Sqwertz wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 23:48:33 -0000 (UTC), Mike Duffy wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 10:44:34 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>> Along with my Top 10% ON-Topicness, is my Top 10%
>>> Who Doesn't Blab Anything About Their Personal Life.
>>
>> Fair Enough. I am really more interested in the story
>> I missed about you getting banned from ES.
>
> Banned from ES? I might have been. I was always talking shit to Ray
> Banana, especially about his allowing forgers and trolls in RFC.
>
> I remember what it was now and I was in the right (I worked for
> Microsoft at the time). I don't give a shit why you even brought
> this or what you heard up after probably 12-14 years. That just
> makes you the troll and instigator.
>
> <yawn>
>
> -sw
>

Yoose sound sleepy. Why not take a nap and come back later?

On 2020-09-17 7:16 p.m., Hank Rogers wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 23:48:33 -0000 (UTC), Mike Duffy wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 10:44:34 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>
>>>> Along with my Top 10% ON-Topicness, is my Top 10%
>>>> Who Doesn't Blab Anything About Their Personal Life.
>>>
>>> Fair Enough. I am really more interested in the story
>>> I missed about you getting banned from ES.
>>
>> Banned from ES?Â* I might have been. I was always talking shit to Ray
>> Banana, especially about his allowing forgers and trolls in RFC.
>>
>> I remember what it was now and I was in the right (I worked for
>> Microsoft at the time). I don't give a shit why you even brought
>> this or what you heard up after probably 12-14 years.Â* That just
>> makes you the troll and instigator.
>>
>> <yawn>
>>
>> -sw
>>
>
> Yoose sound sleepy. Why not take a nap and come back later?
>
>
what if he misses something of value that you might say

On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 20:04:50 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

> I remember what it was now and I was in the right

I am sure this is correct. Considering that I use ES,
I won't risk being too specific in my clarification.


> I don't give a shit why you even brought this
> or what you heard up after probably 12-14 years.

It was you actually who mentioned it in passing
at some point during the past few years
when I made a lame accusation towards you about
'accusing me of using UUCP protocol'.

I thought that was transparently silly enough
not to be taken seriously.


> That just makes you the troll and instigator.

Well, technically. In any case, I am not trying
to pick a fight, at least not with you.


Obfood: Yesterday, I cooked a duck in my BBQ.

I used a rack plus a disposable drip pan.
I had the idea to just do it 'from frozen',
but when I soaked it in warm water just to
remove the plastic wrap I noticed a large
patch of missing skin. So I changed the water
again to free up some of the extra throat skin,
patched the side, then wrapped the duck in string
until it looked like the Michelin Man caught
in a cat's cradle.

Then, burners Left + Central 'low' for 6 hours,
flipping every half hour or so.

I also put diced potatoes & diced onions & butter
into an aluminum 6*3*4 " and stirred each duck flip.
This was moved far enough towards the right
(said burner is inoperable) so the potato dices
never stuck and after 6 hours turned to an almost
caramel colour.

My wife says they were the best potatoes I ever cooked.

For basting sauce I mixed:

250 ml 'PC Seville Orange' marmalade
250 ml 'BeeMaid' unpasteurized honey
10 ml ginger (refrigerated paste)
5 ml garlic (refrigerated paste)
15 ml Chinese Spice Mix

Actually, I did not use a mixture for the last item,
but just went through my spice rack shaking at will.

The big problem with the whole affair is that none of
my sauce ended up inside the duck, and although the
skin was crispy and full of flavour, most of my sauce
ended up filling the drip pan with what looks like
black sponge toffee.


Next time I'll stuff it & put some sauce inside.

I'm thinking pumpernickel / egg / date /
bell pepper / onion / mushroom / parsnips

Suggestions ?

On 9/17/2020 8:03 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 20:04:50 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> I remember what it was now and I was in the right
>
> I am sure this is correct. Considering that I use ES,
> I won't risk being too specific in my clarification.
>
>
>> I don't give a shit why you even brought this
>> or what you heard up after probably 12-14 years.
>
> It was you actually who mentioned it in passing
> at some point during the past few years
> when I made a lame accusation towards you about
> 'accusing me of using UUCP protocol'.
>
> I thought that was transparently silly enough
> not to be taken seriously.
>
>
>> That just makes you the troll and instigator.
>
> Well, technically. In any case, I am not trying
> to pick a fight, at least not with you.
>
>
> Obfood: Yesterday, I cooked a duck in my BBQ.
>
> I used a rack plus a disposable drip pan.
> I had the idea to just do it 'from frozen',
> but when I soaked it in warm water just to
> remove the plastic wrap I noticed a large
> patch of missing skin. So I changed the water
> again to free up some of the extra throat skin,
> patched the side, then wrapped the duck in string
> until it looked like the Michelin Man caught
> in a cat's cradle.
>
> Then, burners Left + Central 'low' for 6 hours,
> flipping every half hour or so.
>
> I also put diced potatoes & diced onions & butter
> into an aluminum 6*3*4 " and stirred each duck flip.
> This was moved far enough towards the right
> (said burner is inoperable) so the potato dices
> never stuck and after 6 hours turned to an almost
> caramel colour.
>
> My wife says they were the best potatoes I ever cooked.
>
> For basting sauce I mixed:
>
> 250 ml 'PC Seville Orange' marmalade
> 250 ml 'BeeMaid' unpasteurized honey
> 10 ml ginger (refrigerated paste)
> 5 ml garlic (refrigerated paste)
> 15 ml Chinese Spice Mix
>
> Actually, I did not use a mixture for the last item,
> but just went through my spice rack shaking at will.
>
> The big problem with the whole affair is that none of
> my sauce ended up inside the duck, and although the
> skin was crispy and full of flavour, most of my sauce
> ended up filling the drip pan with what looks like
> black sponge toffee.
>
>
> Next time I'll stuff it & put some sauce inside.
>
> I'm thinking pumpernickel / egg / date /
> bell pepper / onion / mushroom / parsnips
>
> Suggestions ?
>


Duffy Duck?

