Yesterday, I posted this:


I am missing so many posts lately. Mostly, I don't see the original post
but only the replies. What usually causes this? It's aggravating.

Today, I looked for any responses, only to find that my own post (above) was
also missing. Who's at fault here? It's frustrating to miss so many
posts.

Dora

"limey" > wrote in message
...
> Yesterday, I posted this:
>
>
> I am missing so many posts lately. Mostly, I don't see the original post
> but only the replies. What usually causes this? It's aggravating.
>
> Today, I looked for any responses, only to find that my own post (above)
> was also missing. Who's at fault here? It's frustrating to miss so many
> posts.
>
> Dora
>
>
>
>

Based on my experience, it's been my ISP's fault a few times (Frontier
Communications). They tried to blame all sorts of stuff on my end, like
ZoneAlarm (my firewall), but that was nonsense. The problem usually vanishes
within 12-24 hours and nobody can explain why.

limey wrote:
> Yesterday, I posted this:
>
>
> I am missing so many posts lately. Mostly, I don't see the original post
> but only the replies. What usually causes this? It's aggravating.
>
> Today, I looked for any responses, only to find that my own post (above) was
> also missing. Who's at fault here? It's frustrating to miss so many
> posts.
>
> Dora
>
>
>
>


It's likely a problem with your news server or your news reader. I can
see your message yesterday just fine >.
The weird part is I think I'm using the same news server as you (that's
why I mentioned your news reader as a possiblilty).

Bob

limey wrote:

> Yesterday, I posted this:
>
>
> I am missing so many posts lately. Mostly, I don't see the original post
> but only the replies. What usually causes this? It's aggravating.

Check your filters. I miss a lot of original posts due to a heavy hand
when filtering so I often don't see the original post. OTOH, I don't
find this annoying.

>
> Today, I looked for any responses, only to find that my own post (above) was
> also missing. Who's at fault here? It's frustrating to miss so many
> posts.

Check your mail reader settings as well. I can choose not to view
already read messages or those killfiled or those where I choose to
ignore the thread. Make sure you don't have one of these options checked.
>
> Dora
>
>
>
>

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
> limey wrote:
>> Yesterday, I posted this:
>>
>>
>> I am missing so many posts lately. Mostly, I don't see the original
>> post
>> but only the replies. What usually causes this? It's aggravating.
>>
>> Today, I looked for any responses, only to find that my own post (above)
>> was also missing. Who's at fault here? It's frustrating to miss so
>> many posts.
>>
>> Dora
>>
>>
>
> It's likely a problem with your news server or your news reader. I can
> see your message yesterday just fine >. The
> weird part is I think I'm using the same news server as you (that's why I
> mentioned your news reader as a possiblilty).
>
> Bob

Yes, I've had trouble before and thought it was the news server, but Victor
Sack advised he could see all the posts. Looks like the news reader - my
ISP is Verizon, no less. Or would the problem be Outlook Express? This
happens too many times.

Dora

"~patches~" > wrote in message
...
> limey wrote:
>
>> Yesterday, I posted this:
>>
>>
>> I am missing so many posts lately. Mostly, I don't see the original
>> post
>> but only the replies. What usually causes this? It's aggravating.
>
> Check your filters. I miss a lot of original posts due to a heavy hand
> when filtering so I often don't see the original post. OTOH, I don't find
> this annoying.

Funny, I don't have many filters in place. In fact, ones I have filtered
still show up (our dear Dr. Chung). I have checked my other settings and
seem to be clean. This whole thing is occurring more and more often.


