Nor real sure if this is off topic or not since it kinda does not have
much to do with cooking or recipes, just mainly coffee brands, blends,
and roasts


Here in my opinion are the worst coffee on the planet, let me know if
you agree. In no particular order

Mcdonalds coffee (any fast food coffee for that matter this does not
include diners such as IHOP and waffle house)

foldgers

any brand any type of instant coffee (that stuff should be illegal)

Maxwell House

Nescafe

Hills brothers



Coffee that is just ok (I will drink it if nothing else is around and
if I can find it in whole bean)

Starbucks

Community

Diner coffee (I will not drink it but I have had it in the past)

Eight O'Clock

Lavazzaa


Coffee I like and/or buy regularly

Trader Joes whole bean

Gevalia Whole bean

Brothers Gourmet whole bean (not sure if they are still around)

Please rate the brands that you have tried especially if it is not on
my list.

--


"There are idiots among us, and they all believe in a god"
~Toidi Uoy

On 4/2/2019 1:41 PM, wrote:
> Nor real sure if this is off topic or not since it kinda does not have
> much to do with cooking or recipes, just mainly coffee brands, blends,
> and roasts
>
>
> Here in my opinion are the worst coffee on the planet, let me know if
> you agree. In no particular order
>
> Mcdonalds coffee (any fast food coffee for that matter this does not
> include diners such as IHOP and waffle house)
>
> foldgers
>
> any brand any type of instant coffee (that stuff should be illegal)
>
> Maxwell House
>
> Nescafe
>
> Hills brothers
>
>
>
> Coffee that is just ok (I will drink it if nothing else is around and
> if I can find it in whole bean)
>
> Starbucks
>
> Community
>
> Diner coffee (I will not drink it but I have had it in the past)
>
> Eight O'Clock
>
> Lavazzaa
>
>
> Coffee I like and/or buy regularly
>
> Trader Joes whole bean
>
> Gevalia Whole bean
>
> Brothers Gourmet whole bean (not sure if they are still around)
>
> Please rate the brands that you have tried especially if it is not on
> my list.
>
> --
>
>
> "There are idiots among us, and they all believe in a god"
> ~Toidi Uoy

Â* I blend 2 varieties of 8 O'Clock beans and grind it fresh for every
pot . The blend is half dark italian espresso and half usually columbian
peaks but sometimes just original roast . I very seldom drink coffee out
.. Usually , as my friend Wally says , "You can taste the water thru it." .

--
Snag
Yes , I'm old
and crochety - and armed .
Get outta my woods !

On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 14:04:58 -0500, Terry Coombs >
wrote:

>On 4/2/2019 1:41 PM, wrote:
>> Nor real sure if this is off topic or not since it kinda does not have
>> much to do with cooking or recipes, just mainly coffee brands, blends,
>> and roasts
>>
>>
>> Here in my opinion are the worst coffee on the planet, let me know if
>> you agree. In no particular order
>>
>> Mcdonalds coffee (any fast food coffee for that matter this does not
>> include diners such as IHOP and waffle house)
>>
>> foldgers
>>
>> any brand any type of instant coffee (that stuff should be illegal)
>>
>> Maxwell House
>>
>> Nescafe
>>
>> Hills brothers
>>
>>
>>
>> Coffee that is just ok (I will drink it if nothing else is around and
>> if I can find it in whole bean)
>>
>> Starbucks
>>
>> Community
>>
>> Diner coffee (I will not drink it but I have had it in the past)
>>
>> Eight O'Clock
>>
>> Lavazzaa
>>
>>
>> Coffee I like and/or buy regularly
>>
>> Trader Joes whole bean
>>
>> Gevalia Whole bean
>>
>> Brothers Gourmet whole bean (not sure if they are still around)
>>
>> Please rate the brands that you have tried especially if it is not on
>> my list.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> "There are idiots among us, and they all believe in a god"
>> ~Toidi Uoy
>
> * I blend 2 varieties of 8 O'Clock beans and grind it fresh for every
>pot . The blend is half dark italian espresso and half usually columbian
>peaks but sometimes just original roast . I very seldom drink coffee out
>. Usually , as my friend Wally says , "You can taste the water thru it." .

That is a very good description. That is how I say McDolands coffee
is, a dark colored water with sugar and cream.

I used to buy the big bags of 8 o'clock but I dont remember the blend.
I always got the big bag because it was the only whole bean offered.

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 3:55:17 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>
> I used to buy the big bags of 8 o'clock but I dont remember the blend.
> I always got the big bag because it was the only whole bean offered.
>
My local Kroger offers the regular size whole bean bags of Eight O'clock coffee.
But for the larger size, I can only find that at WallyWorld.

On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 8:41:23 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> Nor real sure if this is off topic or not since it kinda does not have
> much to do with cooking or recipes, just mainly coffee brands, blends,
> and roasts
>
>
> Here in my opinion are the worst coffee on the planet, let me know if
> you agree. In no particular order
>
> Mcdonalds coffee (any fast food coffee for that matter this does not
> include diners such as IHOP and waffle house)
>
> foldgers
>
> any brand any type of instant coffee (that stuff should be illegal)
>
> Maxwell House
>
> Nescafe
>
> Hills brothers
>
>
>
> Coffee that is just ok (I will drink it if nothing else is around and
> if I can find it in whole bean)
>
> Starbucks
>
> Community
>
> Diner coffee (I will not drink it but I have had it in the past)
>
> Eight O'Clock
>
> Lavazzaa
>
>
> Coffee I like and/or buy regularly
>
> Trader Joes whole bean
>
> Gevalia Whole bean
>
> Brothers Gourmet whole bean (not sure if they are still around)
>
> Please rate the brands that you have tried especially if it is not on
> my list.
>
> --
>
>
> "There are idiots among us, and they all believe in a god"
> ~Toidi Uoy

Most of the coffee served on this rock is not very good. If I had a restaurant that served breakfast, I'd have a guy whose main job was QC for the coffee. It's that important. I used to have an office next to a fast food restaurant that started serving great coffee. It was wonderful working in a place where great coffee is available anytime you want it. I drank my share of it because I knew it wasn't going to last. Eventually they went to a different supplier or the conditions of the coffee supply chain changed and they started serving plain old regular bad coffee again.