On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 20:09:34 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote:

> Duffy Duck?

Yeah, I'll use that if my recipe becomes an Internet sensation.

No, I'm speaking about the stuffing. I feel good about everything except
the dates.

Pineapple / dried apricot / raisins etc. seem like they would be okay
in terms of holding shape when stewed in the stuffing, but might be too
'floral' and interfere with the citrus flavour.

Oh, and nuts. Maybe I'll fry some pecans or pistachios.

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 03:03:35 -0000 (UTC), Mike Duffy wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 20:04:50 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> I remember what it was now and I was in the right
>
> I am sure this is correct. Considering that I use ES,
> I won't risk being too specific in my clarification.

I remember exactly what it was. He accused me of impersonating a
company's support department who I worked for at the time. But I
was totally harassing him long before that. I irk people.

>
>> I don't give a shit why you even brought this
>> or what you heard up after probably 12-14 years.
>
> It was you actually who mentioned it in passing
> at some point during the past few years
> when I made a lame accusation towards you about
> 'accusing me of using UUCP protocol'.

I'm not sure I follow that, but if I accused you of using UUCP than
that was a compliment. I am the World's foremost living expert on
several Unix built-in and third-party packages, and UUCP is one of
them.

> Obfood: Yesterday, I cooked a duck in my BBQ.

Smoked duck is the bomb. I haven't cooked one recently because
they've gotten so lean and expensive. But here's a few random ones
of mine.

https://i.postimg.cc/Jn2HpFDy/Duck-Smoked.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/Gpzyytbx/Duck-Smoked-3.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/B661c369/Duck-Smoked-Whole.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/RZ7fvG88/Duck-Smoked-2.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/GpbDtGnp/Smoked-Duck.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/WzqFC7g5/Smoked-duck.jpg

-sw

On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 23:26:29 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 03:03:35 -0000 (UTC), Mike Duffy wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 20:04:50 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>> I remember what it was now and I was in the right
>>
>> I am sure this is correct. Considering that I use ES,
>> I won't risk being too specific in my clarification.
>
> I remember exactly what it was. He accused me of impersonating a
> company's support department who I worked for at the time. But I
> was totally harassing him long before that. I irk people.
>
>>
>>> I don't give a shit why you even brought this
>>> or what you heard up after probably 12-14 years.
>>
>> It was you actually who mentioned it in passing
>> at some point during the past few years
>> when I made a lame accusation towards you about
>> 'accusing me of using UUCP protocol'.
>
> I'm not sure I follow that, but if I accused you of using UUCP than
> that was a compliment. I am the World's foremost living expert on
> several Unix built-in and third-party packages, and UUCP is one of
> them.
>
>> Obfood: Yesterday, I cooked a duck in my BBQ.
>
> Smoked duck is the bomb. I haven't cooked one recently because
> they've gotten so lean and expensive. But here's a few random ones
> of mine.
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/Jn2HpFDy/Duck-Smoked.jpg
> https://i.postimg.cc/Gpzyytbx/Duck-Smoked-3.jpg
> https://i.postimg.cc/B661c369/Duck-Smoked-Whole.jpg
> https://i.postimg.cc/RZ7fvG88/Duck-Smoked-2.jpg
> https://i.postimg.cc/GpbDtGnp/Smoked-Duck.jpg
> https://i.postimg.cc/WzqFC7g5/Smoked-duck.jpg

Sorry I snipped that short. The Crystal Palace is kicking in and I
wanted to sign off.

-sw

On 9/17/2020 8:52 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 20:09:34 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>
>> Duffy Duck?
>
> Yeah, I'll use that if my recipe becomes an Internet sensation.
>
> No, I'm speaking about the stuffing. I feel good about everything except
> the dates.
>
> Pineapple / dried apricot / raisins etc. seem like they would be okay
> in terms of holding shape when stewed in the stuffing, but might be too
> 'floral' and interfere with the citrus flavour.
>
> Oh, and nuts. Maybe I'll fry some pecans or pistachios.
>


Pistachios would be the better choice.

Apricots would be a good choice

Celery.

I would leave out the bread. Consider rice, even wild rice.


I would leave out the egg and bell pepper.

A bit of sausage?

On Thursday, September 17, 2020 at 10:44:42 AM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 14:54:36 -0000 (UTC), Mike Duffy wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 23:53:49 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
> >
> >> Yeah, in your past you shared a lot of things about your personal life,
> >> dangling that carrot in front of the group sharing just enough to make a
> >> little drama here (dozens of times).
> >
> > ISTR another regular poster here who dangled a carrot here few months
> > back. (His ex getting out of jail soon for murdering his lover.)
> Mistress.
>
> When I'm on par with Julie's ramblings about her life, then you can
> start to criticize me. Along with my Top 10% ON-Topicness, is my
> Top 10% Who Doesn't Blab Anything About Their Personal Life.
>
> OK, here's something regarding my personal life:
>
> My Samsung French door fridge's ice maker tray broke. It's the kind
> that twists to release the ice and the plastic cracked at the stress
> point near the gear housing. Anybody know how to fix that? JB Weld
> and Superglue didn't work. I think I need to melt plastic it or
> something.
>
> Woe is me!

It might be unrepairable even with melting. Melting works well for #2 plastic, where glue is almost worthless, but I doubt your fridge parts are made of that.
>
> -sw

--Bryan

"Show us on the doll where the man nurse licked you."
"Quit talking to me like I'm a child. I'm almost 15. And put away that stupid doll!"