>> Today, I looked for any responses, only to find that my own post (above)
>> was also missing. Who's at fault here? It's frustrating to miss so
>> many posts.
>
> Check your mail reader settings as well. I can choose not to view already
> read messages or those killfiled or those where I choose to ignore the
> thread. Make sure you don't have one of these options checked.
>>
(patches)

limey wrote:
> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>limey wrote:
>>
>>>Yesterday, I posted this:
>>>
>>>
>>>I am missing so many posts lately. Mostly, I don't see the original
>>>post
>>>but only the replies. What usually causes this? It's aggravating.
>>>
>>>Today, I looked for any responses, only to find that my own post (above)
>>>was also missing. Who's at fault here? It's frustrating to miss so
>>>many posts.
>>>
>>>Dora

>>>
>>
>>It's likely a problem with your news server or your news reader. I can
>>see your message yesterday just fine >. The
>>weird part is I think I'm using the same news server as you (that's why I
>>mentioned your news reader as a possiblilty).
>>
>>Bob
>
>
> Yes, I've had trouble before and thought it was the news server, but Victor
> Sack advised he could see all the posts. Looks like the news reader - my
> ISP is Verizon, no less. Or would the problem be Outlook Express? This
> happens too many times.
>
> Dora
>
>


I'm guessing that you accidently killfiled yourself ;-)

Bob

limey wrote:

> "~patches~" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>limey wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Yesterday, I posted this:
>>>
>>>
>>>I am missing so many posts lately. Mostly, I don't see the original
>>>post
>>>but only the replies. What usually causes this? It's aggravating.
>>
>>Check your filters. I miss a lot of original posts due to a heavy hand
>>when filtering so I often don't see the original post. OTOH, I don't find
>>this annoying.
>
>
> Funny, I don't have many filters in place. In fact, ones I have filtered
> still show up (our dear Dr. Chung). I have checked my other settings and
> seem to be clean. This whole thing is occurring more and more often.

Lucky you. My filters continually grow on this ng and IMO that's a
shame. I figure if one cannot behave in a civil manner, then they can
play in the twit filter. This past week alone! Jeesh!

What mail reader are you using? Perhaps I can offer some suggestions.
BTW, who is your news server. Perhaps that is the problem? Some news
servers keep the messages for such a short period of time. You can kind
of check this if you google for your id and see the messages have been
archived but aren't on your server. Another idea is to check under
options to see if you have a box checked that indicates to only keep
messages a certain number of days old or of a certain size.

On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:07:46 -0500, "limey" >
wrote:

>
>"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
>> limey wrote:
>>> Yesterday, I posted this:
>>>
>>>
>>> I am missing so many posts lately. Mostly, I don't see the original
>>> post
>>> but only the replies. What usually causes this? It's aggravating.
>>>
>>> Today, I looked for any responses, only to find that my own post (above)
>>> was also missing. Who's at fault here? It's frustrating to miss so
>>> many posts.
>>>
>>> Dora
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It's likely a problem with your news server or your news reader. I can
>> see your message yesterday just fine >. The
>> weird part is I think I'm using the same news server as you (that's why I
>> mentioned your news reader as a possiblilty).
>>
>> Bob
>
>Yes, I've had trouble before and thought it was the news server, but Victor
>Sack advised he could see all the posts. Looks like the news reader - my
>ISP is Verizon, no less. Or would the problem be Outlook Express? This
>happens too many times.
>
>Dora
>
I'd go for Forte Agent and dump Outlook.


modom

limey wrote:


> Yes, I've had trouble before and thought it was the news server, but
> Victor Sack advised he could see all the posts. Looks like the news
> reader - my ISP is Verizon, no less. Or would the problem be Outlook
> Express? This happens too many times.


This paragraph is confusing, I'm not sure you understand the
terminology. OE *is* a newsreader. Your ISP wouldn't have anything to
do with the newsreader, that runs on your local machine, but the ISP
often provides access to a news server. If not, then it would be a
third party like news.individual.net. If you aren't using the same news
server as the other person, you may well see different message sets.



