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Meat from a petri dish?


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Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking

> Meat from a petri dish?
>
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html
>


Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I haven't
met...

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But the ears...Ah the ears.
The ears keep the hat up.
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Mr Libido Incognito wrote:

> Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking
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> > Meat from a petri dish?
> >
> >
> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html
> >

>
> Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I haven't
> met...
>


A person can not survive on dead food, Whether its animal flesh or
vegetable matter it must have a degree of "life" left in it to be
nutritious. Of course one can cook vegetable dead and then reinsert
vitamins and minerals into them but then just try to live off that.

Even the water we drink and the air we breath have microscopic life
forms in it that are assimilated (murdered) by us "resistance is
futile".
---
JL

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Joseph Littleshoes wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking

> Mr Libido Incognito wrote:
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> > Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking
> >
> > > Meat from a petri dish?
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html
> > >

> >
> > Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I haven't
> > met...
> >

>
> A person can not survive on dead food, Whether its animal flesh or
> vegetable matter it must have a degree of "life" left in it to be
> nutritious. Of course one can cook vegetable dead and then reinsert
> vitamins and minerals into them but then just try to live off that.
>
> Even the water we drink and the air we breath have microscopic life
> forms in it that are assimilated (murdered) by us "resistance is
> futile".
> ---
> JL
>
>


Errr...murder is defined as illegal killing or brutal killing

humanely killing a cow or killing a bacteria isn't illegal.
Even in some restricted cases killing people is allowed...

--
The eyes are the mirrors....
But the ears...Ah the ears.
The ears keep the hat up.
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Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
> Mr Libido Incognito wrote:
>
>>Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking
>>
>>>Meat from a petri dish?
>>>
>>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html
>>>

>>Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I haven't
>>met...
>>

> A person can not survive on dead food, Whether its animal flesh or
> vegetable matter it must have a degree of "life" left in it to be
> nutritious.


I'm glad you put quotes around "life" in that sentence. Do, please,
define what this new kind of "life" is that falls outside the normal one
that includes metabolizing, growing and reproducing. What kind of "life"
does a rib roast have?

What is "dead" food? How does one remove this mysterious "life" if one
would like to?

> Of course one can cook vegetable dead and then reinsert
> vitamins and minerals into them but then just try to live off that.


What can this actually mean? Obviously the next thing below about water
and air doesn't apply because the references here are to vitamins and
minerals, not bacteria.

> Even the water we drink and the air we breath have microscopic life
> forms in it that are assimilated (murdered) by us "resistance is
> futile".


It appears as though you're saying that whatever we eat has to be
contaminated with microbes of some sort. Everything we eat is.

What are you talking about here with this "live" and "dead" food?

Pastorio


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Bob (this one) wrote:
> Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
> > A person can not survive on dead food, Whether its animal flesh or
> > vegetable matter it must have a degree of "life" left in it to be
> > nutritious.

>
> I'm glad you put quotes around "life" in that sentence. Do, please,
> define what this new kind of "life" is that falls outside the normal one
> that includes metabolizing, growing and reproducing. What kind of "life"
> does a rib roast have?


Or, for that matter, a couch potato?

-bwg

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Bob (this one) wrote:
> Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>
>> Mr Libido Incognito wrote:
>>
>>> Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking
>>>
>>>> Meat from a petri dish?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html
>>>>
>>> Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I haven't
>>> met...
>>>

>> A person can not survive on dead food, Whether its animal flesh or
>> vegetable matter it must have a degree of "life" left in it to be
>> nutritious.

>
>
> I'm glad you put quotes around "life" in that sentence. Do, please,
> define what this new kind of "life" is that falls outside the normal one
> that includes metabolizing, growing and reproducing. What kind of "life"
> does a rib roast have?
>
> What is "dead" food? How does one remove this mysterious "life" if one
> would like to?
>
>> Of course one can cook vegetable dead and then reinsert
>> vitamins and minerals into them but then just try to live off that.

