Friday, while at the grocery store, I picked up a carton of "Carnival
Sweet" grapes. They're advertised as white grapes but are in fact an
extremely pale yellow grape, not at all like the Thompson seedless
grapes.

They're nice and sweet for the first 3-5 seconds after biting into them.
Then they become very astringent and seem to suck the saliva right out
of my mouth. Disappointing for grapes that are $3.99 per pound and I
don't think they will find their way in my shopping cart again.

On 11/3/2019 4:46 PM, wrote:
>
> Friday, while at the grocery store, I picked up a carton of "Carnival
> Sweet" grapes. They're advertised as white grapes but are in fact an
> extremely pale yellow grape, not at all like the Thompson seedless
> grapes.
>
> They're nice and sweet for the first 3-5 seconds after biting into them.
> Then they become very astringent and seem to suck the saliva right out
> of my mouth. Disappointing for grapes that are $3.99 per pound and I
> don't think they will find their way in my shopping cart again.
>
I'm sorry the grapes weren't as promised. Is there a way for you to
communicate with the grower that you were disatissfied with their grapes?

Jill

On 11/3/2019 4:46 PM, wrote:
>
> Friday, while at the grocery store, I picked up a carton of "Carnival
> Sweet" grapes. They're advertised as white grapes but are in fact an
> extremely pale yellow grape, not at all like the Thompson seedless
> grapes.
>
> They're nice and sweet for the first 3-5 seconds after biting into them.
> Then they become very astringent and seem to suck the saliva right out
> of my mouth. Disappointing for grapes that are $3.99 per pound and I
> don't think they will find their way in my shopping cart again.
>

Bought some red grapes last week. They had some 1.99 and others 2.99.
Took a taste of each and bought the 2.99 from The Grapery. Much better
taste, juicier.

> wrote in message
...
>
> Friday, while at the grocery store, I picked up a carton of "Carnival
> Sweet" grapes. They're advertised as white grapes but are in fact an
> extremely pale yellow grape, not at all like the Thompson seedless
> grapes.
>
> They're nice and sweet for the first 3-5 seconds after biting into them.
> Then they become very astringent and seem to suck the saliva right out
> of my mouth. Disappointing for grapes that are $3.99 per pound and I
> don't think they will find their way in my shopping cart again.

I have given up on grapes.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/3/2019 4:46 PM, wrote:
>>
>> Friday, while at the grocery store, I picked up a carton of "Carnival
>> Sweet" grapes. They're advertised as white grapes but are in fact an
>> extremely pale yellow grape, not at all like the Thompson seedless
>> grapes.
>>
>> They're nice and sweet for the first 3-5 seconds after biting into them.
>> Then they become very astringent and seem to suck the saliva right out
>> of my mouth. Disappointing for grapes that are $3.99 per pound and I
>> don't think they will find their way in my shopping cart again.
>>
>
> Bought some red grapes last week. They had some 1.99 and others 2.99.
> Took a taste of each and bought the 2.99 from The Grapery. Much better
> taste, juicier.

I liked the Grapery so much when they were new, I signed up to get delivery.
The delivery never happened as they said they were having trouble delivering
them in a fresh state. The same seems to happen in the stores too. They're
just not vey fresh.

On Sunday, November 3, 2019 at 6:48:37 PM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
>
> I'm sorry the grapes weren't as promised. Is there a way for you to
> communicate with the grower that you were disatissfied with their grapes?
>
> Jill
>
Probably so, but they will just be filed in my mental grocery list "Do NOT
Buy This Variety Again."

On Sunday, November 3, 2019 at 7:34:51 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> Bought some red grapes last week. They had some 1.99 and others 2.99.
> Took a taste of each and bought the 2.99 from The Grapery. Much better
> taste, juicier.
>
Yep, the cheaper ones are usually not ripe thus the lower price. When red,
white, or purple/black grapes are advertised at 99¢ per pound I steer clear.

On 11/3/2019 10:21 PM, wrote:
> On Sunday, November 3, 2019 at 7:34:51 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> Bought some red grapes last week. They had some 1.99 and others 2.99.
>> Took a taste of each and bought the 2.99 from The Grapery. Much better
>> taste, juicier.
>>
> Yep, the cheaper ones are usually not ripe thus the lower price. When red,
> white, or purple/black grapes are advertised at 99¢ per pound I steer clear.
>

What I like about grapes is you can always take a sample. There have
been some cheap ones at the peak of the season that were good, but not
that often. You have to get lucky and hit that week or so.

On 2019-11-03 10:57 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/3/2019 10:21 PM, wrote:

>> Yep, the cheaper ones are usually not ripe thus the lower price.Â* When
>> red,
>> white, or purple/black grapes are advertised at 99¢ per pound I steer
>> clear.
>>
>
> What I like about grapes is you can always take a sample.Â* There have
> been some cheap ones at the peak of the season that were good, but not
> that often.Â* You have to get lucky and hit that week or so.

