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This NG is heavily weighted towards USA members - such is life. However
this does produce some confusion for those who are in other countries. I THINK that: What I would call cake is called "cake" What I know as scones are called "biscuits" What I would call biscuits are called "cookies" So what are brownies? Cakes? Biscuits? Cookies? Other? David |
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"David Hare-Scott" > wrote in
: > This NG is heavily weighted towards USA members - such is life. > However this does produce some confusion for those who are in other > countries. > > I THINK that: > > What I would call cake is called "cake" > > What I know as scones are called "biscuits" > > What I would call biscuits are called "cookies" > > So what are brownies? Cakes? Biscuits? Cookies? Other? > > > David > > What you think is quite correct. Brownies are (usually) a chocolate confection baked in a shallow pan and cut into squares or bars. They are generally quite sweet and the texture can range from rather cake-like to fudgy and chewy. They are sometimes iced or sprinkled with confectioners (powdered) sugar. There are certainly other sorts of brownies that contain no chocolate, but the mere term "brownies" usually conjures up visions of something chocolate. When I compare scones to US biscuits, I generally find that scones are richer and often sweetened a bit. US biscuits are rarely if ever sweetened. They are almost always served hot to be split and slathered with butter and/or jam. When I compare non-US biscuits to US cookies, I generally find that the biscuits are often less sweet although can be quite rich. Methinks cake is cake the world around, or very nearly. :-) -- Wayne in Phoenix Big on natural foods?? 82.38% of people die of "natural" causes. |
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![]() "Muckerheide" > wrote in message ... > in article , Wayne at > wrote on 6/1/04 5:19 AM: > And Gateau is the UK equivalent to what? > Expensive cake. David |
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On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 12:10:53 GMT, Muckerheide wrote:
> And Gateau is the UK equivalent to what? Torte? At least it resembles the German "Torte". As in a Black Forest one. -- Tim C. |
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Wayne > wrote in news:Xns94FB179FD68A6waynebw@
204.127.36.1: > When I compare scones to US biscuits, I generally find that scones are > richer and often sweetened a bit. US biscuits are rarely if ever > sweetened. They are almost always served hot to be split and slathered > with butter and/or jam. > Most plain scones here are either served hot/warm to be buttered, or served room temperature to be spread with jam and cream. They're not a particularly rich or sweet item. The scone recipe I most recently used is shown below - quite a typical sort of scone recipe in my experience (though not everyone would use milk to make them, some would use water).They're not someting I would call rich or sweet. As far as plain scones go, these are the only sort I make. I have seen a recipe for a quick scone using cream instead of rubbing in butter and adding milk - haven't tried them though. Of course date or sultana scones are a little sweeter from the added dried fruit, and pumpkin scones (a traditional Australian scone) are sweeter. However, I've never seen recipes here (though I suppose they may exist) nor have I seen for sale in bakeries, cafes etc, scones with chocolate chips, or nuts etc such as I've seen posted in rfc or on websites. I certainly associate American biscuits with scones - although I'm sure they're not all exactly the same (since there appears to be plenty of variation in biscuit recipes), many of the biscuit recipes I've seen are fairly similar to the scone recipes I'm used to. From The Essential Baking Cookbook 2 1/2 cups (310g/10oz) self-raising flour 1 tsp baking powder pinch of salt 40g (1 1/4 oz) chilled butter 1 cup (250ml/8fl oz) milk 1 tbsp (20ml) sugar (optional) Sift flour, baking powder & salt into bowl. Rub in butter until mixture is crumbly and resembles fine breadcrumbs. Mixing in 1 tablespoon of sugar at this stage will lessen any floury taste. Make a well in the centre. Pour in almost all the milk and mix with a flat-bladed knife, using a cutting action, until the dough comes together in clumps. Use remaining milk if mixture seems dry. The dough should feel slightly wet and sticky. With floured hands, gently gather dough together, lift onto floured surface and pat into smooth ball. Pat or lightly roll dough out to 2cm (3/4 in) thick. Using a floured 6cm (2 1/2 in) cutter, cut into rounds. Place close together on baking tray and lightly brush tops with milk. Bake in top half of oven (preheated to 220 deg C - 425F) for 12 - 15 minutes or until risen and golden. Rhonda Anderson Cranebrook, NSW, Australia |