>
>
> What can this actually mean? Obviously the next thing below about water
> and air doesn't apply because the references here are to vitamins and
> minerals, not bacteria.
>
>> Even the water we drink and the air we breath have microscopic life
>> forms in it that are assimilated (murdered) by us "resistance is
>> futile".

>
>
> It appears as though you're saying that whatever we eat has to be
> contaminated with microbes of some sort. Everything we eat is.
>
> What are you talking about here with this "live" and "dead" food?
>
> Pastorio



He's making up new terminology as he goes along. It's impossible to
lose an argument when you get to define all the words; well, I guess one
could still lose if they were stupid enough.

Best regards,
Bob
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zxcvbob wrote:
> Bob (this one) wrote:
>
>> Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>>
>>> Mr Libido Incognito wrote:
>>>
>>>> Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking
>>>>
>>>>> Meat from a petri dish?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html
>>>>>
>>>> Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I haven't
>>>> met...
>>>>
>>> A person can not survive on dead food, Whether its animal flesh or
>>> vegetable matter it must have a degree of "life" left in it to be
>>> nutritious.

>>
>> I'm glad you put quotes around "life" in that sentence. Do, please,
>> define what this new kind of "life" is that falls outside the normal
>> one that includes metabolizing, growing and reproducing. What kind of
>> "life" does a rib roast have?
>>
>> What is "dead" food? How does one remove this mysterious "life" if one
>> would like to?
>>
>>> Of course one can cook vegetable dead and then reinsert
>>> vitamins and minerals into them but then just try to live off that.

>>
>> What can this actually mean? Obviously the next thing below about
>> water and air doesn't apply because the references here are to
>> vitamins and minerals, not bacteria.
>>
>>> Even the water we drink and the air we breath have microscopic life
>>> forms in it that are assimilated (murdered) by us "resistance is
>>> futile".

>>
>> It appears as though you're saying that whatever we eat has to be
>> contaminated with microbes of some sort. Everything we eat is.
>>
>> What are you talking about here with this "live" and "dead" food?
>>
>> Pastorio

>
> He's making up new terminology as he goes along. It's impossible to
> lose an argument when you get to define all the words; well, I guess one
> could still lose if they were stupid enough.


I'm sorry, I can't see exactly who that finger is pointing at. I'm still
waiting with bated breath for LittleWit to detail all this cool now
information so I can be modern and up to date in my nutritional knowledge.

No, seriously...

Pastorio
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"Joseph Littleshoes" > wrote in message
...
> Mr Libido Incognito wrote:
>
>> Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking
>>
>> > Meat from a petri dish?
>> >
>> >
>> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html
>> >

>>
>> Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I haven't
>> met...
>>

>
> A person can not survive on dead food, Whether its animal flesh or
> vegetable matter it must have a degree of "life" left in it to be
> nutritious. Of course one can cook vegetable dead and then reinsert
> vitamins and minerals into them but then just try to live off that.
>
> Even the water we drink and the air we breath have microscopic life
> forms in it that are assimilated (murdered) by us "resistance is
> futile".
> ---
> JL
>


I really hope you are joking. There's not a bit of truth in what you say.


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Peter Aitken wrote:

> "Joseph Littleshoes" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Mr Libido Incognito wrote:
> >
> >> Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking
> >>
> >> > Meat from a petri dish?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html
> >> >
> >>
> >> Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I

> haven't
> >> met...
> >>

> >
> > A person can not survive on dead food, Whether its animal flesh or
> > vegetable matter it must have a degree of "life" left in it to be
> > nutritious. Of course one can cook vegetable dead and then reinsert

>
> > vitamins and minerals into them but then just try to live off that.
> >
> > Even the water we drink and the air we breath have microscopic life
> > forms in it that are assimilated (murdered) by us "resistance is
> > futile".
> > ---
> > JL
> >

>
> I really hope you are joking. There's not a bit of truth in what you
> say.