On Thursday, September 17, 2020 at 1:48:53 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 12:41:45 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 10:14:49 -0600, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 10:44:34 -0500, Sqwertz >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 14:54:36 -0000 (UTC), Mike Duffy wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 23:53:49 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Yeah, in your past you shared a lot of things about your personal life,
> >>>>> dangling that carrot in front of the group sharing just enough to make a
> >>>>> little drama here (dozens of times).
> >>>>
> >>>> ISTR another regular poster here who dangled a carrot here few months
> >>>> back. (His ex getting out of jail soon for murdering his lover.)
> >>>
> >>>Mistress.
> >>>
> >>>When I'm on par with Julie's ramblings about her life, then you can
> >>>start to criticize me. Along with my Top 10% ON-Topicness, is my
> >>>Top 10% Who Doesn't Blab Anything About Their Personal Life.
> >>>
> >>>OK, here's something regarding my personal life:
> >>>
> >>>My Samsung French door fridge's ice maker tray broke. It's the kind
> >>>that twists to release the ice and the plastic cracked at the stress
> >>>point near the gear housing. Anybody know how to fix that? JB Weld
> >>>and Superglue didn't work. I think I need to melt plastic it or
> >>>something.
> >>>
> >>>Woe is me!
> >>>
> >> What about that Gorilla guy? Don't they claim to have something that
> >> works on most everything. It will probably be cheaper for you to bite
> >> the bullet and just order a replacement tray. By the time you have
> >> worked your way through all the cement and glue trying to find the
> >> magic one to seal your tray you will have spent more $. BTDT
> >> Janet US
> >
> >Replacement is $100. So that would buy a lot of glue :-)
> >
> >The problem with glue is that it needs to hold up to constant
> >freezing temps and it needs to hold a significant load when it
> >twists.
> >
> >I've found that JB Weld doesn't work worth a shit on anything I've
> >tried except for my petrified duck :-) The body is a septarian
> >concretion that's 40 million years old (give or take a few million).
> >
> >https://i.postimg.cc/QMXzMZK2/Concretion-Duck-4.jpg
> >https://i.postimg.cc/y8C5wZ1Y/Petrified-Duck.jpg
> >
> >-sw
> JB Weld is the first thing my husband reaches for and is a failure for
> everything household. It is meant for equipment, etc. no matter what
> JB says. $100 is a lot of bucks. I was thinking maybe $35 but it's
> been awhile since I've been to the appliance repair store. All I can
> say is that if you go to a well equipped store and look over all the
> adhesives and read the label, you will find disclaimers against
> certain types of 'plastics'. You've got to find the one that matches
> your tray. Does your fridge manufacturer have an adhesive available
> through a web site?

There are some plastics that nothing really adheres to, even epoxy.

> Janet US (BTDT)

--Bryan

"Show us on the doll where the man nurse licked you."
"Quit talking to me like I'm a child. I'm almost 15. And put away that stupid doll!"

On Thursday, September 17, 2020 at 2:54:50 PM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 12:48:41 -0600, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 12:41:45 -0500, Sqwertz >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 10:14:49 -0600, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 10:44:34 -0500, Sqwertz >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 14:54:36 -0000 (UTC), Mike Duffy wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 23:53:49 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Yeah, in your past you shared a lot of things about your personal life,
> >>>>>> dangling that carrot in front of the group sharing just enough to make a
> >>>>>> little drama here (dozens of times).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ISTR another regular poster here who dangled a carrot here few months
> >>>>> back. (His ex getting out of jail soon for murdering his lover.)
> >>>>
> >>>>Mistress.
> >>>>
> >>>>When I'm on par with Julie's ramblings about her life, then you can
> >>>>start to criticize me. Along with my Top 10% ON-Topicness, is my
> >>>>Top 10% Who Doesn't Blab Anything About Their Personal Life.
> >>>>
> >>>>OK, here's something regarding my personal life:
> >>>>
> >>>>My Samsung French door fridge's ice maker tray broke. It's the kind
> >>>>that twists to release the ice and the plastic cracked at the stress
> >>>>point near the gear housing. Anybody know how to fix that? JB Weld
> >>>>and Superglue didn't work. I think I need to melt plastic it or
> >>>>something.
> >>>>
> >>>>Woe is me!
> >>>>
> >>> What about that Gorilla guy? Don't they claim to have something that
> >>> works on most everything. It will probably be cheaper for you to bite
> >>> the bullet and just order a replacement tray. By the time you have
> >>> worked your way through all the cement and glue trying to find the
> >>> magic one to seal your tray you will have spent more $. BTDT
> >>> Janet US
> >>
> >>Replacement is $100. So that would buy a lot of glue :-)
> >>
> >>The problem with glue is that it needs to hold up to constant
> >>freezing temps and it needs to hold a significant load when it
> >>twists.
> >>
> >>I've found that JB Weld doesn't work worth a shit on anything I've
> >>tried except for my petrified duck :-) The body is a septarian
> >>concretion that's 40 million years old (give or take a few million).
> >>
> >>https://i.postimg.cc/QMXzMZK2/Concretion-Duck-4.jpg
> >>https://i.postimg.cc/y8C5wZ1Y/Petrified-Duck.jpg
> >>
> >>-sw
> >
> > JB Weld is the first thing my husband reaches for and is a failure for
> > everything household. It is meant for equipment, etc. no matter what
> > JB says. $100 is a lot of bucks. I was thinking maybe $35 but it's
> > been awhile since I've been to the appliance repair store. All I can
> > say is that if you go to a well equipped store and look over all the
> > adhesives and read the label, you will find disclaimers against
> > certain types of 'plastics'. You've got to find the one that matches
> > your tray. Does your fridge manufacturer have an adhesive available
> > through a web site?
> > Janet US (BTDT)
> You have to buy the whole assembly. Tray not sold separately.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-DA97-...2&s=hi&sr=1-3&
>
> They're not gonna a sell separate glue - not their style. They want
> top milk you for whole assembly.
>
> Unlike the oven igniter I had to buy last month - that was $160 from
> Samsung, but $15 aftermarket-Amazon. There are no afetrmarket ice
> makers or trays. It's "genuine Samsung" or nothing.
>
My broiler igniter needs to be replaced. They make cheap aftermarket igniters for the oven, but not the broiler.
https://www.amazon.com/Whirlpool-805.../dp/B0053F8LHQ

>
> -sw

--Bryan

"Show us on the doll where the man nurse licked you."
"Quit talking to me like I'm a child. I'm almost 15. And put away that stupid doll!"

