Great, now we can watch those stores turn into the garbage that
Albertsons has become.

I guess Sainsbury, PLC couldn't keep up, yet Royal Ahold still has Stop
& Shop firmly in it's grip.

"Tony P." wrote:
>
> Great, now we can watch those stores turn into the garbage that
> Albertsons has become.

Oh, geez, I was *thrilled* when Albertsons took over Acme. I guess
Shaws is something special? Because Acme sucked big time.

> I guess Sainsbury, PLC couldn't keep up, yet Royal Ahold still has Stop
> & Shop firmly in it's grip.

I can't stand Stop & Shop. They took over Edwards which was a very
nice store as I recall. So much for that.

nancy

>"Tony P." wrote:
>>
>> Great, now we can watch those stores turn into the garbage that
>> Albertsons has become.
>
>Oh, geez, I was *thrilled* when Albertsons took over Acme. I guess
>Shaws is something special? Because Acme sucked big time.
>
>> I guess Sainsbury, PLC couldn't keep up, yet Royal Ahold still has Stop
>> & Shop firmly in it's grip.
>
>I can't stand Stop & Shop. They took over Edwards which was a very
>nice store as I recall. So much for that.
>
>nancy
-------------------------
The Albertson's in San Diego and Coronado are great.
Nancree

>From: (Nancree)

>The Albertson's in San Diego and Coronado are great.
>Nancree

The Albertson's here in Bradenton is a mega store. They have a huge natural
foods presence, which works for me. They have organic and local produce, aside
from their usual dreck, which is good. They also have the best condiment
selection in town. Great mustard from France.

Their deli and bakery is still stupidmarket bad, but I do love being able to
pick up some last minute office supplies, plant food or rent a dvd. It keeps me
from venturing over to the darkside (Walmart).

Ellen

>From: (Nancree)

>The Albertson's in San Diego and Coronado are great.
>Nancree

The Albertson's here in Bradenton is a mega store. They have a huge natural
foods presence, which works for me. They have organic and local produce, aside
from their usual dreck, which is good. They also have the best condiment
selection in town. Great mustard from France.

Their deli and bakery is still stupidmarket bad, but I do love being able to
pick up some last minute office supplies, plant food or rent a dvd. It keeps me
from venturing over to the darkside (Walmart).

Ellen

Nancree > wrote:

> The Albertson's in San Diego and Coronado are great.

The Acme supermarket chain (mostly in NJ and PA) is owned by
Albertson's too, as of a year or two ago. My favorite thing
about Acme is they have the best selection of Heinz ketchup.
For example, Acme was the first supermarket in my area to sell
the colored ketchup and they are the first to sell the low carb
ketchup. The other supermarkets in my area don't have the low
carb Heinz ketchup yet, as far as I know. A good selection of
Heinz products is fundamental to a well run grocery store.

>From:

>My favorite thing
>about Acme is they have the best selection of Heinz ketchup.
>For example, Acme was the first supermarket in my area to sell
>the colored ketchup and they are the first to sell the low carb
>ketchup. The other supermarkets in my area don't have the low
>carb Heinz ketchup yet, as far as I know. A good selection of
>Heinz products is fundamental to a well run grocery store.

What's your take on Heinz Organic?

Ellen

>From:

>My favorite thing
>about Acme is they have the best selection of Heinz ketchup.
>For example, Acme was the first supermarket in my area to sell
>the colored ketchup and they are the first to sell the low carb
>ketchup. The other supermarkets in my area don't have the low
>carb Heinz ketchup yet, as far as I know. A good selection of
>Heinz products is fundamental to a well run grocery store.

What's your take on Heinz Organic?

Ellen

wrote:
> Nancree > wrote:
>
>
>>The Albertson's in San Diego and Coronado are great.
>
>
> The Acme supermarket chain (mostly in NJ and PA) is owned by
> Albertson's too, as of a year or two ago. My favorite thing
> about Acme is they have the best selection of Heinz ketchup.
> For example, Acme was the first supermarket in my area to sell
> the colored ketchup and they are the first to sell the low carb
> ketchup. The other supermarkets in my area don't have the low
> carb Heinz ketchup yet, as far as I know. A good selection of
> Heinz products is fundamental to a well run grocery store.
>
Funny how you can overlook the bad when there is Heinz. In the
Northwest, Albertson's is a schlock store. They peddle select grade
beef, telling people it is for their health. Yet, I do wonder why their
select cuts of beef cost as much as choice in other stores. And all
their pork products are injected with sodium solution, to tenderize,
even the ribs! And the pork butts, too. I always wonder why you
tenderize a cut of pork that is meant to be on the smoker for 12 hours.
--
Alan

"If you reject the food, ignore the customs, fear the religion, and
avoid the people, you might better stay home."
--James Michener

In rec.food.cooking, alzelt > wrote:

> I always wonder why you
> tenderize a cut of pork that is meant to be on the smoker for 12 hours.