Ever hear of "scurvy"? in 'olden times' sailors on long sea voyages
often died from being unable to get fresh food. There was at least one
early polar expedition that tried to survive on 'canned' food which
resulted in the death of a number of the people involved, which was odd
because the native guides & porters, familiar with the environment,
survived by eating raw fish and whale blubber which the European
explorers would not do. Their food was nutritionally "dead" and so were
they not too much later.
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JL

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"Joseph Littleshoes" > wrote in message
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> Ever hear of "scurvy"?


Yes, and it's a vitamin deficiency. Unless you are
claiming that vitamins themselves are "alive," I fail to
see the relevance.

Bob M.


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Joseph Littleshoes > wrote:
>Peter Aitken wrote:
>> > A person can not survive on dead food, Whether its animal flesh or

>>
>> I really hope you are joking. There's not a bit of truth in what you
>> say.

>
>Ever hear of "scurvy"? in 'olden times' sailors on long sea voyages
>often died from being unable to get fresh food.


Wrong.

You don't need fresh food to avoid scurvy. You just need a source
of vitamin C, and that source need not be fresh food. In those
olden times, somebody figured out that eating limes would prevent
scurvy. This is why British sailors are sometimes referred to as
"limeys." Only later it was discovered that the reason limes worked
was the vitamin C.

>There was at least one early polar expedition that tried to survive
>on 'canned' food which resulted in the death of a number of the
>people involved, which was odd because the native guides & porters,
>familiar with the environment, survived by eating raw fish and
>whale blubber which the European explorers would not do. Their
>food was nutritionally "dead" and so were they not too much later.


Wrong.

One can survive just fine on canned foods. That polar expedition
died from lead poisoning. Those who didn't eat the canned food
didn't get poisoned. It had nothing to do with the food being
"dead." Canning was a new thing then, the seams were sealed
together with lead, and nobody knew the dangers then. The logs and
diaries that were found revealed that everyone simply went mad and
forgot how to survive.

-A
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On 2005-08-17, Joseph Littleshoes > wrote:

> Ever hear of "scurvy"? in 'olden times' sailors on long sea voyages
> often died from being unable to get fresh food.


Now they can avoid it by eating dead vitamin C tablets.

> There was at least one
> early polar expedition that tried to survive on 'canned' food which
> resulted in the death of a number of the people involved....


You can cite historical facts providing medical determination of
death, right.

nb
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In article >,
Joseph Littleshoes > wrote:

> Mr Libido Incognito wrote:
>
> > Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking
> >
> > > Meat from a petri dish?
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html
> > >

> >
> > Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I haven't
> > met...
> >

>
> A person can not survive on dead food, Whether its animal flesh or
> vegetable matter it must have a degree of "life" left in it to be
> nutritious. Of course one can cook vegetable dead and then reinsert
> vitamins and minerals into them but then just try to live off that.
>
> Even the water we drink and the air we breath have microscopic life
> forms in it that are assimilated (murdered) by us "resistance is
> futile".
> ---
> JL
>


Grown cells in a petri dish are just as alive as those in a living
animal...

Unless you are going to go out to the range and gnaw the meat off of a
living calf, raw and uncooked, ANY meat you eat is going to be "Dead".

Doofus. ;-)

Same goes for veggies.

If you cook them, they are "dead".

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson
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OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

> In article >,
> Joseph Littleshoes > wrote:
>
> > Mr Libido Incognito wrote:
> >
> > > Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking
> > >
> > > > Meat from a petri dish?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html
> > > >
> > >
> > > Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I

> haven't
> > > met...
> > >

> >
> > A person can not survive on dead food, Whether its animal flesh or
> > vegetable matter it must have a degree of "life" left in it to be
> > nutritious. Of course one can cook vegetable dead and then reinsert

>
> > vitamins and minerals into them but then just try to live off that.
> >
> > Even the water we drink and the air we breath have microscopic life
> > forms in it that are assimilated (murdered) by us "resistance is
> > futile".
> > ---
> > JL
> >

>
> Grown cells in a petri dish are just as alive as those in a living
> animal...
>
> Unless you are going to go out to the range and gnaw the meat off of a
>
> living calf, raw and uncooked, ANY meat you eat is going to be "Dead".
>
> Doofus. ;-)
>
> Same goes for veggies.
>
> If you cook them, they are "dead".