OTOH, I'm going to be drinking coffee even if it's a mediocre brew because the reality is that taste in not the primary concern of mine.

On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 2:14:13 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 8:41:23 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> > Nor real sure if this is off topic or not since it kinda does not have
> > much to do with cooking or recipes, just mainly coffee brands, blends,
> > and roasts
> >
> >
> > Here in my opinion are the worst coffee on the planet, let me know if
> > you agree. In no particular order
> >
> > Mcdonalds coffee (any fast food coffee for that matter this does not
> > include diners such as IHOP and waffle house)
> >
> > foldgers
> >
> > any brand any type of instant coffee (that stuff should be illegal)
> >
> > Maxwell House
> >
> > Nescafe
> >
> > Hills brothers
> >
> >
> >
> > Coffee that is just ok (I will drink it if nothing else is around and
> > if I can find it in whole bean)
> >
> > Starbucks
> >
> > Community
> >
> > Diner coffee (I will not drink it but I have had it in the past)
> >
> > Eight O'Clock
> >
> > Lavazzaa
> >
> >
> > Coffee I like and/or buy regularly
> >
> > Trader Joes whole bean
> >
> > Gevalia Whole bean
> >
> > Brothers Gourmet whole bean (not sure if they are still around)
> >
> > Please rate the brands that you have tried especially if it is not on
> > my list.
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > "There are idiots among us, and they all believe in a god"
> > ~Toidi Uoy
>
> Most of the coffee served on this rock is not very good. ...

That's because PEOPLE don't know HOW to brew a DECENT Cuppa!

Rules:

1. Get good coffee
2. DO NOT BOIL COFFEE!!!
3. Make GOOD COFFEE STRONG ENUF!!
4. For an EXTRA TREAT, add one good squirt of CBD Oil and one DAB Hershey's SYRUP!

And I call that my Cuppa PLUS! :-)

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and GOOD COFFEE KIND-O-SEWER!

On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:39:54 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 2:14:13 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 8:41:23 AM UTC-10, wrote:
>> > Nor real sure if this is off topic or not since it kinda does not have
>> > much to do with cooking or recipes, just mainly coffee brands, blends,
>> > and roasts
>> >
>> >
>> > Here in my opinion are the worst coffee on the planet, let me know if
>> > you agree. In no particular order
>> >
>> > Mcdonalds coffee (any fast food coffee for that matter this does not
>> > include diners such as IHOP and waffle house)
>> >
>> > foldgers
>> >
>> > any brand any type of instant coffee (that stuff should be illegal)
>> >
>> > Maxwell House
>> >
>> > Nescafe
>> >
>> > Hills brothers
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Coffee that is just ok (I will drink it if nothing else is around and
>> > if I can find it in whole bean)
>> >
>> > Starbucks
>> >
>> > Community
>> >
>> > Diner coffee (I will not drink it but I have had it in the past)
>> >
>> > Eight O'Clock
>> >
>> > Lavazzaa
>> >
>> >
>> > Coffee I like and/or buy regularly
>> >
>> > Trader Joes whole bean
>> >
>> > Gevalia Whole bean
>> >
>> > Brothers Gourmet whole bean (not sure if they are still around)
>> >
>> > Please rate the brands that you have tried especially if it is not on
>> > my list.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> > "There are idiots among us, and they all believe in a god"
>> > ~Toidi Uoy
>>
>> Most of the coffee served on this rock is not very good. ...
>
>That's because PEOPLE don't know HOW to brew a DECENT Cuppa!
>
>Rules:
>
>1. Get good coffee

dependant on the person.. what is good the south American blends or
the African blends?
>2. DO NOT BOIL COFFEE!!!

yes coffee served too hot (such as mcdonalds) is basically just crap
and water

>3. Make GOOD COFFEE STRONG ENUF!!

Coffee does not ever need to be "strong" to be a good coffee. The
"strength of the coffee should never be too strong or too weak. It
should be right in the middle. When a coffee is too strong it becomes
bitter and just tastes bad (starbucks does this). The people who want
their coffees like that are not drinking coffee to enjoy a cup They
want their fix, and caffeine is all that is available and legal.

>4. For an EXTRA TREAT, add one good squirt of CBD Oil and one DAB Hershey's SYRUP!

Now I will agree on the chocolate, however it is not good for every
cup... maybe once or twice a week..

>
>And I call that my Cuppa PLUS! :-)
>
>John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and GOOD COFFEE KIND-O-SEWER!

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 4:04:32 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:39:54 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
....
>
> >4. For an EXTRA TREAT, add one good squirt of CBD Oil and one DAB Hershey's SYRUP!
>
> Now I will agree on the chocolate, however it is not good for every
> cup... maybe once or twice a week..
>
> >
> >And I call that my Cuppa PLUS! :-)
> >
> >John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and GOOD COFFEE KIND-O-SEWER!
>
> --
>
> ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

I have 4-5 Cuppa Plus' a day!

I'm a serious coffee drinker, ever since my donut shop daze as you can imagine!!

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Serious Coffee Drinker!

On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 14:56:03 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 4:04:32 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:39:54 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>...
>>
>> >4. For an EXTRA TREAT, add one good squirt of CBD Oil and one DAB Hershey's SYRUP!
>>
>> Now I will agree on the chocolate, however it is not good for every
>> cup... maybe once or twice a week..
>>
>> >
>> >And I call that my Cuppa PLUS! :-)
>> >
>> >John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and GOOD COFFEE KIND-O-SEWER!
>>
>> --
>>
>> ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____
>
>I have 4-5 Cuppa Plus' a day!
>

I meant chocolate just every so often.... I mean for me it would ruin
the experience of having chocolate in it every time.....

