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oldwetdog wrote:
The End of Years or These Last Days

Now I ask you; why would anyone build Doctrine on Non-Specific terms like
"Come Quickly" when there are specific times given?

Daniel begins a description of world events with a description of the Kings of
Persia, then Alexander the Great. He describes the death of Alexander and the
division of his kingdom into four parts; then, Rome and Egypt.

Then Daniel writes, "And in the end of years they shall join themselves
together..." and indicates the birth of Christ, and thus begins The End of
Years. Daniel goes on to describe world events just prior (v 21) to Christ's
return, (v 45) "And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the
seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none
shall help him." Dan 11:6-45.

It should be clear that just because Daniel penned the words "in the end of
years" that does not mean "the end of years" occurred in his own lifetime. He
was recording events which would occur in "the end of years" as described to
him by the Angel.

2 Peter 3:3. "Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days
scoffers, walking after their own lusts." The same for the term "the last
days." Gen 49:1 "And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves
together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days."

Because Jacob used the term "Last Days" when he was blessing his sons, that
does not mean those were the last days; it does mean that his blessing was for
the Last Days. Since he said to Judah that he would produce the Messiah (v 10)
this is a prophecy of the birth of Christ. This prophecy goes on to say, "and
unto him shall the gathering of the people be." So the prophecy of "the last
days" does not end until the gathering of His People.

Heb 1:2. "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son..." Certainly the
"End of Years" and "The Last Days" began with the birth of Christ, but they do
not end until His return--when He gathers His People.

Mat 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not
taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Mark 1:15 "The time is fulfilled; and the kingdom of God is at hand.."
Luke 9:27 "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall
not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

The people who heard His say "There be some standing here, which shall not
taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom," did see
His Kingdom. His Kingdom was established in Acts 2:38-47, "Praising God, and
having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such
as should be saved." His Kingdom is His Church--Congregation.

Peter specifies the range of this period, commonly called the "last days," in
his sermon in Acts 2:16-21. He declares that, in fulfillment of the prophecy
of Joel, they were in the "last days," which would see the various charismatic
manifestations (tongues, visions, prophecy, signs), until the 'day of the lord.'

There is no suggestion that this "last days" time period would end before the
Lord's return, or that the gift (or gifts) of the Holy Spirit would end.

Actually, Peter promised, "For the promise is unto you, and to your children,
and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." If
the Lord is still calling today, then this promise is still good, today.

"But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be
hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. Heb 3:13, Heb 3:15.
"Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a
time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your
hearts." Heb 4:7

While it is Today if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

The Harvest of Earth
Matt. 13:39 "The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of
the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Rev 14:14 "Send forth thy sickle, and reap: for the hour to reap is come; for
the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16And he that sat on the cloud cast his
sickle upon the earth; and the earth was reaped.

There are many scriptures which seem to suggest that the End is near, and
indeed it is.

Peter said, "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is
with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord
is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is
longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all
should come to repentance.

Time is both meaningless (since He is eternal) to God, and relative; That is,
relative in terms of duration and urgency. Certainly God knows how to tell
time, and His Word contains many prophecies describing the time of His coming.

The following are examples of relative, or "non specific" designations of time:
Romans 13:11-12 "And that, knowing the time.. The night is far spent, the day
is at hand" Rom. 16:20 - "And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your
feet shortly."
Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son" Hebrews 10:37
- "For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry."

I Peter 1:20 "Who (Christ) verily was fore ordained before the foundation of
the world, but was manifest in these last times for you."
I John 2:18 "Little children, it is the last time.. whereby we know that it is
the last time."

Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation.. to shew unto his servants things which must
shortly come to pass."
Revelation 1:3 "The time is at hand."
Revelation 22:6 "These sayings are faithful and true.. things which must
shortly be done."
Revelation 22:10 "Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the
time is at hand."


All of the above are non-specific: None give a time period related to a
prophecy of His return and the harvest of earth.

There are specific prophecies of Time:
Dan 9:24-27, which gives a period of 70 periods of seven (weeks in the KJV) 62
of which were related to the coming of the Messiah and one which is related to
the Abomination. The Lord mentions this time period in Mat 24:15

From the Abomination there will be 3 1/2 days, meaning that there is an event
which will begin the last period of seven and a mid event (the Abomination)
and then the consummation when the Abomination will be destroyed.

John describes the same events: Rev 11:3-13, 13:4-7.

Both Daniel and John give prophecy of days and times:
Daniel 7:25, 8:14, 9:27, 12:10-12. Revelation 11:3, 9-11, 13:5.

Now I ask you; why would anyone build Doctrine on Non-Specific terms like
"Come Quickly" when there are specific times given?


Matthew 24:34 - "This generation shall not pass, till all these things be
fulfilled."

This Generation:
The generation which saw the return of God's People (Mat 1:21) to Jerusalem.

The "times of the Gentiles are fulfilled."


Amen and amen :-)

May the LORD help us all to endure the great tribulation when the Lamb
opens the 6th seal possibly in less than a couple of months (03/29/06),
in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

Amen !!!

Now this is about what are possibly the works of the four horsemen from
the 6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year
into the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man):

(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:

"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to
sleep." - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners
who gave up their lives to save the youngest among them after being
trapped by an explosion in a W.Va mine.

(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:

Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east,
has suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
escalates. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.

(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:

The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

Meanwhile, folks like Bob Pastorio who refuse to use this Approach are
heard muttering that an omer is not a weight measure but a volume
measure somewhere between one and three quarts depending on what the
food is and that liquid foods like milk (emulsified oil) and wine
should not be counted toward daily intake.

(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":

The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic seems to be starting in Turkey and Asia:

http://tinyurl.com/c6nqk

http://tinyurl.com/cy88q

http://tinyurl.com/7phm4

http://tinyurl.com/amj4a

http://tinyurl.com/ddvwq

.... spreading to both Iraq (probably Iran too) and Africa. The H5N1
virus will likely pick up strength in Africa:

http://tinyurl.com/9eren

Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus from Turkey to Iraq and
Africa are wild beasts of the earth:

http://tinyurl.com/exa7o

http://tinyurl.com/cnuyl

http://tinyurl.com/ac3wu

The 5th seal possibly has been opened and glimpses of "the souls of
those who had been slain because of the Word of GOD and the testimony
they had maintained" (Revelation 6:9) can be seen in the newly released
documentary "End of the Spear." Interestingly, the word "end" is at the
**beginning** of the title of this documentary. There are others who
may be waiting to be "slain because of the Word of GOD:"

http://tinyurl.com/76dyx

When will the sun "turn black like sackcloth made of goat hair"
(Revelation 6:12b) ?