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 14:49:18 -0600, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
> > Ahh, buy the whole unit thing. Do you also have to have a special
> > tool to install the tray? There is nothing polite I can say here, so
> > just, good luck
> > Janet US
>
> I already ripped out the whole ice maker and took it apart. I found
> a small problem and then put it back in and noticed the crack. Then
> took it back out again and tired to glue it (twice).
>
> It turns out I can buy an ice tray from Amazon for $7. But as soon
> as I do that something else on the ice-maker will fail. The sensor
> arm is already busted and duck-taped since month #3 of ownership.
> And these trays only have a lifespan is 3-4 years. It's a
> well-known design flaw, along with the sensor arm (it breaks when
> you open the drawer while it sensing).

Use ice cube trays. Whenever one of mine cracks, I still have
2 working ones. Cheap to replace too - 3/$1.00 at the
dollar store.

Next time buy a basic fridge without all the fancy crap that
breaks. Will give you more freezer space too.

On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 5:55:33 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 14:49:18 -0600, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> >
> > > Ahh, buy the whole unit thing. Do you also have to have a special
> > > tool to install the tray? There is nothing polite I can say here, so
> > > just, good luck
> > > Janet US
> >
> > I already ripped out the whole ice maker and took it apart. I found
> > a small problem and then put it back in and noticed the crack. Then
> > took it back out again and tired to glue it (twice).
> >
> > It turns out I can buy an ice tray from Amazon for $7. But as soon
> > as I do that something else on the ice-maker will fail. The sensor
> > arm is already busted and duck-taped since month #3 of ownership.
> > And these trays only have a lifespan is 3-4 years. It's a
> > well-known design flaw, along with the sensor arm (it breaks when
> > you open the drawer while it sensing).
> Use ice cube trays. Whenever one of mine cracks, I still have
> 2 working ones. Cheap to replace too - 3/$1.00 at the
> dollar store.
>
> Next time buy a basic fridge without all the fancy crap that
> breaks. Will give you more freezer space too.

I have one of these on my counter. 24/365 ice. You just have to refill it when it gets low.

--Bryan

"Show us on the doll where the man nurse licked you."
"Quit talking to me like I'm a child. I'm almost 15. And put away that stupid doll!"

On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 6:23:03 AM UTC-5, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> I have one of these on my counter. 24/365 ice. You just have to refill it when it gets low.

https://www.amazon.com/NewAir-AI-100.../dp/B0017Y8X3O

--Bryan
>
"Show us on the doll where the man nurse licked you."
"Quit talking to me like I'm a child. I'm almost 15. And put away that stupid doll!"

On 02:04 18 Sep 2020, Sqwertz said:

> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 23:48:33 -0000 (UTC), Mike Duffy wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 10:44:34 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>> Along with my Top 10% ON-Topicness, is my Top 10%
>>> Who Doesn't Blab Anything About Their Personal Life.
>>
>> Fair Enough. I am really more interested in the story
>> I missed about you getting banned from ES.
>
> Banned from ES? I might have been. I was always talking shit to Ray
> Banana, especially about his allowing forgers and trolls in RFC.

Ray runs a largely uncensored server and doesn't need advice from lippy kids
like you.

> I remember what it was now and I was in the right (I worked for
> Microsoft at the time).

What does working at Microsoft have to do with being right? That company has
made more goofs and created more enemies than most.

> I don't give a shit why you even brought this or what you heard up after
> probably 12-14 years. That just makes you the troll and instigator.

The truth hurts. I'm interested in what Mike has to say. I don't always agree
with him but he's usually reliable.

On 05:26 18 Sep 2020, Sqwertz said:
>>
>>
>> Obfood: Yesterday, I cooked a duck in my BBQ.
>
> Smoked duck is the bomb. I haven't cooked one recently because
> they've gotten so lean and expensive. But here's a few random ones
> of mine.
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/Jn2HpFDy/Duck-Smoked.jpg
> https://i.postimg.cc/Gpzyytbx/Duck-Smoked-3.jpg
> https://i.postimg.cc/B661c369/Duck-Smoked-Whole.jpg
> https://i.postimg.cc/RZ7fvG88/Duck-Smoked-2.jpg
> https://i.postimg.cc/GpbDtGnp/Smoked-Duck.jpg
> https://i.postimg.cc/WzqFC7g5/Smoked-duck.jpg
>
> -sw

Why are they so burnt? Next time keep an eye on them.

Gary wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
....
>> I already ripped out the whole ice maker and took it apart. I found
>> a small problem and then put it back in and noticed the crack. Then
>> took it back out again and tired to glue it (twice).
>>
>> It turns out I can buy an ice tray from Amazon for $7. But as soon
>> as I do that something else on the ice-maker will fail. The sensor
>> arm is already busted and duck-taped since month #3 of ownership.
>> And these trays only have a lifespan is 3-4 years. It's a
>> well-known design flaw, along with the sensor arm (it breaks when
>> you open the drawer while it sensing).
>
> Use ice cube trays. Whenever one of mine cracks, I still have
> 2 working ones. Cheap to replace too - 3/$1.00 at the
> dollar store.
>
> Next time buy a basic fridge without all the fancy crap that
> breaks. Will give you more freezer space too.

we don't use much ice for anything here so the first thing we
did with the new fridge was remove the ice-making crap. we've
heard (and seen) so many horror stories from people's ice-makers
causing problems and even damage to the house that we've never
considered even connecting a water line or the rest of the BS
involved.

the few times we need ice we either buy it at the store or
use ice-trays.