So you can sell people 10% salt water for the same price as 100% pork?

--
....I'm an air-conditioned gypsy...

- The Who

In rec.food.cooking, alzelt > wrote:

> I always wonder why you
> tenderize a cut of pork that is meant to be on the smoker for 12 hours.

So you can sell people 10% salt water for the same price as 100% pork?

--
....I'm an air-conditioned gypsy...

- The Who

"alzelt" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> wrote:
> > Nancree > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>The Albertson's in San Diego and Coronado are great.
> >
> >
> > The Acme supermarket chain (mostly in NJ and PA) is owned by
> > Albertson's too, as of a year or two ago. My favorite thing
> > about Acme is they have the best selection of Heinz ketchup.
> > For example, Acme was the first supermarket in my area to sell
> > the colored ketchup and they are the first to sell the low carb
> > ketchup. The other supermarkets in my area don't have the low
> > carb Heinz ketchup yet, as far as I know. A good selection of
> > Heinz products is fundamental to a well run grocery store.
> >
> Funny how you can overlook the bad when there is Heinz. In the
> Northwest, Albertson's is a schlock store. They peddle select grade
> beef, telling people it is for their health. Yet, I do wonder why their
> select cuts of beef cost as much as choice in other stores. And all
> their pork products are injected with sodium solution, to tenderize,
> even the ribs! And the pork butts, too. I always wonder why you
> tenderize a cut of pork that is meant to be on the smoker for 12 hours.
> --
> Alan

Just goes to show, put enough ketchup on it and it'll be ok.

Jack HeinzHunts

"alzelt" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> wrote:
> > Nancree > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>The Albertson's in San Diego and Coronado are great.
> >
> >
> > The Acme supermarket chain (mostly in NJ and PA) is owned by
> > Albertson's too, as of a year or two ago. My favorite thing
> > about Acme is they have the best selection of Heinz ketchup.
> > For example, Acme was the first supermarket in my area to sell
> > the colored ketchup and they are the first to sell the low carb
> > ketchup. The other supermarkets in my area don't have the low
> > carb Heinz ketchup yet, as far as I know. A good selection of
> > Heinz products is fundamental to a well run grocery store.
> >
> Funny how you can overlook the bad when there is Heinz. In the
> Northwest, Albertson's is a schlock store. They peddle select grade
> beef, telling people it is for their health. Yet, I do wonder why their
> select cuts of beef cost as much as choice in other stores. And all
> their pork products are injected with sodium solution, to tenderize,
> even the ribs! And the pork butts, too. I always wonder why you
> tenderize a cut of pork that is meant to be on the smoker for 12 hours.
> --
> Alan

Just goes to show, put enough ketchup on it and it'll be ok.

Jack HeinzHunts

in article , alzelt
at wrote on 3/27/04 1:56 AM:

> Funny how you can overlook the bad when there is Heinz. In the
> Northwest, Albertson's is a schlock store. They peddle select grade
> beef, telling people it is for their health. Yet, I do wonder why their
> select cuts of beef cost as much as choice in other stores. And all
> their pork products are injected with sodium solution, to tenderize,
> even the ribs! And the pork butts, too. I always wonder why you
> tenderize a cut of pork that is meant to be on the smoker for 12 hours.
> --
> Alan

Well, that pretty much describes the meat situation at Shaw's currently, so
I guess I won't expect that to change. Now you know why I refuse to buy
meat there.

Stop and Shop, for now, anyway, does do some cutting of beef and pork in the
store. I realize they are not doing real butchering, but you can still ask
for a larger or smaller something if you want it. It's Choice beef packaged
there and neither the beef nor pork are adulterated.

in article , alzelt
at wrote on 3/27/04 1:56 AM:

> Funny how you can overlook the bad when there is Heinz. In the
> Northwest, Albertson's is a schlock store. They peddle select grade
> beef, telling people it is for their health. Yet, I do wonder why their
> select cuts of beef cost as much as choice in other stores. And all
> their pork products are injected with sodium solution, to tenderize,
> even the ribs! And the pork butts, too. I always wonder why you
> tenderize a cut of pork that is meant to be on the smoker for 12 hours.
> --
> Alan

Well, that pretty much describes the meat situation at Shaw's currently, so
I guess I won't expect that to change. Now you know why I refuse to buy
meat there.

