On Wednesday, June 26, 2019 at 10:09:53 PM UTC-10, Roy wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2019 at 10:13:17 PM UTC-6, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 26, 2019 at 4:26:17 PM UTC-10, Roy wrote:
> > >
> > > I raised cattle for years and have always enjoyed beef. I also was a meat cutter
> > > for years and mixed up that shitty soya burger as an alternative and cheaper
> > > product for the non-discerning people and poor as church mice like you.
> > > ====
> >
> > What's your beef, man? Do you think that it's my fault how the stars align? Do you think that I have control of the future of the beef industry? It it that you feel threatened by the words that I have posted? Do you even know what your beef is? My guess is that you have no idea. I am not responsible for how the future plays out. I have no magical powers and unicorns do not exist.
> >
> > As far as the Beyond Burger goes, it contains no soy - you're barking up the wrong tree. If you're just an angry old dude and in need of venting some anger - you're still barking up the wrong tree.
>
> Here is what is contained:
>
> Beyond Meat: The Beyond Burger ingredients: Pea Protein Isolate, Expeller Pressed Canola Oil, Refined Coconut Oil, Water, Yeast Extract, Maltodextrin, Natural Flavors, Gum Arabic, Sunflower Oil, Salt, Succinic Acid, Acetic Acid, Non-GMO Modified Food Starch, Cellulose From Bamboo, Methylcellulose, Potato Starch, Beet Juice Extract (for color), Ascorbic Acid (to maintain color), Annatto Extract (for color), Citrus Fruit Extract (to maintain quality), Vegetable Glycerin.
>
> Some similar products contain soya bean meal. I guess these are the future foods
> our kids will eat. Hope they enjoy them as much as we enjoy our real meat products.
> =====

This is the golden age of cookery. The foods available to people are the most varied and bountiful than in any time in human history. Consider yourself lucky. The people in the future will mostly eat processed foods made in the most efficient of ways. They wont be actually preparing foods. You'll probably be able to get non-preprocessed foods in restaurants but that will be for special occasions and it will be expensive.

Self-appointed soothsayer wrote:
>
> The people in the
> future will mostly eat processed foods made in the most
> efficient of ways. They wont be actually preparing foods.

Sounds pretty bleak and boring.

In article >,
dsi1 > wrote:

> This is the golden age of cookery. The foods available to people are the most
> varied and bountiful than in any time in human history. Consider yourself
> lucky. The people in the future will mostly eat processed foods made in the
> most efficient of ways. They wont be actually preparing foods. You'll
> probably be able to get non-preprocessed foods in restaurants but that will
> be for special occasions and it will be expensive.

Even socialists have a ruling class. They'll eat the real stuff for
every meal, don't ya think? The rest of our future selves will eat
Soylent Green.
Since TV segments will raise our *awareness* of its benefits, things
will work out. I wish somebody would produce a movie about this.

leo

On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 04:08:48 -0700, Leonard Blaisdell
> wrote:

>In article >,
>dsi1 > wrote:
>
>> This is the golden age of cookery. The foods available to people are the most
>> varied and bountiful than in any time in human history. Consider yourself
>> lucky. The people in the future will mostly eat processed foods made in the
>> most efficient of ways. They wont be actually preparing foods. You'll
>> probably be able to get non-preprocessed foods in restaurants but that will
>> be for special occasions and it will be expensive.
>
>Even socialists have a ruling class.

Socialist countries always became dictatorships in no time.

On Thursday, June 27, 2019 at 6:51:02 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Self-appointed soothsayer wrote:
> >
> > The people in the
> > future will mostly eat processed foods made in the most
> > efficient of ways. They wont be actually preparing foods.
>
> Sounds pretty bleak and boring.

Yeah. I'm glad I won't be in that future.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thursday, June 27, 2019 at 12:51:02 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> Self-appointed soothsayer wrote:
> >
> > The people in the
> > future will mostly eat processed foods made in the most
> > efficient of ways. They wont be actually preparing foods.
>
> Sounds pretty bleak and boring.

Well, yeah. What's your point?