Although I have experimented.. sometimes a drop of vanilla or use a
vanilla soy, I have even put mint leaves with it... that was not all
that good lol
>I'm a serious coffee drinker, ever since my donut shop daze as you can imagine!!
>
>John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Serious Coffee Drinker!

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

On Tue, 02 Apr 2019 16:04:25 -0500,
wrote:


>Coffee does not ever need to be "strong" to be a good coffee. The
>"strength of the coffee should never be too strong or too weak. It
>should be right in the middle. When a coffee is too strong it becomes
>bitter and just tastes bad

LOL.

On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 9:39:57 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 2:14:13 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 8:41:23 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> > > Nor real sure if this is off topic or not since it kinda does not have
> > > much to do with cooking or recipes, just mainly coffee brands, blends,
> > > and roasts
> > >
> > >
> > > Here in my opinion are the worst coffee on the planet, let me know if
> > > you agree. In no particular order
> > >
> > > Mcdonalds coffee (any fast food coffee for that matter this does not
> > > include diners such as IHOP and waffle house)
> > >
> > > foldgers
> > >
> > > any brand any type of instant coffee (that stuff should be illegal)
> > >
> > > Maxwell House
> > >
> > > Nescafe
> > >
> > > Hills brothers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Coffee that is just ok (I will drink it if nothing else is around and
> > > if I can find it in whole bean)
> > >
> > > Starbucks
> > >
> > > Community
> > >
> > > Diner coffee (I will not drink it but I have had it in the past)
> > >
> > > Eight O'Clock
> > >
> > > Lavazzaa
> > >
> > >
> > > Coffee I like and/or buy regularly
> > >
> > > Trader Joes whole bean
> > >
> > > Gevalia Whole bean
> > >
> > > Brothers Gourmet whole bean (not sure if they are still around)
> > >
> > > Please rate the brands that you have tried especially if it is not on
> > > my list.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > > "There are idiots among us, and they all believe in a god"
> > > ~Toidi Uoy
> >
> > Most of the coffee served on this rock is not very good. ...
>
> That's because PEOPLE don't know HOW to brew a DECENT Cuppa!
>
> Rules:
>
> 1. Get good coffee
> 2. DO NOT BOIL COFFEE!!!
> 3. Make GOOD COFFEE STRONG ENUF!!
> 4. For an EXTRA TREAT, add one good squirt of CBD Oil and one DAB Hershey's SYRUP!
>
> And I call that my Cuppa PLUS! :-)
>
> John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and GOOD COFFEE KIND-O-SEWER!

I think the reason it's hard to get a great cup of coffee is that the beans have a very short lifespan between being roasted and when it's brewed. Most coffee is brewed outside of that window. This assumes that the beans are of good quality.

On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 16:36:40 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 9:39:57 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 2:14:13 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 8:41:23 AM UTC-10, wrote:
>> > > Nor real sure if this is off topic or not since it kinda does not have
>> > > much to do with cooking or recipes, just mainly coffee brands, blends,
>> > > and roasts
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Here in my opinion are the worst coffee on the planet, let me know if
>> > > you agree. In no particular order
>> > >
>> > > Mcdonalds coffee (any fast food coffee for that matter this does not
>> > > include diners such as IHOP and waffle house)
>> > >
>> > > foldgers
>> > >
>> > > any brand any type of instant coffee (that stuff should be illegal)
>> > >
>> > > Maxwell House
>> > >
>> > > Nescafe
>> > >
>> > > Hills brothers
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Coffee that is just ok (I will drink it if nothing else is around and
>> > > if I can find it in whole bean)
>> > >
>> > > Starbucks
>> > >
>> > > Community
>> > >
>> > > Diner coffee (I will not drink it but I have had it in the past)
>> > >
>> > > Eight O'Clock
>> > >
>> > > Lavazzaa
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Coffee I like and/or buy regularly
>> > >
>> > > Trader Joes whole bean
>> > >
>> > > Gevalia Whole bean
>> > >
>> > > Brothers Gourmet whole bean (not sure if they are still around)
>> > >
>> > > Please rate the brands that you have tried especially if it is not on
>> > > my list.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "There are idiots among us, and they all believe in a god"
>> > > ~Toidi Uoy
>> >
>> > Most of the coffee served on this rock is not very good. ...
>>
>> That's because PEOPLE don't know HOW to brew a DECENT Cuppa!
>>
>> Rules:
>>
>> 1. Get good coffee
>> 2. DO NOT BOIL COFFEE!!!
>> 3. Make GOOD COFFEE STRONG ENUF!!
>> 4. For an EXTRA TREAT, add one good squirt of CBD Oil and one DAB Hershey's SYRUP!
>>
>> And I call that my Cuppa PLUS! :-)
>>
>> John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and GOOD COFFEE KIND-O-SEWER!
>
>I think the reason it's hard to get a great cup of coffee is that the beans have a very short lifespan between being roasted and when it's brewed. Most coffee is brewed outside of that window. This assumes that the beans are of good quality.


very true, this is why it is important to always buy whole bean coffee
and then freeze the beans until ready to grind, at least that is what
I do...