Stop and Shop, for now, anyway, does do some cutting of beef and pork in the
store. I realize they are not doing real butchering, but you can still ask
for a larger or smaller something if you want it. It's Choice beef packaged
there and neither the beef nor pork are adulterated.

wrote:
> Nancree > wrote:
>
>
>>The Albertson's in San Diego and Coronado are great.
>
>
> The Acme supermarket chain (mostly in NJ and PA) is owned by
> Albertson's too, as of a year or two ago. My favorite thing
> about Acme is they have the best selection of Heinz ketchup.
> For example, Acme was the first supermarket in my area to sell
> the colored ketchup and they are the first to sell the low carb
> ketchup. The other supermarkets in my area don't have the low
> carb Heinz ketchup yet, as far as I know. A good selection of
> Heinz products is fundamental to a well run grocery store.
>
Funny how you can overlook the bad when there is Heinz. In the
Northwest, Albertson's is a schlock store. They peddle select grade
beef, telling people it is for their health. Yet, I do wonder why their
select cuts of beef cost as much as choice in other stores. And all
their pork products are injected with sodium solution, to tenderize,
even the ribs! And the pork butts, too. I always wonder why you
tenderize a cut of pork that is meant to be on the smoker for 12 hours.
--
Alan

"If you reject the food, ignore the customs, fear the religion, and
avoid the people, you might better stay home."
--James Michener

Nancree > wrote:

> The Albertson's in San Diego and Coronado are great.

The Acme supermarket chain (mostly in NJ and PA) is owned by
Albertson's too, as of a year or two ago. My favorite thing
about Acme is they have the best selection of Heinz ketchup.
For example, Acme was the first supermarket in my area to sell
the colored ketchup and they are the first to sell the low carb
ketchup. The other supermarkets in my area don't have the low
carb Heinz ketchup yet, as far as I know. A good selection of
Heinz products is fundamental to a well run grocery store.

>"Tony P." wrote:
>>
>> Great, now we can watch those stores turn into the garbage that
>> Albertsons has become.
>
>Oh, geez, I was *thrilled* when Albertsons took over Acme. I guess
>Shaws is something special? Because Acme sucked big time.
>
>> I guess Sainsbury, PLC couldn't keep up, yet Royal Ahold still has Stop
>> & Shop firmly in it's grip.
>
>I can't stand Stop & Shop. They took over Edwards which was a very
>nice store as I recall. So much for that.
>
>nancy
-------------------------
The Albertson's in San Diego and Coronado are great.
Nancree

in article , Nancy Young at
wrote on 3/26/04 6:24 PM:

> "Tony P." wrote:
>>
>> Great, now we can watch those stores turn into the garbage that
>> Albertsons has become.
>
> Oh, geez, I was *thrilled* when Albertsons took over Acme. I guess
> Shaws is something special? Because Acme sucked big time.

I don't think Shaw's is that great. Dirty, for one thing.

>
>> I guess Sainsbury, PLC couldn't keep up, yet Royal Ahold still has Stop
>> & Shop firmly in it's grip.
>
> I can't stand Stop & Shop. They took over Edwards which was a very
> nice store as I recall. So much for that.

Funny you say that.
Edwards got bought by Royal Ahold. Then Royal Ahold, a few years later,
bought up Stop and Shop. In markets where they had both Edwards and Stop
and Shop established, one of them had to be sold, at least in CT. That was
decreed by the Attorney General. So they chose the more profitable location
to keep. Most of the stores that were sold were Edward's stores (at least
here in CT) and many of them were bought by Shaw's, though some were bought
by Big Y. Anyway, Royal Ahold decided that Stop and Shop was the stronger
brand name, so whatever stores they had here in the northeast were rebranded
as Stop and Shops, if they weren't already. But all they really kept was
the name--the real character of the store was overtaken by the corporate
parent.

It may seem like Stop and Shop took over Edwards, but actually, the opposite
is true, since Edwards was owned by Royal Ahold before Stop and Shop was.

Kinda like when Federated Stores bought Macy's. Macy's was a stronger brand
than Bambergers, Stern's, Jordan Marsh, A&S, etc, so they sold some of the
locations and converted most of the others to Macy's stores. Except, they
weren't the same Macy's stores as they were before the takeover.

>
> nancy

Sheryl Rosen wrote:
>
> in article , Nancy Young at

> > Oh, geez, I was *thrilled* when Albertsons took over Acme. I guess
> > Shaws is something special? Because Acme sucked big time.