On Thursday, June 27, 2019 at 1:08:54 AM UTC-10, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> In article >,
> dsi1 > wrote:
>
> > This is the golden age of cookery. The foods available to people are the most
> > varied and bountiful than in any time in human history. Consider yourself
> > lucky. The people in the future will mostly eat processed foods made in the
> > most efficient of ways. They wont be actually preparing foods. You'll
> > probably be able to get non-preprocessed foods in restaurants but that will
> > be for special occasions and it will be expensive.
>
> Even socialists have a ruling class. They'll eat the real stuff for
> every meal, don't ya think? The rest of our future selves will eat
> Soylent Green.
> Since TV segments will raise our *awareness* of its benefits, things
> will work out. I wish somebody would produce a movie about this.
>
> leo

The Hawaiians are well familiar with social disparity. We're experts on how it all goes down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ol2WJIoE0A

On 6/27/2019 6:51 AM, Gary wrote:
> Self-appointed soothsayer wrote:
>>
>> The people in the
>> future will mostly eat processed foods made in the most
>> efficient of ways. They wont be actually preparing foods.
>
> Sounds pretty bleak and boring.
>
Gary, please stop trimming so that people can't figure out who you're
replying to. I'm guessing dsi1 because of his often "futuristic" food
declarations. And because I read back a few posts If I hadn't, the
way you trimmed it wouldn't know what the heck you're talking about.

Jill

On 6/27/2019 8:52 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, June 27, 2019 at 6:51:02 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> Self-appointed soothsayer wrote:
>>>
>>> The people in the
>>> future will mostly eat processed foods made in the most
>>> efficient of ways. They wont be actually preparing foods.
>>
>> Sounds pretty bleak and boring.
>
> Yeah. I'm glad I won't be in that future.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
I can't imagine *wanting* to be in that future. I wouldn't want to be a
kid in that futuristic world. Never knowing or appreciating where food
really comes from. Wipe out the farmer for the lab. No thanks!

Jill

dsi1 wrote:
>
> On Thursday, June 27, 2019 at 12:51:02 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> > Self-appointed soothsayer wrote:
> > >
> > > The people in the
> > > future will mostly eat processed foods made in the most
> > > efficient of ways. They wont be actually preparing foods.
> >
> > Sounds pretty bleak and boring.
>
> Well, yeah. What's your point?

That *was* my point.

jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 6/27/2019 6:51 AM, Gary wrote:
> > Self-appointed soothsayer wrote:
> >>
> >> The people in the
> >> future will mostly eat processed foods made in the most
> >> efficient of ways. They wont be actually preparing foods.
> >
> > Sounds pretty bleak and boring.
> >
> Gary, please stop trimming so that people can't figure out who you're
> replying to.

My "trimming" was spot on. I only quoted his comment that I was
responding to. I did word-change his name but you should have
figured that out immediately.

Naturally, you hate the word-changing even more. Your buddy
Sheldon has done that occasionally too lately but many probably
didn't notice it.

Oh well. Hope your HOT day is a good one inside. May the AC keep
on going.

On 6/28/2019 8:40 AM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> On 6/27/2019 6:51 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Self-appointed soothsayer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The people in the
>>>> future will mostly eat processed foods made in the most
>>>> efficient of ways. They wont be actually preparing foods.
>>>
>>> Sounds pretty bleak and boring.
>>>
>> Gary, please stop trimming so that people can't figure out who you're
>> replying to.
>
> My "trimming" was spot on. I only quoted his comment that I was
> responding to. I did word-change his name but you should have
> figured that out immediately.
>
I did figure it out. dsi1 is very much in favour of 3-D printed food.
I hope we're all dead by then. Even on 'Star Trek' with the food
replicators, they did actually enjoy finding and tasting *real* food.

> Naturally, you hate the word-changing even more. Your buddy
> Sheldon has done that occasionally too lately but many probably
> didn't notice it.
>
Oh, I noticed. It just wasn't worth commenting that Sheldon added "a
box of wine". He got the quantity of a box of wine wrong. It's five
liters, not four.

> Oh well. Hope your HOT day is a good one inside. May the AC keep
> on going.
>
It's been very hot here but in fact, it was much hotter at the end of
April, early May (temps in the 100's for a few days) than it is now. I
always make sure my AC is working. That's why I have a service contract.

Jill

On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 3:56:37 AM UTC-10, jmcquown wrote:

> I did figure it out. dsi1 is very much in favour of 3-D printed food.
> I hope we're all dead by then. Even on 'Star Trek' with the food
> replicators, they did actually enjoy finding and tasting *real* food.
>

dsi1 ain't "in favour" of nothing. dsi1 can say that a bus is supposed to arrive in 10 minutes. That don't mean dsi1 is very much in favour of riding on buses. dsi1 says that yoose guys is way too presumptuous. He guess that yoose guys will be eating 3D printed food very shortly. He say "LOL."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nursing...-printed-food/

On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 12:23:05 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 3:56:37 AM UTC-10, jmcquown wrote:
>
> > I did figure it out. dsi1 is very much in favour of 3-D printed food.
> > I hope we're all dead by then. Even on 'Star Trek' with the food
> > replicators, they did actually enjoy finding and tasting *real* food.
> >
>
> dsi1 ain't "in favour" of nothing. dsi1 can say that a bus is supposed to arrive in 10 minutes. That don't mean dsi1 is very much in favour of riding on buses. dsi1 says that yoose guys is way too presumptuous. He guess that yoose guys will be eating 3D printed food very shortly. He say "LOL."
>
> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nursing...-printed-food/

I'd eat a bullet before I went into a nursing home.

