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Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking
> Meat from a petri dish? > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html > Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I haven't met... -- The eyes are the mirrors.... But the ears...Ah the ears. The ears keep the hat up. |
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:17:41 -0600, Arri London >
wrote: >Meat from a petri dish? > > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html To bad the airlines are cutting back on flight meals; that would be perfect for mystery meat. I love this comment from the lady from the Vegetarian Society: "Personally I wouldn't want to, but I suppose if they're going to make chicken nuggets with it, then it's probably not going to taste much different." Sue(tm) Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself! |
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Mr Libido Incognito wrote:
> Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking > > > Meat from a petri dish? > > > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html > > > > Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I haven't > met... > A person can not survive on dead food, Whether its animal flesh or vegetable matter it must have a degree of "life" left in it to be nutritious. Of course one can cook vegetable dead and then reinsert vitamins and minerals into them but then just try to live off that. Even the water we drink and the air we breath have microscopic life forms in it that are assimilated (murdered) by us "resistance is futile". --- JL |
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Joseph Littleshoes wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking
> Mr Libido Incognito wrote: > > > Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking > > > > > Meat from a petri dish? > > > > > > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html > > > > > > > Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I haven't > > met... > > > > A person can not survive on dead food, Whether its animal flesh or > vegetable matter it must have a degree of "life" left in it to be > nutritious. Of course one can cook vegetable dead and then reinsert > vitamins and minerals into them but then just try to live off that. > > Even the water we drink and the air we breath have microscopic life > forms in it that are assimilated (murdered) by us "resistance is > futile". > --- > JL > > Errr...murder is defined as illegal killing or brutal killing humanely killing a cow or killing a bacteria isn't illegal. Even in some restricted cases killing people is allowed... -- The eyes are the mirrors.... But the ears...Ah the ears. The ears keep the hat up. |
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Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
> Mr Libido Incognito wrote: > >>Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking >> >>>Meat from a petri dish? >>> >>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html >>> >>Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I haven't >>met... >> > A person can not survive on dead food, Whether its animal flesh or > vegetable matter it must have a degree of "life" left in it to be > nutritious. I'm glad you put quotes around "life" in that sentence. Do, please, define what this new kind of "life" is that falls outside the normal one that includes metabolizing, growing and reproducing. What kind of "life" does a rib roast have? What is "dead" food? How does one remove this mysterious "life" if one would like to? > Of course one can cook vegetable dead and then reinsert > vitamins and minerals into them but then just try to live off that. What can this actually mean? Obviously the next thing below about water and air doesn't apply because the references here are to vitamins and minerals, not bacteria. > Even the water we drink and the air we breath have microscopic life > forms in it that are assimilated (murdered) by us "resistance is > futile". It appears as though you're saying that whatever we eat has to be contaminated with microbes of some sort. Everything we eat is. What are you talking about here with this "live" and "dead" food? Pastorio |
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Dog3 wrote:
> Arri London > wrote in > : > >> Meat from a petri dish? >> >> >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html > > Hmmmm... I can see substituting it for hospital meat, school cafeteria > meat, fast food meat etc. I doubt the taste would be much different > than it already is. > > Fast Forward to the year 2020 ----->>>>> > > News Headline From the Dead Meat Press: > > The entire group of RFCers was taken into custody Saturday evening at > the notorious ring leader's residence. Ring Leader, Barb Schaller, > allegedly threw what is known as a cook-in using contraband meat. > The group allegedly grilled 'murdered' pork chops and chicken > breasts. Served along with the grilled 'murdered' meat were sides of > corn on the cob, grilled vegetables and a fabulous wild rice mix. > Dessert was 'murdered' fruit topped with imitation whipping cream. > > Michael You forgot her murdering many types of fruit in order to make jams and jellys, and she killed several cucumbers to make pickles. She even had the audacity to have "pickle hats", as if to poke fun at the murdered cukes! For shame! Jill |
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"Joseph Littleshoes" > wrote in message
... > Mr Libido Incognito wrote: > >> Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking >> >> > Meat from a petri dish? >> > >> > >> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html >> > >> >> Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I haven't >> met... >> > > A person can not survive on dead food, Whether its animal flesh or > vegetable matter it must have a degree of "life" left in it to be > nutritious. Of course one can cook vegetable dead and then reinsert > vitamins and minerals into them but then just try to live off that. > > Even the water we drink and the air we breath have microscopic life > forms in it that are assimilated (murdered) by us "resistance is > futile". > --- > JL > I really hope you are joking. There's not a bit of truth in what you say. -- Peter Aitken |
