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>
> On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 12:15:06 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
> > Bruce wrote:
> >> I just watched a program about non stick pans. They're bad for us and
> >> for the environment. A chemist recommended stainless steel or ceramic.
> >> A chef added cast iron as an option. Both were adamant against non
> >> stick. We just ordered a few very affordable ceramic pans online and
> >> threw out the little non stick pan I fry eggs in.
> >
> > From what I've heard, non-stick pans are good with low heat cooking,
> >like eggs. Not good for high heat, like searing meat. At high heat, they
> >break down and emit noxious fumes.
> >
> I wasn't trying to sear anything but rather to brown and crisp my
> potato patties made of yesterday's mashed potatoes. It was also
> impossible to turn them as they kept slipping across the pan they
> kept rolling a bit and sliding and turning to a flat moosh in the pan.
> Tong would not work for something like the potato patties.
> I was cooking at medium heat as I always do and at that heat I am able
> to brown and crisp anything I want using regular or other non-stick
> pan. The potato patties come to mind but I have tried to brown and
> crisp other foods and just wasn't successful
> Janet US

Horses for courses.
I have a couple of non-stick frying pans for omelettes, pancakes and
fried eggs, and a non-stick saucepan for scrambled eggs and cheese
sauces. No metal utensils used , ever.

A cast iron pan for searing steaks and chops.
A stainless steel frying pan for everything else (stirfry veg,
fish/scallops)

I've had all of them for decades.

Janet UK

On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 12:30:15 -0000, Janet > wrote:

> Horses for courses.
> I have a couple of non-stick frying pans for omelettes, pancakes and
>fried eggs, and a non-stick saucepan for scrambled eggs and cheese
>sauces. No metal utensils used , ever.
>
> A cast iron pan for searing steaks and chops.
> A stainless steel frying pan for everything else (stirfry veg,
>fish/scallops)
>
> I've had all of them for decades.

Using a non stick pan for decades is bad news.

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Bruce wrote:

> I just watched a program about non stick pans.

It's just a laugh a minute at your house, ain't it?





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On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 01:25:27 -0700 (PDT), Jtem >
wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>
>> I just watched a program about non stick pans.
>
>It's just a laugh a minute at your house, ain't it?

Bloody hilarious, mate!

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Bruce wrote:

> Jtem > wrote:
> >Bruce wrote:
> >
> >> I just watched a program about non stick pans.
> >
> >It's just a laugh a minute at your house, ain't it?

> Bloody hilarious, mate!

I figured somebody had to be.



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On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 4:30:52 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 01:25:27 -0700 (PDT), Jtem >
> wrote:
> >Bruce wrote:
> >
> >> I just watched a program about non stick pans.
> >
> >It's just a laugh a minute at your house, ain't it?
>
> Bloody hilarious, mate!

Bl**dy is a curse word across the Atlantic, isn't it?

On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 07:59:07 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 4:30:52 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 01:25:27 -0700 (PDT), Jtem >
>> wrote:
>> >Bruce wrote:
>> >
>> >> I just watched a program about non stick pans.
>> >
>> >It's just a laugh a minute at your house, ain't it?
>>
>> Bloody hilarious, mate!
>
>Bl**dy is a curse word across the Atlantic, isn't it?

Where is "across the Atlantic" from your perspective?

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On Fri, 05 Mar 2021 19:05:00 -0700, US Janet wrote:

> I bought a 2-piece set of non-stick pans by Gotham from Costco a
> couple of weeks ago. Beautiful looking pans. The non-stick is
> thrillling, plus non-stick exterior and non scratch. Super-duper for
> eggs of any kind. Be careful you could easily make them zip right out
> of the pan. It was $29 for a 10 inch and a 12 inch. Nicely weighted
> pan, not heavy.
> However. It is almost impossible to get anything to brown or crisp in
> those pans. It's also difficult to turn stuff over. Pieces of food
> just keep slipping away from attempts to flip anything.
> My husband is happy because he doesn't have to spend a lot of time
> trying to get gummy brown stuff off the bottoms of the pans. My old
> non-stick are 20 years old and have become terrible at holding onto
> meat proteins. I will probably have to go back to my cast iron for
> anythng that needs browning.
> I don't know if this problem applies to all of the new non-stick
> surfaces,
> My husband said he had heard about this issue on the TV.
> Janet US

I have an original Teflon pan from the 60's. You can tell it's
quite different. It has 45 degree slopes to the 1" sides and I
usually flip stuff in the pan with a shake-wrist-flip. Trying to do
it with this pan is hillarous. There's nothing left in the pan
1/3rd of the way through the flip. It's all over the stove. And if
I stir some, say, ground, it all exits the pan too. I just
recently started using it again and it's fun. To a point