> > I can't stand Stop & Shop. They took over Edwards which was a very
> > nice store as I recall. So much for that.
>
> Funny you say that.
> Edwards got bought by Royal Ahold. Then Royal Ahold, a few years later,
> bought up Stop and Shop. In markets where they had both Edwards and Stop
> and Shop established, one of them had to be sold, at least in CT. That was
> decreed by the Attorney General. So they chose the more profitable location
> to keep. Most of the stores that were sold were Edward's stores (at least
> here in CT) and many of them were bought by Shaw's, though some were bought
> by Big Y. Anyway, Royal Ahold decided that Stop and Shop was the stronger
> brand name, so whatever stores they had here in the northeast were rebranded
> as Stop and Shops, if they weren't already. But all they really kept was
> the name--the real character of the store was overtaken by the corporate
> parent.

It stinks. Edwards was so much nicer.

> Kinda like when Federated Stores bought Macy's. Macy's was a stronger brand
> than Bambergers, Stern's, Jordan Marsh, A&S, etc, so they sold some of the
> locations and converted most of the others to Macy's stores. Except, they
> weren't the same Macy's stores as they were before the takeover.

I hate Federated stores and I was upset when they were allowed to
buy Macy's. Now Macy's is a second rate department store.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...

>
> > Kinda like when Federated Stores bought Macy's. Macy's was a stronger
brand
> > than Bambergers, Stern's, Jordan Marsh, A&S, etc, so they sold some of
the
> > locations and converted most of the others to Macy's stores. Except,
they
> > weren't the same Macy's stores as they were before the takeover.
>
> I hate Federated stores and I was upset when they were allowed to
> buy Macy's. Now Macy's is a second rate department store.
>
> nancy

Agreed. What's funny is that here Jordan Marsh carried much better brands
than Macy's does. Long gone are the days when one could buy Brighton,
Gucci, Prada, Chanel and Armani locally Macy's doesn't carry them. (Long
gone too are the days when I could buy that on a whim.) Children's clothing
has taken the hardest hit at Macy's on occassion they have brands also sold
at Wal-Mart. Macy's was better and at least the Federated store here was
better before the buy-out.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...

>
> > Kinda like when Federated Stores bought Macy's. Macy's was a stronger
brand
> > than Bambergers, Stern's, Jordan Marsh, A&S, etc, so they sold some of
the
> > locations and converted most of the others to Macy's stores. Except,
they
> > weren't the same Macy's stores as they were before the takeover.
>
> I hate Federated stores and I was upset when they were allowed to
> buy Macy's. Now Macy's is a second rate department store.
>
> nancy

Agreed. What's funny is that here Jordan Marsh carried much better brands
than Macy's does. Long gone are the days when one could buy Brighton,
Gucci, Prada, Chanel and Armani locally Macy's doesn't carry them. (Long
gone too are the days when I could buy that on a whim.) Children's clothing
has taken the hardest hit at Macy's on occassion they have brands also sold
at Wal-Mart. Macy's was better and at least the Federated store here was
better before the buy-out.

Sheryl Rosen wrote:
>
> in article , Nancy Young at

> > Oh, geez, I was *thrilled* when Albertsons took over Acme. I guess
> > Shaws is something special? Because Acme sucked big time.

> > I can't stand Stop & Shop. They took over Edwards which was a very
> > nice store as I recall. So much for that.
>
> Funny you say that.
> Edwards got bought by Royal Ahold. Then Royal Ahold, a few years later,
> bought up Stop and Shop. In markets where they had both Edwards and Stop
> and Shop established, one of them had to be sold, at least in CT. That was
> decreed by the Attorney General. So they chose the more profitable location
> to keep. Most of the stores that were sold were Edward's stores (at least
> here in CT) and many of them were bought by Shaw's, though some were bought
> by Big Y. Anyway, Royal Ahold decided that Stop and Shop was the stronger
> brand name, so whatever stores they had here in the northeast were rebranded
> as Stop and Shops, if they weren't already. But all they really kept was
> the name--the real character of the store was overtaken by the corporate
> parent.

It stinks. Edwards was so much nicer.

> Kinda like when Federated Stores bought Macy's. Macy's was a stronger brand
> than Bambergers, Stern's, Jordan Marsh, A&S, etc, so they sold some of the
> locations and converted most of the others to Macy's stores. Except, they
> weren't the same Macy's stores as they were before the takeover.

I hate Federated stores and I was upset when they were allowed to
buy Macy's. Now Macy's is a second rate department store.

nancy

In article >,
says...
> I don't think Shaw's is that great. Dirty, for one thing.

The Shaw's Eagle Square (Providence, RI) is only about 6 or so months
old. It was the first thing to open in Eagle Square.

THe store is relatively clean but you're right, I've been in some stores
that could have used a thorough scrubbing.

In article >,
says...
> I don't think Shaw's is that great. Dirty, for one thing.