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In article >, Arri London >
wrote: > Meat from a petri dish? > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html Sounds fascinating. :-) -- Om. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson |
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In article >,
Mr Libido Incognito > wrote: > Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking > > > Meat from a petri dish? > > > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html > > > > Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I haven't > met... That's amusing... ;-) I once bought an entire range veal from a woman at work. Well, her husband actually raises the cattle...... But he was surprised that I bought the calf "sight unseen". I never wanted to meet the calf that would be coming to me in little paper wrapped packages. <lol> -- Om. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson |
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In article >,
Joseph Littleshoes > wrote: > Mr Libido Incognito wrote: > > > Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking > > > > > Meat from a petri dish? > > > > > > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html > > > > > > > Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I haven't > > met... > > > > A person can not survive on dead food, Whether its animal flesh or > vegetable matter it must have a degree of "life" left in it to be > nutritious. Of course one can cook vegetable dead and then reinsert > vitamins and minerals into them but then just try to live off that. > > Even the water we drink and the air we breath have microscopic life > forms in it that are assimilated (murdered) by us "resistance is > futile". > --- > JL > Grown cells in a petri dish are just as alive as those in a living animal... Unless you are going to go out to the range and gnaw the meat off of a living calf, raw and uncooked, ANY meat you eat is going to be "Dead". Doofus. ;-) Same goes for veggies. If you cook them, they are "dead". Cheers! -- Om. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson |
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OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote: > In article >, Arri London > > wrote: > > > Meat from a petri dish? > > > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html > > Sounds fascinating. :-) > -- > Om. > > "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson Solyent Red? This is just another example of man's silly attempt at (poorly) re-inventing natures' wheel. Look, the good lord (or mother nature, or evolution, or fate, you pick your philosophy) placed us on this world of abundance so that we could partake in that very abundance and be healthy and hearty doing so. And that, as far as the human species go, most definitely includes eating meat which involves raising or hunting, butchering and eating animals. We all need to simply accept that reality and deal with it. Just think of those luscious chicken wings or those baby back ribs swimming in BBQ sauce. We are meat eaters. TC |
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OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article >, Arri London > > wrote: > >> Meat from a petri dish? >> >> >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html > > Sounds fascinating. :-) Please DO NOT cross post to a bunch of other ng's. Jill |
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Bob (this one) wrote: > Joseph Littleshoes wrote: > > A person can not survive on dead food, Whether its animal flesh or > > vegetable matter it must have a degree of "life" left in it to be > > nutritious. > > I'm glad you put quotes around "life" in that sentence. Do, please, > define what this new kind of "life" is that falls outside the normal one > that includes metabolizing, growing and reproducing. What kind of "life" > does a rib roast have? Or, for that matter, a couch potato? -bwg |
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Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> > wrote: > > OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote: > >> Arri London > wrote: > >> > >> > Meat from a petri dish? > >> > > >> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html > >> > >> Sounds fascinating. :-) > >> "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack > >> Nicholson > > > > Solyent Red? > > > > This is just another example of man's silly attempt at (poorly) > > re-inventing natures' wheel. > > > > Look, the good lord (or mother nature, or evolution, or fate, you pick > > your philosophy) placed us on this world of abundance so that we could > > partake in that very abundance and be healthy and hearty doing so. And > > Whether or not "fate" permits something to happen has nothing to do with > morality or justice. Fate is not in any way directed by such notions. > > > that, as far as the human species go, most definitely includes eating > > meat which involves raising or hunting, butchering and eating animals. > > We all need to simply accept that reality and deal with it. > > Those of us who walk on two legs are concerned not only with emulating what > others are doing, but also with questions of morality and justice. Morality and justice are relative to circumstances. Always have been; always will be. There are no absolutes. |
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JMW > wrote:
> Morality and justice are relative to circumstances. Always have been; > always will be. There are no absolutes. Except that one, apparently. So, for instance, I guess you can describe a real-life circumstance in which raping a six year old child or torturing a baby would be just or moral? |