It will turn black during the total solar eclipse that will happen
**also** in Turkey on Wednesday 03/29/2006 at around 14:00 hrs LT.

http://tinyurl.com/9hnk2

The order of darkening of the following ancient cities in Turkey:

(1) Ephesus
(2) Smyrna
(3) Pergamum
(4) Thyatira
(5) Sardis
(6) Philadelphia
(7) Laodicea

Will be the same order that Christ Jesus used to address their
respective seven churches:

"Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to
Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyratira, Sardis, Philadelphia and
Laodicea." (Revelation 1:11)

Here's one plausible scenario:

On March 29th, 2006 as U.S. and Israeli coalition forces invade Iran to
effect the mandate that Iran never have nuclear capabilities, Iran uses
those **missing** WMDs that Saddam entrusted to Iran for safekeeping
and this leads to nuclear missiles from coalition forces as a
retaliatory strike that inadvertantly destabilizes the continental
tectonic plates (Europe, Asia, and Africa) that converge in this region
thereby causing a global earthquake. Now read Revelation 6:13-14
slowly and you decide whether there is a fit.

Iran seems adamant about getting the authority to use nuclear weapons:

http://tinyurl.com/9vtms

U.S. Nuclear Subs carry Trident II missiles each packing 8
independently precision targeting nuclear warheads which have 475
kilotons of explosive power each. A single warhead has about 35 times
the explosive power of the "little boy" atomic bomb that was dropped on
Hiroshima at the close of WWII. Each warhead would be guided in
inertially exhibiting a freefall pattern with a forward velocity like
"late figs" dropping " from a fig tree when shaken by a stong
wind."(Revelation 6:13) U.S. Forces will likely use these Trident II
missiles if they lose contact with the outside world while being
attacked with WMDs.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, cooking and nutrition that interest
those following this thread here during the next on-line chat
(02/16/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/8juld


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For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew


Andrew, the lord didn't reshape you, mental illness did. You keep posting
here seeking attention that you cannot get elsewhere. Why don't you just go
away, I hear voices calling you over in alt.christnet.

Khubla



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Snip, Snip
For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew


Andrew, the lord didn't reshape you, mental illness did. You keep

posting
here seeking attention that you cannot get elsewhere. Why don't you

just go
away, I hear voices calling you over in alt.christnet.

Khubla




He's been doing this for years. Short of having his computer taken away
from him nothing will make him stop. The only way to deal with him is to
ignore him (i.e. killfile). I see nothing gained in engaging him on any
level.

L.

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JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
oldwetdog wrote:
The End of Years or These Last Days

Now I ask you; why would anyone build Doctrine on Non-Specific terms like
"Come Quickly" when there are specific times given?

Daniel begins a description of world events with a description of the Kings of
Persia, then Alexander the Great. He describes the death of Alexander and the
division of his kingdom into four parts; then, Rome and Egypt.

Then Daniel writes, "And in the end of years they shall join themselves
together..." and indicates the birth of Christ, and thus begins The End of
Years. Daniel goes on to describe world events just prior (v 21) to Christ's
return, (v 45) "And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the
seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none
shall help him." Dan 11:6-45.

It should be clear that just because Daniel penned the words "in the end of
years" that does not mean "the end of years" occurred in his own lifetime. He
was recording events which would occur in "the end of years" as described to
him by the Angel.

2 Peter 3:3. "Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days
scoffers, walking after their own lusts." The same for the term "the last
days." Gen 49:1 "And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves
together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days."

Because Jacob used the term "Last Days" when he was blessing his sons, that
does not mean those were the last days; it does mean that his blessing was for
the Last Days. Since he said to Judah that he would produce the Messiah (v 10)
this is a prophecy of the birth of Christ. This prophecy goes on to say, "and
unto him shall the gathering of the people be." So the prophecy of "the last
days" does not end until the gathering of His People.

Heb 1:2. "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son..." Certainly the
"End of Years" and "The Last Days" began with the birth of Christ, but they do
not end until His return--when He gathers His People.

Mat 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not
taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Mark 1:15 "The time is fulfilled; and the kingdom of God is at hand.."
Luke 9:27 "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall
not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

The people who heard His say "There be some standing here, which shall not
taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom," did see
His Kingdom. His Kingdom was established in Acts 2:38-47, "Praising God, and
having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such
as should be saved." His Kingdom is His Church--Congregation.

Peter specifies the range of this period, commonly called the "last days," in
his sermon in Acts 2:16-21. He declares that, in fulfillment of the prophecy
of Joel, they were in the "last days," which would see the various charismatic
manifestations (tongues, visions, prophecy, signs), until the 'day of the lord.'

There is no suggestion that this "last days" time period would end before the
Lord's return, or that the gift (or gifts) of the Holy Spirit would end.

Actually, Peter promised, "For the promise is unto you, and to your children,
and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." If
the Lord is still calling today, then this promise is still good, today.

"But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be
hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. Heb 3:13, Heb 3:15.
"Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a
time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your
hearts." Heb 4:7

While it is Today if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

The Harvest of Earth
Matt. 13:39 "The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of
the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Rev 14:14 "Send forth thy sickle, and reap: for the hour to reap is come; for
the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16And he that sat on the cloud cast his
sickle upon the earth; and the earth was reaped.

There are many scriptures which seem to suggest that the End is near, and
indeed it is.

Peter said, "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is
with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord
is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is
longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all
should come to repentance.

Time is both meaningless (since He is eternal) to God, and relative; That is,
relative in terms of duration and urgency. Certainly God knows how to tell
time, and His Word contains many prophecies describing the time of His coming.