The Shaw's Eagle Square (Providence, RI) is only about 6 or so months
old. It was the first thing to open in Eagle Square.

THe store is relatively clean but you're right, I've been in some stores
that could have used a thorough scrubbing.

in article , Nancy Young at
wrote on 3/26/04 6:24 PM:

> "Tony P." wrote:
>>
>> Great, now we can watch those stores turn into the garbage that
>> Albertsons has become.
>
> Oh, geez, I was *thrilled* when Albertsons took over Acme. I guess
> Shaws is something special? Because Acme sucked big time.

I don't think Shaw's is that great. Dirty, for one thing.

>
>> I guess Sainsbury, PLC couldn't keep up, yet Royal Ahold still has Stop
>> & Shop firmly in it's grip.
>
> I can't stand Stop & Shop. They took over Edwards which was a very
> nice store as I recall. So much for that.

Funny you say that.
Edwards got bought by Royal Ahold. Then Royal Ahold, a few years later,
bought up Stop and Shop. In markets where they had both Edwards and Stop
and Shop established, one of them had to be sold, at least in CT. That was
decreed by the Attorney General. So they chose the more profitable location
to keep. Most of the stores that were sold were Edward's stores (at least
here in CT) and many of them were bought by Shaw's, though some were bought
by Big Y. Anyway, Royal Ahold decided that Stop and Shop was the stronger
brand name, so whatever stores they had here in the northeast were rebranded
as Stop and Shops, if they weren't already. But all they really kept was
the name--the real character of the store was overtaken by the corporate
parent.

It may seem like Stop and Shop took over Edwards, but actually, the opposite
is true, since Edwards was owned by Royal Ahold before Stop and Shop was.

Kinda like when Federated Stores bought Macy's. Macy's was a stronger brand
than Bambergers, Stern's, Jordan Marsh, A&S, etc, so they sold some of the
locations and converted most of the others to Macy's stores. Except, they
weren't the same Macy's stores as they were before the takeover.

>
> nancy

"Tony P." wrote:
>
> Great, now we can watch those stores turn into the garbage that
> Albertsons has become.

Oh, geez, I was *thrilled* when Albertsons took over Acme. I guess
Shaws is something special? Because Acme sucked big time.

> I guess Sainsbury, PLC couldn't keep up, yet Royal Ahold still has Stop
> & Shop firmly in it's grip.

I can't stand Stop & Shop. They took over Edwards which was a very
nice store as I recall. So much for that.

nancy

Huh? I am not!

--
Mark Shaw contact info at homepage --> http://www.panix.com/~mshaw
================================================== ======================
"[The Blues] is the kind of music that doesn't
mince words -- it gets right to it." -Bonnie Raitt

Huh? I am not!

--
Mark Shaw contact info at homepage --> http://www.panix.com/~mshaw
================================================== ======================
"[The Blues] is the kind of music that doesn't
mince words -- it gets right to it." -Bonnie Raitt

"Tony P." > wrote in message
.. .
> Great, now we can watch those stores turn into the garbage that
> Albertsons has become.
>
> I guess Sainsbury, PLC couldn't keep up, yet Royal Ahold still has Stop
> & Shop firmly in it's grip.
>
Around here, the home of Albertson's, they are the highest priced store in
town--course, they pretty much own the town. Except for a couple of
Winco's, WalMarts and Fred Meyer's. By highest priced, I mean 20-30 cents
on a can of something, $1-$1.50 on a pint of Ben and Jerry's. Narrow
selection of items too. Thank God for Costco!
Janet

In article >,
says...
>
> "Tony P." > wrote in message
> .. .
> > Great, now we can watch those stores turn into the garbage that
> > Albertsons has become.
> >
> > I guess Sainsbury, PLC couldn't keep up, yet Royal Ahold still has Stop
> > & Shop firmly in it's grip.
> >
> Around here, the home of Albertson's, they are the highest priced store in
> town--course, they pretty much own the town. Except for a couple of
> Winco's, WalMarts and Fred Meyer's. By highest priced, I mean 20-30 cents
> on a can of something, $1-$1.50 on a pint of Ben and Jerry's. Narrow
> selection of items too. Thank God for Costco!

Around here Shaw's is the smaller of the markets. All we have left are
Stop & Shop and now Whole Foods.

Shaw's is odd with prices. They actually put things on sale that I'd
use, as opposed to Stop & Shop where they put things on sale that are
way out in left field.

Most of their prices are fairly decent. So I suppose once Albertsons
takes it over I can expect prices to go up. Great.