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Rhonda Anderson > wrote in
. 5: > Wayne > wrote in news:Xns94FB179FD68A6waynebw@ > 204.127.36.1: > > >> When I compare scones to US biscuits, I generally find that scones >> are richer and often sweetened a bit. US biscuits are rarely if ever >> sweetened. They are almost always served hot to be split and >> slathered with butter and/or jam. >> > > Most plain scones here are either served hot/warm to be buttered, or > served room temperature to be spread with jam and cream. They're not a > particularly rich or sweet item. The scone recipe I most recently used > is shown below - quite a typical sort of scone recipe in my > experience (though not everyone would use milk to make them, some > would use water).They're not someting I would call rich or sweet. As > far as plain scones go, these are the only sort I make. I have seen a > recipe for a quick scone using cream instead of rubbing in butter and > adding milk - haven't tried them though. Of course date or sultana > scones are a little sweeter from the added dried fruit, and pumpkin > scones (a traditional Australian scone) are sweeter. > > However, I've never seen recipes here (though I suppose they may > exist) nor have I seen for sale in bakeries, cafes etc, scones with > chocolate chips, or nuts etc such as I've seen posted in rfc or on > websites. > > I certainly associate American biscuits with scones - although I'm > sure they're not all exactly the same (since there appears to be > plenty of variation in biscuit recipes), many of the biscuit recipes > I've seen are fairly similar to the scone recipes I'm used to. > > > From The Essential Baking Cookbook > > 2 1/2 cups (310g/10oz) self-raising flour > 1 tsp baking powder > pinch of salt > 40g (1 1/4 oz) chilled butter > 1 cup (250ml/8fl oz) milk > 1 tbsp (20ml) sugar (optional) > > Sift flour, baking powder & salt into bowl. Rub in butter until > mixture is crumbly and resembles fine breadcrumbs. Mixing in 1 > tablespoon of sugar at this stage will lessen any floury taste. Make a > well in the centre. Pour in almost all the milk and mix with a > flat-bladed knife, using a cutting action, until the dough comes > together in clumps. Use remaining milk if mixture seems dry. The dough > should feel slightly wet and sticky. With floured hands, gently gather > dough together, lift onto floured surface and pat into smooth ball. > Pat or lightly roll dough out to 2cm (3/4 in) thick. Using a floured > 6cm (2 1/2 in) cutter, cut into rounds. Place close together on baking > tray and lightly brush tops with milk. Bake in top half of oven > (preheated to 220 deg C - 425F) for 12 - 15 minutes or until risen and > golden. > > > Rhonda Anderson > Cranebrook, NSW, Australia > > I see you point, Rhonda. Your recipe is *very* much like a US biscuit. The two times I had scones, once in England and once in Scotland, they both happened to be fruited and did taste a bit sweeter. The scones sold in shops here in the US are usually not so plain, probably due to the USian's eternal sweet tooth. Of the two recipes I use, one calls for buttermilk and butter and has about 1/4 cup of sugar. The other is a cream scone with only a tablespoon of sugar, but is supposed to be sprinkled with sugar before baking. Both list variations containing various dried fruits. I suspect the similarity between your scones and our biscuits has a lot to do with them both being an everyday staple. I don't think most USians consider scones as such. -- Wayne in Phoenix Big on natural foods?? 82.38% of people die of "natural" causes. |
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Wayne > wrote in