Some animal flesh is cooked live, some even like to eat raw uncooked
freshly slaughtered animal flesh, however, what i meant was
'nutritionally' dead. Vegetable matter loses its nutritional qualities
very quickly animal flesh takes a little longer and can be preserved
better.

Most commercially processed vegetable matter is rendered nutritionally
'dead' and then infused with some vitamins and minerals after its
cooking.

Home preserving of fruits and veggies is not quite as bad as commercial
but you could not live solely on preserved fruits and veggies.
---
JL

>
>
> Cheers!
> --
> Om.
>
> "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack
> Nicholson






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One time on Usenet, said:
> Mr Libido Incognito wrote:
>
> > Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking
> >
> > > Meat from a petri dish?
> > >
> > >
> > >
http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html
> > >

> >
> > Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I haven't
> > met...
> >

>
> A person can not survive on dead food, Whether its animal flesh or
> vegetable matter it must have a degree of "life" left in it to be
> nutritious. Of course one can cook vegetable dead and then reinsert
> vitamins and minerals into them but then just try to live off that.


Um, what? This makes no sense at all to me.

> Even the water we drink and the air we breath have microscopic life
> forms in it that are assimilated (murdered) by us "resistance is
> futile".


You're assuming that the many microbes we ingest automatically die,
hence the term "murder". Far from true...

--
Jani in WA (S'mee)
~ mom, VidGamer, novice cook, dieter ~
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On 2005-08-17, S'mee [AKA Jani] > wrote:

> Um, what? This makes no sense at all to me.


It's complete and utter nonsense propagated by organic/natural food
zealots. US military forces survived just fine on "dead food"
(C-rats) for months on end, busting their hump every day. The
astronauts on the space station are living just fine on "dead food".
Dead food, live food ...its all just more silliness from the lunatic
fringe.

nb
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notbob wrote:

> On 2005-08-17, S'mee [AKA Jani] >
> wrote:
>
> > Um, what? This makes no sense at all to me.

>
> It's complete and utter nonsense propagated by organic/natural food
> zealots. US military forces survived just fine on "dead food"
> (C-rats) for months on end, busting their hump every day. The
> astronauts on the space station are living just fine on "dead food".
> Dead food, live food ...its all just more silliness from the lunatic
> fringe.
>
> nb


This 'lunatic fringe' nb, i am beggining to think you are a card
carrying member of.

The 'c rations' and 'astronaut' foods are processed and then have added
nutriants combined to make them life supporting. Same with any canned
food you buy in a market. But even then, a steady diet of canned foods
without any fresh veggies or meats or grains would result in a slow
deterioration of health.
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notbob wrote:

> It's complete and utter nonsense propagated by organic/natural food
> zealots. US military forces survived just fine on "dead food"
> (C-rats) for months on end, busting their hump every day. The
> astronauts on the space station are living just fine on "dead food".
> Dead food, live food ...its all just more silliness from the lunatic
> fringe.


no doubt, i wonder how all of those american civil war soldiers survived on hard
tack. oh wait, it must've been the live weevils in the hard tack that kept them
alive... nevermind :-P


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In article >,
Mr Libido Incognito > wrote:

> Arri London wrote on 16 Aug 2005 in rec.food.cooking
>
> > Meat from a petri dish?
> >
> >
> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html
> >

>
> Murder? The act of killing somebody?....I prefer Cows that I haven't
> met...


That's amusing... ;-)

I once bought an entire range veal from a woman at work.
Well, her husband actually raises the cattle......