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Donovan Rebbechi wrote: > On 2005-08-17, > wrote: > > > > OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote: > >> In article >, Arri London > > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Meat from a petri dish? > >> > > >> > > >> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html > >> > >> Sounds fascinating. :-) > >> "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack > >> Nicholson > > > > > > Solyent Red? > > > > This is just another example of man's silly attempt at (poorly) > > re-inventing natures' wheel. > > > > Look, the good lord (or mother nature, or evolution, or fate, you pick > > your philosophy) placed us on this world of abundance so that we could > > partake in that very abundance and be healthy and hearty doing so. And > > Whether or not "fate" permits something to happen has nothing to do with > morality or justice. Fate is not in any way directed by such notions. Morality or justice has nothing to do with the survival of a species by feeding directly off another species. That is the reality of this world and our position within the biological matrix. > > > that, as far as the human species go, most definitely includes eating > > meat which involves raising or hunting, butchering and eating animals. > > We all need to simply accept that reality and deal with it. > > Those of us who walk on two legs are concerned not only with emulating what > others are doing, but also with questions of morality and justice. We are not emulating anyone or anything. That is the nature of our dependence on and survival in the natural world. Morality and justice aren't even on the table when it comes to the basic survival and the health of our progeny, which depend directly on a primarily animal-based diet. Morality and justice do not apply between inter-species survival. When a lion, a bear or maggots attacks and/or consumes a human, we cannot infer any morality or justice to the act because they are simply following natures plan of survival therefore how can we infer any morality or justice to a human who raises or hunts, kills and consumes a pig, deer, chicken or other species of animal. We are simply following natures plan. (or the evolutionary plan, or god's plan, again pick your own philosophy) TC > > Cheers, > -- > Donovan Rebbechi > http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ |
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In article .com>,
wrote: > OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote: > > In article >, Arri London > > > wrote: > > > > > Meat from a petri dish? > > > > > > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html > > > > Sounds fascinating. :-) > > -- > > Om. > > > > "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack > > Nicholson > > > Solyent Red? > > This is just another example of man's silly attempt at (poorly) > re-inventing natures' wheel. > > Look, the good lord (or mother nature, or evolution, or fate, you pick > your philosophy) placed us on this world of abundance so that we could > partake in that very abundance and be healthy and hearty doing so. And > that, as far as the human species go, most definitely includes eating > meat which involves raising or hunting, butchering and eating animals. > We all need to simply accept that reality and deal with it. > > Just think of those luscious chicken wings or those baby back ribs > swimming in BBQ sauce. We are meat eaters. > > TC > Rib eye... ;-d Half raw in the middle, well seared on the outside. -- Om. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson |
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Preacher wrote: > JMW > wrote: > > > Morality and justice are relative to circumstances. Always have been; > > always will be. There are no absolutes. > > Except that one, apparently. > > So, for instance, I guess you can describe a real-life circumstance in > which raping a six year old child or torturing a baby would be just or > moral? How does that fit in this discussion? Comparing either of these scenarios to eating meat makes no sense whatsoever. Apple and rocks. Not even apples and oranges. That is completely nonsensical. Irrelevant and utterly foolish. TC |
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In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote: > OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote: > > In article >, Arri London > > > wrote: > > > >> Meat from a petri dish? > >> > >> > >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html > > > > Sounds fascinating. :-) > > Please DO NOT cross post to a bunch of other ng's. > > Jill > > Sorry... but at least I only posted to "on topic" groups. :-) I thought it'd be of interest to those other two. Guess I should have posted separately instead of cross-posting? Aplogies then if I ticked anyone here off by doing that! Cheers! -- Om. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson |
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On 2005-08-17, > wrote:
> > Morality or justice has nothing to do with the survival of a species by > feeding directly off another species. We don't need to eat meat to survive, individually or as a species. > We are not emulating anyone or anything. That is the nature of our > dependence on and survival in the natural world. Morality and justice > aren't even on the table when it comes to the basic survival and the > health of our progeny, which depend directly on a primarily > animal-based diet. That's simply incorrect. Cheers, -- Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ |
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> wrote:
> Preacher wrote: > > JMW > wrote: > > > > > Morality and justice are relative to circumstances. Always have been; > > > always will be. There are no absolutes. > > > > Except that one, apparently. > > > > So, for instance, I guess you can describe a real-life circumstance in > > which raping a six year old child or torturing a baby would be just or > > moral? > > How does that fit in this discussion? Comparing either of these > scenarios to eating meat makes no sense whatsoever. Apple and rocks. > Not even apples and oranges. That is completely nonsensical. Irrelevant > and utterly foolish. It fits into the discussion because JMW has declared morality and justice absolutely relative. I disagreed. Fwiw, no one compared either of those scenarios to eating meat. Someone compared eating meat to murder - but not me. |
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Preacher wrote: > JMW > wrote: > > > Morality and justice are relative to circumstances. Always have been; > > always will be. There are no absolutes. > > Except that one, apparently. > > So, for instance, I guess you can describe a real-life circumstance in > which raping a six year old child or torturing a baby would be just or > moral? Or feeding a child a nutrient deficient and dangerous vegan diet that will stunt and skew their mental and physical growth for the rest of their natural lives. TC |
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JMW > wrote:
> (Preacher) wrote: > > >JMW > wrote: > > > >> Morality and justice are relative to circumstances. Always have been; > >> always will be. There are no absolutes. > > > >Except that one, apparently. > > > >So, for instance, I guess you can describe a real-life circumstance in > >which raping a six year old child or torturing a baby would be just or > >moral? > > You're the one who visualized it. You tell me. No, I can't imagine any circumstances under which such behavior would be moral or just. Which indicates to me that there are some absolutes - morality and justice are not purely relative. |
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One time on Usenet, said:
> Mr Libido Incognito wrote: > > > Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking > > > > > Meat from a petri dish? > > > > > > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html > > > > > > > Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I haven't > > met... > > > > A person can not survive on dead food, Whether its animal flesh or > vegetable matter it must have a degree of "life" left in it to be > nutritious. Of course one can cook vegetable dead and then reinsert > vitamins and minerals into them but then just try to live off that. Um, what? This makes no sense at all to me. > Even the water we drink and the air we breath have microscopic life > forms in it that are assimilated (murdered) by us "resistance is > futile". You're assuming that the many microbes we ingest automatically die, hence the term "murder". Far from true... -- Jani in WA (S'mee) ~ mom, VidGamer, novice cook, dieter ~ |
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Donovan Rebbechi wrote: > On 2005-08-17, > wrote: > > > > Morality or justice has nothing to do with the survival of a species by > > feeding directly off another species. > > We don't need to eat meat to survive, individually or as a species. We need meat to attain and maintain optimum health and that affects our ability to survive as a species. Eating an inferior grain-based diet is leading us to massive increases in chronic diseases like heart disease, diabetes, obesity, etc. and puts us at risk against infectious diseases. And do not underestimate how that can and will affect the very survival of our species. A species weakened by poor diet can be wiped out by infectious disease. The Plague wiped out fully one third of the population of Europe. > > > We are not emulating anyone or anything. That is the nature of our > > dependence on and survival in the natural world. Morality and justice > > aren't even on the table when it comes to the basic survival and the > > health of our progeny, which depend directly on a primarily > > animal-based diet. > > That's simply incorrect. > > Cheers, > -- > Donovan Rebbechi > http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ Incorrect based on what? Your love of furry little animals? TC |
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In article >,
(Preacher) wrote: > JMW > wrote: > > > (Preacher) wrote: > > > > >JMW > wrote: > > > > > >> Morality and justice are relative to circumstances. Always have been; > > >> always will be. There are no absolutes. > > > > > >Except that one, apparently. > > > > > >So, for instance, I guess you can describe a real-life circumstance in > > >which raping a six year old child or torturing a baby would be just or > > >moral? > > > > You're the one who visualized it. You tell me. > > No, I can't imagine any circumstances under which such behavior would be > moral or just. Which indicates to me that there are some absolutes - > morality and justice are not purely relative. There are cultural precedents. Infibulation of pubescent girl children comes to mind... _I_ think it's sick and immoral, (and I consider it torture and mutilation) but it's not only acceptable to the Somali culture, it's considered immoral to NOT do it. But, as mentioned in another post, this has diddly squat to do with growing meat in a petri dish! I thought the concept was rather interesting from a global economic point of view! Inventory that eats grain and has to be cleaned up after is a lot of work and takes up a lot of space, and requires more fertile ground that may not exsist in some desert type areas of the world. Meat that could be grown in giant media vats could probably provide the protein needs of many for a far lower economic and ecologic impact! I, for one, am entertained by thread drift, but the original topic is fascinating enough to follow up on IMHO! There are more than just "moral" issues at stake. -- Om. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson |
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>Meat from a petri dish?