Brian

--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

"modom" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:07:46 -0500, "limey" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
>>> limey wrote:
>>>> Yesterday, I posted this:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am missing so many posts lately. Mostly, I don't see the original
>>>> post
>>>> but only the replies. What usually causes this? It's aggravating.
>>>>
>>>> Today, I looked for any responses, only to find that my own post
>>>> (above)
>>>> was also missing. Who's at fault here? It's frustrating to miss so
>>>> many posts.
>>>>
>>>> Dora
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's likely a problem with your news server or your news reader. I can
>>> see your message yesterday just fine >.
>>> The
>>> weird part is I think I'm using the same news server as you (that's why
>>> I
>>> mentioned your news reader as a possiblilty).
>>>
>>> Bob
>>
>>Yes, I've had trouble before and thought it was the news server, but
>>Victor
>>Sack advised he could see all the posts. Looks like the news reader - my
>>ISP is Verizon, no less. Or would the problem be Outlook Express? This
>>happens too many times.
>>
>>Dora
>>
> I'd go for Forte Agent and dump Outlook.
>
>
> modom

What's better about Agent?

"zxcvbob" > wrote in message
...
> limey wrote:
>> "zxcvbob" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>limey wrote:
>>>
>>>>Yesterday, I posted this:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I am missing so many posts lately. Mostly, I don't see the original
>>>>post
>>>>but only the replies. What usually causes this? It's aggravating.
>>>>
>>>>Today, I looked for any responses, only to find that my own post (above)
>>>>was also missing. Who's at fault here? It's frustrating to miss so
>>>>many posts.
>>>>
>>>>Dora

>>>>
>>>
>>>It's likely a problem with your news server or your news reader. I can
>>>see your message yesterday just fine >.
>>>The weird part is I think I'm using the same news server as you (that's
>>>why I mentioned your news reader as a possiblilty).
>>>
>>>Bob
>>
>>
>> Yes, I've had trouble before and thought it was the news server, but
>> Victor Sack advised he could see all the posts. Looks like the news
>> reader - my ISP is Verizon, no less. Or would the problem be Outlook
>> Express? This happens too many times.
>>
>> Dora
>
> I'm guessing that you accidently killfiled yourself ;-)
>
> Bob

No, I checked. Quite a thought, though.

Dora

"~patches~" wrote in message
>
> Lucky you. My filters continually grow on this ng and IMO that's a shame.
> I figure if one cannot behave in a civil manner, then they can play in the
> twit filter. This past week alone! Jeesh!
>
> What mail reader are you using? Perhaps I can offer some suggestions.
> BTW, who is your news server. Perhaps that is the problem? Some news
> servers keep the messages for such a short period of time. You can kind
> of check this if you google for your id and see the messages have been
> archived but aren't on your server. Another idea is to check under
> options to see if you have a box checked that indicates to only keep
> messages a certain number of days old or of a certain size.

OK, my news server is news.individual.net, a German company.

I use Outlook Express. My ISP is Verizon. Maybe OE is the culprit?

Dora

"limey" > wrote in message
news:AnVwf.14584$ya4.14369@trnddc03...
>
> "~patches~" wrote in message
>>
>> Lucky you. My filters continually grow on this ng and IMO that's a
>> shame. I figure if one cannot behave in a civil manner, then they can
>> play in the twit filter. This past week alone! Jeesh!
>>
>> What mail reader are you using? Perhaps I can offer some suggestions.
>> BTW, who is your news server. Perhaps that is the problem? Some news
>> servers keep the messages for such a short period of time. You can kind
>> of check this if you google for your id and see the messages have been
>> archived but aren't on your server. Another idea is to check under
>> options to see if you have a box checked that indicates to only keep
>> messages a certain number of days old or of a certain size.
>
> OK, my news server is news.individual.net, a German company.
>
> I use Outlook Express. My ISP is Verizon. Maybe OE is the culprit?
>
> Dora
>

If that's the case, why can I see the post you said was missing yesterday?
I'm using Outlook Express. Tell us exactly how you have your columns sorted.

"Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
...
>
> "limey" > wrote in message
> news:AnVwf.14584$ya4.14369@trnddc03...
>>
>> "~patches~" wrote in message
>>>
>>> Lucky you. My filters continually grow on this ng and IMO that's a
>>> shame. I figure if one cannot behave in a civil manner, then they can
>>> play in the twit filter. This past week alone! Jeesh!
>>>
>>> What mail reader are you using? Perhaps I can offer some suggestions.
>>> BTW, who is your news server. Perhaps that is the problem? Some news
>>> servers keep the messages for such a short period of time. You can kind
>>> of check this if you google for your id and see the messages have been
>>> archived but aren't on your server. Another idea is to check under
>>> options to see if you have a box checked that indicates to only keep
>>> messages a certain number of days old or of a certain size.
>>
>> OK, my news server is news.individual.net, a German company.
>>
>> I use Outlook Express. My ISP is Verizon. Maybe OE is the culprit?
>>
>> Dora
>>
>
> If that's the case, why can I see the post you said was missing yesterday?
> I'm using Outlook Express. Tell us exactly how you have your columns
> sorted.

Believe me, it is missing at this end. I have two news servers:
news.individual.net and verizon.net. My post of yesterday is missing from
both. I have gone to View in Outlook Express and my columns are sorted as
follows:
Attachment
Mark for Offline
Watch/Ignore
Subject
From
Sent
Size
All the above are checked.
Flag and Lines are unchecked

I really appreciate your efforts on my behalf. Thanks, Doug.

Dora

"limey" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Doug Kanter" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "limey" > wrote in message
>> news:AnVwf.14584$ya4.14369@trnddc03...
>>>
>>> "~patches~" wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> Lucky you. My filters continually grow on this ng and IMO that's a
>>>> shame. I figure if one cannot behave in a civil manner, then they can
>>>> play in the twit filter. This past week alone! Jeesh!
>>>>
>>>> What mail reader are you using? Perhaps I can offer some suggestions.
>>>> BTW, who is your news server. Perhaps that is the problem? Some news
>>>> servers keep the messages for such a short period of time. You can
>>>> kind of check this if you google for your id and see the messages have
>>>> been archived but aren't on your server. Another idea is to check
>>>> under options to see if you have a box checked that indicates to only
>>>> keep messages a certain number of days old or of a certain size.
>>>
>>> OK, my news server is news.individual.net, a German company.
>>>
>>> I use Outlook Express. My ISP is Verizon. Maybe OE is the culprit?
>>>
>>> Dora
>>>
>>
>> If that's the case, why can I see the post you said was missing
>> yesterday? I'm using Outlook Express. Tell us exactly how you have your
>> columns sorted.
>
> Believe me, it is missing at this end. I have two news servers:
> news.individual.net and verizon.net. My post of yesterday is missing from
> both. I have gone to View in Outlook Express and my columns are sorted as
> follows:
> Attachment
> Mark for Offline
> Watch/Ignore
> Subject
> From
> Sent
> Size
> All the above are checked.
> Flag and Lines are unchecked
>
> I really appreciate your efforts on my behalf. Thanks, Doug.
>
> Dora
>

I assume that you are marking conversations you want to watch using the menu
choices Message, Watch Conversation. If not, do so. That will turn the
conversations red. From this point on, in this explanation, we'll use the
correct term: threads

Now: At the top of the column, the "watched" column has a set of eyeglasses
in the heading. Click it. Hit the Home key, which will take your cursor to
the top of the subject list. You should see all your watched (red) threads
at the top, with the latest ones at the top, older ones down lower. Below
the watched threads, the UNwatched threads will be black, also with the
latest at the top.

I haven't done this in a while, so at this point, if they're not sorted the
way I described, click on the Sent heading. That will sort by time/date, but
may put the latest at the bottom of the list. Use your End key to go all the
way to the bottom to check this. If the latest ones are at the bottom, click
the Sent heading once more and you should be all set. Don't ever mess with
it again.

If you choose an UNwatched thread to watch, and click Message, Watch
Conversation, it will turn red, and jump into the group of other red ones,
based on when the first message in the thread was posted. Might be at the
top, or in the middle.

Note that when you sort this way, it messes up one nice featu If you sort
only by Subject, and then highlight the first message in the list, you can
(usually) type the first letter of the subject of the message you're looking
for, and the cursor will jump to that place in the alphabet. You might want
to try this before sorting as I've mentioned above, just to be aware of the
potential.