The following are examples of relative, or "non specific" designations of time:
Romans 13:11-12 "And that, knowing the time.. The night is far spent, the day
is at hand" Rom. 16:20 - "And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your
feet shortly."
Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son" Hebrews 10:37
- "For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry."

I Peter 1:20 "Who (Christ) verily was fore ordained before the foundation of
the world, but was manifest in these last times for you."
I John 2:18 "Little children, it is the last time.. whereby we know that it is
the last time."

Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation.. to shew unto his servants things which must
shortly come to pass."
Revelation 1:3 "The time is at hand."
Revelation 22:6 "These sayings are faithful and true.. things which must
shortly be done."
Revelation 22:10 "Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the
time is at hand."


All of the above are non-specific: None give a time period related to a
prophecy of His return and the harvest of earth.

There are specific prophecies of Time:
Dan 9:24-27, which gives a period of 70 periods of seven (weeks in the KJV) 62
of which were related to the coming of the Messiah and one which is related to
the Abomination. The Lord mentions this time period in Mat 24:15

From the Abomination there will be 3 1/2 days, meaning that there is an event
which will begin the last period of seven and a mid event (the Abomination)
and then the consummation when the Abomination will be destroyed.

John describes the same events: Rev 11:3-13, 13:4-7.

Both Daniel and John give prophecy of days and times:
Daniel 7:25, 8:14, 9:27, 12:10-12. Revelation 11:3, 9-11, 13:5.

Now I ask you; why would anyone build Doctrine on Non-Specific terms like
"Come Quickly" when there are specific times given?


Matthew 24:34 - "This generation shall not pass, till all these things be
fulfilled."

This Generation:
The generation which saw the return of God's People (Mat 1:21) to Jerusalem.

The "times of the Gentiles are fulfilled."

Amen and amen :-)

Oops and bye-bye.


Bye. You will remain in my prayers, dear JessHC whom I love in Jesus'
most precious and holy name.


"A lie repeated is doubly a lie."


It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.

Glad to see you changed your mind about departing :-)

Oh, by the way, emoticons are silent despair.


Again, that would depend on the emoticon :-)


Only using your dishonest double standards.


Again, sorry my smile bothers you so terribly. Please forgive all my
iniquities.

May the LORD help us all to endure the great tribulation when the Lamb
opens the 6th seal possibly in less than a couple of months (03/29/06),
in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

Amen !!!

Now this is about what are possibly the works of the four horsemen from
the 6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year
into the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man):

(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:

"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to
sleep." - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners
who gave up their lives to save the youngest among them after being
trapped by an explosion in a W.Va mine.

(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:

Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east,
has suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
escalates. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.

(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:

The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

Meanwhile, folks like Bob Pastorio who refuse to use this Approach are
heard muttering that an omer is not a weight measure but a volume
measure somewhere between one and three quarts depending on what the
food is and that liquid foods like milk (emulsified oil) and wine
should not be counted toward daily intake.

(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":

The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic seems to be starting in Turkey and Asia:

http://tinyurl.com/c6nqk

http://tinyurl.com/cy88q

http://tinyurl.com/7phm4

http://tinyurl.com/amj4a

http://tinyurl.com/ddvwq

.... spreading to both Iraq (probably Iran too) and Africa. The H5N1
virus will likely pick up strength in Africa:

http://tinyurl.com/9eren

Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus from Turkey to Iraq and
Africa are wild beasts of the earth:

http://tinyurl.com/exa7o

http://tinyurl.com/cnuyl

http://tinyurl.com/ac3wu

The 5th seal possibly has been opened and glimpses of "the souls of
those who had been slain because of the Word of GOD and the testimony
they had maintained" (Revelation 6:9) can be seen in the newly released
documentary "End of the Spear." Interestingly, the word "end" is at the
**beginning** of the title of this documentary. There are others who
may be waiting to be "slain because of the Word of GOD:"

http://tinyurl.com/76dyx

When will the sun "turn black like sackcloth made of goat hair"
(Revelation 6:12b) ?

It will turn black during the total solar eclipse that will happen
**also** in Turkey on Wednesday 03/29/2006 at around 14:00 hrs LT.

http://tinyurl.com/9hnk2

The order of darkening of the following ancient cities in Turkey:

(1) Ephesus
(2) Smyrna
(3) Pergamum
(4) Thyatira
(5) Sardis
(6) Philadelphia
(7) Laodicea

Will be the same order that Christ Jesus used to address their
respective seven churches:

"Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to
Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyratira, Sardis, Philadelphia and
Laodicea." (Revelation 1:11)

Here's one plausible scenario:

On March 29th, 2006 as U.S. and Israeli coalition forces invade Iran to
effect the mandate that Iran never have nuclear capabilities, Iran uses
those **missing** WMDs that Saddam entrusted to Iran for safekeeping
and this leads to nuclear missiles from coalition forces as a
retaliatory strike that inadvertantly destabilizes the continental
tectonic plates (Europe, Asia, and Africa) that converge in this region
thereby causing a global earthquake. Now read Revelation 6:13-14
slowly and you decide whether there is a fit.

Iran seems adamant about getting the authority to use nuclear weapons:

http://tinyurl.com/9vtms

U.S. Nuclear Subs carry Trident II missiles each packing 8
independently precision targeting nuclear warheads which have 475
kilotons of explosive power each. A single warhead has about 35 times
the explosive power of the "little boy" atomic bomb that was dropped on
Hiroshima at the close of WWII. Each warhead would be guided in
inertially exhibiting a freefall pattern with a forward velocity like
"late figs" dropping " from a fig tree when shaken by a stong
wind."(Revelation 6:13) U.S. Forces will likely use these Trident II
missiles if they lose contact with the outside world while being
attacked with WMDs.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, cooking and nutrition that interest
those following this thread here during the next on-line chat
(02/16/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/8juld

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JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
oldwetdog wrote:
The End of Years or These Last Days

Now I ask you; why would anyone build Doctrine on Non-Specific terms like
"Come Quickly" when there are specific times given?

Daniel begins a description of world events with a description of the Kings of
Persia, then Alexander the Great. He describes the death of Alexander and the
division of his kingdom into four parts; then, Rome and Egypt.