Cindy Hamilton

On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 6:27:01 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 12:23:05 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 3:56:37 AM UTC-10, jmcquown wrote:
> >
> > > I did figure it out. dsi1 is very much in favour of 3-D printed food..
> > > I hope we're all dead by then. Even on 'Star Trek' with the food
> > > replicators, they did actually enjoy finding and tasting *real* food.
> > >
> >
> > dsi1 ain't "in favour" of nothing. dsi1 can say that a bus is supposed to arrive in 10 minutes. That don't mean dsi1 is very much in favour of riding on buses. dsi1 says that yoose guys is way too presumptuous. He guess that yoose guys will be eating 3D printed food very shortly. He say "LOL."
> >
> > https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nursing...-printed-food/
>
> I'd eat a bullet before I went into a nursing home.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Well, from what I've seen in some nursing homes, that might not be such a bad idea.

On 6/28/2019 12:26 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 12:23:05 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 3:56:37 AM UTC-10, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> I did figure it out. dsi1 is very much in favour of 3-D printed food.
>>> I hope we're all dead by then. Even on 'Star Trek' with the food
>>> replicators, they did actually enjoy finding and tasting *real* food.
>>>
>>
>> dsi1 ain't "in favour" of nothing. dsi1 can say that a bus is supposed to arrive in 10 minutes.

So you admit it's all pure speculation. Let's just agree you aren't the
harbinger of anything.

> That don't mean dsi1 is very much in favour of riding on buses. dsi1 says that yoose guys is way too presumptuous. He guess that yoose guys will be eating 3D printed food very shortly. He say "LOL."
>>
>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nursing...-printed-food/
>
> I'd eat a bullet before I went into a nursing home.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
It's neither here nor there, you wouldn't be in a nursing home in
Germany. I hear they make excellent guns and ammo, though.

Jill

On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 7:24:39 AM UTC-10, jmcquown wrote:
>
> So you admit it's all pure speculation. Let's just agree you aren't the
> harbinger of anything.
>

You can believe that but that would be unwise. I'm usually correct about the future. I like to say things before other people can see them. Right now, I'm seeing that we'll be forced to eat sustainable foods and that 3D printing will play a big role in our sustainable food future. I'm also predicting electric airplanes and personal air transportation i.e., "flying cars." How about them apples?

I'm also predicting that in 2 years time, you'll still be clueless about Korean foods. OTOH, it doesn't take much insight to predict that.

dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 7:24:39 AM UTC-10, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> So you admit it's all pure speculation. Let's just agree you aren't the
>> harbinger of anything.
>>
>
> You can believe that but that would be unwise. I'm usually correct about the future. I like to say things before other people can see them. Right now, I'm seeing that we'll be forced to eat sustainable foods and that 3D printing will play a big role in our sustainable food future. I'm also predicting electric airplanes and personal air transportation i.e., "flying cars." How about them apples?
>
> I'm also predicting that in 2 years time, you'll still be clueless about Korean foods. OTOH, it doesn't take much insight to predict that.
>


^^^^ A regular Buck Rogers

On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 8:57:59 AM UTC-10, Hank Rogers wrote:
>
>
> ^^^^ A regular Buck Rogers

I've always liked "Miss Cleo" but indeed, my vision goes far into the future.

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec....0/KuhSkr8L_1oJ

As it goes, Android is now the dominant OS on this planet. Microsoft never made it to the party. The iPad was a game changer.

On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 8:57:59 AM UTC-10, Hank Rogers wrote:
>
>
> ^^^^ A regular Buck Rogers

Here's another gem of a post from over 10 years ago:

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec....A/_QaGDjn0bw4J

Pretty awesome, eh? I guess I am Buck Rogers. That's a lot better than being a Hank Rogers but fess up now. You and Sheldon are the same person, right? The signs are obvious - the both of you are obsessed with Sheldon. Your secret's safe with me!

On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 15:08:35 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 8:57:59 AM UTC-10, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>
>>
>> ^^^^ A regular Buck Rogers
>
>Here's another gem of a post from over 10 years ago:
>
>https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec....A/_QaGDjn0bw4J
>
>Pretty awesome, eh? I guess I am Buck Rogers. That's a lot better than being a Hank Rogers but fess up now. You and Sheldon are the same person, right? The signs are obvious - the both of you are obsessed with Sheldon. Your secret's safe with me!