"Doug Kanter" >
>
> I assume that you are marking conversations you want to watch using the
> menu choices Message, Watch Conversation. If not, do so.

It's already set to Message, Watch Conversation.

That will turn the
> conversations red. From this point on, in this explanation, we'll use the
> correct term: threads
>
> Now: At the top of the column, the "watched" column has a set of
> eyeglasses in the heading. Click it. Hit the Home key, which will take
> your cursor to the top of the subject list. You should see all your
> watched (red) threads at the top, with the latest ones at the top, older
> ones down lower. Below the watched threads, the UNwatched threads will be
> black, also with the latest at the top.

I'm already set up that way.
>
> I haven't done this in a while, so at this point, if they're not sorted
> the way I described, click on the Sent heading. That will sort by
> time/date, but may put the latest at the bottom of the list. Use your End
> key to go all the way to the bottom to check this. If the latest ones are
> at the bottom, click the Sent heading once more and you should be all set.
> Don't ever mess with it again.

My settings are OK.
>
> If you choose an UNwatched thread to watch, and click Message, Watch
> Conversation, it will turn red, and jump into the group of other red ones,
> based on when the first message in the thread was posted. Might be at the
> top, or in the middle.
>
> Note that when you sort this way, it messes up one nice featu If you
> sort only by Subject, and then highlight the first message in the list,
> you can (usually) type the first letter of the subject of the message
> you're looking for, and the cursor will jump to that place in the
> alphabet. You might want to try this before sorting as I've mentioned
> above, just to be aware of the potential.

Frankly, Doug, I think Outlook Express hiccupped yet again. All my settings
are essentially the way they have always been, yet these things happen
periodically. Looks like I should indeed switch to Forte Agent (although I
think it's tedious) or some other news reader.

And no, I didn't killfile myself!

Thank you, everyone. I'm going to check out other news readers.

Dora

Limey posted"
am missing so many posts lately. Mostly, I don't see the original
post
but only the replies. What usually causes this? It's aggravating
---------------------------
I recommend Google Groups Beta. They had a bit of a slow-down on
Sunday, but they came back. When Damsel/Carol asked if anyone saw her
two posts, that she couldnt find, I found them right away on Google
Groups, and posted them for her. I hope she found them. (They appeared
on my screen right away).
Nancree

On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:15:51 -0500, limey wrote:

> Yesterday, I posted this:
>
>
> I am missing so many posts lately. Mostly, I don't see the original post
> but only the replies. What usually causes this? It's aggravating.
>
> Today, I looked for any responses, only to find that my own post (above) was
> also missing. Who's at fault here? It's frustrating to miss so many
> posts.
>
> Dora
>
>
>
It's your news server, not you. Complain to your ISP.
--

Practice safe eating. Always use condiments.

On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:39:41 GMT, Doug Kanter wrote:
>
> Based on my experience, it's been my ISP's fault a few times (Frontier
> Communications). They tried to blame all sorts of stuff on my end, like
> ZoneAlarm (my firewall), but that was nonsense. The problem usually vanishes
> within 12-24 hours and nobody can explain why.
>
Be glad you don't have to deal with Comcast. They buy whole sale from
giganews. When it goes out or there are problems, Comcast blames
giganews and tells us to complain to them.... and giganews says:
complain to Comcast. Believe me, if I had another choice for cable
access... I'd drop comcast in a heartbeat.
--

Practice safe eating. Always use condiments.