On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 04:22:16 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Fri, 05 Mar 2021 19:05:00 -0700, US Janet wrote:
>
>> I bought a 2-piece set of non-stick pans by Gotham from Costco a
>> couple of weeks ago. Beautiful looking pans. The non-stick is
>> thrillling, plus non-stick exterior and non scratch. Super-duper for
>> eggs of any kind. Be careful you could easily make them zip right out
>> of the pan. It was $29 for a 10 inch and a 12 inch. Nicely weighted
>> pan, not heavy.
>> However. It is almost impossible to get anything to brown or crisp in
>> those pans. It's also difficult to turn stuff over. Pieces of food
>> just keep slipping away from attempts to flip anything.
>> My husband is happy because he doesn't have to spend a lot of time
>> trying to get gummy brown stuff off the bottoms of the pans. My old
>> non-stick are 20 years old and have become terrible at holding onto
>> meat proteins. I will probably have to go back to my cast iron for
>> anythng that needs browning.
>> I don't know if this problem applies to all of the new non-stick
>> surfaces,
>> My husband said he had heard about this issue on the TV.
>> Janet US
>
>I have an original Teflon pan from the 60's. You can tell it's
>quite different. It has 45 degree slopes to the 1" sides and I
>usually flip stuff in the pan with a shake-wrist-flip. Trying to do
>it with this pan is hillarous. There's nothing left in the pan
>1/3rd of the way through the flip. It's all over the stove. And if
>I stir some, say, ground, it all exits the pan too. I just
>recently started using it again and it's fun. To a point

So you have experienced the kind of pan I am talking about?
Janet US

On Sat, 06 Mar 2021 08:46:31 -0700, US Janet wrote:

> On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 04:22:16 -0600, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 05 Mar 2021 19:05:00 -0700, US Janet wrote:
>>
>>> I bought a 2-piece set of non-stick pans by Gotham from Costco a
>>> couple of weeks ago. Beautiful looking pans. The non-stick is
>>> thrillling, plus non-stick exterior and non scratch. Super-duper for
>>> eggs of any kind. Be careful you could easily make them zip right out
>>> of the pan. It was $29 for a 10 inch and a 12 inch. Nicely weighted
>>> pan, not heavy.
>>> However. It is almost impossible to get anything to brown or crisp in
>>> those pans. It's also difficult to turn stuff over. Pieces of food
>>> just keep slipping away from attempts to flip anything.
>>> My husband is happy because he doesn't have to spend a lot of time
>>> trying to get gummy brown stuff off the bottoms of the pans. My old
>>> non-stick are 20 years old and have become terrible at holding onto
>>> meat proteins. I will probably have to go back to my cast iron for
>>> anythng that needs browning.
>>> I don't know if this problem applies to all of the new non-stick
>>> surfaces,
>>> My husband said he had heard about this issue on the TV.
>>> Janet US
>>
>>I have an original Teflon pan from the 60's. You can tell it's
>>quite different. It has 45 degree slopes to the 1" sides and I
>>usually flip stuff in the pan with a shake-wrist-flip. Trying to do
>>it with this pan is hillarous. There's nothing left in the pan
>>1/3rd of the way through the flip. It's all over the stove. And if
>>I stir some, say, ground, it all exits the pan too. I just
>>recently started using it again and it's fun. To a point
>
> So you have experienced the kind of pan I am talking about?
> Janet US

Yes. There is such a thing as "too non-stick".

-sw

On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 15:35:49 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Sat, 06 Mar 2021 08:46:31 -0700, US Janet wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 04:22:16 -0600, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 05 Mar 2021 19:05:00 -0700, US Janet wrote:
>>>
>>>> I bought a 2-piece set of non-stick pans by Gotham from Costco a
>>>> couple of weeks ago. Beautiful looking pans. The non-stick is
>>>> thrillling, plus non-stick exterior and non scratch. Super-duper for
>>>> eggs of any kind. Be careful you could easily make them zip right out
>>>> of the pan. It was $29 for a 10 inch and a 12 inch. Nicely weighted
>>>> pan, not heavy.
>>>> However. It is almost impossible to get anything to brown or crisp in
>>>> those pans. It's also difficult to turn stuff over. Pieces of food
>>>> just keep slipping away from attempts to flip anything.
>>>> My husband is happy because he doesn't have to spend a lot of time
>>>> trying to get gummy brown stuff off the bottoms of the pans. My old
>>>> non-stick are 20 years old and have become terrible at holding onto
>>>> meat proteins. I will probably have to go back to my cast iron for
>>>> anythng that needs browning.
>>>> I don't know if this problem applies to all of the new non-stick
>>>> surfaces,
>>>> My husband said he had heard about this issue on the TV.
>>>> Janet US
>>>
>>>I have an original Teflon pan from the 60's. You can tell it's
>>>quite different. It has 45 degree slopes to the 1" sides and I
>>>usually flip stuff in the pan with a shake-wrist-flip. Trying to do
>>>it with this pan is hillarous. There's nothing left in the pan
>>>1/3rd of the way through the flip. It's all over the stove. And if
>>>I stir some, say, ground, it all exits the pan too. I just
>>>recently started using it again and it's fun. To a point
>>
>> So you have experienced the kind of pan I am talking about?
>> Janet US
>
>Yes. There is such a thing as "too non-stick".
>
>-sw
I'm glad you understood what I am getting at.