Heh, Ed was already a naysayer 10 years ago. Many things change, but
naysayers stay the same.

Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 15:08:35 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 8:57:59 AM UTC-10, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> ^^^^ A regular Buck Rogers
>>
>> Here's another gem of a post from over 10 years ago:
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec....A/_QaGDjn0bw4J
>>
>> Pretty awesome, eh? I guess I am Buck Rogers. That's a lot better than being a Hank Rogers but fess up now. You and Sheldon are the same person, right? The signs are obvious - the both of you are obsessed with Sheldon. Your secret's safe with me!
>
> Heh, Ed was already a naysayer 10 years ago. Many things change, but
> naysayers stay the same.
>

Yeah, some things change tho, Ed's living in a goat barn. No RO
water filter. No 100% mayan wimmens to screw.

Some things never change. Popeye is still a horny asshole. dsi1
still full of shit on a rock somewhere and hating all us honkeys.

Druce still trying to track down and punish McBiddy.

Same old Same old.

On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 1:55:06 PM UTC-10, Hank Rogers wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
> > On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 15:08:35 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 8:57:59 AM UTC-10, Hank Rogers wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ^^^^ A regular Buck Rogers
> >>
> >> Here's another gem of a post from over 10 years ago:
> >>
> >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec....A/_QaGDjn0bw4J
> >>
> >> Pretty awesome, eh? I guess I am Buck Rogers. That's a lot better than being a Hank Rogers but fess up now. You and Sheldon are the same person, right? The signs are obvious - the both of you are obsessed with Sheldon. Your secret's safe with me!
> >
> > Heh, Ed was already a naysayer 10 years ago. Many things change, but
> > naysayers stay the same.
> >
>
> Yeah, some things change tho, Ed's living in a goat barn. No RO
> water filter. No 100% mayan wimmens to screw.
>
> Some things never change. Popeye is still a horny asshole. dsi1
> still full of shit on a rock somewhere and hating all us honkeys.
>
> Druce still trying to track down and punish McBiddy.
>
> Same old Same old.

Near as I can figure out, your sole reason for existence is to convince people that Sheldon's wife really exists. I think you're doing a brilliant job!

dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 1:55:06 PM UTC-10, Hank Rogers wrote:
>> Bruce wrote:
>>> On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 15:08:35 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 8:57:59 AM UTC-10, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ^^^^ A regular Buck Rogers
>>>>
>>>> Here's another gem of a post from over 10 years ago:
>>>>
>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec....A/_QaGDjn0bw4J
>>>>
>>>> Pretty awesome, eh? I guess I am Buck Rogers. That's a lot better than being a Hank Rogers but fess up now. You and Sheldon are the same person, right? The signs are obvious - the both of you are obsessed with Sheldon. Your secret's safe with me!
>>>
>>> Heh, Ed was already a naysayer 10 years ago. Many things change, but
>>> naysayers stay the same.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, some things change tho, Ed's living in a goat barn. No RO
>> water filter. No 100% mayan wimmens to screw.
>>
>> Some things never change. Popeye is still a horny asshole. dsi1
>> still full of shit on a rock somewhere and hating all us honkeys.
>>
>> Druce still trying to track down and punish McBiddy.
>>
>> Same old Same old.
>
> Near as I can figure out, your sole reason for existence is to convince people that Sheldon's wife really exists. I think you're doing a brilliant job!
>

Yoose forgot a few of my goals:

(1) Get rid of all honkeys, haoles, crackers, etc.

(2) Keep hiwaiians and kiss their asses.

(3) Destroy the mainland.

(4) Worship asians.

On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 3:02:42 PM UTC-10, Hank Rogers wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> > On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 1:55:06 PM UTC-10, Hank Rogers wrote:
> >> Bruce wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 15:08:35 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 8:57:59 AM UTC-10, Hank Rogers wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ^^^^ A regular Buck Rogers
> >>>>
> >>>> Here's another gem of a post from over 10 years ago:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec....A/_QaGDjn0bw4J
> >>>>
> >>>> Pretty awesome, eh? I guess I am Buck Rogers. That's a lot better than being a Hank Rogers but fess up now. You and Sheldon are the same person, right? The signs are obvious - the both of you are obsessed with Sheldon. Your secret's safe with me!
> >>>
> >>> Heh, Ed was already a naysayer 10 years ago. Many things change, but
> >>> naysayers stay the same.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yeah, some things change tho, Ed's living in a goat barn. No RO
> >> water filter. No 100% mayan wimmens to screw.
> >>
> >> Some things never change. Popeye is still a horny asshole. dsi1
> >> still full of shit on a rock somewhere and hating all us honkeys.
> >>
> >> Druce still trying to track down and punish McBiddy.
> >>
> >> Same old Same old.
> >
> > Near as I can figure out, your sole reason for existence is to convince people that Sheldon's wife really exists. I think you're doing a brilliant job!
> >
>
> Yoose forgot a few of my goals:
>
> (1) Get rid of all honkeys, haoles, crackers, etc.
>
> (2) Keep hiwaiians and kiss their asses.
>
> (3) Destroy the mainland.
>
> (4) Worship asians.

