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Why on earth do American celebrate Cinco de Mayo?
In speaking with many Mexican friends, they all say that it's about their equivalent of Labor Day. If we wanted to have a party about Mexico, here in the US, shouldn't we celebrate "El Grito", the 16th of September? Mexican Independence Day? Simplistic thinking says: "it started by Corona Beer's advertisements". Yet, I'm sure there's more to it than that. The obvious that it's a good day to have a beer or margarita is also, not much help. Well . . . it never hurts to have a beer . . . but that's another story. Anybody out there know anything? |
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Mark Preston wrote:
> Why on earth do American celebrate Cinco de Mayo? > > In speaking with many Mexican friends, they all say that it's about > their equivalent of Labor Day. If we wanted to have a party about > Mexico, here in the US, shouldn't we celebrate "El Grito", the 16th of > September? Mexican Independence Day? > > Simplistic thinking says: "it started by Corona Beer's > advertisements". Yet, I'm sure there's more to it than that. > > The obvious that it's a good day to have a beer or margarita is also, > not much help. Well . . . it never hurts to have a beer . . . but > that's another story. > > Anybody out there know anything? Best way to think about it might be Armed Forces Day. It is military in nature and was the first (?) time the Mexican Army beat the French at the battle of Puebla. It has served as a good break between Easter and the semester end and is just another reason for gringos to party. Mexican Independence Day is September 16. jim |
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Mark Preston wrote: > Why on earth do American celebrate Cinco de Mayo? > > In speaking with many Mexican friends, they all say that it's about > their equivalent of Labor Day. If we wanted to have a party about > Mexico, here in the US, shouldn't we celebrate "El Grito", the 16th of > September? Mexican Independence Day? > > Simplistic thinking says: "it started by Corona Beer's > advertisements". Yet, I'm sure there's more to it than that. > > The obvious that it's a good day to have a beer or margarita is also, > not much help. Well . . . it never hurts to have a beer . . . but > that's another story. > > Anybody out there know anything? There is some historical opinion that the Battle of Puebla, May 5, 1862, was historically important to the United States as well as Mexico. The French, Spanish and English had come to Mexico supposedly to collect debts. The Spanish and English quickly did so and left. The French had more ambitious plans...annex Mexico, support and supply the Confederate Army to ultimately divide and destroy the United States. The underestimated Mexicans kept the French pre-occupied long enough for the Union Army to defeat the Confederates and preserve the Union. With the Civil War over, the U.S. sent its support south with supplies, arms and men to help the Mexicans defeat the French and win their independence. I'd say it's appropriate for U.S. citizens to offer a toast to the Mexican victory at Puebla and join the Mexicans in their celebration. Rich |
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Are you serious? You ask, Why on earth do Americans celebrate Cinco de Mayo?
Don't you realize that Americans at large find any excuse to have a party? Race "Mark Preston" > wrote in message om... > Why on earth do American celebrate Cinco de Mayo? > > In speaking with many Mexican friends, they all say that it's about > their equivalent of Labor Day. If we wanted to have a party about > Mexico, here in the US, shouldn't we celebrate "El Grito", the 16th of > September? Mexican Independence Day? > > Simplistic thinking says: "it started by Corona Beer's > advertisements". Yet, I'm sure there's more to it than that. > > The obvious that it's a good day to have a beer or margarita is also, > not much help. Well . . . it never hurts to have a beer . . . but > that's another story. > > Anybody out there know anything? |