songbird

U.S Janet B wrote:
....
> Go to the web site for your butter substitute and see what they
> recommend for substitution vs. butter. I have never used a sub but I
> know it can be tricky. Margarine for butter can cause problems but I
> have heard that other subs can be worse.

you have to be aware that a lot of margarines have added
water and that can really gunk up a recipe (and to make it
even more interesting the amount of water can change through
the years).


songbird

On 2020-09-18 8:10 a.m., songbird wrote:
> Gary wrote:

>> Next time buy a basic fridge without all the fancy crap that
>> breaks. Will give you more freezer space too.
>
> we don't use much ice for anything here so the first thing we
> did with the new fridge was remove the ice-making crap. we've
> heard (and seen) so many horror stories from people's ice-makers
> causing problems and even damage to the house that we've never
> considered even connecting a water line or the rest of the BS
> involved.
>
> the few times we need ice we either buy it at the store or
> use ice-trays.
>
>

Same here. We don't use a heck of a lot of ice so I don't need to run
something that is prone to breaking down. I am sure that it might be
nice to hold a glass under the chute and have it fill with ice but it'd
no big deal to open the door and reach in for an ice cube tray.

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 06:55:55 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 14:49:18 -0600, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>
>> > Ahh, buy the whole unit thing. Do you also have to have a special
>> > tool to install the tray? There is nothing polite I can say here, so
>> > just, good luck
>> > Janet US
>>
>> I already ripped out the whole ice maker and took it apart. I found
>> a small problem and then put it back in and noticed the crack. Then
>> took it back out again and tired to glue it (twice).
>>
>> It turns out I can buy an ice tray from Amazon for $7. But as soon
>> as I do that something else on the ice-maker will fail. The sensor
>> arm is already busted and duck-taped since month #3 of ownership.
>> And these trays only have a lifespan is 3-4 years. It's a
>> well-known design flaw, along with the sensor arm (it breaks when
>> you open the drawer while it sensing).
>
>Use ice cube trays. Whenever one of mine cracks, I still have
>2 working ones. Cheap to replace too - 3/$1.00 at the
>dollar store.
>
>Next time buy a basic fridge without all the fancy crap that
>breaks. Will give you more freezer space too.

I had to pay extra to get a fridge without the auto ice tray. Huh?
Janet US

On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 12:45:51 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
> I had to pay extra to get a fridge without the auto ice tray. Huh?
> Janet US
>
I've read more than once that the automatic ice maker on a refrigerator is the most
prone and most frequent part to need repair. I'm not even going to talk about the
expense of those water filters that need regular changes.

My 25-year-old Whirlpool came with an ice maker and it was never hooked up. Last
year when it finally gave me a problem was the first time ever the refrigerator required
a repair. I had the repair guy remove that space-hogging ice maker and it freed up much
appreciated extra space.

On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 2:23:47 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 12:45:51 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> >
> > I had to pay extra to get a fridge without the auto ice tray. Huh?
> > Janet US
> >
> I've read more than once that the automatic ice maker on a refrigerator is the most
> prone and most frequent part to need repair. I'm not even going to talk about the
> expense of those water filters that need regular changes.

My fridge is at least 10 years old. Yes, the ice maker needed repair once. My
husband ordered and replaced whatever it was.

An annual $20 water filter doesn't seem so bad.

> My 25-year-old Whirlpool came with an ice maker and it was never hooked up. Last
> year when it finally gave me a problem was the first time ever the refrigerator required
> a repair. I had the repair guy remove that space-hogging ice maker and it freed up much
> appreciated extra space.

Do you use much ice? We use more than our ice maker can make, so I buy one or
two 7-pound bags of ice every week to supplement it.

Cindy Hamilton

On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 2:24:23 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 2:23:47 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> >
> > I've read more than once that the automatic ice maker on a refrigerator is the most
> > prone and most frequent part to need repair. I'm not even going to talk about the
> > expense of those water filters that need regular changes.
>
> My fridge is at least 10 years old. Yes, the ice maker needed repair once. My
> husband ordered and replaced whatever it was.
>
That's great he was able to do the repair; it saved you hundreds of dollars I'd
be willing to bet. I'd have to call someone to do the repair as I did last year.
>
> An annual $20 water filter doesn't seem so bad.
>
You are lucky! The few people I know that have the replaceable filters always
gripe about the cost and it's at least every three months they are replacing them.
>
> > My 25-year-old Whirlpool came with an ice maker and it was never hooked up. Last
> > year when it finally gave me a problem was the first time ever the refrigerator required
> > a repair. I had the repair guy remove that space-hogging ice maker and it freed up much
> > appreciated extra space.
>
> Do you use much ice? We use more than our ice maker can make, so I buy one or
> two 7-pound bags of ice every week to supplement it.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
No, I don't. As a matter of fact, I have not once emptied nor filled my ice trays.

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 12:45:31 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 2:24:23 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 2:23:47 PM UTC-4, wrote:
>> >
>> > I've read more than once that the automatic ice maker on a refrigerator is the most
>> > prone and most frequent part to need repair. I'm not even going to talk about the
>> > expense of those water filters that need regular changes.
>>
>> My fridge is at least 10 years old. Yes, the ice maker needed repair once. My
>> husband ordered and replaced whatever it was.
>>
>That's great he was able to do the repair; it saved you hundreds of dollars I'd
>be willing to bet. I'd have to call someone to do the repair as I did last year.
>>
>> An annual $20 water filter doesn't seem so bad.
>>
>You are lucky! The few people I know that have the replaceable filters always
>gripe about the cost and it's at least every three months they are replacing them.
>>
>> > My 25-year-old Whirlpool came with an ice maker and it was never hooked up. Last
>> > year when it finally gave me a problem was the first time ever the refrigerator required
>> > a repair. I had the repair guy remove that space-hogging ice maker and it freed up much
>> > appreciated extra space.
>>
>> Do you use much ice? We use more than our ice maker can make, so I buy one or
>> two 7-pound bags of ice every week to supplement it.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>No, I don't. As a matter of fact, I have not once emptied nor filled my ice trays.