Just don't buy anything labeled "Soylent Green". |
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"If you don't rape little Polly, aged six, and torture little Billy,
age 6 months, I'll kill her, him, you, your family and both of their families as well." If the threats are credible, the acts are certainly within the realm of what is moral and just. Hollywood, Recipient, Dean's Award for Business Ethics, 2005, Olin School of Business at Washington University in St. Louis PS- I shudder to think of such a circumstance, but it could happen. Preacher wrote: > JMW > wrote: > > > (Preacher) wrote: > > > > >JMW > wrote: > > > > > >> Morality and justice are relative to circumstances. Always have been; > > >> always will be. There are no absolutes. > > > > > >Except that one, apparently. > > > > > >So, for instance, I guess you can describe a real-life circumstance in > > >which raping a six year old child or torturing a baby would be just or > > >moral? > > > > You're the one who visualized it. You tell me. > > No, I can't imagine any circumstances under which such behavior would be > moral or just. Which indicates to me that there are some absolutes - > morality and justice are not purely relative. |
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On 2005-08-17, > wrote:
> > Donovan Rebbechi wrote: >> On 2005-08-17, > wrote: >> > >> > Morality or justice has nothing to do with the survival of a species by >> > feeding directly off another species. >> >> We don't need to eat meat to survive, individually or as a species. > > We need meat to attain and maintain optimum health and that affects our > ability to survive as a species. Eating an inferior grain-based diet is > leading us to massive increases in chronic diseases like heart disease, > diabetes, obesity, etc. and puts us at risk against infectious > diseases. So the obesity epidemic is a result of a massive increase in vegetarianism ? You're joking, right ? Cheers, -- Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ |
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Donovan Rebbechi wrote: > On 2005-08-17, > wrote: > > > > Donovan Rebbechi wrote: > >> On 2005-08-17, > wrote: > >> > > >> > Morality or justice has nothing to do with the survival of a species by > >> > feeding directly off another species. > >> > >> We don't need to eat meat to survive, individually or as a species. > > > > We need meat to attain and maintain optimum health and that affects our > > ability to survive as a species. Eating an inferior grain-based diet is > > leading us to massive increases in chronic diseases like heart disease, > > diabetes, obesity, etc. and puts us at risk against infectious > > diseases. > > So the obesity epidemic is a result of a massive increase in vegetarianism ? > > You're joking, right ? > > Cheers, > -- > Donovan Rebbechi > http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ No obesity is a result of a grain-based diet, especially refined grains like white flour, white bread and high fructise corn syrup used in soft drinks. You're illiterate, right? Learn to read. TC |
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On 2005-08-17, > wrote:
> >> So the obesity epidemic is a result of a massive increase in vegetarianism ? >> >> You're joking, right ? >> > No obesity is a result of a grain-based diet, especially refined grains > like white flour, white bread and high fructise corn syrup used in soft > drinks. > > You're illiterate, right? Learn to read. I'm quite capable of reading, I'm just having a hard time following your logic. The problem is that this so-called "grain based diet" has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with vegetarianism. As you have correctly observed, you can consume this "grain based diet" without being vegetarian. Conversely, as a vegetarian, I can assure you that one doesn't need to consume such a diet to become vegetarian. In other words, your "point" is a complete non-sequitur, and you have not demonstrated that eating meat is in any way necessary for the survival of humans as individuals or as a species. Cheers, -- Donovan Rebbechi http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ |
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Peter Aitken wrote:
> "Joseph Littleshoes" > wrote in message > ... > > Mr Libido Incognito wrote: > > > >> Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking > >> > >> > Meat from a petri dish? > >> > > >> > > >> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html > >> > > >> > >> Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I > haven't > >> met... > >> > > > > A person can not survive on dead food, Whether its animal flesh or > > vegetable matter it must have a degree of "life" left in it to be > > nutritious. Of course one can cook vegetable dead and then reinsert > > > vitamins and minerals into them but then just try to live off that. > > > > Even the water we drink and the air we breath have microscopic life > > forms in it that are assimilated (murdered) by us "resistance is > > futile". > > --- > > JL > > > > I really hope you are joking. There's not a bit of truth in what you > say. Ever hear of "scurvy"? in 'olden times' sailors on long sea voyages often died from being unable to get fresh food. There was at least one early polar expedition that tried to survive on 'canned' food which resulted in the death of a number of the people involved, which was odd because the native guides & porters, familiar with the environment, survived by eating raw fish and whale blubber which the European explorers would not do. Their food was nutritionally "dead" and so were they not too much later. --- JL > > > -- > Peter Aitken |
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Max Hollywood Harris wrote:
> Preacher wrote: > > JMW > wrote: > > > (Preacher) wrote: > > > >JMW > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Morality and justice are relative to circumstances. Always have been; > > > >> always will be. There are no absolutes. > > > > > > > >Except that one, apparently. > > > > > > > >So, for instance, I guess you can describe a real-life circumstance in > > > >which raping a six year old child or torturing a baby would be just or > > > >moral? > > > > > > You're the one who visualized it. You tell me. > > > > No, I can't imagine any circumstances under which such behavior would be > > moral or just. Which indicates to me that there are some absolutes - > > morality and justice are not purely relative. > > "If you don't rape little Polly, aged six, and torture little Billy, > age 6 months, I'll kill her, him, you, your family and both of their > families as well." > > If the threats are credible, the acts are certainly within the realm of > what is moral and just. > > Hollywood, Recipient, Dean's Award for Business Ethics, 2005, Olin > School of Business at Washington University in St. Louis > > PS- I shudder to think of such a circumstance, but it could happen. I'll respond to you, since I knew "Preacher's" game and wasn't going to get caught up in it. You see, his next move is to explore his most depraved imaginings and come up with an even more horrifying scenario, then ask about that one. I'm not going to play that game. The bottom line is basically "yin and yang." There is always a countervailing circumstance that something can be weighed against. Killing has always had some justification in Western moral systems: killing animals for food, killing humans as punishment, in war, in self-defense, in therapeutic abortions. In Buddhist terms, all those acts of taking life carry with them some karma, but it is probably in varying degrees, and the karma may be reduced by the amount of suffering alleviated by the killing. Moral judgments, on the other hand, tend to draw a bright line: on either side of that line is the "tolerable" and the "intolerable." Different cultures and different individuals draw those lines at different places. Morality is relative. Justice is even more intangible. |
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OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article >, > Joseph Littleshoes > wrote: > > > Mr Libido Incognito wrote: > > > > > Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking > > > > > > > Meat from a petri dish? > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html > > > > > > > > > > Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I > haven't > > > met... > > > > > > > A person can not survive on dead food, Whether its animal flesh or > > vegetable matter it must have a degree of "life" left in it to be > > nutritious. Of course one can cook vegetable dead and then reinsert > > > vitamins and minerals into them but then just try to live off that. > > > > Even the water we drink and the air we breath have microscopic life > > forms in it that are assimilated (murdered) by us "resistance is > > futile". > > --- > > JL > > > > Grown cells in a petri dish are just as alive as those in a living > animal... > > Unless you are going to go out to the range and gnaw the meat off of a > > living calf, raw and uncooked, ANY meat you eat is going to be "Dead". > > Doofus. ;-) > > Same goes for veggies. > > If you cook them, they are "dead". Some animal flesh is cooked live, some even like to eat raw uncooked freshly slaughtered animal flesh, however, what i meant was 'nutritionally' dead. Vegetable matter loses its nutritional qualities very quickly animal flesh takes a little longer and can be preserved better. Most commercially processed vegetable matter is rendered nutritionally 'dead' and then infused with some vitamins and minerals after its cooking. Home preserving of fruits and veggies is not quite as bad as commercial but you could not live solely on preserved fruits and veggies. --- JL > > > Cheers! > -- > Om. > > "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack > Nicholson |
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Donovan Rebbechi wrote: > On 2005-08-17, > wrote: > > > >> So the obesity epidemic is a result of a massive increase in vegetarianism ? > >> > >> You're joking, right ? > >> > > No obesity is a result of a grain-based diet, especially refined grains > > like white flour, white bread and high fructise corn syrup used in soft > > drinks. > > > > You're illiterate, right? Learn to read. > > I'm quite capable of reading, I'm just having a hard time following your logic. > > The problem is that this so-called "grain based diet" has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING > to do with vegetarianism. As you have correctly observed, you can consume > this "grain based diet" without being vegetarian. Conversely, as a vegetarian, > I can assure you that one doesn't need to consume such a diet to become > vegetarian. > > In other words, your "point" is a complete non-sequitur, and you have not > demonstrated that eating meat is in any way necessary for the survival of humans > as individuals or as a species. > > Cheers, > -- > Donovan Rebbechi > http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ I will dumb it down for you then. People who don't eat meat will eventually become frail and sick, physically and mentally. If they eat grains, they will become frail and sick faster. People who eat/ate mostly meat and fats are/were inherently healthy. The Inuits and Eskimos were extremely healthy before their diets changed to include European foods like grains. Malnutrition (ie. veganism, vegetarianism) leads to ill health. Ill health leads to chronic illness and susceptibility to infectious agents. It could not be simpler than that. If you still don't get it, send me your address and I'll get my 10 year old to explain it to you in words you can understand. TC |
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"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
... > Rib eye... ;-d > > Half raw in the middle, well seared on the outside. Last night we had Rib eye steak that was so good DH claimed his tastebuds had an orgasm. -- No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes |
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