I didn't forget nothing. Please continue your primary mission because I'm still not quite convinced.

Mahalo!

On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 18:54:56 -0500, Hank Rogers >
wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 15:08:35 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 8:57:59 AM UTC-10, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ^^^^ A regular Buck Rogers
>>>
>>> Here's another gem of a post from over 10 years ago:
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec....A/_QaGDjn0bw4J
>>>
>>> Pretty awesome, eh? I guess I am Buck Rogers. That's a lot better than being a Hank Rogers but fess up now. You and Sheldon are the same person, right? The signs are obvious - the both of you are obsessed with Sheldon. Your secret's safe with me!
>>
>> Heh, Ed was already a naysayer 10 years ago. Many things change, but
>> naysayers stay the same.
>>
>
>Yeah, some things change tho, Ed's living in a goat barn. No RO
>water filter. No 100% mayan wimmens to screw.
>
>Some things never change. Popeye is still a horny asshole. dsi1
>still full of shit on a rock somewhere and hating all us honkeys.
>
>Druce still trying to track down and punish McBiddy.

You mention her more often than I do.

On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 6:08:38 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, June 28, 2019 at 8:57:59 AM UTC-10, Hank Rogers wrote:
> >
> >
> > ^^^^ A regular Buck Rogers
>
> Here's another gem of a post from over 10 years ago:
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec....A/_QaGDjn0bw4J
>
> Pretty awesome, eh? I guess I am Buck Rogers. That's a lot better than being a Hank Rogers but fess up now. You and Sheldon are the same person, right? The signs are obvious - the both of you are obsessed with Sheldon. Your secret's safe with me!

The market share of electric vehicles in the U.S. is 2.1%.

Cindy Hamilton

On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 12:22:41 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> The market share of electric vehicles in the U.S. is 2.1%.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

What's your point?

On Sat, 29 Jun 2019 04:36:34 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 12:22:41 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> The market share of electric vehicles in the U.S. is 2.1%.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>What's your point?

They're not very popular... and that 2.1 % includes golf carts.

On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 7:21:53 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Jun 2019 04:36:34 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 12:22:41 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >> The market share of electric vehicles in the U.S. is 2.1%.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >
> >What's your point?
>
> They're not very popular... and that 2.1 % includes golf carts.

Okay, so they're not popular. That's not going to change the future. The current range of electric vehicles and availability still kinda sucks. That's not going to change the future either.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/e...hevy-tesla-vw/

Sheldon wrote:

> On Sat, 29 Jun 2019 04:36:34 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 12:22:41 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >> The market share of electric vehicles in the U.S. is 2.1%.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >
> >What's your point?
>
> They're not very popular... and that 2.1 % includes golf carts.

Here's an article on the use of electric public transit buses, an idear NOT ready for prime time, not even close. How many coal - powered generating plants does it take to feed the electric bus infrastructure in China, one wonders...??? Viz: "...one of the most overlooked stories from Shenzhens experience is the citys long process in setting up the charging infrastructure to support more than 16,000 electric buses. Each bus has a range of about 124 miles on a single charge of 252 kilowatt hours (KWh). In total, the fleet can eat more than 4,000 megawatt-hours (MWh). For comparisons sake, 1 MWh is enough to power about 300 homes for an hour. €œThats an insane amount of power required, not to mention real estate...€�

ARTICLE HE

https://www.citylab.com/transportati...attery/591655/

"Why U.S. Cities Arent Using More Electric Buses

LINDA POON JUN 27, 2019

There were about 425,000 electric buses in service in the worlds cities last year. Almost all€”99 percent of them€”were in China. The booming industrial city of Shenzhen, in particular, is one of only a few cities to have fully electrified its fleet. The rest of the globe, meanwhile, is racing to catch up, and falling further behind.

Its not the lack of ambition thats stopping them: With the goal of curbing carbon emissions in mind, municipal leaders all over have pledged to partially, if not fully, replace their citys fleet with e-buses over the next decades. A number of cities, from large metropolises like Mexico City to more modest ones like Philadelphia, have started pilot tests.