Janet US

On 3/6/2021 9:46 AM, US Janet wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 04:22:16 -0600, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 05 Mar 2021 19:05:00 -0700, US Janet wrote:
>>
>>> I bought a 2-piece set of non-stick pans by Gotham from Costco a
>>> couple of weeks ago. Beautiful looking pans. The non-stick is
>>> thrillling, plus non-stick exterior and non scratch. Super-duper for
>>> eggs of any kind. Be careful you could easily make them zip right out
>>> of the pan. It was $29 for a 10 inch and a 12 inch. Nicely weighted
>>> pan, not heavy.
>>> However. It is almost impossible to get anything to brown or crisp in
>>> those pans. It's also difficult to turn stuff over. Pieces of food
>>> just keep slipping away from attempts to flip anything.
>>> My husband is happy because he doesn't have to spend a lot of time
>>> trying to get gummy brown stuff off the bottoms of the pans. My old
>>> non-stick are 20 years old and have become terrible at holding onto
>>> meat proteins. I will probably have to go back to my cast iron for
>>> anythng that needs browning.
>>> I don't know if this problem applies to all of the new non-stick
>>> surfaces,
>>> My husband said he had heard about this issue on the TV.
>>> Janet US
>>
>> I have an original Teflon pan from the 60's. You can tell it's
>> quite different. It has 45 degree slopes to the 1" sides and I
>> usually flip stuff in the pan with a shake-wrist-flip. Trying to do
>> it with this pan is hillarous. There's nothing left in the pan
>> 1/3rd of the way through the flip. It's all over the stove. And if
>> I stir some, say, ground, it all exits the pan too. I just
>> recently started using it again and it's fun. To a point
>
> So you have experienced the kind of pan I am talking about?
> Janet US
>
I have some Gotham Steel stuff. It's OK if you don't overheat it.
It's better than the plastic handled Green Pan items. By far, my
favorite pans are two of these:
https://www.amazon.com/Copper-Chef-D.../dp/B07N984J2S

I'd never buy another non-stick. What I have will last until
retirement, when we're "Going Mobile." When we settle down again,
and I have to re-buy cookware, it will likely be stainless steel.


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On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 3:38:02 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> On 3/6/2021 9:46 AM, US Janet wrote:
> > On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 04:22:16 -0600, Sqwertz >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 05 Mar 2021 19:05:00 -0700, US Janet wrote:
> >>
> >>> I bought a 2-piece set of non-stick pans by Gotham from Costco a
> >>> couple of weeks ago. Beautiful looking pans. The non-stick is
> >>> thrillling, plus non-stick exterior and non scratch. Super-duper for
> >>> eggs of any kind. Be careful you could easily make them zip right out
> >>> of the pan. It was $29 for a 10 inch and a 12 inch. Nicely weighted
> >>> pan, not heavy.
> >>> However. It is almost impossible to get anything to brown or crisp in
> >>> those pans. It's also difficult to turn stuff over. Pieces of food
> >>> just keep slipping away from attempts to flip anything.
> >>> My husband is happy because he doesn't have to spend a lot of time
> >>> trying to get gummy brown stuff off the bottoms of the pans. My old
> >>> non-stick are 20 years old and have become terrible at holding onto
> >>> meat proteins. I will probably have to go back to my cast iron for
> >>> anythng that needs browning.
> >>> I don't know if this problem applies to all of the new non-stick
> >>> surfaces,
> >>> My husband said he had heard about this issue on the TV.
> >>> Janet US
> >>
> >> I have an original Teflon pan from the 60's. You can tell it's
> >> quite different. It has 45 degree slopes to the 1" sides and I
> >> usually flip stuff in the pan with a shake-wrist-flip. Trying to do
> >> it with this pan is hillarous. There's nothing left in the pan
> >> 1/3rd of the way through the flip. It's all over the stove. And if
> >> I stir some, say, ground, it all exits the pan too. I just
> >> recently started using it again and it's fun. To a point
> >
> > So you have experienced the kind of pan I am talking about?
> > Janet US
> >
> I have some Gotham Steel stuff. It's OK if you don't overheat it.
> It's better than the plastic handled Green Pan items. By far, my
> favorite pans are two of these:
> https://www.amazon.com/Copper-Chef-D.../dp/B07N984J2S
>
> I'd never buy another non-stick. What I have will last until
> retirement, when we're "Going Mobile." When we settle down again,
> and I have to re-buy cookware, it will likely be stainless steel.
>
>
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> --Bryan
> For your safety and protection, this sig. has been thoroughly
> tested on laboratory animals.