In article >,
says...
>
> "Tony P." > wrote in message
> .. .
> > Great, now we can watch those stores turn into the garbage that
> > Albertsons has become.
> >
> > I guess Sainsbury, PLC couldn't keep up, yet Royal Ahold still has Stop
> > & Shop firmly in it's grip.
> >
> Around here, the home of Albertson's, they are the highest priced store in
> town--course, they pretty much own the town. Except for a couple of
> Winco's, WalMarts and Fred Meyer's. By highest priced, I mean 20-30 cents
> on a can of something, $1-$1.50 on a pint of Ben and Jerry's. Narrow
> selection of items too. Thank God for Costco!

Around here Shaw's is the smaller of the markets. All we have left are
Stop & Shop and now Whole Foods.

Shaw's is odd with prices. They actually put things on sale that I'd
use, as opposed to Stop & Shop where they put things on sale that are
way out in left field.

Most of their prices are fairly decent. So I suppose once Albertsons
takes it over I can expect prices to go up. Great.

"Tony P." > wrote in message
.. .
> Great, now we can watch those stores turn into the garbage that
> Albertsons has become.
>
> I guess Sainsbury, PLC couldn't keep up, yet Royal Ahold still has Stop
> & Shop firmly in it's grip.
>
Around here, the home of Albertson's, they are the highest priced store in
town--course, they pretty much own the town. Except for a couple of
Winco's, WalMarts and Fred Meyer's. By highest priced, I mean 20-30 cents
on a can of something, $1-$1.50 on a pint of Ben and Jerry's. Narrow
selection of items too. Thank God for Costco!
Janet

in article , Tony P. at
wrote on 3/26/04 6:08 PM:

> Great, now we can watch those stores turn into the garbage that
> Albertsons has become.
>
> I guess Sainsbury, PLC couldn't keep up, yet Royal Ahold still has Stop
> & Shop firmly in it's grip.
>

Hmm..I'm not a fan of Shaws at all, but the couple of Albertsons I've been
to in Florida and Texas were kinda nice. I have a huge problem with their
meats, I just flat out won't buy them, not even chicken. I will shop there
for their sales only, and then, there have to be a LOT of items at really
great prices.

I have shopped at Stop and Shop FOREVER! I agree it went downhill when
Ahold took over, but lately, I'm liking them a little better.

They still have the %@#&ing card, but they are also using "everyday low
pricing" on some basic items and I really like that.

We have 2 Stop and Shops within 2 miles of my house, and another 5 within a
10 mile radius. And they're building yet another. My city will have 3, one
neighboring town has 2. Shaws, has 3 stores within the 5 mile radius. To me
they are no competitor. What I'm really aching for is something OTHER than
Stop and Shop and Shaws. Like Shop Rite. Or Big Y.

"Sheryl Rosen" > wrote in message
...
> in article , Tony P. at
> wrote on 3/26/04 6:08 PM:
> We have 2 Stop and Shops within 2 miles of my house, and another 5 within
a
> 10 mile radius. And they're building yet another. My city will have 3,
one
> neighboring town has 2. Shaws, has 3 stores within the 5 mile radius. To
me
> they are no competitor. What I'm really aching for is something OTHER
than
> Stop and Shop and Shaws. Like Shop Rite. Or Big Y.
>
Sounds like here. I'm not sure where in CT you are, but we have Stop and
Shop up the wazoo here, but that's not all we have by any means. On the
main drag where I live (Rt 5) We have three Stop & Shops within about 5
miles. In that 5 mile span, going from North to South, we have Stop and
Shop, Shop Rite, Stop and Shop, Shaws, and Stop and Shop.
Right now, Super Wal-Mart is being built less than 1/4 mile south of Shaws.
A BigY is being built maybe 1/2 mile north of the southernmost Stop and
Shop. Oh, and there's an Aldis in there too, as well as a produce only
store. Super KMart used to be in the building where the Super Wal-Mart is
going to be this summer. Waldbaums Food Mart used to be next door to the
Southermost Stop & Shop but went out of business maybe 2 years ago.

Personally, Stop and Shop is my favorite of the bunch. Shop Rite doesn't
seem very clean, Shaw's is clean, but I can't ever find anything because I
can't make sense of the way things are organized in there. I'm looking
forward to Big Y opening, they seem to run good sales and have a nice
produce/bakery area.

I think that we are quite fortunate in the variety of Supermarkets that we
have here. Especially compared with what I have seen when traveling in
other parts of the country.

Tracey in CT

Tracey wrote:

> Sounds like here. I'm not sure where in CT you are, but we have Stop and
> Shop up the wazoo here, but that's not all we have by any means. On the
> main drag where I live (Rt 5) We have three Stop & Shops within about 5
> miles. In that 5 mile span, going from North to South, we have Stop and
> Shop, Shop Rite, Stop and Shop, Shaws, and Stop and Shop.
> Right now, Super Wal-Mart is being built less than 1/4 mile south of Shaws.
> A BigY is being built maybe 1/2 mile north of the southernmost Stop and
> Shop. Oh, and there's an Aldis in there too, as well as a produce only
> store. Super KMart used to be in the building where the Super Wal-Mart is
> going to be this summer.