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

On 4/2/2019 8:34 PM, wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 16:36:40 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 9:39:57 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 2:14:13 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 8:41:23 AM UTC-10, wrote:
>>>>> Nor real sure if this is off topic or not since it kinda does not have
>>>>> much to do with cooking or recipes, just mainly coffee brands, blends,
>>>>> and roasts
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here in my opinion are the worst coffee on the planet, let me know if
>>>>> you agree. In no particular order
>>>>>
>>>>> Mcdonalds coffee (any fast food coffee for that matter this does not
>>>>> include diners such as IHOP and waffle house)
>>>>>
>>>>> foldgers
>>>>>
>>>>> any brand any type of instant coffee (that stuff should be illegal)
>>>>>
>>>>> Maxwell House
>>>>>
>>>>> Nescafe
>>>>>
>>>>> Hills brothers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Coffee that is just ok (I will drink it if nothing else is around and
>>>>> if I can find it in whole bean)
>>>>>
>>>>> Starbucks
>>>>>
>>>>> Community
>>>>>
>>>>> Diner coffee (I will not drink it but I have had it in the past)
>>>>>
>>>>> Eight O'Clock
>>>>>
>>>>> Lavazzaa
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Coffee I like and/or buy regularly
>>>>>
>>>>> Trader Joes whole bean
>>>>>
>>>>> Gevalia Whole bean
>>>>>
>>>>> Brothers Gourmet whole bean (not sure if they are still around)
>>>>>
>>>>> Please rate the brands that you have tried especially if it is not on
>>>>> my list.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "There are idiots among us, and they all believe in a god"
>>>>> ~Toidi Uoy
>>>> Most of the coffee served on this rock is not very good. ...
>>> That's because PEOPLE don't know HOW to brew a DECENT Cuppa!
>>>
>>> Rules:
>>>
>>> 1. Get good coffee
>>> 2. DO NOT BOIL COFFEE!!!
>>> 3. Make GOOD COFFEE STRONG ENUF!!
>>> 4. For an EXTRA TREAT, add one good squirt of CBD Oil and one DAB Hershey's SYRUP!
>>>
>>> And I call that my Cuppa PLUS! :-)
>>>
>>> John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and GOOD COFFEE KIND-O-SEWER!
>> I think the reason it's hard to get a great cup of coffee is that the beans have a very short lifespan between being roasted and when it's brewed. Most coffee is brewed outside of that window. This assumes that the beans are of good quality.
>
> very true, this is why it is important to always buy whole bean coffee
> and then freeze the beans until ready to grind, at least that is what
> I do...
>
> --
>
> ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

Actually , freezing the beans is not a good thing . Every time you pull
them out to get some they condense a small amount of moisture . Over
time this will degrade the coffee . Now keeping the package sealed is
another thing , that keeps the oils from evaporating or oxidizing . When
I blend my coffee I do it 400 gm at a time into a Tupperware container .
The rest stays in the foil/plastic bag with all the air squeezed out .
That Tupper container is opened about every 4th day to refill the
grinder hopper .

--
Snag
Yes , I'm old
and crochety - and armed .
Get outta my woods !

On Tue, 02 Apr 2019 20:34:29 -0500,
wrote:


>very true, this is why it is important to always buy whole bean coffee
>and then freeze the beans until ready to grind, at least that is what
>I do...

Unfortunately, freezing beans doesn't help much at all unless you can
freeze at some insanely low temperature (I can't recall the
temperature but it's way below the capabilities of domestic and even
commercial refrigeration. Beans can also absorb smells and flavours
from other foods stored in the freezer.

The main things is to keep beans away from light, oxygen and moisture
in an *airtight* container at room temperature (for us mere mortals).

On 4/2/2019 3:12 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>
> Most of the coffee served on this rock is not very good. If I had a restaurant that served breakfast, I'd have a guy whose main job was QC for the coffee. It's that important. I used to have an office next to a fast food restaurant that started serving great coffee. It was wonderful working in a place where great coffee is available anytime you want it. I drank my share of it because I knew it wasn't going to last. Eventually they went to a different supplier or the conditions of the coffee supply chain changed and they started serving plain old regular bad coffee again.
>
> OTOH, I'm going to be drinking coffee even if it's a mediocre brew because the reality is that taste in not the primary concern of mine.
>

But you guys grow some of the best. I just got a couple of pounds of
Kona from Cea, who used to post here. www.smithfarms.com

I would think many of you would demand decent coffee, but I guess price
is more important to the restaurants.

On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 16:20:45 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 4/2/2019 3:12 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>>
>> Most of the coffee served on this rock is not very good. If I had a restaurant that served breakfast, I'd have a guy whose main job was QC for the coffee. It's that important. I used to have an office next to a fast food restaurant that started serving great coffee. It was wonderful working in a place where great coffee is available anytime you want it. I drank my share of it because I knew it wasn't going to last. Eventually they went to a different supplier or the conditions of the coffee supply chain changed and they started serving plain old regular bad coffee again.
>>
>> OTOH, I'm going to be drinking coffee even if it's a mediocre brew because the reality is that taste in not the primary concern of mine.
>>
>
>But you guys grow some of the best. I just got a couple of pounds of
>Kona from Cea, who used to post here. www.smithfarms.com
>
>I would think many of you would demand decent coffee, but I guess price
>is more important to the restaurants.

That's also why people buy industry meat and pesticide ridden
vegetables from supermarkets. And then they go to RFC to talk about
how to cook that stuff.

On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 3:20:49 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/2/2019 3:12 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >
> > Most of the coffee served on this rock is not very good. If I had a restaurant that served breakfast, I'd have a guy whose main job was QC for the coffee. It's that important. I used to have an office next to a fast food restaurant that started serving great coffee. It was wonderful working in a place where great coffee is available anytime you want it. I drank my share of it because I knew it wasn't going to last. Eventually they went to a different supplier or the conditions of the coffee supply chain changed and they started serving plain old regular bad coffee again.
> >
> > OTOH, I'm going to be drinking coffee even if it's a mediocre brew because the reality is that taste in not the primary concern of mine.
> >
>
> But you guys grow some of the best. I just got a couple of pounds of
> Kona from Cea, who used to post here. www.smithfarms.com
>
> I would think many of you would demand decent coffee, but I guess price
> is more important to the restaurants.

I get my coffee freshly roasted here in STL:

www.starrs1.com

I like the Sumatran, 11.99/lb, I get two lb stacks and say Stuff Em Full! It will ALL get drank!

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist, etc.