What prevents cities from adopting electric buses en masse is a mix of technological, financial, and institutional challenges, according to a pair of reports from the World Resource Institute looking at efforts in 16 cities at various stages of adopting e-buses. That first report focuses on three major types of barriers, while the second highlights how to overcome them.

The cities studied range from Addis Ababa in Ethiopia€”where theres been €œno substantial planning€� around electric buses€”to cities like Philadelphia and Campinas, Brazil, which, respectively, are running a pilot test and expanding its number of e-buses, to successful cases in Shenzhen and the nearby Zhengzhou. They vary geographically, with some in developed nations like Chile and Spain, and other in emerging countries like India.

€œUnderstanding that electric vehicles are about more than just vehicles is one of the hardest barriers.€�

The biggest takeaway is the cities that want to hop aboard the e-bus revolution need to completely rewire their thinking about electricity and vehicles. €œUnderstanding that electric vehicles are about more than just vehicles is one of the hardest barriers for people to cross over, in both the energy and transportation sectors,€� says Camron Gorguinpour, one of the lead authors of the twin reports. €œIts hard on people who have gone through their whole careers thinking that vehicles and electrical systems are [separate] to now internalize that these things are one in the same.€�

That means when cities consider adopting electric buses, they need to understand the power grid upgrades and charging infrastructure required, and challenges associated with that. Failure to do so is the most common mistake, according to Gorguinpour. Many cities just set up their charging stations thinking that things would €œwork themselves out.€�

Thats why he says one of the most overlooked stories from Shenzhens experience is the citys long process in setting up the charging infrastructure to support more than 16,000 electric buses. Each bus has a range of about 124 miles on a single charge of 252 kilowatt hours (KWh). In total, the fleet can eat more than 4,000 megawatt-hours (MWh). For comparisons sake, 1 MWh is enough to power about 300 homes for an hour. €œThats an insane amount of power required, not to mention real estate,€� he says. €œAnd the process to identify what land is available, then to work with the utilities€”even just figuring out the optimal location€”is a hugely important task, and incredibly challenging.€�

Thats what Philadelphia discovered when it decided to expand its existing fleet of e-buses with newer models€”ones that featured bigger batteries. The city failed to recognize in the early planning process that it would be prohibitively expensive to acquire land in its busy downtown area for charging stations along the bus routes. So they decided to install all the charging infrastructure in the bus depots.

€œThey made that decision without realizing that [it would cost] $1.5 million to upgrade the electrical system in that one location to install a substation that can power 20 vehicles,€� Gorguinpour says. €œThese things can get out of control real fast.€�

That gets into the financial barriers. Cities across the globe often cited higher expenses as the primary challenge to procuring a fleet. While cities that adopt e-buses do end up saving money over the longer term in things like fuel (not to mention the harder-to-quantify value of cleaner air and fewer greenhouse emission), the upfront costs represent significant challenges. In the case studies, the price of a new e-bus ranged between $300,000 and $900,000 per bus, with the report noting that the prices vary dramatically depending on the manufacturer, specifications, and the location of the transit agency. In the U.S., an electric bus averages around $750,000, while a conventional diesel bus is around $435,000.

When cities decide to implement electric buses, Gorguinpour says the cities too focus too much on those upfront costs and not enough on the €œlife cycle cost.€� That could mean delaying the the adoption process altogether or funding small pilot tests€”sometimes with just a handful of buses€”without a larger plan to scale up. €œWe encourage cities to do whatever they can afford,€� he says. €œBut if youre going to get five electric buses in your city, you should work with a group of stakeholders to come up with a strategy, to say, "How am I going to learn enough from these five buses to construct a plan to get me to 500 or to thousands of buses?€�

Or, in the case of Belo Horizonte in Brazil, to get operators on board with full adoption. The city and its bus operators are locked into a long-term contract that provides no requirements or incentives for operators to replace its diesel-bus stock. After the city ran a pilot program without any involvement from the operators€”in hopes of showcasing the technology€”the report notes that €œto date, no operators have expressed interest in investing in what is seen as an expensive and risky endeavor.€�

That cautionary tale illustrates the importance of bring all potential stakeholders together before making any decisions€”something that WRIs second report, which offers a roadmap to adopting electric buses, strongly emphasizes. That includes not only transit officials, but also utility companies, bus operators, and organizations that can help the city finance such a costly endeavor. That includes multinational and national development banks, which Gorguinpour call the €œobvious places to start.€� In some cases€”as in Chiles capital city of Santiago, which has the largest e-bus fleet outside of China€”its utility companies, not transit agencies, that have stepped up to finance the projects.

For cities that have already started its procurement process, this second report provides guidance for various stages of the process, including the stage at which a city is ready to scale up. All in all those, the report stresses one major step: €œA lot of these reports are about city officials going out and getting all the stakeholders in a room to build a comprehensive plan,€� Gorguinpour says. €œIts a lot harder to do anything in large scale in a silo, because the technology is so interdependent on other things..."