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"Rich and Patti" > wrote in message . com... > > Mark Preston wrote: > > There is some historical opinion that the Battle of Puebla, May 5, > 1862, was historically important to the United States as well as > Mexico. The French, Spanish and English had come to Mexico supposedly > to collect debts. The Spanish and English quickly did so and left. > The French had more ambitious plans...annex Mexico, support and supply > the Confederate Army to ultimately divide and destroy the United > States. The underestimated Mexicans kept the French pre-occupied long > enough for the Union Army to defeat the Confederates and preserve the > Union. With the Civil War over, the U.S. sent its support south with > supplies, arms and men to help the Mexicans defeat the French and win > their independence. I'd say it's appropriate for U.S. citizens to > offer a toast to the Mexican victory at Puebla and join the Mexicans > in their celebration. > That, and at least some Americans fought on the Mexican side. These were mostly anti-slave Texans who were prevented from joining up with the Union army. Bob Dietz |
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> "Mark Preston" > wrote in message
> om... > > Why on earth do American celebrate Cinco de Mayo? "Race Bannon" > wrote in message ... > Are you serious? You ask, Why on earth do Americans celebrate Cinco de Mayo? > Don't you realize that Americans at large find any excuse to have a party? > > Race > Yeah Race! Like when you gave Hadji and me that wine and Jessie showed us how to......PARTY! Johnny PS I paid you and I want the negatives. OR ELSE! |
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Irma > wrote in message <snip
> >In speaking with many Mexican friends, they all say that it's about > >their equivalent of Labor Day. If we wanted to have a party about > >Mexico, here in the US, shouldn't we celebrate "El Grito", the 16th of > >September? Mexican Independence Day? DID YOU READ THIS PART? |
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Thanks, Rich,
Tu tiene razon! But, it still doesn't explain how it came to be a popular AMERICAN holiday. |
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To all the people below my ORIGINAL post, namely:
|-14 Jim Lane Apr 26, 2004 |-15 Rich and Patti Apr 27, 2004 | \-16 Bob Dietz Apr 27, 2004 \-17 Race Bannon Apr 27, 2004 \-18 Johnny Quest Apr I am asking why the United States had decided to celebrate a holiday of another country. We don't celebrate anything from Canada, Costa Rica, Puerto Rico, Azerbijan, etc. Now, anybody got any clues? |
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Mark Preston wrote:
> Thanks, Rich, > > Tu tiene razon! > > But, it still doesn't explain how it came to be a popular AMERICAN holiday. Mexicans, btw, are Americans. Not USians, but Americans. Just like Canadians and Brazilians. . . common usage aside. It is popular for the reason I mentioned. Were it not for all the US college students flocking south for a blow-off before finals and Corona catering to them, it would be below most everyone's radar screen - unless they came from Mexico, historical ties to the US notwithstanding. This "holiday" back in the 60's barely raised eyebrows here in SoCal. As college kids picked up on the day's timing relative to the usual semester flow of holidays and tests, it became another reason to go south and blow-off steam. Nada mas. Corona, which had gained entry into the US on the back of surfers going south, saw a good thing. The rest is history. Cinco is celebrated by a lot of Mexicna Americans in the US because of their heritage. Look at any big city's Italian section of town on big holidays or Oktoberfest, if you think only Mexicnas do this. And we "Americans" celebrate our own holidays while in foreign countries. We celebrated Thanksgiving in Guadalajara and the 4th of July. jim |
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Mark Preston wrote:
> To all the people below my ORIGINAL post, namely: > > > |-14 Jim Lane Apr 26, 2004 > |-15 Rich and Patti Apr 27, 2004 > | \-16 Bob Dietz Apr 27, 2004 > \-17 Race Bannon Apr 27, 2004 > \-18 Johnny Quest Apr > > > I am asking why the United States had decided to celebrate a holiday > of another country. We don't celebrate anything from Canada, Costa > Rica, Puerto Rico, Azerbijan, etc. > > Now, anybody got any clues? It is an informal celebration. Otherwise, should me some congressional act declaring it a holiday. And then, find that same recognition for Oktoberfest. . . Get a grip. jim |
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"Mark Preston" > wrote in message om... > To all the people below my ORIGINAL post, namely: > > > |-14 Jim Lane Apr 26, 2004 > |-15 Rich and Patti Apr 27, 2004 > | \-16 Bob Dietz Apr 27, 2004 > \-17 Race Bannon Apr 27, 2004 > \-18 Johnny Quest Apr > > > I am asking why the United States had decided to celebrate a holiday > of another country. > There are 63 million Mexicans in the US. Texas and California, the largest of the continental states are inextricably linked to Mexico by history and population. That's why. |