My icemaker caught on fire. Turned the inside of the freezer
compartment soot black. Insurance covered repair and full replacement
of contents. (Whirlpool)
Janet US

On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 3:21:53 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
> My icemaker caught on fire. Turned the inside of the freezer
> compartment soot black. Insurance covered repair and full replacement
> of contents. (Whirlpool)
> Janet US
>
Good grief!!!!!!!! It's a wonder it didn't catch the kitchen on fire!!!!!

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 14:49:18 -0600, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>
>> > Ahh, buy the whole unit thing. Do you also have to have a special
>> > tool to install the tray? There is nothing polite I can say here, so
>> > just, good luck
>> > Janet US
>>
>> I already ripped out the whole ice maker and took it apart. I found
>> a small problem and then put it back in and noticed the crack. Then
>> took it back out again and tired to glue it (twice).
>>
>> It turns out I can buy an ice tray from Amazon for $7. But as soon
>> as I do that something else on the ice-maker will fail. The sensor
>> arm is already busted and duck-taped since month #3 of ownership.
>> And these trays only have a lifespan is 3-4 years. It's a
>> well-known design flaw, along with the sensor arm (it breaks when
>> you open the drawer while it sensing).
>
> Use ice cube trays. Whenever one of mine cracks, I still have
> 2 working ones. Cheap to replace too - 3/$1.00 at the
> dollar store.
>
> Next time buy a basic fridge without all the fancy crap that
> breaks. Will give you more freezer space too.

I love my countertop ice maker.

On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 10:21:53 AM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 12:45:31 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
> >On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 2:24:23 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 2:23:47 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I've read more than once that the automatic ice maker on a refrigerator is the most
> >> > prone and most frequent part to need repair. I'm not even going to talk about the
> >> > expense of those water filters that need regular changes.
> >>
> >> My fridge is at least 10 years old. Yes, the ice maker needed repair once. My
> >> husband ordered and replaced whatever it was.
> >>
> >That's great he was able to do the repair; it saved you hundreds of dollars I'd
> >be willing to bet. I'd have to call someone to do the repair as I did last year.
> >>
> >> An annual $20 water filter doesn't seem so bad.
> >>
> >You are lucky! The few people I know that have the replaceable filters always
> >gripe about the cost and it's at least every three months they are replacing them.
> >>
> >> > My 25-year-old Whirlpool came with an ice maker and it was never hooked up. Last
> >> > year when it finally gave me a problem was the first time ever the refrigerator required
> >> > a repair. I had the repair guy remove that space-hogging ice maker and it freed up much
> >> > appreciated extra space.
> >>
> >> Do you use much ice? We use more than our ice maker can make, so I buy one or
> >> two 7-pound bags of ice every week to supplement it.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> >No, I don't. As a matter of fact, I have not once emptied nor filled my ice trays.
>
> My icemaker caught on fire. Turned the inside of the freezer
> compartment soot black. Insurance covered repair and full replacement
> of contents. (Whirlpool)
> Janet US

I'm sorry for your loss but that's pretty damn awesome! I took my ice maker off to check the freezer recently. When I put the freezer back together, I couldn't find one of the screws. Ha ha. That was an inconvenience.

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 06:55:55 -0400, Gary wrote:

> Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 14:49:18 -0600, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>
>>> Ahh, buy the whole unit thing. Do you also have to have a special
>>> tool to install the tray? There is nothing polite I can say here, so
>>> just, good luck
>>> Janet US
>>
>> I already ripped out the whole ice maker and took it apart. I found
>> a small problem and then put it back in and noticed the crack. Then
>> took it back out again and tired to glue it (twice).
>>
>> It turns out I can buy an ice tray from Amazon for $7. But as soon
>> as I do that something else on the ice-maker will fail. The sensor
>> arm is already busted and duck-taped since month #3 of ownership.
>> And these trays only have a lifespan is 3-4 years. It's a
>> well-known design flaw, along with the sensor arm (it breaks when
>> you open the drawer while it sensing).
>
> Use ice cube trays. Whenever one of mine cracks, I still have
> 2 working ones. Cheap to replace too - 3/$1.00 at the
> dollar store.

We civilized people have ice cube trays that fill and empty
themselves while we sleep, thank you. And I use a lot of ice.

Ice, Ice, Baby.

-sw

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 11:23:41 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 12:45:51 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>
>> I had to pay extra to get a fridge without the auto ice tray. Huh?
>> Janet US
>>
> I've read more than once that the automatic ice maker on a refrigerator is the most
> prone and most frequent part to need repair. I'm not even going to talk about the
> expense of those water filters that need regular changes.

I've taken out the water filter and installed a bypass mechanism.
The ice maker/water feed has given me problem for years - but I've
fixed it for almost-free every time.

I enjoy having automatic ice and if I have to spend $95 on the whole
shebang, I will - come Spring.

-sw

On 9/18/2020 2:56 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 11:23:41 -0700 (PDT),
> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 12:45:51 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>
>>> I had to pay extra to get a fridge without the auto ice tray. Huh?
>>> Janet US
>>>
>> I've read more than once that the automatic ice maker on a refrigerator is the most
>> prone and most frequent part to need repair. I'm not even going to talk about the
>> expense of those water filters that need regular changes.
>
> I've taken out the water filter and installed a bypass mechanism.
> The ice maker/water feed has given me problem for years - but I've
> fixed it for almost-free every time.
>
> I enjoy having automatic ice and if I have to spend $95 on the whole
> shebang, I will - come Spring.
>
> -sw
>


price will go up by then.