But he was surprised that I bought the calf "sight unseen". I never
wanted to meet the calf that would be coming to me in little paper
wrapped packages. <lol>
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson


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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:17:41 -0600, Arri London >
wrote:

>Meat from a petri dish?
>
>
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html


To bad the airlines are cutting back on flight meals; that would be
perfect for mystery meat.

I love this comment from the lady from the Vegetarian Society:

"Personally I wouldn't want to, but I suppose if they're going to make
chicken nuggets with it, then it's probably not going to taste much
different."

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!
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Curly Sue wrote:
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> On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:17:41 -0600, Arri London >
> wrote:
>
> >Meat from a petri dish?
> >
> >
> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html

>
> To bad the airlines are cutting back on flight meals; that would be
> perfect for mystery meat.
>
> I love this comment from the lady from the Vegetarian Society:
>
> "Personally I wouldn't want to, but I suppose if they're going to make
> chicken nuggets with it, then it's probably not going to taste much
> different."
>
> Sue(tm)


Yes that gave me a chuckle.
Having done the tissue culture thing in the lab, it's definitely weird
to see a dish full of heart muscle cells start beating when the right
fluid is added!
The vision of 'stretching' the meat sheets to give them texture is funny
too.
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In article >, Arri London >
wrote:

> Meat from a petri dish?
>
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html


Sounds fascinating. :-)
--
Om.

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OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article >, Arri London >
> wrote:
>
> > Meat from a petri dish?
> >
> >
> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html

>
> Sounds fascinating. :-)
> --
> Om.
>
> "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson



Solyent Red?

This is just another example of man's silly attempt at (poorly)
re-inventing natures' wheel.

Look, the good lord (or mother nature, or evolution, or fate, you pick
your philosophy) placed us on this world of abundance so that we could
partake in that very abundance and be healthy and hearty doing so. And
that, as far as the human species go, most definitely includes eating
meat which involves raising or hunting, butchering and eating animals.
We all need to simply accept that reality and deal with it.

Just think of those luscious chicken wings or those baby back ribs
swimming in BBQ sauce. We are meat eaters.

TC

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On 2005-08-17, > wrote:
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> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>> In article >, Arri London >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Meat from a petri dish?
>> >
>> >
>> >
http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html
>>
>> Sounds fascinating. :-)
>> "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack
>> Nicholson

>
>
> Solyent Red?
>
> This is just another example of man's silly attempt at (poorly)
> re-inventing natures' wheel.
>
> Look, the good lord (or mother nature, or evolution, or fate, you pick
> your philosophy) placed us on this world of abundance so that we could
> partake in that very abundance and be healthy and hearty doing so. And


Whether or not "fate" permits something to happen has nothing to do with
morality or justice. Fate is not in any way directed by such notions.

> that, as far as the human species go, most definitely includes eating
> meat which involves raising or hunting, butchering and eating animals.
> We all need to simply accept that reality and deal with it.


Those of us who walk on two legs are concerned not only with emulating what
others are doing, but also with questions of morality and justice.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
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Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> > wrote:
> > OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> >> Arri London > wrote:
> >>
> >> > Meat from a petri dish?
> >> >
> >> >
http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html
> >>
> >> Sounds fascinating. :-)
> >> "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack
> >> Nicholson

> >
> > Solyent Red?
> >
> > This is just another example of man's silly attempt at (poorly)
> > re-inventing natures' wheel.
> >
> > Look, the good lord (or mother nature, or evolution, or fate, you pick
> > your philosophy) placed us on this world of abundance so that we could
> > partake in that very abundance and be healthy and hearty doing so. And

>
> Whether or not "fate" permits something to happen has nothing to do with
> morality or justice. Fate is not in any way directed by such notions.
>
> > that, as far as the human species go, most definitely includes eating
> > meat which involves raising or hunting, butchering and eating animals.
> > We all need to simply accept that reality and deal with it.