Then Daniel writes, "And in the end of years they shall join themselves
together..." and indicates the birth of Christ, and thus begins The End of
Years. Daniel goes on to describe world events just prior (v 21) to Christ's
return, (v 45) "And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the
seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none
shall help him." Dan 11:6-45.

It should be clear that just because Daniel penned the words "in the end of
years" that does not mean "the end of years" occurred in his own lifetime. He
was recording events which would occur in "the end of years" as described to
him by the Angel.

2 Peter 3:3. "Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days
scoffers, walking after their own lusts." The same for the term "the last
days." Gen 49:1 "And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves
together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days."

Because Jacob used the term "Last Days" when he was blessing his sons, that
does not mean those were the last days; it does mean that his blessing was for
the Last Days. Since he said to Judah that he would produce the Messiah (v 10)
this is a prophecy of the birth of Christ. This prophecy goes on to say, "and
unto him shall the gathering of the people be." So the prophecy of "the last
days" does not end until the gathering of His People.

Heb 1:2. "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son..." Certainly the
"End of Years" and "The Last Days" began with the birth of Christ, but they do
not end until His return--when He gathers His People.

Mat 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not
taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Mark 1:15 "The time is fulfilled; and the kingdom of God is at hand.."
Luke 9:27 "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall
not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

The people who heard His say "There be some standing here, which shall not
taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom," did see
His Kingdom. His Kingdom was established in Acts 2:38-47, "Praising God, and
having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such
as should be saved." His Kingdom is His Church--Congregation.

Peter specifies the range of this period, commonly called the "last days," in
his sermon in Acts 2:16-21. He declares that, in fulfillment of the prophecy
of Joel, they were in the "last days," which would see the various charismatic
manifestations (tongues, visions, prophecy, signs), until the 'day of the lord.'

There is no suggestion that this "last days" time period would end before the
Lord's return, or that the gift (or gifts) of the Holy Spirit would end.

Actually, Peter promised, "For the promise is unto you, and to your children,
and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." If
the Lord is still calling today, then this promise is still good, today.

"But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be
hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. Heb 3:13, Heb 3:15.
"Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a
time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your
hearts." Heb 4:7

While it is Today if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

The Harvest of Earth
Matt. 13:39 "The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of
the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Rev 14:14 "Send forth thy sickle, and reap: for the hour to reap is come; for
the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16And he that sat on the cloud cast his
sickle upon the earth; and the earth was reaped.

There are many scriptures which seem to suggest that the End is near, and
indeed it is.

Peter said, "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is
with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord
is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is
longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all
should come to repentance.

Time is both meaningless (since He is eternal) to God, and relative; That is,
relative in terms of duration and urgency. Certainly God knows how to tell
time, and His Word contains many prophecies describing the time of His coming.

The following are examples of relative, or "non specific" designations of time:
Romans 13:11-12 "And that, knowing the time.. The night is far spent, the day
is at hand" Rom. 16:20 - "And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your
feet shortly."
Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son" Hebrews 10:37
- "For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry."

I Peter 1:20 "Who (Christ) verily was fore ordained before the foundation of
the world, but was manifest in these last times for you."
I John 2:18 "Little children, it is the last time.. whereby we know that it is
the last time."

Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation.. to shew unto his servants things which must
shortly come to pass."
Revelation 1:3 "The time is at hand."
Revelation 22:6 "These sayings are faithful and true.. things which must
shortly be done."
Revelation 22:10 "Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the
time is at hand."


All of the above are non-specific: None give a time period related to a
prophecy of His return and the harvest of earth.

There are specific prophecies of Time:
Dan 9:24-27, which gives a period of 70 periods of seven (weeks in the KJV) 62
of which were related to the coming of the Messiah and one which is related to
the Abomination. The Lord mentions this time period in Mat 24:15

From the Abomination there will be 3 1/2 days, meaning that there is an event
which will begin the last period of seven and a mid event (the Abomination)
and then the consummation when the Abomination will be destroyed.

John describes the same events: Rev 11:3-13, 13:4-7.

Both Daniel and John give prophecy of days and times:
Daniel 7:25, 8:14, 9:27, 12:10-12. Revelation 11:3, 9-11, 13:5.

Now I ask you; why would anyone build Doctrine on Non-Specific terms like
"Come Quickly" when there are specific times given?


Matthew 24:34 - "This generation shall not pass, till all these things be
fulfilled."

This Generation:
The generation which saw the return of God's People (Mat 1:21) to Jerusalem.

The "times of the Gentiles are fulfilled."

Amen and amen :-)

Oops and bye-bye.

Bye. You will remain in my prayers, dear JessHC whom I love in Jesus'
most precious and holy name.

"A lie repeated is doubly a lie."


It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.


Liar.


False witness.

Glad to see you changed your mind about departing :-)


Stalker.


Sorry you still feel stalked by this advisory. Please forgive all my
trespasses.

Oh, by the way, emoticons are silent despair.

Again, that would depend on the emoticon :-)

Only using your dishonest double standards.


Again, sorry my smile bothers you so terribly.


Hypocrit.


A smile is not hypocrisy :-)

May the LORD help us all to endure the great tribulation when the Lamb
opens the 6th seal possibly in less than a couple of months (03/29/06),
in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

Amen !!!

Now this is about what are possibly the works of the four horsemen from
the 6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year
into the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man):

(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:

"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to
sleep." - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners
who gave up their lives to save the youngest among them after being
trapped by an explosion in a W.Va mine.

(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:

Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east,
has suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
escalates. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.

(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:

The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

Meanwhile, folks like Bob Pastorio who refuse to use this Approach are
heard muttering that an omer is not a weight measure but a volume
measure somewhere between one and three quarts depending on what the
food is and that liquid foods like milk (emulsified oil) and wine
should not be counted toward daily intake.