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On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 2:00:06 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 7:21:53 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> > On Sat, 29 Jun 2019 04:36:34 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 12:22:41 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >>
> > >> The market share of electric vehicles in the U.S. is 2.1%.
> > >>
> > >> Cindy Hamilton
> > >
> > >What's your point?
> >
> > They're not very popular... and that 2.1 % includes golf carts.
>
> Okay, so they're not popular. That's not going to change the future. The current range of electric vehicles and availability still kinda sucks. That's not going to change the future either.
>
> https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/e...hevy-tesla-vw/

My point was that you were banging on about electric cars 10 years ago
and they still have only 2.1% market share.

I won't get one until it can support AWD so I can drive in snow.

Cindy Hamilton

dsi1 wrote:

> On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 7:21:53 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> > On Sat, 29 Jun 2019 04:36:34 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 12:22:41 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >>
> > >> The market share of electric vehicles in the U.S. is 2.1%.
> > >>
> > >> Cindy Hamilton
> > >
> > >What's your point?
> >
> > They're not very popular... and that 2.1 % includes golf carts.
>
> Okay, so they're not popular. That's not going to change the future. The current range of electric vehicles and availability still kinda sucks. That's not going to change the future either.
>
> https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/e...hevy-tesla-vw/


Outside of dense urban areas, the future for widespread use of electric vehicles is about as bright as the chance that we'll have flying cars, use monorails, or taking vacations on Mars...

Electric vehicles - with a few exceptions, I see many Prius cabs, frex - in the USA are about as viable an option as "high - speed rail" or "light rail", e.g. not much chance at all of widespread consumer acceptance soon...so a boondoggle IMNSHO...

--
Best
Greg

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 2:00:06 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 7:21:53 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> > > On Sat, 29 Jun 2019 04:36:34 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 12:22:41 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> The market share of electric vehicles in the U.S. is 2.1%.
> > > >>
> > > >> Cindy Hamilton
> > > >
> > > >What's your point?
> > >
> > > They're not very popular... and that 2.1 % includes golf carts.
> >
> > Okay, so they're not popular. That's not going to change the future. The current range of electric vehicles and availability still kinda sucks. That's not going to change the future either.
> >
> > https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/e...hevy-tesla-vw/
>
> My point was that you were banging on about electric cars 10 years ago
> and they still have only 2.1% market share.
>
> I won't get one until it can support AWD so I can drive in snow.


There ya go...and with a battery that is not sapped by cold temps, too..

--
Best
Greg

On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 8:27:08 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 2:00:06 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 7:21:53 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> > > On Sat, 29 Jun 2019 04:36:34 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 12:22:41 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> The market share of electric vehicles in the U.S. is 2.1%.
> > > >>
> > > >> Cindy Hamilton
> > > >
> > > >What's your point?
> > >
> > > They're not very popular... and that 2.1 % includes golf carts.
> >
> > Okay, so they're not popular. That's not going to change the future. The current range of electric vehicles and availability still kinda sucks. That's not going to change the future either.
> >
> > https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/e...hevy-tesla-vw/
>
> My point was that you were banging on about electric cars 10 years ago
> and they still have only 2.1% market share.
>
> I won't get one until it can support AWD so I can drive in snow.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

What you should have noticed is that things are changing in your hometown.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKBN1F30YZ

On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 3:07:13 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 8:27:08 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 2:00:06 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 7:21:53 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 29 Jun 2019 04:36:34 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 12:22:41 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The market share of electric vehicles in the U.S. is 2.1%.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Cindy Hamilton
> > > > >
> > > > >What's your point?
> > > >
> > > > They're not very popular... and that 2.1 % includes golf carts.
> > >
> > > Okay, so they're not popular. That's not going to change the future. The current range of electric vehicles and availability still kinda sucks. That's not going to change the future either.
> > >
> > > https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/e...hevy-tesla-vw/
> >
> > My point was that you were banging on about electric cars 10 years ago
> > and they still have only 2.1% market share.
> >
> > I won't get one until it can support AWD so I can drive in snow.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> What you should have noticed is that things are changing in your hometown.
>
> https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKBN1F30YZ

I wish them well. I won't buy an American car, and I have no plans to
replace either of my Toyotas.