: >> > > I see you point, Rhonda. Your recipe is *very* much like a US > biscuit. > > The two times I had scones, once in England and once in Scotland, they > both happened to be fruited and did taste a bit sweeter. The scones > sold in shops here in the US are usually not so plain, probably due to > the USian's eternal sweet tooth. Of the two recipes I use, one calls > for buttermilk and butter and has about 1/4 cup of sugar. The other > is a cream scone with only a tablespoon of sugar, but is supposed to > be sprinkled with sugar before baking. Both list variations > containing various dried fruits. There are various types of scones,and probably quite a few different scone recipes just as I've seen lots of different biscuit recipes on websites. Some people may prefer a sweeter scone. You would usually only put butter on a fruit scone, though, while plain scones are often served with jam and cream. > > I suspect the similarity between your scones and our biscuits has a > lot to do with them both being an everyday staple. I don't think most > USians consider scones as such. > I think biscuits are probably more of an everyday staple as they're served with the meal. I don't think scones are so much of an everyday staple (in my experience, anyway) nowadays. You can certainly buy them at bakeries, cake shops, supermarkets and pretty much every cafe has scones with jam and cream on the menu. However, I don't think a lot of people sit down to a "proper" morning or afternoon tea most days - certainly not a homemade one. Once upon a day, a home baker was judged by her sponge cake and her scones. If they weren't any good, it didn't matter how good the rest of her repertoire was! I got up early one morning a few weeks back and baked a couple of batches of scones to take to work. They were eaten up fairly quickly, accompanied by strawberry jam and King Island cream (the sort that's so thick you can stand a knife in it). However, I don't make scones very often. They don't keep well, and should be eaten the day they're made so I would really only make them if I had visitors coming, or was taking them to a function etc. Now I'm getting hungry for scones - see what you've done! Mmm, got some pumpkin in the fridge, maybe I'll make some pumpkin scones. Rhonda Anderson Cranebrook, NSW, Australia |
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Rhonda Anderson > wrote in
.5: > Wayne > wrote in > : >> I suspect the similarity between your scones and our biscuits has a >> lot to do with them both being an everyday staple. I don't think >> most USians consider scones as such. >> > > I think biscuits are probably more of an everyday staple as they're > served with the meal. I don't think scones are so much of an everyday > staple (in my experience, anyway) nowadays. You can certainly buy them > at bakeries, cake shops, supermarkets and pretty much every cafe has > scones with jam and cream on the menu. However, I don't think a lot of > people sit down to a "proper" morning or afternoon tea most days - > certainly not a homemade one. Once upon a day, a home baker was judged > by her sponge cake and her scones. If they weren't any good, it didn't > matter how good the rest of her repertoire was! Well, clearly I'm not well-versed in the details of scones, and they're definitely not offered here in the same way as in the UK or Australia. Shops that sell them here are typically coffee shops and I've never seen them offered with any additions, not even butter. Often they are too old and dry. > I got up early one morning a few weeks back and baked a couple of > batches of scones to take to work. They were eaten up fairly quickly, > accompanied by strawberry jam and King Island cream (the sort that's > so thick you can stand a knife in it). However, I don't make scones > very often. They don't keep well, and should be eaten the day they're > made so I would really only make them if I had visitors coming, or was > taking them to a function etc. Last Fall I did something similar; I baked a couple of batches of cream scones, one with dried cherries and the other with dried currants. I also took an ample amount of sweet cream butter to spread on them. The reaction was interesting...most people didn't know what they were at first. Once tasted, they were all gone in an hour! I think a lot of folks here have never tasted a scone even if they've heard of them. You're certainly right that they don't keep well. Even the richest variety tend to be dry and hard by the next day. > Now I'm getting hungry for scones - see what you've done! Mmm, got > some pumpkin in the fridge, maybe I'll make some pumpkin scones. Me, too, but I'll probably wait until the weekend before firing up the oven to bake some. It was 108 degrees F. here today. > Rhonda Anderson > Cranebrook, NSW, Australia > -- Wayne in Phoenix Big on natural foods?? 82.38% of people die of "natural" causes. |