On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 4:56:58 PM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 11:23:41 -0700 (PDT),
> wrote:
> >
> > I've read more than once that the automatic ice maker on a refrigerator is the most
> > prone and most frequent part to need repair. I'm not even going to talk about the
> > expense of those water filters that need regular changes.
>
> I've taken out the water filter and installed a bypass mechanism.
> The ice maker/water feed has given me problem for years - but I've
> fixed it for almost-free every time.
>
> I enjoy having automatic ice and if I have to spend $95 on the whole
> shebang, I will - come Spring.
>
> -sw
>
Well, I'm not mechanically inclined like that so I'd be picking up the phone
and calling the repairman.

dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 10:21:53 AM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 12:45:31 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 2:24:23 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 2:23:47 PM UTC-4, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've read more than once that the automatic ice maker on a refrigerator is the most
>>>>> prone and most frequent part to need repair. I'm not even going to talk about the
>>>>> expense of those water filters that need regular changes.
>>>>
>>>> My fridge is at least 10 years old. Yes, the ice maker needed repair once. My
>>>> husband ordered and replaced whatever it was.
>>>>
>>> That's great he was able to do the repair; it saved you hundreds of dollars I'd
>>> be willing to bet. I'd have to call someone to do the repair as I did last year.
>>>>
>>>> An annual $20 water filter doesn't seem so bad.
>>>>
>>> You are lucky! The few people I know that have the replaceable filters always
>>> gripe about the cost and it's at least every three months they are replacing them.
>>>>
>>>>> My 25-year-old Whirlpool came with an ice maker and it was never hooked up. Last
>>>>> year when it finally gave me a problem was the first time ever the refrigerator required
>>>>> a repair. I had the repair guy remove that space-hogging ice maker and it freed up much
>>>>> appreciated extra space.
>>>>
>>>> Do you use much ice? We use more than our ice maker can make, so I buy one or
>>>> two 7-pound bags of ice every week to supplement it.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>> No, I don't. As a matter of fact, I have not once emptied nor filled my ice trays.
>>
>> My icemaker caught on fire. Turned the inside of the freezer
>> compartment soot black. Insurance covered repair and full replacement
>> of contents. (Whirlpool)
>> Janet US
>
> I'm sorry for your loss but that's pretty damn awesome! I took my ice maker off to check the freezer recently. When I put the freezer back together, I couldn't find one of the screws. Ha ha. That was an inconvenience.
>

I've heard that lots of asians on rocks have loose screws. Somehow,
they loose them. But they order more from china.

Then, they become smart asians.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 14:49:18 -0600, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>
>>> > Ahh, buy the whole unit thing.* Do* you also have to have a
>>> special
>>> > tool to install the tray?* There is nothing polite I can say
>>> here, so
>>> > just, good luck
>>> > Janet US
>>>
>>> I already ripped out the whole ice maker and took it apart.* I
>>> found
>>> a small problem and then put it back in and noticed the crack.
>>> Then
>>> took it back out again and tired to glue it (twice).
>>>
>>> It turns out I can buy an ice tray from Amazon for $7. But as soon
>>> as I do that something else on the ice-maker will fail. The sensor
>>> arm is already busted and duck-taped since month #3 of ownership.
>>> And these trays only have a lifespan is 3-4 years.* It's a
>>> well-known design flaw, along with the sensor arm (it breaks when
>>> you open the drawer while it sensing).
>>
>> Use ice cube trays. Whenever one of mine cracks, I still have
>> 2 working ones. Cheap to replace too - 3/$1.00 at the
>> dollar store.
>>
>> Next time buy a basic fridge without all the fancy crap that
>> breaks. Will give you more freezer space too.
>
> I love my countertop ice maker.

How the hell did yoose buy that in Bothell?

Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 06:55:55 -0400, Gary wrote:
>
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 14:49:18 -0600, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ahh, buy the whole unit thing. Do you also have to have a special
>>>> tool to install the tray? There is nothing polite I can say here, so
>>>> just, good luck
>>>> Janet US
>>>
>>> I already ripped out the whole ice maker and took it apart. I found
>>> a small problem and then put it back in and noticed the crack. Then
>>> took it back out again and tired to glue it (twice).
>>>
>>> It turns out I can buy an ice tray from Amazon for $7. But as soon
>>> as I do that something else on the ice-maker will fail. The sensor
>>> arm is already busted and duck-taped since month #3 of ownership.
>>> And these trays only have a lifespan is 3-4 years. It's a
>>> well-known design flaw, along with the sensor arm (it breaks when
>>> you open the drawer while it sensing).
>>
>> Use ice cube trays. Whenever one of mine cracks, I still have
>> 2 working ones. Cheap to replace too - 3/$1.00 at the
>> dollar store.
>
> We civilized people have ice cube trays that fill and empty
> themselves while we sleep, thank you. And I use a lot of ice.
>
> Ice, Ice, Baby.
>
> -sw
>

Yoose not keeping up baby. I smell decay decay decay.

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 15:05:31 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 4:56:58 PM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 11:23:41 -0700 (PDT),
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've read more than once that the automatic ice maker on a refrigerator is the most
>>> prone and most frequent part to need repair. I'm not even going to talk about the
>>> expense of those water filters that need regular changes.
>>
>> I've taken out the water filter and installed a bypass mechanism.
>> The ice maker/water feed has given me problem for years - but I've
>> fixed it for almost-free every time.
>>
>> I enjoy having automatic ice and if I have to spend $95 on the whole
>> shebang, I will - come Spring.
>>
> Well, I'm not mechanically inclined like that so I'd be picking up the phone
> and calling the repairman.

**** that. I learned how to fix my sticking front door from 32
years of gravity a couple months ago (by bending the top hinge).
Right after that somebody asked on Nextdoor.com for a handyman to
fix it for them and I offered and did it in 10 minutes for $5 (I'm
cheap). Since then I've fixed 28 front doors in my neighborhood of
900 homes for $5/pop + tips (about $300). I think that's fair
considering I book them a street at a time and do 10 a day all
within walking distance.