That sounds pretty optimistic. Unfortunately, the ceramic pans don't seem to be very durable. Mostly, they seem to be very good at not killing any birds that might be in your house. Good luck in going mobile. My you roam far and wide and free.

On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 3:32:46 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 3:38:02 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> > On 3/6/2021 9:46 AM, US Janet wrote:
> > > On Sat, 6 Mar 2021 04:22:16 -0600, Sqwertz >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Fri, 05 Mar 2021 19:05:00 -0700, US Janet wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I bought a 2-piece set of non-stick pans by Gotham from Costco a
> > >>> couple of weeks ago. Beautiful looking pans. The non-stick is
> > >>> thrillling, plus non-stick exterior and non scratch. Super-duper for
> > >>> eggs of any kind. Be careful you could easily make them zip right out
> > >>> of the pan. It was $29 for a 10 inch and a 12 inch. Nicely weighted
> > >>> pan, not heavy.
> > >>> However. It is almost impossible to get anything to brown or crisp in
> > >>> those pans. It's also difficult to turn stuff over. Pieces of food
> > >>> just keep slipping away from attempts to flip anything.
> > >>> My husband is happy because he doesn't have to spend a lot of time
> > >>> trying to get gummy brown stuff off the bottoms of the pans. My old
> > >>> non-stick are 20 years old and have become terrible at holding onto
> > >>> meat proteins. I will probably have to go back to my cast iron for
> > >>> anythng that needs browning.
> > >>> I don't know if this problem applies to all of the new non-stick
> > >>> surfaces,
> > >>> My husband said he had heard about this issue on the TV.
> > >>> Janet US
> > >>
> > >> I have an original Teflon pan from the 60's. You can tell it's
> > >> quite different. It has 45 degree slopes to the 1" sides and I
> > >> usually flip stuff in the pan with a shake-wrist-flip. Trying to do
> > >> it with this pan is hillarous. There's nothing left in the pan
> > >> 1/3rd of the way through the flip. It's all over the stove. And if
> > >> I stir some, say, ground, it all exits the pan too. I just
> > >> recently started using it again and it's fun. To a point
> > >
> > > So you have experienced the kind of pan I am talking about?
> > > Janet US
> > >
> > I have some Gotham Steel stuff. It's OK if you don't overheat it.
> > It's better than the plastic handled Green Pan items. By far, my
> > favorite pans are two of these:
> > https://www.amazon.com/Copper-Chef-D.../dp/B07N984J2S
> >
> > I'd never buy another non-stick. What I have will last until
> > retirement, when we're "Going Mobile." When we settle down again,
> > and I have to re-buy cookware, it will likely be stainless steel.
> >
> >
> > --
> > --Bryan
> > For your safety and protection, this sig. has been thoroughly
> > tested on laboratory animals.
> That sounds pretty optimistic. Unfortunately, the ceramic pans don't seem to be very
> durable.
>
That square Copper Chef one is performing pretty well. Something can be durable
even if it's fragile. Plus, I have unused ones. I went on this thing to buy things when
they were deeply discounted, up to enough years supply to last until retirement. If I
overshoot, the rest goes to my son. When they had these
https://www.amazon.com/Power-Multi-P.../dp/B07GPSDYXD
70% off a couple of years ago, I bought two, anticipating giving it to my son when
he got his own place. He's moving out Thursday
>
> Mostly, they seem to be very good at not killing any birds that might be in
> your house. Good luck in going mobile. My you roam far and wide and free.

200 Motels. Camping in State and National Parks in a tent, and in some
areas w/o facilities that don't cost to tent camp. Some AirBnBs. An
occasional fancy hotel when we get a super deal--like Hotwire Hot Deals.
We're eventually buying my son's hybrid Sonata for our touring car. The
rental income from our two paid off houses would more than pay for the
types of lodging we'd want to stay in anyway.

The only luck involved in "going mobile" is our health, and that's not really
different than if we lived in one place. When we do settle down, Jill's neck
of the woods is pretty appealing, specifically Savannah, Georgia, though I
could see living most of the year in Ponce, PR, and the bad part of hurricane
season elsewhere, maybe San José, Costa Rica, two cities that have
excellent health care facilities.

--Bryan