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![]() "Rhonda Anderson" > wrote in message . 5... > Most plain scones here are either served hot/warm to be buttered, or > served room temperature to be spread with jam and cream. They're not a > particularly rich or sweet item. Yep, normal scones aren't sweet. And you put butter on, or jam and whipped cream. Yummo. They are only good the day they're baked though, the next day they are finished. I used to organise the catering for training days and various departmental events. One caterer I found was offering a big basket of fresh scones with butter, jam and cream for people to put on themselves. So I just ordered that, and had tea and coffee available. Well! Started a new trend. Very popular when we had overseas VIPs visiting also. > However, I've never seen recipes here (though I suppose they may exist) > nor have I seen for sale in bakeries, cafes etc, scones with chocolate > chips, or nuts etc such as I've seen posted in rfc or on websites. ?!!! Chocolate chips in SCONES?! Never!!! argh. ant |
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![]() ant wrote: > > "Rhonda Anderson" > wrote in message > . 5... > > > Most plain scones here are either served hot/warm to be buttered, or > > served room temperature to be spread with jam and cream. They're not a > > particularly rich or sweet item. > > Yep, normal scones aren't sweet. And you put butter on, or jam and whipped > cream. Yummo. They are only good the day they're baked though, the next day > they are finished. > > I used to organise the catering for training days and various departmental > events. One caterer I found was offering a big basket of fresh scones with > butter, jam and cream for people to put on themselves. So I just ordered > that, and had tea and coffee available. Well! Started a new trend. Very > popular when we had overseas VIPs visiting also. > > > However, I've never seen recipes here (though I suppose they may exist) > > nor have I seen for sale in bakeries, cafes etc, scones with chocolate > > chips, or nuts etc such as I've seen posted in rfc or on websites. > > ?!!! Chocolate chips in SCONES?! Never!!! argh. > > ant LOL you wouldn't believe what people in the US put into 'scones'. |
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ant wrote:
> > ?!!! Chocolate chips in SCONES?! Never!!! argh. That's like this Easter past, with the Hot-crossed buns with choc-chips - ack ! ![]() |
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![]() "Wayne" > wrote in message ... > What you think is quite correct. Brownies are (usually) a chocolate > confection baked in a shallow pan and cut into squares or bars. They > are generally quite sweet and the texture can range from rather > cake-like to fudgy and chewy. They are sometimes iced or sprinkled with > confectioners (powdered) sugar. There are certainly other sorts of > brownies that contain no chocolate, but the mere term "brownies" usually > conjures up visions of something chocolate. Hmm I think that confection would probably be called a "slice" here in Oz.. If it had chocolate it would be called a "chocolate slice". David |
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![]() "David Hare-Scott" > wrote in message ... > > "Wayne" > wrote in message > ... > > What you think is quite correct. Brownies are (usually) a chocolate > > confection baked in a shallow pan and cut into squares or bars. They > > are generally quite sweet and the texture can range from rather > > cake-like to fudgy and chewy. They are sometimes iced or sprinkled with > > confectioners (powdered) sugar. There are certainly other sorts of > > brownies that contain no chocolate, but the mere term "brownies" usually > > conjures up visions of something chocolate. > > > Hmm > > I think that confection would probably be called a "slice" here in Oz.. If > it had chocolate it would be called a "chocolate slice". > > David > > I don't know. Slices are usually dryer/shorter than brownies [but no less the yum for that!] When I think of brownies [sitting away from the keyboard as I drool] I think of something a little cake-like, but heavier, moister, perhaps with a bit of a crust on the top. When I think of a slice, I think of something a little biscuity [Au/NZ/UK biscuit] perhaps with a topping. My mum's date slice [drool] or apple slice [yum] or... Actually, the base of mum's apple slice makes a *very* nice butter biscuit, and very easy to make. JMHO, Emma |
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![]() "David Hare-Scott" > wrote in message ... > I think that confection would probably be called a "slice" here in Oz.. If > it had chocolate it would be called a "chocolate slice". yep, I agree with that (did an earlier post saying as much). I love brownies, but they really do seem to be strictly american. I always make up for lost time when in the US....the ones that are wet and gooey with walnuts...aaaaahhhhh (faints) ant |
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Wayne > wrote in message >...