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I love any holiday that isn't as commercial as Christmas. I like Cinco de Mayo as I've spent most of my adult life (40 years now) living in the Southwest U.S. and as such am in favor of 5/5. Still, from a cultural viewpoint, I wish I could understand how we came to pick this day over any other. Still, that is not the reason 5/5 celebrated from Maine to San Diego. Admittedly, Corona had a lot to do with using the day to 'knock back a few', but come on . . . below is a list of the Mexican "official" holidays. If we had to pick just one, would we have chosen Cinco de Mayo on our own? Would not Constitution Day be somewhat more similar with US? By the bye: I see signs that the US is now starting to celebrate Dia de los Muertos, tambien. You and each of you "get a grip" (gripe) Mexican Holidays Banks, governmental institutions, and some businesses will be. January 1 Año Nuevo (New Year's Day). Celebrated with fireworks on New Year's eve and Parades and Fiestas on New Year's Day. February 5 Día de la Constitución (Constitution Day). Anniversary of the new Constitution which came into effect in 1917. March 21 Aniversario de Benito Juarez (Benito Juarez's Birthday). Celebration of the birthday of one of Mexico's greatest national heroes. Easter Week Easter is one of the most celebrated holidays in Mexico. Fiestas, parades, visits to the family and numerous religious processions and services mark the event. May 1 Día del Trabajo (Day of Work). Celebrated with a large parade. May 5 Día de la Batalla de Puebla (Cinco de Mayo). Celebrated in remembrance of the defeat of the French at Puebla in 1862. September 1 State of the nation address by the president, a tradition since 1824. September 16 Día de la Independencia (Independence Day). Celebrated by the traditional "grito" or call to arms that Father Hidalgo called out at the start of the war for independence. Parades, fiestas, fireworks, and other celebrations mark the occasion. October 12 Día de la Raza (Day of the Race). The day that Columbus discovered America. Celebrated in Mexico as the day that the Spanish and Indian people merged to become the Mexican people. November 1 & 2 Todos los Santos (All Saint's Day) and Día de los Muertos (All Soul's Day). Celebrated by remembrance of the dead with flowers, food, drink, and candles at the nation's cemeteries. November 2 Día de los Muertos (Dai of the dead), the day the sould of the dead are believed to return to earth. Not really an official holiday but widely celebrated and perhaps Mexico's most characteristic event. You'll see signs of this celebration all over the place. November 20 Día de la Revolución (Day of the Revolution). The anniversary of Madero's call to arms to oust Porfirio Diaz. Celebrated with long parades, fiestas, and fireworks. December 8 Festival of the Immaculate Conception. Celbrated with religious festivities across the nation. December 12 Fiesta de nuestra Señora de Guadalupe (Festival of Our Lady of Guadalupe) Celebrated by pilgrimages to the Basilica of the Madonna of Guadalupe in Mexico City, processions in cities all over the country, dance performances and Catholic Mass. December 25 Navidad (Christmas). Celebrated with gift giving and religious services. In addition to these national holidays, there are many local holidays and festivals unique to individual cities. |
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Mark Preston wrote:
> <snip> > > I love any holiday that isn't as commercial as Christmas. I like Cinco > de Mayo as I've spent most of my adult life (40 years now) living in > the Southwest U.S. and as such am in favor of 5/5. Still, from a > cultural viewpoint, I wish I could understand how we came to pick this > day over any other. > Snip of interesting but pointless information. I see everything written has passed right over your head without notice. It is a good time for college kids to blow off steam before finals. Any words you do not understand? Corona pushes it because most of these college kids will be drinking Corona. Any words there you do not understand? I can reduce it to all four-letter words if you still don't get it. But not below the fifth grade level, which seems to be what you may be able to understand.. jim |
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Mark Preston wrote:
> Post of interesting but pointless information. So, you're nothing but a troll. Figures. jim |
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Jim Lane > wrote in message >...