I have no qualms about tasting grapes to make sure they are good. I have
some issues with the way they are packaging them. They always used to be
in bulk bins and you could take as much as you wanted or needed. Over
the last few years they have started putting them into bags, and in much
larger quantities than I can manage. Luckily, they leave the bags open,
and I take out about half of them and put them in another bag. I often
do that right in front of the produce staff and no one has ever objected.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I have given up on grapes.

heh heh

On Mon, 04 Nov 2019 11:04:27 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I have given up on grapes.
>
>heh heh

I bought black seedless grapes this morning. 99¢/lb. excellent.
New York grows some of the finast grapes on the planet but I don't
think NYS ships to Bothel... seems no one ships to Bothel.

On Sun, 3 Nov 2019 13:46:22 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>
>Friday, while at the grocery store, I picked up a carton of "Carnival
>Sweet" grapes. They're advertised as white grapes but are in fact an
>extremely pale yellow grape, not at all like the Thompson seedless
>grapes.
>
>They're nice and sweet for the first 3-5 seconds after biting into them.
>Then they become very astringent and seem to suck the saliva right out
>of my mouth. Disappointing for grapes that are $3.99 per pound and I
>don't think they will find their way in my shopping cart again.

I bought some seedless Red Grapes last week from Costco and the were
very sweet, juicy and huge. I didn't know there were seedless red
grapes like that. I will buy again.
Janet US

On Mon, 04 Nov 2019 14:50:38 -0500, wrote:

>On Mon, 04 Nov 2019 11:04:27 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> I have given up on grapes.
>>
>>heh heh
>
>I bought black seedless grapes this morning. 99¢/lb. excellent.
>New York grows some of the finast grapes on the planet

Of the tiny part of the planet that you know.

On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 1:55:53 PM UTC-6, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
> I bought some seedless Red Grapes last week from Costco and the were
> very sweet, juicy and huge. I didn't know there were seedless red
> grapes like that. I will buy again.
> Janet US
>
I have come to prefer the red and black grapes over the Thompson seedless
variety now. The black ones are like eating candy as are the red ones.

On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 12:41:42 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 1:55:53 PM UTC-6, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>
>> I bought some seedless Red Grapes last week from Costco and the were
>> very sweet, juicy and huge. I didn't know there were seedless red
>> grapes like that. I will buy again.
>> Janet US
>>
>I have come to prefer the red and black grapes over the Thompson seedless
>variety now. The black ones are like eating candy as are the red ones.

That explains why grapes are so popular in the US. I only like them in
liquid form.

On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 2:50:43 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Nov 2019 11:04:27 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
> >Julie Bove wrote:
> >>
> >> I have given up on grapes.
> >
> >heh heh
>
> I bought black seedless grapes this morning. 99ï½¢/lb. excellent.
> New York grows some of the finast grapes on the planet but I don't
> think NYS ships to Bothel... seems no one ships to Bothel.

I like grapes with seeds. I like chewing on the seeds. I never seen those grapes any longer.

On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 2:58:21 PM UTC-6, A Moose in Love wrote:
>
> I like grapes with seeds. I like chewing on the seeds. I never seen those grapes any longer.
>
Oh yuck. Why in the world would you want to chew on those little wooden
nuggets?

On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 4:06:10 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 2:58:21 PM UTC-6, A Moose in Love wrote:
> >
> > I like grapes with seeds. I like chewing on the seeds. I never seen those grapes any longer.
> >
> Oh yuck. Why in the world would you want to chew on those little wooden
> nuggets?

They are good. Nice and a bit bitter.

On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 4:50:46 PM UTC-6, A Moose in Love wrote:
>
> On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 4:06:10 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>
> > On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 2:58:21 PM UTC-6, A Moose in Love wrote:
> > >
> > > I like grapes with seeds. I like chewing on the seeds. I never seen those grapes any longer.
> > >
> > Oh yuck. Why in the world would you want to chew on those little wooden
> > nuggets?
>
> They are good. Nice and a bit bitter.
>
*Crunch* *Crunch* *Crunch* The seeds are one reason I gave up eating
pomegranates. I just switched to pomegranate juice to get my fix.

A Moose in Love wrote:
....
> I like grapes with seeds. I like chewing on the seeds. I never seen those grapes any longer.

i really only like concord grapes for fresh eating.


songbird

On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 8:33:13 AM UTC-5, songbird wrote:
> A Moose in Love wrote:
> ...
> > I like grapes with seeds. I like chewing on the seeds. I never seen those grapes any longer.
>
> i really only like concord grapes for fresh eating.
>
>
> songbird

Concords are great for eating. I'm trying to think what Canadian grapes we used for wine making. Concords? Muscats?

On 11/5/2019 8:26 AM, songbird wrote:
> A Moose in Love wrote:
> ...
>> I like grapes with seeds. I like chewing on the seeds. I never seen those grapes any longer.
>
> i really only like concord grapes for fresh eating.
>
>
> songbird
>

Hardly ever see them in the stores. They must get bought up by the
jelly people.

Around here I see the big dump trailers loaded with oranges headed for
the Tropicana plant. In the grocery store though, I can buy California
oranges.