>
> Those of us who walk on two legs are concerned not only with emulating what
> others are doing, but also with questions of morality and justice.


Morality and justice are relative to circumstances. Always have been;
always will be. There are no absolutes.

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JMW > wrote:

> Morality and justice are relative to circumstances. Always have been;
> always will be. There are no absolutes.


Except that one, apparently.

So, for instance, I guess you can describe a real-life circumstance in
which raping a six year old child or torturing a baby would be just or
moral?
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In article .com>,
"JMW" > wrote:

> Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> > > wrote:
> > > OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > >> Arri London > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Meat from a petri dish?
> > >> >
> > >> >
http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html
> > >>
> > >> Sounds fascinating. :-)
> > >> "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack
> > >> Nicholson
> > >
> > > Solyent Red?
> > >
> > > This is just another example of man's silly attempt at (poorly)
> > > re-inventing natures' wheel.
> > >
> > > Look, the good lord (or mother nature, or evolution, or fate, you pick
> > > your philosophy) placed us on this world of abundance so that we could
> > > partake in that very abundance and be healthy and hearty doing so. And

> >
> > Whether or not "fate" permits something to happen has nothing to do with
> > morality or justice. Fate is not in any way directed by such notions.
> >
> > > that, as far as the human species go, most definitely includes eating
> > > meat which involves raising or hunting, butchering and eating animals.
> > > We all need to simply accept that reality and deal with it.

> >
> > Those of us who walk on two legs are concerned not only with emulating what
> > others are doing, but also with questions of morality and justice.

>
> Morality and justice are relative to circumstances. Always have been;
> always will be. There are no absolutes.


Burgers and beer is great, and that's an absolute! :-)

>


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"JMW" > wrote in message
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> There are no absolutes.






Shaun aRe
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Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> On 2005-08-17, > wrote:
> >
> > OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> >> In article >, Arri London >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Meat from a petri dish?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html
> >>
> >> Sounds fascinating. :-)
> >> "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack
> >> Nicholson

> >
> >
> > Solyent Red?
> >
> > This is just another example of man's silly attempt at (poorly)
> > re-inventing natures' wheel.
> >
> > Look, the good lord (or mother nature, or evolution, or fate, you pick
> > your philosophy) placed us on this world of abundance so that we could
> > partake in that very abundance and be healthy and hearty doing so. And

>
> Whether or not "fate" permits something to happen has nothing to do with
> morality or justice. Fate is not in any way directed by such notions.


Morality or justice has nothing to do with the survival of a species by
feeding directly off another species. That is the reality of this world
and our position within the biological matrix.

>
> > that, as far as the human species go, most definitely includes eating
> > meat which involves raising or hunting, butchering and eating animals.
> > We all need to simply accept that reality and deal with it.

>
> Those of us who walk on two legs are concerned not only with emulating what
> others are doing, but also with questions of morality and justice.


We are not emulating anyone or anything. That is the nature of our
dependence on and survival in the natural world. Morality and justice
aren't even on the table when it comes to the basic survival and the
health of our progeny, which depend directly on a primarily
animal-based diet. Morality and justice do not apply between
inter-species survival.

When a lion, a bear or maggots attacks and/or consumes a human, we
cannot infer any morality or justice to the act because they are simply
following natures plan of survival therefore how can we infer any
morality or justice to a human who raises or hunts, kills and consumes
a pig, deer, chicken or other species of animal. We are simply
following natures plan. (or the evolutionary plan, or god's plan, again
pick your own philosophy)

TC

>
> Cheers,
> --
> Donovan Rebbechi
> http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/




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In article .com>,
wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > In article >, Arri London >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Meat from a petri dish?
> > >
> > >
> > >
http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html
> >
> > Sounds fascinating. :-)
> > --
> > Om.
> >
> > "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack
> > Nicholson