> Mexicans, btw, are Americans. Not USians, but Americans. Just like > Canadians and Brazilians. . . common usage aside. Mexicans are not Americans. Mexican are Mexicans, and Americans are Americans. USA residents are Americans. It's not a controversial term. The definitive term is accepted worldwide. Mexicans are North Americans. Americans are North Americans. Canadians are North Americans. But, Mexicans are not Americans. However, some Americans are Mexican-Americans. Some Americans are African-Americans. Some Americans are English-Dutch-Irish-Mexican-Swedish-French-Americans, and so on, too... Karen |
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Karen O'Mara wrote:
> Jim Lane > wrote in message >... > >>Mexicans, btw, are Americans. Not USians, but Americans. Just like >>Canadians and Brazilians. . . common usage aside. > > > Mexicans are not Americans. > > Mexican are Mexicans, and Americans are Americans. USA residents are > Americans. It's not a controversial term. The definitive term is > accepted worldwide. > > Mexicans are North Americans. Americans are North Americans. Canadians > are North Americans. > > But, Mexicans are not Americans. However, some Americans are > Mexican-Americans. Some Americans are African-Americans. Some > Americans are English-Dutch-Irish-Mexican-Swedish-French-Americans, > and so on, too... > > Karen You are wrong. Anyone from the Americas can call themselves "Americans," the common, COMMON, usage aside. Your ethnocentrism shows clearly. jim |
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Jim Lane > wrote in message
... [snip] > You are wrong. Anyone from the Americas can call themselves > "Americans," From www.m-w.com: Main Entry: 1Amer·i·can Pronunciation: &-'mer-&-k&n, -'m&r-, -'mar-, -i-k&n Function: noun 1 : an American Indian of No. America or So. America 2 : a native or inhabitant of No. America or So. America 3 : a citizen of the U.S. Main Entry: 2American Function: adjective 1 : of or relating to America 2 : of or relating to the U.S. or its possessions or original territory From www.brainydictionary.com : American (a.) Of or pertaining to America; as, the American continent: American Indians. (a.) Of or pertaining to the United States. (n.) A native of America; -- originally applied to the aboriginal inhabitants, but now applied to the descendants of Europeans born in America, and especially to the citizens of the United States. From www.thefreedictionary.com A`mer´i`can Pronunciation: å`m?r´i`kan Noun 1. American - a native or inhabitant of the United States U.S.A., United States, United States of America, US, USA, America, U.S. - North American republic containing 50 states - 48 conterminous states in North America plus Alaska in northwest North America and the Hawaiian Islands in the Pacific Ocean; achieved independence in 1776 denizen, dweller, inhabitant, indweller - a person who inhabits a particular place African-American, Afro-American, Black American - an American whose ancestors were born in Africa Creole - a person descended from French ancestors in southern United States (especially Louisiana) Anglo-American - an American who was born in England or whose ancestors were English Alabaman, Alabamian - a resident of Alabama Alaskan - a resident of Alaska Arizonan, Arizonian - a resident of Arizona Arkansan, Arkansawyer - a resident of Arkansas Bay Stater - a resident of Massachusetts Californian - a resident of California Carolinian - a resident of the Carolinas Coloradan - a resident of Colorado Connecticuter - a resident of Connecticut Delawarean, Delawarian - a resident of Delaware Floridian - a resident of Florida Franco-American - an American who was born in France or whose ancestors were French German American - an American who was born in Germany or whose ancestors were German Georgian - a resident of the American state of Georgia Hawaiian - a resident of Hawaii Idahoan - a resident of Idaho Illinoisan - a resident of Illinois Hoosier, Indianan - a resident of Indiana Iowan - a resident of Iowa Kansan - a resident of Kansas Kentuckian - a resident of Kentucky Louisianan, Louisianian - a resident of Louisiana Down Easter, Mainer - a resident of Maine Bostonian - a resident of Boston Michigander, Wolverine - a resident of Michigan Minnesotan - a resident of Minnesota Mississippian - a resident of Mississippi Missourian - a resident of Missouri Montanan - a resident of Montana Nebraskan, Cornhusker - a resident of Nebraska Nevadan - a resident of Nevada New Hampshirite - a resident of New Hampshire New Jerseyan, New Jerseyite - a resident of New Jersey New Yorker - a resident of New York (especially a resident of New York City) North Carolinian - a resident of North Carolina North Dakotan - a resident of North Dakota Ohioan, Buckeye - a resident of Ohio Oregonian - a resident of Oregon Pennsylvanian - a resident of Pennsylvania Rhode Islander - a resident of Rhode Island South Carolinian - a resident of South Carolina South Dakotan - a resident of South Dakota Tennessean - a resident of Tennessee Texan - a resident of Texas Utahan - a resident of Utah Vermonter - a resident of Vermont Virginian - a resident of Virginia Washingtonian - a resident of the state of Washington Washingtonian - a resident of the city of Washington West Virginian - a resident of West Virginia Wisconsinite - a resident of Wisconsin 2. American - the English language as used in the United States American English, American language English, English language - an Indo-European language