This is my idea of a nightmare.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:

> > Sounds like here. I'm not sure where in CT you are, but we have Stop
and
> > Shop up the wazoo here, but that's not all we have by any means. On the
> > main drag where I live (Rt 5) We have three Stop & Shops within about 5
> > miles. In that 5 mile span, going from North to South, we have Stop
and
> > Shop, Shop Rite, Stop and Shop, Shaws, and Stop and Shop.
> > Right now, Super Wal-Mart is being built less than 1/4 mile south of
Shaws.
> > A BigY is being built maybe 1/2 mile north of the southernmost Stop and
> > Shop. Oh, and there's an Aldis in there too, as well as a produce only
> > store. Super KMart used to be in the building where the Super Wal-Mart
is
> > going to be this summer.
>
> This is my idea of a nightmare.


Well, I'm kinda proud that someone here had some spine:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/...walmart26.html


Wal-Mart can't get store in city's door

March 26, 2004

BY FRAN SPIELMAN City Hall Reporter


Wal-Mart's $20 million entry into the Chicago market suffered a serious --
and perhaps fatal --setback Thursday, when organized labor flexed its muscle
against a company it calls "public enemy No. 1" and derailed a West Side
zoning change.

In siding with the Chicago Federation of Labor over Wal-Mart and Ald. Emma
Mitts (37th), the Zoning Committee broke with the longstanding City Council
tradition of deferring to the local alderman on zoning issues.

Aldermen said they violated their own unwritten rule for the proposed,
150,000-square-foot store on the northern edge of impoverished Austin
because the Wal-Mart issue is bigger than just one neighborhood.

They argued that Chicago is a "union town" that should slam the door to a
"notoriously anti-union" retailing behemoth that pays its employees $2 an
hour less than its competitors, offers meager benefits, runs roughshod over
women and illegal immigrants, and showers its political contributions on
Republican candidates.

The first Chicago Wal-Mart was supposed to open in spring 2005 at 1657 N.
Kilpatrick, on the site of a vacant shampoo factory. It was expected to be
the first of several Wal-Mart stores in Chicago, according to company
officials who have scouted a dozen city sites.

"They're taking over our country. They're ruining suppliers. They're burying
competition. They're paying their employees dirt. And they're putting on a
smiley face when they do it. Somebody's got to stand up to 'em," said
Transportation Committee Chairman Tom Allen (38th).

In a City Council with only one Republican, Wal-Mart's decision to shower 85
percent of its $1.5 million-a-year political action committee fund on GOP
candidates doesn't sit well, said Finance Committee Chairman Edward M. Burke
(14th). "This is a Democratic city, and it's a union city," he said.

Mitts countered that her impoverished West Side ward is desperate for
jobs -- even low-paying ones. "We've got teenagers who need work. They've
got to start somewhere. I started out in a grocery story. What's wrong with
them starting and being trained? Minimum wage is low wages [but] it's a
job," she said.

Mitts accused her colleagues of deferring the zoning change without her
consent when she was out of the City Council chambers making a phone call.
Zoning Committee Chairman William Banks (36th) insisted that Mitts "didn't
have the votes" and that the deferral spared her the embarrassment of a
certain defeat.

John Bisio, Wal-Mart's regional manager for community affairs, blamed
"special interests trying to keep out competition" for Thursday's setback.
The deferral "just gives us the opportunity to better tell our story," Bisio
said.

"Target is not union. K-Mart is not union. A lot of small mom and pop stores
are not union. We are not an anti-union company. . . . We do pay a very
competitive wage and benefits package," he said.

CFL President Dennis Gannon refused to claim victory. Wal-Mart, he said, is
too big to "fold its tent" and go home.

Copyright © The Sun-Times Company

</>

Nancy Young wrote:

> > Sounds like here. I'm not sure where in CT you are, but we have Stop
and
> > Shop up the wazoo here, but that's not all we have by any means. On the
> > main drag where I live (Rt 5) We have three Stop & Shops within about 5
> > miles. In that 5 mile span, going from North to South, we have Stop
and
> > Shop, Shop Rite, Stop and Shop, Shaws, and Stop and Shop.
> > Right now, Super Wal-Mart is being built less than 1/4 mile south of
Shaws.
> > A BigY is being built maybe 1/2 mile north of the southernmost Stop and
> > Shop. Oh, and there's an Aldis in there too, as well as a produce only
> > store. Super KMart used to be in the building where the Super Wal-Mart
is
> > going to be this summer.
>
> This is my idea of a nightmare.