>
>
> Solyent Red?
>
> This is just another example of man's silly attempt at (poorly)
> re-inventing natures' wheel.
>
> Look, the good lord (or mother nature, or evolution, or fate, you pick
> your philosophy) placed us on this world of abundance so that we could
> partake in that very abundance and be healthy and hearty doing so. And
> that, as far as the human species go, most definitely includes eating
> meat which involves raising or hunting, butchering and eating animals.
> We all need to simply accept that reality and deal with it.
>
> Just think of those luscious chicken wings or those baby back ribs
> swimming in BBQ sauce. We are meat eaters.
>
> TC
>


Rib eye... ;-d

Half raw in the middle, well seared on the outside.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson
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"OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
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> Rib eye... ;-d
>
> Half raw in the middle, well seared on the outside.



Last night we had Rib eye steak that was so good DH claimed his tastebuds
had an orgasm.

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None Given wrote:
> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Rib eye... ;-d
> >
> > Half raw in the middle, well seared on the outside.

>
>
> Last night we had Rib eye steak that was so good DH claimed his tastebuds
> had an orgasm.
>
> --
> No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes


I think I will grill one up tonight. With mushrooms and onions sauteed
in butter on top and a side of Ceasar Salad with tons of garlic and
parmasan cheese. Man, I love the low-carb lifestyle.

TC

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In article >,
"None Given" > wrote:

> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Rib eye... ;-d
> >
> > Half raw in the middle, well seared on the outside.

>
>
> Last night we had Rib eye steak that was so good DH claimed his tastebuds
> had an orgasm.


It's personally my favorite cut of meat on the entire cow...... :-)

I know exactly what he means! <lol>
--
Om.

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OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> Rib eye... ;-d
>
> Half raw in the middle, well seared on the outside.


With pink sea salt (from Hawaii), three color pepper, and some very
expensive olive oil.

Else, dusted with Chipotle, cumin, garlic, cilantro, and mexican
oregano, pre searing.

Or with a generous chunk of maitre d'hotel butter.

Few cuts beat the Rib Eye, rare. No doubt.

-Hollywood, who is having one tonight, with my Chili Fixin Butter

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In article . com>,
"Max Hollywood Harris" > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > Rib eye... ;-d
> >
> > Half raw in the middle, well seared on the outside.

>
> With pink sea salt (from Hawaii), three color pepper, and some very
> expensive olive oil.


I use a product called "real salt" that is a sort of raw salt heavy in
trace minerals, and I LOVE the three color pepper! It's all I use. :-)

I recently switched to Grapeseed oil tho' for frying steaks as I can get
the oil hotter without smoking up the house. Olive oil tho' is what I
use for nearly all other cooking.

>
> Else, dusted with Chipotle, cumin, garlic, cilantro, and mexican
> oregano, pre searing.


Ooh that sounds good! I have a live Mexican Oregano plant in the herb
garden! It blooms all year long and I prefer to use the flowers over the
leaves. Slightly milder flavor.

>
> Or with a generous chunk of maitre d'hotel butter.
>
> Few cuts beat the Rib Eye, rare. No doubt.


Indeedy! ;-d

Serve with a good Merlot.

>
> -Hollywood, who is having one tonight, with my Chili Fixin Butter


Cheers!

>

--
Om.

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OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> In article >, Arri London
> > wrote:
>
>> Meat from a petri dish?
>>
>>
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html

>
> Sounds fascinating. :-)


Please DO NOT cross post to a bunch of other ng's.

Jill


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In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > In article >, Arri London
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Meat from a petri dish?
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/arti...548451,00.html

> >
> > Sounds fascinating. :-)

>
> Please DO NOT cross post to a bunch of other ng's.
>
> Jill
>
>


Sorry...
but at least I only posted to "on topic" groups. :-)

I thought it'd be of interest to those other two.
Guess I should have posted separately instead of cross-posting?

Aplogies then if I ticked anyone here off by doing that!

Cheers!
--
Om.

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