> When I compare scones to US biscuits, I generally find that scones are > richer and often sweetened a bit. US biscuits are rarely if ever > sweetened. They are almost always served hot to be split and slathered > with butter and/or jam. Or to be split and served with gravy. YMMV on whether to use hot or cold biscuits for this. Sorry, I know the main thrust of this thread is on sweets, but biscuits-and-gravy demonstrates why U.S. biscuits are rarely sweetened. Cindy Hamilton |
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David wrote:
> This NG is heavily weighted towards USA members - such is life. However > this does produce some confusion for those who are in other countries. > > I THINK that: > > What I would call cake is called "cake" > > What I know as scones are called "biscuits" > > What I would call biscuits are called "cookies" > > So what are brownies? Cakes? Biscuits? Cookies? Other? American biscuits aren't quite the same as scones, but I guess it's the closest thing you've got. Brownies are classified as a particular kind of bar cookie, in US culinary taxonomy. Bob |
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Would there be enough support to have
"international translation" as a section of the FAQ? E. P. |
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Julian9EHP > wrote:
> Would there be enough support to have > "international translation" as a section of the FAQ? Umm... have you actually read the FAQ? "International translation" has always been its major raison d'ętre. Quoting from the FAQ: "The primary purpose of this document is to help cooks from different countries communicate with one another. The problem is that measurements and terms for food vary from country to country, even if both countries speak English." Victor |
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David Hare-Scott wrote:
> This NG is heavily weighted towards USA members - such is life. However > this does produce some confusion for those who are in other countries. > > I THINK that: > > What I would call cake is called "cake" > > What I know as scones are called "biscuits" > > What I would call biscuits are called "cookies" > > So what are brownies? Cakes? Biscuits? Cookies? Other? American Brownies are young girls who sell cookies (biscuits) once a year. In other countries, they're called things like "Girl Guides." There's also a baked goods thingy called a brownie. Think of it as a thick bar cookie. This is a very serious subject. <g> Pastorio |
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>David Hare-Scott wrote:
> >So what are brownies? brownie dense, chewy, cakelike cookie that is generally chocolate-flavored (hence the name), but can also be a variety of other flavors including butterscotch and vanilla (in which case it's called a blondie ). © Copyright Barron's Educational Services, Inc. 1995 M-W brown·ie noun 1 : a legendary good-natured elf that performs helpful services at night 2 : capitalized : a nubile member of a program of the Girl Scouts 3 : a small square or rectangle of rich usually chocolate cake often containing nuts 4: currier of favors (as with a superior). --- ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- ********* "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." Sheldon ```````````` |
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![]() "Bob (this one)" > wrote in message ... > David Hare-Scott wrote: > > > This NG is heavily weighted towards USA members - such is life. However > > this does produce some confusion for those who are in other countries. > > > > I THINK that: > > > > What I would call cake is called "cake" > > > > What I know as scones are called "biscuits" > > > > What I would call biscuits are called "cookies" > > > > So what are brownies? Cakes? Biscuits? Cookies? Other? > > American Brownies are young girls who sell cookies (biscuits) once a > year. In other countries, they're called things like "Girl Guides." Canadians also have Brownies. They're the second step in the Guide movement. Sparks, Brownies, Guides, Path Finders. Gabby |
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On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:17:40 -0300, Gabby wrote:
> "Bob (this one)" > wrote in message > ... >> David Hare-Scott wrote: >> >>> This NG is heavily weighted towards USA members - such is life. However >>> this does produce some confusion for those who are in other countries. >>> >>> I THINK that: >>> >>> What I would call cake is called "cake" >>> >>> What I know as scones are called "biscuits" >>> >>> What I would call biscuits are called "cookies" >>> >>> So what are brownies? Cakes? Biscuits? Cookies? Other? >> >> American Brownies are young girls who sell cookies (biscuits) once a >> year. In other countries, they're called things like "Girl Guides." > > Canadians also have Brownies. They're the second step in the Guide > movement. Sparks, Brownies, Guides, Path Finders. I'm not aware of Sparks, but in the UK the youngest are Rainbows and so Brownies are now the second step. ...Brownies, Guides and Rangers. -- Tim C. |