On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 10:20:49 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/2/2019 3:12 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >
> > Most of the coffee served on this rock is not very good. If I had a restaurant that served breakfast, I'd have a guy whose main job was QC for the coffee. It's that important. I used to have an office next to a fast food restaurant that started serving great coffee. It was wonderful working in a place where great coffee is available anytime you want it. I drank my share of it because I knew it wasn't going to last. Eventually they went to a different supplier or the conditions of the coffee supply chain changed and they started serving plain old regular bad coffee again.
> >
> > OTOH, I'm going to be drinking coffee even if it's a mediocre brew because the reality is that taste in not the primary concern of mine.
> >
>
> But you guys grow some of the best. I just got a couple of pounds of
> Kona from Cea, who used to post here. www.smithfarms.com
>
> I would think many of you would demand decent coffee, but I guess price
> is more important to the restaurants.

Kona does make for a very smooth brew. I used to a contact to get some of that stuff from a small farm. It was just some beautiful beans - every single one was a perfect bean. I think a lot of coffee drinkers would say that 100% Kona is too smooth for them.

I like a Vietnamese brand of coffee. It's as smooth as Kona with a wonderful chocolate note. I later found out it was a processed, flavored, coffee. My guess is that it's somehow processed with oil - it's a wonderful process and Trung Nguyen is a unique coffee.

I like the Smithfarms site - it looks handmade and that's entirely appropriate for a small coffee farm like that. I can't say if they actually do everything with such personal attention but the site sure gives that impression.. I love that they call their coffee the "tastiest caffeine delivery system on the planet!"

On Tue, 02 Apr 2019 13:41:16 -0500,
wrote:

>Nor real sure if this is off topic or not since it kinda does not have
>much to do with cooking or recipes, just mainly coffee brands, blends,
>and roasts
>
>
>Here in my opinion are the worst coffee on the planet,

Planet?

>let me know if
>you agree. In no particular order
>
>Mcdonalds coffee (any fast food coffee for that matter this does not
>include diners such as IHOP and waffle house)

Of course. Impossible for such a business model to have decent coffee.

>any brand any type of instant coffee (that stuff should be illegal)

Any instant coffee is by default awful.

>Coffee that is just ok (I will drink it if nothing else is around and
>if I can find it in whole bean)
>
>Starbucks

Starbucks is just awful - no matter where the store may be in the
world. Bland and without character.

Last year I discovered the joys of Vietnamese coffee:
https://postimg.cc/MfHNM50g Never thought I'd like a coffee with
condensed milk, but it's just heavenly. Their coffee is of the Robusta
type (very high in caffeine, so be warned) and roasted in a particular
way. So it has a distinctive taste and much thicker than normal
coffee. I have found it almost impossible outside Vietnam to get an
authentic and properly made version of this coffee. I really miss it.

Vietnamese egg coffee is pretty awesome too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PC_bg9k9xU

On 2019-04-02 7:02 p.m., Je�us wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Apr 2019 13:41:16 -0500,
> wrote:
>
>> Nor real sure if this is off topic or not since it kinda does not have
>> much to do with cooking or recipes, just mainly coffee brands, blends,
>> and roasts
>>
>>
>> Here in my opinion are the worst coffee on the planet,
>
> Planet?
>
>> let me know if
>> you agree. In no particular order
>>
>> Mcdonalds coffee (any fast food coffee for that matter this does not
>> include diners such as IHOP and waffle house)

I may beg to differ. As much as I disparage McD's food<?>, their coffee
really improved a lot. I have posted here about picking some up on a
road trip a couple years and how my wife and I agreed that it was
excellent. It was significant that my wife agreed heartily because we
had had to car pool for a while and since I started work so much earlier
she would stop at McDs for breakfast. She hated their coffee and would
stop at Hortons. After several warnings about bringing Hortons coffee
into McDs they kicked her out.




>> Coffee that is just ok (I will drink it if nothing else is around and
>> if I can find it in whole bean)
>>
>> Starbucks
>
> Starbucks is just awful - no matter where the store may be in the
> world. Bland and without character.

I have had some decent coffee at Starbucks. It is better than most
franchised coffee shops, but not really worth the money. I get much
better coffee at the corner bakery/coffee shop. They have fair trade
coffee and have three choices each day, one being flavoured. They also
do espresso, latte, cappuccino and all those foofoo coffee drinks. Unlke
$tarbucks, they have an impressive assortment muffins, scones, cookies
and squares.



> Last year I discovered the joys of Vietnamese coffee:
> https://postimg.cc/MfHNM50g Never thought I'd like a coffee with
> condensed milk, but it's just heavenly. Their coffee is of the Robusta
> type (very high in caffeine, so be warned) and roasted in a particular
> way. So it has a distinctive taste and much thicker than normal
> coffee. I have found it almost impossible outside Vietnam to get an
> authentic and properly made version of this coffee. I really miss it.

I was quite impressed with Vietnamese style coffee when I had it. I
usually drink coffee black, so the sweetened condensed milk added
something I am not used to. The first time I had it was after dinner,
and I was awake until about 4 am.