(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":

The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic seems to be starting in Turkey and Asia:

http://tinyurl.com/c6nqk

http://tinyurl.com/cy88q

http://tinyurl.com/7phm4

http://tinyurl.com/amj4a

http://tinyurl.com/ddvwq

.... spreading to both Iraq (probably Iran too) and Africa. The H5N1
virus will likely pick up strength in Africa:

http://tinyurl.com/9eren

Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus from Turkey to Iraq,
Africa, and Europe are wild beasts of the earth:

http://tinyurl.com/exa7o

http://tinyurl.com/cnuyl

http://tinyurl.com/ac3wu

http://tinyurl.com/awog5

The 5th seal possibly has been opened and glimpses of "the souls of
those who had been slain because of the Word of GOD and the testimony
they had maintained" (Revelation 6:9) can be seen in the newly released
documentary "End of the Spear." Interestingly, the word "end" is at the
**beginning** of the title of this documentary. There are others who
may be waiting to be "slain because of the Word of GOD:"

http://tinyurl.com/76dyx

When will the sun "turn black like sackcloth made of goat hair"
(Revelation 6:12b) ?

It will turn black during the total solar eclipse that will happen
**also** in Turkey on Wednesday 03/29/2006 at around 14:00 hrs LT.

http://tinyurl.com/9hnk2

The order of darkening of the following ancient cities in Turkey:

(1) Ephesus
(2) Smyrna
(3) Pergamum
(4) Thyatira
(5) Sardis
(6) Philadelphia
(7) Laodicea

Will be the same order that Christ Jesus used to address their
respective seven churches:

"Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to
Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyratira, Sardis, Philadelphia and
Laodicea." (Revelation 1:11)

Here's one plausible scenario:

On March 29th, 2006 as U.S. and Israeli coalition forces invade Iran to
effect the mandate that Iran never have nuclear capabilities, Iran uses
those **missing** WMDs that Saddam entrusted to Iran for safekeeping
and this leads to nuclear missiles from coalition forces as a
retaliatory strike that inadvertantly destabilizes the continental
tectonic plates (Europe, Asia, and Africa) that converge in this region
thereby causing a global earthquake. Now read Revelation 6:13-14
slowly and you decide whether there is a fit.

Iran seems adamant about getting the authority to use nuclear weapons:

http://tinyurl.com/9vtms

U.S. Nuclear Subs carry Trident II missiles each packing 8
independently precision targeting nuclear warheads which have 475
kilotons of explosive power each. A single warhead has about 35 times
the explosive power of the "little boy" atomic bomb that was dropped on
Hiroshima at the close of WWII. Each warhead would be guided in
inertially exhibiting a freefall pattern with a forward velocity like
"late figs" dropping " from a fig tree when shaken by a stong
wind."(Revelation 6:13) U.S. Forces will likely use these Trident II
missiles if they lose contact with the outside world while being
attacked with WMDs.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, cooking and nutrition that interest
those following this thread here during the next on-line chat
(02/16/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/8juld



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big jackass
why you posting this into the food group?
uh?

for a doctor you're sure not very bright

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

nigga please! we trying to discuss food over here

keep that petty trivial assinign weak watered down yellow bellied
powerless discussion over there!

BTW: Now Im doctor too! wow it took all of 2 seconds to become one

now chicks can dig me and people can go wow

later Jackass

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Michael Gray wrote:
On 13 Feb 2006 22:29:31 -0800, "Switch"
wrote:
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big jackass
why you posting this into the food group?
uh?

for a doctor you're sure not very bright


He's a truly dangerous and delusional florid schizophrenic,
beyond all rational help.


It seems to be your choice to bear false witness. Nonetheless, you
will be in my prayers dear Michael whom I love, in Jesus' most precious
and holy name.

May the LORD help us all to endure the great tribulation when the Lamb
opens the 6th seal possibly in less than a couple of months (03/29/06),
in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

Amen !!!

Now this is about what are possibly the works of the four horsemen from
the 6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year
into the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man):

(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:

"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to
sleep." - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners
who gave up their lives to save the youngest among them after being
trapped by an explosion in a W.Va mine.

(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:

Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east,
has suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
escalates. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime soon.

(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:

The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

Meanwhile, folks like Bob Pastorio who refuse to use this Approach are
heard muttering that an omer is not a weight measure but a volume
measure somewhere between one and three quarts depending on what the
food is and that liquid foods like milk (emulsified oil) and wine
should not be counted toward daily intake.

(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":

The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic seems to be starting in Turkey and Asia:

http://tinyurl.com/c6nqk

http://tinyurl.com/cy88q

http://tinyurl.com/7phm4

http://tinyurl.com/amj4a

http://tinyurl.com/ddvwq

.... spreading to both Iraq (probably Iran too) and Africa. The H5N1
virus will likely pick up strength in Africa:

http://tinyurl.com/9eren

Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus from Turkey to Iraq,
Africa, and Europe are wild beasts of the earth:

http://tinyurl.com/exa7o

http://tinyurl.com/cnuyl

http://tinyurl.com/ac3wu

http://tinyurl.com/awog5

The 5th seal possibly has been opened and glimpses of "the souls of
those who had been slain because of the Word of GOD and the testimony
they had maintained" (Revelation 6:9) can be seen in the newly released
documentary "End of the Spear." Interestingly, the word "end" is at the
**beginning** of the title of this documentary. There are others who
may be waiting to be "slain because of the Word of GOD:"

http://tinyurl.com/76dyx

When will the sun "turn black like sackcloth made of goat hair"
(Revelation 6:12b) ?

It will turn black during the total solar eclipse that will happen
**also** in Turkey on Wednesday 03/29/2006 at around 14:00 hrs LT.

http://tinyurl.com/9hnk2

The order of darkening of the following ancient cities in Turkey:

(1) Ephesus
(2) Smyrna
(3) Pergamum
(4) Thyatira
(5) Sardis
(6) Philadelphia
(7) Laodicea

Will be the same order that Christ Jesus used to address their
respective seven churches:

"Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to
Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyratira, Sardis, Philadelphia and
Laodicea." (Revelation 1:11)

Here's one plausible scenario:

On March 29th, 2006 as U.S. and Israeli coalition forces invade Iran to
effect the mandate that Iran never have nuclear capabilities, Iran uses
those **missing** WMDs that Saddam entrusted to Iran for safekeeping
and this leads to nuclear missiles from coalition forces as a
retaliatory strike that inadvertantly destabilizes the continental
tectonic plates (Europe, Asia, and Africa) that converge in this region
thereby causing a global earthquake. Now read Revelation 6:13-14
slowly and you decide whether there is a fit.