Well, I'm kinda proud that someone here had some spine:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/...walmart26.html


Wal-Mart can't get store in city's door

March 26, 2004

BY FRAN SPIELMAN City Hall Reporter


Wal-Mart's $20 million entry into the Chicago market suffered a serious --
and perhaps fatal --setback Thursday, when organized labor flexed its muscle
against a company it calls "public enemy No. 1" and derailed a West Side
zoning change.

In siding with the Chicago Federation of Labor over Wal-Mart and Ald. Emma
Mitts (37th), the Zoning Committee broke with the longstanding City Council
tradition of deferring to the local alderman on zoning issues.

Aldermen said they violated their own unwritten rule for the proposed,
150,000-square-foot store on the northern edge of impoverished Austin
because the Wal-Mart issue is bigger than just one neighborhood.

They argued that Chicago is a "union town" that should slam the door to a
"notoriously anti-union" retailing behemoth that pays its employees $2 an
hour less than its competitors, offers meager benefits, runs roughshod over
women and illegal immigrants, and showers its political contributions on
Republican candidates.

The first Chicago Wal-Mart was supposed to open in spring 2005 at 1657 N.
Kilpatrick, on the site of a vacant shampoo factory. It was expected to be
the first of several Wal-Mart stores in Chicago, according to company
officials who have scouted a dozen city sites.

"They're taking over our country. They're ruining suppliers. They're burying
competition. They're paying their employees dirt. And they're putting on a
smiley face when they do it. Somebody's got to stand up to 'em," said
Transportation Committee Chairman Tom Allen (38th).

In a City Council with only one Republican, Wal-Mart's decision to shower 85
percent of its $1.5 million-a-year political action committee fund on GOP
candidates doesn't sit well, said Finance Committee Chairman Edward M. Burke
(14th). "This is a Democratic city, and it's a union city," he said.

Mitts countered that her impoverished West Side ward is desperate for
jobs -- even low-paying ones. "We've got teenagers who need work. They've
got to start somewhere. I started out in a grocery story. What's wrong with
them starting and being trained? Minimum wage is low wages [but] it's a
job," she said.

Mitts accused her colleagues of deferring the zoning change without her
consent when she was out of the City Council chambers making a phone call.
Zoning Committee Chairman William Banks (36th) insisted that Mitts "didn't
have the votes" and that the deferral spared her the embarrassment of a
certain defeat.

John Bisio, Wal-Mart's regional manager for community affairs, blamed
"special interests trying to keep out competition" for Thursday's setback.
The deferral "just gives us the opportunity to better tell our story," Bisio
said.

"Target is not union. K-Mart is not union. A lot of small mom and pop stores
are not union. We are not an anti-union company. . . . We do pay a very
competitive wage and benefits package," he said.

CFL President Dennis Gannon refused to claim victory. Wal-Mart, he said, is
too big to "fold its tent" and go home.

Copyright © The Sun-Times Company

</>

Tracey wrote:

> Sounds like here. I'm not sure where in CT you are, but we have Stop and
> Shop up the wazoo here, but that's not all we have by any means. On the
> main drag where I live (Rt 5) We have three Stop & Shops within about 5
> miles. In that 5 mile span, going from North to South, we have Stop and
> Shop, Shop Rite, Stop and Shop, Shaws, and Stop and Shop.
> Right now, Super Wal-Mart is being built less than 1/4 mile south of Shaws.
> A BigY is being built maybe 1/2 mile north of the southernmost Stop and
> Shop. Oh, and there's an Aldis in there too, as well as a produce only
> store. Super KMart used to be in the building where the Super Wal-Mart is
> going to be this summer.

This is my idea of a nightmare.

nancy

"Tracey" > wrote in message
. com...
>
> Personally, Stop and Shop is my favorite of the bunch. Shop Rite doesn't
> seem very clean, Shaw's is clean, but I can't ever find anything because I
> can't make sense of the way things are organized in there. I'm looking
> forward to Big Y opening, they seem to run good sales and have a nice
> produce/bakery area.
>
> I think that we are quite fortunate in the variety of Supermarkets that we
> have here. Especially compared with what I have seen when traveling in
> other parts of the country.
>


The 2 Stop and Shops I frequent are both very good. The best larger grocery
I've been to in CT is Wild Oats in W. Hartford.

Meh, I'm not worried about Shaw's being taken over by Albertson's. If they
stink up the joint, we won't go there.

Jack YBigShawsStopandShop?