Cindy Hamilton

On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 8:31:40 AM UTC-10, GM wrote:

>
> Outside of dense urban areas, the future for widespread use of electric vehicles is about as bright as the chance that we'll have flying cars, use monorails, or taking vacations on Mars...
>
> Electric vehicles - with a few exceptions, I see many Prius cabs, frex - in the USA are about as viable an option as "high - speed rail" or "light rail", e.g. not much chance at all of widespread consumer acceptance soon...so a boondoggle IMNSHO...
>
> --
> Best
> Greg


Monorails and vacations on Mars - that's just plain silly. Flying cars? The answer to that is obvious. Just do the math. Autonomous control of vehicles + drone transportation + electric aircraft propulsion = flying cars.

This rock is building a light rail system. It's the most expensive public works project in this state's history. My guess is that it's mostly a way for a few people to grab a lot of kala. My guess it'll be obsolete a couple of seconds after autonomous vehicles become the norm.

Ain't she pretty though?

https://skift.com/wp-content/uploads...122910248.jpeg

On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 9:19:06 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 3:07:13 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 8:27:08 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 2:00:06 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 7:21:53 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, 29 Jun 2019 04:36:34 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 12:22:41 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> The market share of electric vehicles in the U.S. is 2.1%.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Cindy Hamilton
> > > > > >
> > > > > >What's your point?
> > > > >
> > > > > They're not very popular... and that 2.1 % includes golf carts.
> > > >
> > > > Okay, so they're not popular. That's not going to change the future. The current range of electric vehicles and availability still kinda sucks. That's not going to change the future either.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/e...hevy-tesla-vw/
> > >
> > > My point was that you were banging on about electric cars 10 years ago
> > > and they still have only 2.1% market share.
> > >
> > > I won't get one until it can support AWD so I can drive in snow.
> > >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > What you should have noticed is that things are changing in your hometown.
> >
> > https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKBN1F30YZ
>
> I wish them well. I won't buy an American car, and I have no plans to
> replace either of my Toyotas.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

I've been trying to ease my daddy into a nice Toyota or Hyundai but he only buys Chrysler! His current car is a Dodge Journey. Otherwise, he's a good daddy.

On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 8:37:56 AM UTC-10, GM wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 2:00:06 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 7:21:53 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 29 Jun 2019 04:36:34 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 12:22:41 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The market share of electric vehicles in the U.S. is 2.1%.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Cindy Hamilton
> > > > >
> > > > >What's your point?
> > > >
> > > > They're not very popular... and that 2.1 % includes golf carts.
> > >
> > > Okay, so they're not popular. That's not going to change the future. The current range of electric vehicles and availability still kinda sucks. That's not going to change the future either.
> > >
> > > https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/e...hevy-tesla-vw/
> >
> > My point was that you were banging on about electric cars 10 years ago
> > and they still have only 2.1% market share.
> >
> > I won't get one until it can support AWD so I can drive in snow.
>
>
> There ya go...and with a battery that is not sapped by cold temps, too..
>
> --
> Best
> Greg

4 wheel drive? That's easy - just add a second motor! Easy as pie. No need for any power transfer box or long drive shaft. The flexibility of an electric drive-train is remarkable. A car can be pretty much anything you want it to be simply by changing the control box program. You can get a high torque monster or a high mileage grocery getter or anywhere in between by a software change. Heck, why not have both at the same time?

On Sat, 29 Jun 2019 11:37:53 -0700 (PDT), GM
> wrote:

>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 2:00:06 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 7:21:53 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
>> > > On Sat, 29 Jun 2019 04:36:34 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> > > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >On Saturday, June 29, 2019 at 12:22:41 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> The market share of electric vehicles in the U.S. is 2.1%.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Cindy Hamilton
>> > > >
>> > > >What's your point?
>> > >
>> > > They're not very popular... and that 2.1 % includes golf carts.
>> >
>> > Okay, so they're not popular. That's not going to change the future. The current range of electric vehicles and availability still kinda sucks. That's not going to change the future either.
>> >
>> > https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/e...hevy-tesla-vw/
>>
>> My point was that you were banging on about electric cars 10 years ago
>> and they still have only 2.1% market share.
>>
>> I won't get one until it can support AWD so I can drive in snow.
>
>
>There ya go...and with a battery that is not sapped by cold temps, too..

NYC Rapid Transit has been mostly electric for as long as I can
remember; subways, buses, and trollys, but over the years it became
too problematidc to maintain electric buses and trollys so now only
subways are electric. NYC once had many commercial electric delivery
vehicles but they also became too costly to maintain so were phased
out... horse drawn carts were more efficient. I remember my mom
sending me out to sweep up buckets of horse manure for her garden...
also to collect dropped coal for the furnace.
I seriouly doubt that private electric vehicles will become a mode of
transportation , they are prohibititly expensive to purchase and even
more expensive to maintain. The only way electric transportation can
become useful is if it's a mass transportation system. in high density
population area.