belonging to the West Germanic branch; the official language of Britain and the United States and most of the Commonwealth countries Black English, Black English Vernacular, Ebonics - a nonstandard form of American English spoken by some Black people in the United States 3. American - a native or inhabitant of a North American or Central American or South American country North America - the nations of the North American continent collectively South America - the nations of the South American continent collectively; "South America is an important market for goods from the United States" denizen, dweller, inhabitant, indweller - a person who inhabits a particular place Creole - a person of European descent born in the West Indies or Latin America North American - a native or inhabitant of North America South American - a native or inhabitant of South America Mesoamerican - a member of one of the varioous peoples inhabiting Mesoamerica West Indian - a native or inhabitant of the West Indies Adj. 1. American - of or relating to the United States of America or its people or language or culture; "American citizens"; "American English"; "the American dream" 2. American - of or relating to or characteristic of the continents and islands of the Americas; "the American hemisphere"; "American flora and fauna" > Your ethnocentrism shows clearly. As does your ignorance, yet again. Don't you ever get tired of being proven wrong on things you have no idea about? The Ranger -- I called you [Jim Lane] arrogant, but should have used a much longer list of pejoratives. -- Oorah!!, sdnet.eats, 6/17/03 |
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The Ranger wrote:
> Jim Lane > wrote in message > ... > [snip] > >>You are wrong. Anyone from the Americas can call themselves >>"Americans," > > From www.m-w.com: > Main Entry: 1Amer·i·can > 2 : a native or inhabitant of No. America or So. America > snip > > > >>Your ethnocentrism shows clearly. > > > As does your ignorance, yet again. > > Don't you ever get tired of being proven wrong on things you have no idea > about? > > The Ranger Any words you don't understand, mentalmidget? Using the idiot's rubric, there is no such thing as an Asian, an African (except those from the country of South Africa), or European. Now, take your bs attitude and park it in your left ear. You can find it in that proverbail spot where the sun doesn't shine. jim |
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On Mon, 03 May 2004 13:22:52 -0700, Jim Lane wrote:
> Karen O'Mara wrote: > >> Jim Lane > wrote in message >... >> >>>Mexicans, btw, are Americans. Not USians, but Americans. Just like >>>Canadians and Brazilians. . . common usage aside. >> >> >> Mexicans are not Americans. >> >> Mexican are Mexicans, and Americans are Americans. USA residents are >> Americans. It's not a controversial term. The definitive term is >> accepted worldwide. >> >> Mexicans are North Americans. Americans are North Americans. Canadians >> are North Americans. >> >> But, Mexicans are not Americans. However, some Americans are >> Mexican-Americans. Some Americans are African-Americans. Some >> Americans are English-Dutch-Irish-Mexican-Swedish-French-Americans, >> and so on, too... >> >> Karen > > > You are wrong. Anyone from the Americas can call themselves "Americans," > the common, COMMON, usage aside. > > This is right and logical.... Anyone who was born in the American continent (from Patagonia to Alaska) is an American. U.S. citizens are North Americans as well as Brazilians are South Americans.... being more specific. U.S. citizens call themselves American and it is ok, but the adjective/"gentilicio" American is not exclusive for U.S. citizens. Any German, Italian, Poland is a European, since he was born in the European continent. Irma. |
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On Mon, 3 May 2004 14:09:03 -0700, The Ranger wrote:
> Jim Lane > wrote in message > ... > [snip] >> You are wrong. Anyone from the Americas can call themselves >> "Americans," (snip) > 3. American - a native or inhabitant of a North American or Central > American or South American country > North America - the nations of the North American continent collectively > South America - the nations of the South American continent collectively; (snip) > Adj. 1. American - of or relating to the United States of America or its > people or language or culture; "American citizens"; "American English"; "the > American dream" > 2. American - of or relating to or characteristic of the continents and > islands of the Americas; "the American hemisphere"; "American flora and > fauna" From your own post.... Here in Germany my Spanish language is American Spanish. I can't see any problem to figure out that any person from America continent is an American regardless which country he/she was born. Irma. |
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The Ranger wrote:
> Jim Lane > wrote in message > ... > [snip] > >>You are wrong. Anyone from the Americas can call themselves >>"Americans," > > From www.m-w.com: > Main Entry: 1Amer·i·can > Pronunciation: &-'mer-&-k&n, -'m&r-, -'mar-, -i-k&n > Function: noun > 1 : an American Indian of No. America or So. America > 2 : a native or inhabitant of No. America or So. America BTW ranger, did you notice that m-w left the countries and citizens of Central America out of their definition? (Gratuitous insult not made). jim |
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Jim Lane > wrote in message >...