A professional repairman would charge you $125-$150 for that same
service.

-sw

Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 15:05:31 -0700 (PDT),
> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 4:56:58 PM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 11:23:41 -0700 (PDT),
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've read more than once that the automatic ice maker on a refrigerator is the most
>>>> prone and most frequent part to need repair. I'm not even going to talk about the
>>>> expense of those water filters that need regular changes.
>>>
>>> I've taken out the water filter and installed a bypass mechanism.
>>> The ice maker/water feed has given me problem for years - but I've
>>> fixed it for almost-free every time.
>>>
>>> I enjoy having automatic ice and if I have to spend $95 on the whole
>>> shebang, I will - come Spring.
>>>
>> Well, I'm not mechanically inclined like that so I'd be picking up the phone
>> and calling the repairman.
>
> **** that. I learned how to fix my sticking front door from 32
> years of gravity a couple months ago (by bending the top hinge).
> Right after that somebody asked on Nextdoor.com for a handyman to
> fix it for them and I offered and did it in 10 minutes for $5 (I'm
> cheap). Since then I've fixed 28 front doors in my neighborhood of
> 900 homes for $5/pop + tips (about $300). I think that's fair
> considering I book them a street at a time and do 10 a day all
> within walking distance.
>
> A professional repairman would charge you $125-$150 for that same
> service.
>
> -sw
>

Sounds like a wonderful profession. Next we know you'll be on PBS.

On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 8:34:11 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
>
> Sqwertz wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 15:05:31 -0700 (PDT),
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 4:56:58 PM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
> >>>
> >> Well, I'm not mechanically inclined like that so I'd be picking up the phone
> >> and calling the repairman.
> >
> > **** that. I learned how to fix my sticking front door from 32
> > years of gravity a couple months ago (by bending the top hinge).
> > Right after that somebody asked on Nextdoor.com for a handyman to
> > fix it for them and I offered and did it in 10 minutes for $5 (I'm
> > cheap). Since then I've fixed 28 front doors in my neighborhood of
> > 900 homes for $5/pop + tips (about $300). I think that's fair
> > considering I book them a street at a time and do 10 a day all
> > within walking distance.
> >
> > A professional repairman would charge you $125-$150 for that same
> > service.
> >
> > -sw
> >
> Sounds like a wonderful profession. Next we know you'll be on PBS.
>
HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There used to be a show on PBS
entitled "Hometime." If the copyright for that title has expired maybe Steve
can snag that for his show!

> wrote in message
...
> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 8:34:11 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> > On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 15:05:31 -0700 (PDT),
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 4:56:58 PM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
>> >>>
>> >> Well, I'm not mechanically inclined like that so I'd be picking up the
>> >> phone
>> >> and calling the repairman.
>> >
>> > **** that. I learned how to fix my sticking front door from 32
>> > years of gravity a couple months ago (by bending the top hinge).
>> > Right after that somebody asked on Nextdoor.com for a handyman to
>> > fix it for them and I offered and did it in 10 minutes for $5 (I'm
>> > cheap). Since then I've fixed 28 front doors in my neighborhood of
>> > 900 homes for $5/pop + tips (about $300). I think that's fair
>> > considering I book them a street at a time and do 10 a day all
>> > within walking distance.
>> >
>> > A professional repairman would charge you $125-$150 for that same
>> > service.
>> >
>> > -sw
>> >
>> Sounds like a wonderful profession. Next we know you'll be on PBS.
>>
> HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There used to be a show on PBS
> entitled "Hometime." If the copyright for that title has expired maybe
> Steve
> can snag that for his show!

Is that the one with "Wally", whose wife was always yelling at him as he
buffooned around? If so, we saw it being filmed live at the Home Show. Was
too funny.

On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 5:50:59 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> > "Gary" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Sqwertz wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 14:49:18 -0600, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Ahh, buy the whole unit thing. Do you also have to have a
> >>> special
> >>> > tool to install the tray? There is nothing polite I can say
> >>> here, so
> >>> > just, good luck
> >>> > Janet US
> >>>
> >>> I already ripped out the whole ice maker and took it apart. I
> >>> found
> >>> a small problem and then put it back in and noticed the crack.
> >>> Then
> >>> took it back out again and tired to glue it (twice).
> >>>
> >>> It turns out I can buy an ice tray from Amazon for $7. But as soon
> >>> as I do that something else on the ice-maker will fail. The sensor
> >>> arm is already busted and duck-taped since month #3 of ownership.
> >>> And these trays only have a lifespan is 3-4 years. It's a
> >>> well-known design flaw, along with the sensor arm (it breaks when
> >>> you open the drawer while it sensing).
> >>
> >> Use ice cube trays. Whenever one of mine cracks, I still have
> >> 2 working ones. Cheap to replace too - 3/$1.00 at the
> >> dollar store.
> >>
> >> Next time buy a basic fridge without all the fancy crap that
> >> breaks. Will give you more freezer space too.
> >
> > I love my countertop ice maker.
> How the hell did yoose buy that in Bothell?

I bought mine from target.com, and they shipped it. I think they ship to Bothell too.

--Bryan

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 12:48:41 +0100, Pamela wrote:

> The truth hurts. I'm interested in what Mike has to say. I don't always
> agree with him but he's usually reliable.

Steve said he worked for MS at the time. He was apparently banned
because he noted a technical problem Ray wanted kept confidential.

What is not clear is if he was speaking 'in cathedra' at the time.

(I.e. was he speaking on behalf of Microsoft directly regarding a
specific policy MS had regarding the specific issue he noted.

Normally this would be the case only for a MS engineer assigned to
an ES problem ticket, and not simply an ES user.)

From legal & pragmatic points of view, any censure would be from
MS, not ES. Thus, it does not really matter what the technical
issue was. Tech staff disagree all the time. I assume Steve getting
banned had more to do with his message tone than technical semantics.