On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 1:39:10 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2019-04-02 7:02 p.m., Je�us wrote:
> > On Tue, 02 Apr 2019 13:41:16 -0500,
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Nor real sure if this is off topic or not since it kinda does not have
> >> much to do with cooking or recipes, just mainly coffee brands, blends,
> >> and roasts
> >>
> >>
> >> Here in my opinion are the worst coffee on the planet,
> >
> > Planet?
> >
> >> let me know if
> >> you agree. In no particular order
> >>
> >> Mcdonalds coffee (any fast food coffee for that matter this does not
> >> include diners such as IHOP and waffle house)
>
> I may beg to differ. As much as I disparage McD's food<?>, their coffee
> really improved a lot. I have posted here about picking some up on a
> road trip a couple years and how my wife and I agreed that it was
> excellent. It was significant that my wife agreed heartily because we
> had had to car pool for a while and since I started work so much earlier
> she would stop at McDs for breakfast. She hated their coffee and would
> stop at Hortons. After several warnings about bringing Hortons coffee
> into McDs they kicked her out.
>
>
>
>
> >> Coffee that is just ok (I will drink it if nothing else is around and
> >> if I can find it in whole bean)
> >>
> >> Starbucks
> >
> > Starbucks is just awful - no matter where the store may be in the
> > world. Bland and without character.
>
> I have had some decent coffee at Starbucks. It is better than most
> franchised coffee shops, but not really worth the money. I get much
> better coffee at the corner bakery/coffee shop. They have fair trade
> coffee and have three choices each day, one being flavoured. They also
> do espresso, latte, cappuccino and all those foofoo coffee drinks. Unlke
> $tarbucks, they have an impressive assortment muffins, scones, cookies
> and squares.
>
>
>
> > Last year I discovered the joys of Vietnamese coffee:
> > https://postimg.cc/MfHNM50g Never thought I'd like a coffee with
> > condensed milk, but it's just heavenly. Their coffee is of the Robusta
> > type (very high in caffeine, so be warned) and roasted in a particular
> > way. So it has a distinctive taste and much thicker than normal
> > coffee. I have found it almost impossible outside Vietnam to get an
> > authentic and properly made version of this coffee. I really miss it.
>
> I was quite impressed with Vietnamese style coffee when I had it. I
> usually drink coffee black, so the sweetened condensed milk added
> something I am not used to. The first time I had it was after dinner,
> and I was awake until about 4 am.

I think you're right about that. McDonald's quality control is probably the highest in the food industry. It's not great coffee but it's a lot better than the restaurants I've been going to. These restaurants/coffee shops do a lot of business serving breakfast. The food's pretty good and yet they will serve it with a substandard cup of coffee. That's something that I cannot wrap my brain around.

On 2019-04-02 7:50 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 1:39:10 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:

>> I was quite impressed with Vietnamese style coffee when I had it.
>> I usually drink coffee black, so the sweetened condensed milk
>> added something I am not used to. The first time I had it was after
>> dinner, and I was awake until about 4 am.
>
> I think you're right about that. McDonald's quality control is
> probably the highest in the food industry. It's not great coffee but
> it's a lot better than the restaurants I've been going to. These
> restaurants/coffee shops do a lot of business serving breakfast. The
> food's pretty good and yet they will serve it with a substandard cup
> of coffee. That's something that I cannot wrap my brain around.
>

To be perfectly honest, i had been hearing people saying how good it
was. Given my experiences with McDs, I was reluctant to try it, but one
day I was supposed to go hiking with a friend. I was early and there was
a McDs nearby, so I tried it. It was better than it used to be. The
next time I tried it was about two years later and I don' know if they
had improved the beans, the grind or the machine, but it was really
good. I left on a high note. I have not had it again since.

On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 19:41:16 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2019-04-02 7:02 p.m., Je?us wrote:
>> On Tue, 02 Apr 2019 13:41:16 -0500,
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nor real sure if this is off topic or not since it kinda does not have
>>> much to do with cooking or recipes, just mainly coffee brands, blends,
>>> and roasts
>>>
>>>
>>> Here in my opinion are the worst coffee on the planet,
>>
>> Planet?
>>
>>> let me know if
>>> you agree. In no particular order
>>>
>>> Mcdonalds coffee (any fast food coffee for that matter this does not
>>> include diners such as IHOP and waffle house)
>
>I may beg to differ. As much as I disparage McD's food<?>, their coffee
>really improved a lot. I have posted here about picking some up on a
>road trip a couple years and how my wife and I agreed that it was
>excellent.

So McDonalds coffee isn't bad because a couple of years ago you had an
excellent cup of coffee from McDonalds.

And the world was never the same again.

On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 19:41:16 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2019-04-02 7:02 p.m., Je?us wrote:
>> On Tue, 02 Apr 2019 13:41:16 -0500,
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nor real sure if this is off topic or not since it kinda does not have
>>> much to do with cooking or recipes, just mainly coffee brands, blends,
>>> and roasts
>>>
>>>
>>> Here in my opinion are the worst coffee on the planet,
>>
>> Planet?
>>
>>> let me know if
>>> you agree. In no particular order
>>>
>>> Mcdonalds coffee (any fast food coffee for that matter this does not
>>> include diners such as IHOP and waffle house)
>
>I may beg to differ. As much as I disparage McD's food<?>, their coffee
>really improved a lot. I have posted here about picking some up on a
>road trip a couple years and how my wife and I agreed that it was
>excellent. It was significant that my wife agreed heartily because we
>had had to car pool for a while and since I started work so much earlier
>she would stop at McDs for breakfast. She hated their coffee and would
>stop at Hortons. After several warnings about bringing Hortons coffee
>into McDs they kicked her out.
>
>
>
>
>>> Coffee that is just ok (I will drink it if nothing else is around and
>>> if I can find it in whole bean)
>>>
>>> Starbucks
>>
>> Starbucks is just awful - no matter where the store may be in the
>> world. Bland and without character.
>
>I have had some decent coffee at Starbucks. It is better than most
>franchised coffee shops, but not really worth the money. I get much
>better coffee at the corner bakery/coffee shop. They have fair trade
>coffee and have three choices each day, one being flavoured. They also
>do espresso, latte, cappuccino and all those foofoo coffee drinks. Unlke
>$tarbucks, they have an impressive assortment muffins, scones, cookies
>and squares.
>
>
>
>> Last year I discovered the joys of Vietnamese coffee:
>> https://postimg.cc/MfHNM50g Never thought I'd like a coffee with
>> condensed milk, but it's just heavenly. Their coffee is of the Robusta
>> type (very high in caffeine, so be warned) and roasted in a particular
>> way. So it has a distinctive taste and much thicker than normal
>> coffee. I have found it almost impossible outside Vietnam to get an
>> authentic and properly made version of this coffee. I really miss it.
>
>I was quite impressed with Vietnamese style coffee when I had it. I
>usually drink coffee black, so the sweetened condensed milk added
>something I am not used to.