Iran seems adamant about getting the authority to use nuclear weapons:

http://tinyurl.com/9vtms

U.S. Nuclear Subs carry Trident II missiles each packing 8
independently precision targeting nuclear warheads which have 475
kilotons of explosive power each. A single warhead has about 35 times
the explosive power of the "little boy" atomic bomb that was dropped on
Hiroshima at the close of WWII. Each warhead would be guided in
inertially exhibiting a freefall pattern with a forward velocity like
"late figs" dropping " from a fig tree when shaken by a stong
wind."(Revelation 6:13) U.S. Forces will likely use these Trident II
missiles if they lose contact with the outside world while being
attacked with WMDs.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, cooking and nutrition that interest
those following this thread here during the next on-line chat
(02/16/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/8juld

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Andrew Chung will most certainly be posting here after 3/29/06. If you
note in his posts about the "earthquake," he always peppers that post
with "possibly."

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

It seems to be your choice to bear false witness.


You are giving the illusion that christians have no respect for their
fellow man.

stop x-posting dingaling!

you are also giving the illusion that christians are JACKASSES

then someone who ain't saved goes...."WOW, now I know why I'm not
saved, I don't wanna act like that"...

Soo....

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Switch, MD/PhD wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

It seems to be your choice to bear false witness.


You are giving the illusion that christians have no respect for their
fellow man.

stop x-posting dingaling!

you are also giving the illusion that christians are JACKASSES

then someone who ain't saved goes...."WOW, now I know why I'm not
saved, I don't wanna act like that"...

Soo....

CAN THE SPAM ASSWIPE


I know he's irritating, Barry - but you are wasting your breath... he
never gives up...

OBFood: Rainbow trout with creamed spinach tonight, methinks.

Cheers
Cathy(xyz)

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"Switch, MD/PhD" wrote in
oups.com:


Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

It seems to be your choice to bear false witness.


You are giving the illusion that christians have no respect for their
fellow man.

stop x-posting dingaling!

you are also giving the illusion that christians are JACKASSES

then someone who ain't saved goes...."WOW, now I know why I'm not
saved, I don't wanna act like that"...

Soo....

CAN THE SPAM ASSWIPE



He won't. You must killfile him. It's the only way. I did it years ago.
Unfortunately, I still see all the posts from people who think venting at
or engaging with him will make some sort of difference. It won't.

L.
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On 14 Feb 2006 06:00:37 -0800, "Switch, MD/PhD"
wrote:
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

It seems to be your choice to bear false witness.


You are giving the illusion that christians have no respect for their
fellow man.


"illusion"??
Reality.

stop x-posting dingaling!

you are also giving the illusion that christians are JACKASSES


"illusion"??
There you go again.

then someone who ain't saved goes...."WOW, now I know why I'm not
saved, I don't wanna act like that"...

Soo....

CAN THE SPAM ASSWIPE


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Switch, MD/PhD wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

It seems to be your choice to bear false witness.


You are giving the illusion that christians have no respect for their
fellow man.


This advisory remains respectful.

stop x-posting dingaling!


If you were secure in the truth, you would have the strength to resist
the temptation of descending into namecalling.

you are also giving the illusion that christians are JACKASSES


Sorry this advisory bothers you so terribly. Please forgive all my
iniquities.

then someone who ain't saved goes...."WOW, now I know why I'm not
saved, I don't wanna act like that"...


This advisory serves to test those who believe they are saved.

Soo....

CAN THE SPAM ASSWIPE


This advisory is not spam.

May the LORD help us all to endure the great tribulation when the Lamb
opens the 6th seal possibly in less than a couple of months (03/29/06),
in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

Amen !!!

Now this is about what are possibly the works of the four horsemen from
the 6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year
into the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man):

(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:

"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to
sleep." - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners
who gave up their lives to save the youngest among them after being
trapped by an explosion in a W.Va mine.

(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:

Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east,
has suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
and the rest of the Muslim world escalates. Thousands are rioting in
Pakistan. Iran is enriching uranium to build an atomic bomb in
violation of the NPT. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime
soon.

(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:

The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

Meanwhile, folks like Bob Pastorio who refuse to use this Approach are
heard muttering that an omer is not a weight measure but a volume
measure somewhere between one and three quarts depending on what the
food is and that liquid foods like milk (emulsified oil) and wine
should not be counted toward daily intake.

(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":

The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic seems to be starting in Turkey and Asia:

http://tinyurl.com/c6nqk

http://tinyurl.com/cy88q

http://tinyurl.com/7phm4

http://tinyurl.com/amj4a

http://tinyurl.com/ddvwq

.... spreading to the middle east, Europe and Africa. The H5N1 virus
will likely pick up adaptive mutations in Africa:

http://tinyurl.com/9eren

Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus from Turkey to the Middle
East, Africa, and Europe are wild beasts of the earth:

http://tinyurl.com/exa7o

http://tinyurl.com/cnuyl

http://tinyurl.com/ac3wu

http://tinyurl.com/awog5

http://tinyurl.com/74rfq

The 5th seal possibly has been opened and glimpses of "the souls of
those who had been slain because of the Word of GOD and the testimony
they had maintained" (Revelation 6:9) can be seen in the newly released
documentary "End of the Spear." Interestingly, the word "end" is at the
**beginning** of the title of this documentary. There are others who
may be waiting to be "slain because of the Word of GOD:"

http://tinyurl.com/76dyx

When will the sun "turn black like sackcloth made of goat hair"
(Revelation 6:12b) ?

It will turn black during the total solar eclipse that will happen
**also** in Turkey on Wednesday 03/29/2006 at around 14:00 hrs LT.

http://tinyurl.com/9hnk2

The order of darkening of the following ancient cities in Turkey:

(1) Ephesus
(2) Smyrna
(3) Pergamum
(4) Thyatira
(5) Sardis
(6) Philadelphia
(7) Laodicea

Will be the same order that Christ Jesus used to address their
respective seven churches:

"Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to
Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyratira, Sardis, Philadelphia and
Laodicea." (Revelation 1:11)

Here's one plausible scenario:

On March 29th, 2006 as U.S. and Israeli coalition forces invade Iran to
effect the mandate that Iran never have nuclear capabilities, Iran uses
those **missing** WMDs that Saddam entrusted to Iran for safekeeping
and this leads to nuclear missiles from coalition forces as a
retaliatory strike that inadvertantly destabilizes the continental
tectonic plates (Europe, Asia, and Africa) that converge in this region
thereby causing a global earthquake. Now read Revelation 6:13-14
slowly and you decide whether there is a fit.