> You are wrong. Anyone from the Americas can call themselves "Americans," > the common, COMMON, usage aside. > But, they don't, siwie! > Your ethnocentrism shows clearly. Hey, I didn't invent the definitive answer. Even Marily Von Sauvant mentions this acceptable definition of "American" in last Sunday's paper. Karen |
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Irma > wrote in message > ...
> I can't see any problem to figure out that any person from America > continent is an American regardless which country he/she was born. Show me one Mexican or a Canadian who calls themself an "American," and I'll eat my hat. I realize that it seems like it should be so, but it just isn't. Karen |
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Karen O'Mara > wrote in message
om... > Show me one Mexican or a Canadian who calls themself > an "American," and I'll eat my hat! [snip] Ditto any Argentinean, Bolivian, Peruvian, Brazilian, or national from Central America... They are Argentinean or Bolivian or Brazilian or Peruvian or <insert any Central American country> first and only. They happen to live in South America or Central America but do not refer to themselves as "Americans." The Ranger |
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On 4 May 2004 12:35:23 -0700, Karen O'Mara wrote:
> Irma > wrote in message > ... >> I can't see any problem to figure out that any person from America >> continent is an American regardless which country he/she was born. > > Show me one Mexican or a Canadian who calls themself an "American," > and I'll eat my hat. > > I realize that it seems like it should be so, but it just isn't. > You are right, we don't call ourselves Americans because our country has its very onw name Mexico.... and everyone how is studied knows that Mexico is in America therefore we are Americans... it is implied, isn't it? But you wrote this: >But, Mexicans are not Americans. However, some Americans are >Mexican-Americans. Some Americans are African-Americans. Some >Americans are English-Dutch-Irish-Mexican-Swedish-French-Americans, >and so on, too... And I just wanted to tell you, that your point of view was wrong, that we Mexican ARE Americans, even some U.S. citizens don't like it. Irma. |
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> Jim Lane > wrote in message >... >> Mexicans, btw, are Americans. Not USians, but Americans. Just like >> Canadians and Brazilians. . . common usage aside. > > Mexicans are not Americans. > > Mexican are Mexicans, and Americans are Americans. USA residents are > Americans. It's not a controversial term. The definitive term is > accepted worldwide. > > Mexicans are North Americans. Americans are North Americans. Canadians > are North Americans. > > But, Mexicans are not Americans. However, some Americans are > Mexican-Americans. Some Americans are African-Americans. Some > Americans are English-Dutch-Irish-Mexican-Swedish-French-Americans, > and so on, too... > > Karen Mexicans *are* Americans, actually. They happen to live on the very same continent, if you like it or not. OTOH, I wouldn't dare to call a Mexican "Americano". He might take offense. Obviously it's only citizens of the US that have adopted the name of the continent. Does this indicate a lack of identity? So actually it seems you're right, but I don't like it. Juergen |
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On Tue, 4 May 2004 13:09:25 -0700, The Ranger wrote:
> Karen O'Mara > wrote in message > om... >> Show me one Mexican or a Canadian who calls themself >> an "American," and I'll eat my hat! > [snip] > > Ditto any Argentinean, Bolivian, Peruvian, Brazilian, or national from > Central America... They are Argentinean or Bolivian or Brazilian or Peruvian > or <insert any Central American country> first and only. They happen to live > in South America or Central America but do not refer to themselves as > "Americans." > > The Ranger Yes Ranger we really don't need to borrow the name of the continent to say our nationality. Brazil, Brazilians; Bolivia, Bolivian; Mexico, Mexicans; U.S.A, oops! .... Can you give me the Nationality? Americans? ... Anyway the first thing here was that Mexicans were not Americans, now we saw that we are, aren't we? If we refer ourselves as Americans or not.... this is another story... As I explained above we don't need it. Irma. |
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Irma > asked in message
... > Can you give me the Nationality? Americans? ... Heinz 57 (aka Americans). The Ranger |
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On Tue, 4 May 2004 13:58:07 -0700, "The Ranger"
> wrote: >Irma > asked in message . .. >> Can you give me the Nationality? Americans? ... > >Heinz 57 (aka Americans). Baskin Robbins. -sw (American mutt) |
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Jim Lane > wrote in message >...