I don't have a sweet tooth, but I do love it with the Vietnamese
coffee. It's quite a strong, bitter coffee because they use Robusta
beans. It compliments it so well and gives it a thick consistency.
They also do a version with egg yolk, which may sound bizarre but is
also delicious.


> The first time I had it was after dinner,
>and I was awake until about 4 am.

LOL, yes. It's probably the strongest coffee I've ever had. But it
tastes so damned good. 1 cup is enough, when I have two I'm buzzing
for a couple of hours.

On 2019-04-02 8:09 p.m., Je�us wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 19:41:16 -0400, Dave Smith

>> I was quite impressed with Vietnamese style coffee when I had it. I
>> usually drink coffee black, so the sweetened condensed milk added
>> something I am not used to.
>
> I don't have a sweet tooth, but I do love it with the Vietnamese
> coffee. It's quite a strong, bitter coffee because they use Robusta
> beans. It compliments it so well and gives it a thick consistency.
> They also do a version with egg yolk, which may sound bizarre but is
> also delicious.
>

Between the SCM and that powerful coffee there is a lot of good flavour.
I wish there as some way to do it without that sweetness.
>
>> The first time I had it was after dinner,
>> and I was awake until about 4 am.
>
> LOL, yes. It's probably the strongest coffee I've ever had. But it
> tastes so damned good. 1 cup is enough, when I have two I'm buzzing
> for a couple of hours.

I wish I had known about that stuff when I used to have to work midnight
shifts. I could have had one coffee very early in the shift and I would
have been buzzed all night. There are times when I have had trouble
sleeping because I had too much coffee or had it too late in the
evening, but this was early evening, about 6:30, and it worked hours
longer than coffee has ever lasted on me before.

On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 3:10:48 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2019-04-02 8:09 p.m., Je�us wrote:
> > On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 19:41:16 -0400, Dave Smith
>
> >> I was quite impressed with Vietnamese style coffee when I had it. I
> >> usually drink coffee black, so the sweetened condensed milk added
> >> something I am not used to.
> >
> > I don't have a sweet tooth, but I do love it with the Vietnamese
> > coffee. It's quite a strong, bitter coffee because they use Robusta
> > beans. It compliments it so well and gives it a thick consistency.
> > They also do a version with egg yolk, which may sound bizarre but is
> > also delicious.
> >
>
> Between the SCM and that powerful coffee there is a lot of good flavour.
> I wish there as some way to do it without that sweetness.
> >
> >> The first time I had it was after dinner,
> >> and I was awake until about 4 am.
> >
> > LOL, yes. It's probably the strongest coffee I've ever had. But it
> > tastes so damned good. 1 cup is enough, when I have two I'm buzzing
> > for a couple of hours.
>
> I wish I had known about that stuff when I used to have to work midnight
> shifts. I could have had one coffee very early in the shift and I would
> have been buzzed all night. There are times when I have had trouble
> sleeping because I had too much coffee or had it too late in the
> evening, but this was early evening, about 6:30, and it worked hours
> longer than coffee has ever lasted on me before.

I love condensed milk but that stuff gives me diarrhea. My guess is that it's the same with other Asians. That's the mystery of Vietnamese coffee. I asked the VN guy at work but he skirted the issue and I never got a straight answer. My guess is that those guys have built up an immunity to condensed milk by drinking the stuff regularly. The food researchers should be studying this medical mystery.

On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 21:10:44 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2019-04-02 8:09 p.m., Je?us wrote:
>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 19:41:16 -0400, Dave Smith
>
>>> I was quite impressed with Vietnamese style coffee when I had it. I
>>> usually drink coffee black, so the sweetened condensed milk added
>>> something I am not used to.
>>
>> I don't have a sweet tooth, but I do love it with the Vietnamese
>> coffee. It's quite a strong, bitter coffee because they use Robusta
>> beans. It compliments it so well and gives it a thick consistency.
>> They also do a version with egg yolk, which may sound bizarre but is
>> also delicious.
>>
>
>Between the SCM and that powerful coffee there is a lot of good flavour.
>I wish there as some way to do it without that sweetness.

Evaporated milk is the same as condensed milk, but without the sugar:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaporated_milk

On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 7:13:10 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 19:41:16 -0400, Dave Smith
....
> >
> >I was quite impressed with Vietnamese style coffee when I had it. I
> >usually drink coffee black, so the sweetened condensed milk added
> >something I am not used to.
>
> I don't have a sweet tooth, but I do love it with the Vietnamese
> coffee. It's quite a strong, bitter coffee because they use Robusta
> beans. It compliments it so well and gives it a thick consistency.
> They also do a version with egg yolk, which may sound bizarre but is
> also delicious.
>
>
> > The first time I had it was after dinner,
> >and I was awake until about 4 am.
>
> LOL, yes. It's probably the strongest coffee I've ever had. But it
> tastes so damned good. 1 cup is enough, when I have two I'm buzzing
> for a couple of hours.

Now THAT sounds like MY KINDA COFFEE! BUZZING COFFEE! Mmmmm!! :-)

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Fan-O-Buzzing-Coffee!