Iran seems adamant about getting the authority to use nuclear weapons:

http://tinyurl.com/9vtms

U.S. Nuclear Subs carry Trident II missiles each packing 8
independently precision targeting nuclear warheads which have 475
kilotons of explosive power each. A single warhead has about 35 times
the explosive power of the "little boy" atomic bomb that was dropped on
Hiroshima at the close of WWII. Each warhead would be guided in
inertially exhibiting a freefall pattern with a forward velocity like
"late figs" dropping " from a fig tree when shaken by a stong
wind."(Revelation 6:13) U.S. Forces will likely use these Trident II
missiles if they lose contact with the outside world while being
attacked with WMDs.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, cooking and nutrition that interest
those following this thread here during the next on-line chat
(02/16/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/8juld

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Default The End of Years, or these "Last Days"

JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
JessHC, aa#2220 thanks to Jason Gastrich's effort wrote:
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
oldwetdog wrote:
The End of Years or These Last Days

Now I ask you; why would anyone build Doctrine on Non-Specific terms like
"Come Quickly" when there are specific times given?

Daniel begins a description of world events with a description of the Kings of
Persia, then Alexander the Great. He describes the death of Alexander and the
division of his kingdom into four parts; then, Rome and Egypt.

Then Daniel writes, "And in the end of years they shall join themselves
together..." and indicates the birth of Christ, and thus begins The End of
Years. Daniel goes on to describe world events just prior (v 21) to Christ's
return, (v 45) "And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the
seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none
shall help him." Dan 11:6-45.

It should be clear that just because Daniel penned the words "in the end of
years" that does not mean "the end of years" occurred in his own lifetime. He
was recording events which would occur in "the end of years" as described to
him by the Angel.

2 Peter 3:3. "Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days
scoffers, walking after their own lusts." The same for the term "the last
days." Gen 49:1 "And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves
together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days."

Because Jacob used the term "Last Days" when he was blessing his sons, that
does not mean those were the last days; it does mean that his blessing was for
the Last Days. Since he said to Judah that he would produce the Messiah (v 10)
this is a prophecy of the birth of Christ. This prophecy goes on to say, "and
unto him shall the gathering of the people be." So the prophecy of "the last
days" does not end until the gathering of His People.

Heb 1:2. "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son..." Certainly the
"End of Years" and "The Last Days" began with the birth of Christ, but they do
not end until His return--when He gathers His People.

Mat 16:28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not
taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Mark 1:15 "The time is fulfilled; and the kingdom of God is at hand.."
Luke 9:27 "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall
not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

The people who heard His say "There be some standing here, which shall not
taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom," did see
His Kingdom. His Kingdom was established in Acts 2:38-47, "Praising God, and
having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such
as should be saved." His Kingdom is His Church--Congregation.

Peter specifies the range of this period, commonly called the "last days," in
his sermon in Acts 2:16-21. He declares that, in fulfillment of the prophecy
of Joel, they were in the "last days," which would see the various charismatic
manifestations (tongues, visions, prophecy, signs), until the 'day of the lord.'

There is no suggestion that this "last days" time period would end before the
Lord's return, or that the gift (or gifts) of the Holy Spirit would end.

Actually, Peter promised, "For the promise is unto you, and to your children,
and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." If
the Lord is still calling today, then this promise is still good, today.

"But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be
hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. Heb 3:13, Heb 3:15.
"Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a
time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your
hearts." Heb 4:7

While it is Today if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

The Harvest of Earth
Matt. 13:39 "The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of
the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Rev 14:14 "Send forth thy sickle, and reap: for the hour to reap is come; for
the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16And he that sat on the cloud cast his
sickle upon the earth; and the earth was reaped.

There are many scriptures which seem to suggest that the End is near, and
indeed it is.

Peter said, "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is
with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord
is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is
longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all
should come to repentance.

Time is both meaningless (since He is eternal) to God, and relative; That is,
relative in terms of duration and urgency. Certainly God knows how to tell
time, and His Word contains many prophecies describing the time of His coming.

The following are examples of relative, or "non specific" designations of time:
Romans 13:11-12 "And that, knowing the time.. The night is far spent, the day
is at hand" Rom. 16:20 - "And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your
feet shortly."
Hebrews 1:2 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son" Hebrews 10:37
- "For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry."

I Peter 1:20 "Who (Christ) verily was fore ordained before the foundation of
the world, but was manifest in these last times for you."
I John 2:18 "Little children, it is the last time.. whereby we know that it is
the last time."

Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation.. to shew unto his servants things which must
shortly come to pass."
Revelation 1:3 "The time is at hand."
Revelation 22:6 "These sayings are faithful and true.. things which must
shortly be done."
Revelation 22:10 "Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the
time is at hand."


All of the above are non-specific: None give a time period related to a
prophecy of His return and the harvest of earth.

There are specific prophecies of Time:
Dan 9:24-27, which gives a period of 70 periods of seven (weeks in the KJV) 62
of which were related to the coming of the Messiah and one which is related to
the Abomination. The Lord mentions this time period in Mat 24:15

From the Abomination there will be 3 1/2 days, meaning that there is an event
which will begin the last period of seven and a mid event (the Abomination)
and then the consummation when the Abomination will be destroyed.

John describes the same events: Rev 11:3-13, 13:4-7.

Both Daniel and John give prophecy of days and times:
Daniel 7:25, 8:14, 9:27, 12:10-12. Revelation 11:3, 9-11, 13:5.

Now I ask you; why would anyone build Doctrine on Non-Specific terms like
"Come Quickly" when there are specific times given?


Matthew 24:34 - "This generation shall not pass, till all these things be
fulfilled."

This Generation:
The generation which saw the return of God's People (Mat 1:21) to Jerusalem.

The "times of the Gentiles are fulfilled."