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![]() "Bob (this one)" > wrote in message ... > American Brownies are young girls who sell cookies (biscuits) once a > year. In other countries, they're called things like "Girl Guides." here, Brownies were the very young version of Girl Guides, who were older. Brownies wore brown dresses, Girl Guides had light blue shirts and dark blue skirts. ant |
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David Hare-Scott wrote:
> This NG is heavily weighted towards USA members - such is life. However > this does produce some confusion for those who are in other countries. > > I THINK that: > > What I would call cake is called "cake" > > What I know as scones are called "biscuits" > > What I would call biscuits are called "cookies" > > So what are brownies? Cakes? Biscuits? Cookies? Other? > > more to the point, where does Parkin fit into this taxonomy??? -- Use Linux - Computer power for the people: Down with cybercrud... |
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David Hare-Scott wrote:
> This NG is heavily weighted towards USA members - such is life. However > this does produce some confusion for those who are in other countries. > > I THINK that: > > What I would call cake is called "cake" > > What I know as scones are called "biscuits" Scones are scones. Biscuits are like scones. > What I would call biscuits are called "cookies" Some cookies are called biscuits. > So what are brownies? Cakes? Biscuits? Cookies? Other? Brownies are squares. |
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>Dave Smith fumbled:
> >David Hare-Scott wrote: > >> This NG is heavily weighted towards USA members - such is life. However >> this does produce some confusion for those who are in other countries. >> >> I THINK that: >> >> What I would call cake is called "cake" >> >> What I know as scones are called "biscuits" > >Scones are scones. Biscuits are like scones. Nope, scones are like biscuits. >> What I would call biscuits are called "cookies" > >Some cookies are called biscuits. Well duh, some biscuits are called cookies. >> So what are brownies? Cakes? Biscuits? Cookies? Other? > >Brownies are squares. Nope, brownies are kew-l. ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- ********* "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." Sheldon ```````````` |
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![]() "David Hare-Scott" > wrote in message ... > This NG is heavily weighted towards USA members - such is life. However > this does produce some confusion for those who are in other countries. > > I THINK that: > > What I would call cake is called "cake" > > What I know as scones are called "biscuits" > > What I would call biscuits are called "cookies" > > So what are brownies? Cakes? Biscuits? Cookies? Other? I think we'd call browies a slice, here. Although I saw something in a bakery the other day called "fudge" that was definitely brownies, with icing. ant |
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Over here (Canada) we call a brownie a bar or square.
Here's one of Delia Smith's recipes http://www.deliasmith.com/recipes/r_0000000935.asp "ant" > wrote in message ... > > "David Hare-Scott" > wrote in message > ... > > This NG is heavily weighted towards USA members - such is life. However > > this does produce some confusion for those who are in other countries. > > > > I THINK that: > > > > What I would call cake is called "cake" > > > > What I know as scones are called "biscuits" > > > > What I would call biscuits are called "cookies" > > > > So what are brownies? Cakes? Biscuits? Cookies? Other? > > I think we'd call browies a slice, here. Although I saw something in a > bakery the other day called "fudge" that was definitely brownies, with > icing. > > ant > > |
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"MOM PEAGRAM" > wrote in
: > Over here (Canada) we call a brownie a bar or square. > Perhaps this Canadian site with pictures might help... <http://www.robinhood.ca/recipe/default.asp> -- Once during Prohibition I was forced to live for days on nothing but food and water. -------- FIELDS, W. C. |
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mmm good!
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