"limey" > wrote in message
news:gbYwf.5059$Xo5.946@trnddc02...
>
> "Doug Kanter" >
>>
>> I assume that you are marking conversations you want to watch using the
>> menu choices Message, Watch Conversation. If not, do so.
>
> It's already set to Message, Watch Conversation.
>
> That will turn the
>> conversations red. From this point on, in this explanation, we'll use the
>> correct term: threads
>>
>> Now: At the top of the column, the "watched" column has a set of
>> eyeglasses in the heading. Click it. Hit the Home key, which will take
>> your cursor to the top of the subject list. You should see all your
>> watched (red) threads at the top, with the latest ones at the top, older
>> ones down lower. Below the watched threads, the UNwatched threads will be
>> black, also with the latest at the top.
>
> I'm already set up that way.
>>
>> I haven't done this in a while, so at this point, if they're not sorted
>> the way I described, click on the Sent heading. That will sort by
>> time/date, but may put the latest at the bottom of the list. Use your End
>> key to go all the way to the bottom to check this. If the latest ones are
>> at the bottom, click the Sent heading once more and you should be all
>> set. Don't ever mess with it again.
>
> My settings are OK.
>>
>> If you choose an UNwatched thread to watch, and click Message, Watch
>> Conversation, it will turn red, and jump into the group of other red
>> ones, based on when the first message in the thread was posted. Might be
>> at the top, or in the middle.
>>
>> Note that when you sort this way, it messes up one nice featu If you
>> sort only by Subject, and then highlight the first message in the list,
>> you can (usually) type the first letter of the subject of the message
>> you're looking for, and the cursor will jump to that place in the
>> alphabet. You might want to try this before sorting as I've mentioned
>> above, just to be aware of the potential.
>
> Frankly, Doug, I think Outlook Express hiccupped yet again. All my
> settings are essentially the way they have always been, yet these things
> happen periodically. Looks like I should indeed switch to Forte Agent
> (although I think it's tedious) or some other news reader.
>
> And no, I didn't killfile myself!
>
> Thank you, everyone. I'm going to check out other news readers.
>
> Dora
>

If your settings are as you say, it makes no logical sense for OE to somehow
miss a few posts. A good way to test again would be to post a series of
numbered test messages at regular intervals, say every 8 hours for a few
days, and keep track of the ones you see, or don't see. Include a unique
word in the subject line so it's easy to search for the messages. I suggest
"souvlaki". :-)

If you indeed can't see some of the messages in OE, search for them in
Google groups.

sf wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:15:51 -0500, limey wrote:

> > Today, I looked for any responses, only to find that my own post
> > (above) was also missing. Who's at fault here? It's frustrating
> > to miss so many posts.

> It's your news server, not you. Complain to your ISP.

Seems unlikely. She appears to be using news.individual.net, as do
several of us. We aren't having trouble seeing the posts.



Brian

--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

On 11 Jan 2006 17:18:36 GMT, Default User wrote:

> sf wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:15:51 -0500, limey wrote:
>
> > > Today, I looked for any responses, only to find that my own post
> > > (above) was also missing. Who's at fault here? It's frustrating
> > > to miss so many posts.
>
> > It's your news server, not you. Complain to your ISP.
>
> Seems unlikely. She appears to be using news.individual.net, as do
> several of us. We aren't having trouble seeing the posts.
>
so how can a news client interfer with original posts if the person
hasn't KF'd themselves???

When I used Earthlink, I knew they had different servers. Sometimes
one server crapped out, so those of us who knew the different server
addresses - just switched over. Most poeple don't know if their isp
has more than one news server and if they did, the couldn't change it.
--

Practice safe eating. Always use condiments.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On 11 Jan 2006 17:18:36 GMT, Default User wrote:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 14:15:51 -0500, limey wrote:
>>
>> > > Today, I looked for any responses, only to find that my own post
>> > > (above) was also missing. Who's at fault here? It's frustrating
>> > > to miss so many posts.
>>
>> > It's your news server, not you. Complain to your ISP.
>>
>> Seems unlikely. She appears to be using news.individual.net, as do
>> several of us. We aren't having trouble seeing the posts.
>>
> so how can a news client interfer with original posts if the person
> hasn't KF'd themselves???
>
> When I used Earthlink, I knew they had different servers. Sometimes
> one server crapped out, so those of us who knew the different server
> addresses - just switched over. Most poeple don't know if their isp
> has more than one news server and if they did, the couldn't change it.

Most people don't know where they put the paperwork containing their ISP's
tech support phone number, which is why discussing this is so fruitless to
begin with. :-(