On 2019-11-05 8:54 a.m., A Moose in Love wrote:
songbird
>
> Concords are great for eating. I'm trying to think what Canadian
> grapes we used for wine making. Concords? Muscats?
>

That is why Canadian wine was so bad for so many years. Then in the
1970s they started growing varietal grapes. Now they make great wines.

On 2019-11-05 9:16 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/5/2019 8:26 AM, songbird wrote:
>> A Moose in Love wrote:
>> ...
>>> I like grapes with seeds.Â* I like chewing on the seeds.Â* I never seen
>>> those grapes any longer.
>>
>> Â*Â* i really only like concord grapes for fresh eating.
>>
>>
>> Â*Â* songbird
>>
>
> Hardly ever see them in the stores.Â* They must get bought up by the
> jelly people.

Welsh's used to have a plant in St.Catharines and the Niagara grapes
went there to be juiced for juice and for jam. When that company moved
out one of the local grape farmers build a processing plant on his farm.
Most of the other grape growers dug up the Concords or switched over to
various wine grapes.

On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:12:29 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2019-11-05 8:54 a.m., A Moose in Love wrote:
>songbird
>>
>> Concords are great for eating. I'm trying to think what Canadian
>> grapes we used for wine making. Concords? Muscats?
>>
>
>That is why Canadian wine was so bad for so many years. Then in the
>1970s they started growing varietal grapes. Now they make great wines.

Great wines got their start when growers began removing the native
labrusca vines (Fox grapes, like Concord or Niagara) and replacing
them with vinifera vines (European-style table wine grapes).
Here in Ontario, that began between 1989 and 1991.

Ross

On 2019-11-05 12:02 p.m., wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:12:29 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2019-11-05 8:54 a.m., A Moose in Love wrote:
>> songbird
>>>
>>> Concords are great for eating. I'm trying to think what Canadian
>>> grapes we used for wine making. Concords? Muscats?
>>>
>>
>> That is why Canadian wine was so bad for so many years. Then in the
>> 1970s they started growing varietal grapes. Now they make great wines.
>
> Great wines got their start when growers began removing the native
> labrusca vines (Fox grapes, like Concord or Niagara) and replacing
> them with vinifera vines (European-style table wine grapes).
> Here in Ontario, that began between 1989 and 1991.
>

It was a little earlier than that. Don Ziraldo and Karl Keiser started
using Gamay Noir, Chardonnay and Riessling grapes. That gave a big push
to Niagara wines and paved the way to quality wine production in the
region.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2019-11-05 8:54 a.m., A Moose in Love wrote:
> songbird
> >
> > Concords are great for eating. I'm trying to think what Canadian
> > grapes we used for wine making. Concords? Muscats?
> >
>
> That is why Canadian wine was so bad for so many years. Then in the
> 1970s they started growing varietal grapes. Now they make great wines.

All wine tastes good after the first glass or two. Does wonders
for meals too.

On Wed, 06 Nov 2019 09:54:40 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 2019-11-05 8:54 a.m., A Moose in Love wrote:
>> songbird
>> >
>> > Concords are great for eating. I'm trying to think what Canadian
>> > grapes we used for wine making. Concords? Muscats?

Concords are not great for winemaking unless one likes the kosher wine
from Mogan David (sweeter than a sugar cane field)... however concords
make a wonderful grape pie.

My Concord grapes before they ripened:
https://postimg.cc/rDDkvxn2
Once they begin to ripen picture taking is over, the birds feast on
them.

I'll let yoose edit out extraneous parts:
Concord Grape Pie (anon)<BR>
<BR>
pastry for single crust pie<BR>
11/2 lbs. concord grapes (4 cups)<BR>
3/4 cup sugar<BR>
1/3 cup all purpose flour<BR>
1/4 t. salt<BR>
2 T. butter or margarine melted<BR>
1 T. lemon juice<BR>
1/2 cup all purpose flour<BR>
1/2 cup sugar<BR>
1/4 cup butter or margarine<BR>
<BR>
Prepare and roll out pastry into a 12 inch circle. Line a 9 inch
pie<BR>
plate and flute edge. Do not prick pastry. Slip skins from grapes
<BR>
and set skins aside. In saucepan bring grape pulp to a boil. Reduce
<BR>
the heat and simmer for 5 minutes. Sieve to remove seeds. Add <BR>
skins to pulp. Combine 3/4 cup sugar, 1/3 cup flour, and the salt.
<BR>
Stir in the butter, lemon juice and grape mixture. Pour into pastry
<BR>
shell. To prevent over browning cover edge of pie with tinfoil. Bake
<BR>
in 375 degrees for 20 -25 minutes. Mean while combine 1/2 cup flour
<BR>
and 1/2 cup sugar. Cut in 1/4 cup butter until crumbly. Remove foil
<BR>
from pie. Sprinkle crumbs mixture over pie. Bake about 25 minutes <BR>
more.<BR>
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>> That is why Canadian wine was so bad for so many years. Then in the
>> 1970s they started growing varietal grapes. Now they make great wines.
>
>All wine tastes good after the first glass or two. Does wonders
>for meals too.