On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 19:08:23 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 7:13:10 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 19:41:16 -0400, Dave Smith
>...
>> >
>> >I was quite impressed with Vietnamese style coffee when I had it. I
>> >usually drink coffee black, so the sweetened condensed milk added
>> >something I am not used to.
>>
>> I don't have a sweet tooth, but I do love it with the Vietnamese
>> coffee. It's quite a strong, bitter coffee because they use Robusta
>> beans. It compliments it so well and gives it a thick consistency.
>> They also do a version with egg yolk, which may sound bizarre but is
>> also delicious.
>>
>>
>> > The first time I had it was after dinner,
>> >and I was awake until about 4 am.
>>
>> LOL, yes. It's probably the strongest coffee I've ever had. But it
>> tastes so damned good. 1 cup is enough, when I have two I'm buzzing
>> for a couple of hours.
>
>Now THAT sounds like MY KINDA COFFEE! BUZZING COFFEE! Mmmmm!! :-)

It'll definitely wake you up, because the beans are from Robusta
instead of the more common Arabica in the West. Much more caffeine.
https://enjoyjava.com/robusta-coffee/

On 4/2/2019 12:41 PM, wrote:

> any brand any type of instant coffee (that stuff should be illegal)

Then you are NOT a "Serious coffee" drinker.

I roasted my own bean fer yrs. Specifically, decaf. I've roasted
almost every type of decaf bean imaginable. You know what they all
lack? Body!

The only decaf I ever found that had any body was Taster's Choice Decaf.
I used it fer yrs in cooking. The only reason I don't use it anymore,
is it's made by Nestle's, which I now boycott.

nb

On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 09:04:52 -0600, notbob > wrote:

>On 4/2/2019 12:41 PM, wrote:
>
>> any brand any type of instant coffee (that stuff should be illegal)
>
>Then you are NOT a "Serious coffee" drinker.
>
>I roasted my own bean fer yrs. Specifically, decaf. I've roasted
>almost every type of decaf bean imaginable. You know what they all
>lack? Body!
>
>The only decaf I ever found that had any body was Taster's Choice Decaf.
> I used it fer yrs in cooking. The only reason I don't use it anymore,
>is it's made by Nestle's, which I now boycott.
>
>nb


Yes I am well aware that decaf sucks, and I am sorry if you have a
physical problem that will not allow you to drink the regular stuff.
Although I do want to say that you do know that the decaf does still
have some caffeine in it right?

so you are saying that because I know that instant coffee is a mix of
chemicals and crap with a little coffee in it and that it tastes
horrible that I am not a serious coffee drinker?

Or are you saying that tasters choice is just good coffee?

Sorry I just dont like the taste of decaf or freeze dried coffee

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 5:29:25 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 09:04:52 -0600, notbob > wrote:
>
> >On 4/2/2019 12:41 PM, wrote:
> >
> >> any brand any type of instant coffee (that stuff should be illegal)
> >
> >Then you are NOT a "Serious coffee" drinker.
> >
> >I roasted my own bean fer yrs. Specifically, decaf. I've roasted
> >almost every type of decaf bean imaginable. You know what they all
> >lack? Body!
> >
> >The only decaf I ever found that had any body was Taster's Choice Decaf.
> > I used it fer yrs in cooking. The only reason I don't use it anymore,
> >is it's made by Nestle's, which I now boycott.
> >
> >nb
>
>
> Yes I am well aware that decaf sucks, and I am sorry if you have a
> physical problem that will not allow you to drink the regular stuff.
> Although I do want to say that you do know that the decaf does still
> have some caffeine in it right?
>
> so you are saying that because I know that instant coffee is a mix of
> chemicals and crap with a little coffee in it and that it tastes
> horrible that I am not a serious coffee drinker?
>
> Or are you saying that tasters choice is just good coffee?
>
> Sorry I just dont like the taste of decaf or freeze dried coffee
>
> --
>
> ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

Most coffee drinkers are serious about coffee in the way that junkies are serious about heroin. We get a little cranky if we don't get our fix. When we were in the UK, we found out that the Brits aren't very serious about their coffee drinking. They didn't provide coffee machines in the places we were staying so we drank a lot of instant coffee. Praise the Lord for instant coffee! My brother-in-law and I would be drinking that stuff in the morning while looking at maps and planning the day. You can bet your ass we was serious coffee drinkers.

I make coffee in a french press.

On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 7:10:20 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> I make coffee in a french press.

I've heard very good things about the French Press! :-) Never tried one.

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Suspect?

On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 18:26:00 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 7:10:20 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>> I make coffee in a french press.
>
>I've heard very good things about the French Press! :-) Never tried one.
>
>John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Suspect?

They are messy and are a pain in the butt... the flavor is no
different than a drip machine.

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

> wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 18:26:00 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> > wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 7:10:20 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>>> I make coffee in a french press.
>>
>> I've heard very good things about the French Press! :-) Never tried one.
>>
>> John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Suspect?
>
> They are messy and are a pain in the butt... the flavor is no
> different than a drip machine.
>
> --
>
> ____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____
>

I'm not a huge fan but they do taste different as they let more oils
through than filter would, it's a 'dirtier' cup of coffee that is likely to
leave a few grounds inside.

I prefer manual drip (chemex) for my daily fix. I just pick up filter and
throw it out, easy.

I make coffee with an espresso machine

On Thursday, April 4, 2019 at 7:50:05 AM UTC-10, tert in seattle wrote:
> I make coffee with an espresso machine

I had some coffee at a restaurant yesterday that was pretty good. I'm drinking some great coffee now. It makes me happy. I made it.

My son was in Seattle/Washington/Oregon last week. He brought home some t-shirts for the family. I got a bottle of stuff called "umami." I tried it on a pizza. As far as that goes, you might as well stick MSG or grated Parmesan in a bottle and label it "umami."

tert in seattle > wrote:
> I make coffee with an espresso machine
>
>

My issue with those are maintenance, having to control water hardness, and
cost. Cheap machines don't get up high enough in pressure to make proper
espresso.

I prepare using two methods usually, manual drip with a chemex or vacuum
pot with an antique Cona III.

I prefer vacuum pot but it's tricky to get the grind just right to get it
to drain down at the right rate and it uses an alcohol lamp. It's probably
the cleanest cup though as the only thing the coffee and water touch is
glass (well I guess air). No cloth, paper, or metal to filter it.
Temperature is perfectly held.

I like percolator coffee ok.