> > BTW ranger, did you notice that m-w left the countries and citizens of > Central America out of their definition? (Gratuitous insult not made). I think Central America (to Panama) is considered part of the continent of North America.. and the US and Canada are sometimes grouped under the term Anglo-America while the rest of North America and South America are grouped under the term Latin America. Karen <not ranger, sorry...> |
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Irma > wrote in message >.. .
> This is right and logical.... > > Anyone who was born in the American continent (from Patagonia to Alaska) is > an American. U.S. citizens are North Americans as well as Brazilians are > South Americans.... being more specific. U.S. citizens call themselves > American and it is ok, but the adjective/"gentilicio" American is not > exclusive for U.S. citizens. > > Any German, Italian, Poland is a European, since he was born in the > European continent. Sometimes logically explanations are just wrong in real life. US citizens, Canadians, Mexicans are all North Americans, true. But, the US citizen will be the only American of the three. (An Italian may also be a European but a Canadian is not also an American.) "American" is the exclusive term for U.S. citizens. "North American" is not the exclusive term for U.S. citizens. Show me any example, outside the arguments here on this newsgroup, where you can prove this differently... Karen |
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Karen O'Mara wrote:
> Jim Lane > wrote in message >... > >>BTW ranger, did you notice that m-w left the countries and citizens of >>Central America out of their definition? (Gratuitous insult not made). > > > I think Central America (to Panama) is considered part of the > continent of North America.. > > and the US and Canada are sometimes grouped under the term > Anglo-America while the rest of North America and South America are > grouped under the term Latin America. > > Karen <not ranger, sorry...> North, Central and South America. Anglo and Latin. That's it. But all have the right to call themselves Americans. jim |
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Karen O'Mara wrote:
> > "American" is the exclusive term for U.S. citizens. "North American" > is not the exclusive term for U.S. citizens. > > Show me any example, outside the arguments here on this newsgroup, > where you can prove this differently... > > Karen As the dictionary shows, American is NOT exclusive to those of us from the US. Are you some kind of bigot? Try any dictionary. Ooops, you're not a bigot, you're a blonde. jim |
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Karen O'Mara wrote:
> Jim Lane > wrote in message >... > >>You are wrong. Anyone from the Americas can call themselves "Americans," >>the common, COMMON, usage aside. >> > > > But, they don't, siwie! Have you asked every single one of them? Until you have, you don;t know jack, do you. > > >>Your ethnocentrism shows clearly. > > > Hey, I didn't invent the definitive answer. > > Even Marily Von Sauvant mentions this acceptable definition of > "American" in last Sunday's paper. Don't see her column. Why don't you put up the pertinent part. and the operative word is? Yep, "acceptable." jim |
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Jim Lane > wrote in message >...
> As the dictionary shows, American is NOT exclusive to those of us from > the US. Are you some kind of bigot? Try any dictionary. Ooops, you're > not a bigot, you're a blonde. By your dumb way of thinking, you'll have Peruvians claiming their Americans, along with Manitobans. After all, Peru is in South AMERICA. Happy cinco de mayo! Karen |
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