Amen and amen :-)

Oops and bye-bye.

Bye. You will remain in my prayers, dear JessHC whom I love in Jesus'
most precious and holy name.

"A lie repeated is doubly a lie."

It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.

Liar.


False witness.


Demonstrably not.


Demonstrate away.

It's funny how you think you're fooling anyone.


There are things that have been happening in your life that can only be
explained by the fact that others have been praying on your behalf.

Glad to see you changed your mind about departing :-)

Stalker.


Sorry you still feel stalked by this advisory.


Then why do you keep following me?


It remains my choice to follow Christ Jesus and not you.

If you were actually sorry, you'd
stop.


Actually, haven't started.

Please forgive all my trespasses.


Only if you stop being a dishonest asshole. Of course, you could never
do that.


If you were secure in the truth, you would have the strength to resist
the temptation of descending into namecalling.

Oh, by the way, emoticons are silent despair.

Again, that would depend on the emoticon :-)

Only using your dishonest double standards.

Again, sorry my smile bothers you so terribly.

Hypocrit.


A smile is not hypocrisy :-)


It is when the smile is hypocrisy, like yours are; when you claim one
form of written expression of amusement is "silent despair," but
another isn't. Oh, well, just one more thing you lie about.


Would suggest you relearn the definition of hypocrisy.

May the LORD help us all to endure the great tribulation when the Lamb
opens the 6th seal possibly in less than a couple of months (03/29/06),
in Jesus' most precious and holy name.

Amen !!!

Now this is about what are possibly the works of the four horsemen from
the 6th chapter of the Book of Revelation (we are now in the 6th year
into the third millenium after the birth of the Son of Man):

(1) Crowned rider wielding a bow and riding a white horse:

"See you on the other side. It's not bad. We are just going to
sleep." - missive (missile) from one of 12 born-again Christian miners
who gave up their lives to save the youngest among them after being
trapped by an explosion in a W.Va mine.

(2) Rider wielding a sword and riding a fiery red horse:

Ariel Sharon, the world's hope for lasting peace in the middle east,
has suffered a massive bleeding stroke. Violence and bloodshed in Iraq
and the rest of the Muslim world escalates. Thousands are rioting in
Pakistan. Iran is enriching uranium to build an atomic bomb in
violation of the NPT. U.S. now less likely to pull out of Iraq anytime
soon.

(3) Rider wielding a set of food scales and riding a black horse:

The rate of increase of the number of people worldwide using the
2PD-OMER Approach (which advocates the use of food scales) accelerates
with growing worldwide concerns about the obesity epidemic:

http://www.HeartMDPhD.com/wtloss.asp

Meanwhile, folks like Bob Pastorio who refuse to use this Approach are
heard muttering that an omer is not a weight measure but a volume
measure somewhere between one and three quarts depending on what the
food is and that liquid foods like milk (emulsified oil) and wine
should not be counted toward daily intake.

(4) Rider on a pale horse given the authority to kill a fourth of the
world's population "by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts
of the earth":

The H5N1 Avian Flu Pandemic seems to be starting in Turkey and Asia:

http://tinyurl.com/c6nqk

http://tinyurl.com/cy88q

http://tinyurl.com/7phm4

http://tinyurl.com/amj4a

http://tinyurl.com/ddvwq

.... spreading to the middle east, Europe and Africa. The H5N1 virus
will likely pick up adaptive mutations in Africa:

http://tinyurl.com/9eren

Yes, the migratory birds spreading H5N1 virus from Turkey to the Middle
East, Africa, and Europe are wild beasts of the earth:

http://tinyurl.com/exa7o

http://tinyurl.com/cnuyl

http://tinyurl.com/ac3wu

http://tinyurl.com/awog5

http://tinyurl.com/74rfq

The 5th seal possibly has been opened and glimpses of "the souls of
those who had been slain because of the Word of GOD and the testimony
they had maintained" (Revelation 6:9) can be seen in the newly released
documentary "End of the Spear." Interestingly, the word "end" is at the
**beginning** of the title of this documentary. There are others who
may be waiting to be "slain because of the Word of GOD:"

http://tinyurl.com/76dyx

When will the sun "turn black like sackcloth made of goat hair"
(Revelation 6:12b) ?

It will turn black during the total solar eclipse that will happen
**also** in Turkey on Wednesday 03/29/2006 at around 14:00 hrs LT.

http://tinyurl.com/9hnk2

The order of darkening of the following ancient cities in Turkey:

(1) Ephesus
(2) Smyrna
(3) Pergamum
(4) Thyatira
(5) Sardis
(6) Philadelphia
(7) Laodicea

Will be the same order that Christ Jesus used to address their
respective seven churches:

"Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to
Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyratira, Sardis, Philadelphia and
Laodicea." (Revelation 1:11)

Here's one plausible scenario:

On March 29th, 2006 as U.S. and Israeli coalition forces invade Iran to
effect the mandate that Iran never have nuclear capabilities, Iran uses
those **missing** WMDs that Saddam entrusted to Iran for safekeeping
and this leads to nuclear missiles from coalition forces as a
retaliatory strike that inadvertantly destabilizes the continental
tectonic plates (Europe, Asia, and Africa) that converge in this region
thereby causing a global earthquake. Now read Revelation 6:13-14
slowly and you decide whether there is a fit.

Iran seems adamant about getting the authority to use nuclear weapons:

http://tinyurl.com/9vtms

U.S. Nuclear Subs carry Trident II missiles each packing 8
independently precision targeting nuclear warheads which have 475
kilotons of explosive power each. A single warhead has about 35 times
the explosive power of the "little boy" atomic bomb that was dropped on
Hiroshima at the close of WWII. Each warhead would be guided in
inertially exhibiting a freefall pattern with a forward velocity like
"late figs" dropping " from a fig tree when shaken by a stong
wind."(Revelation 6:13) U.S. Forces will likely use these Trident II
missiles if they lose contact with the outside world while being
attacked with WMDs.

Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like
cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, cooking and nutrition that interest
those following this thread here during the next on-line chat
(02/16/06) from 6 to 7 pm EST:

http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the LORD has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

Prayerfully in Christ's love,

Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/8juld



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