen's because
I have learnt one aspect of the U.S.culture, idea of nationality, and the
meaning of "American" for U.S. citizens.

>
> I was listening to the radio yesterday morning and they were playing an
> interview with a US soldier who had escaped from Iraqi hands. He was in a
> US military hospital in Germany and said he was looking forward to going
> back to America. It was pretty obvious that he thought that "america"
> meant the US. That's how we use the word in this country.

You reminded me what Juarez said once "El respeto al derecho ajeno es la
paz". I must respect what other people think/believe, even I don't agree
with them, and I will....

Tks Abel.