On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 1:41:41 PM UTC-6, Jill McQuown wrote:
>
> On 12/18/2018 12:27 AM, wrote:
> >>
> > I went to her site, and oh heavens, every recipe, to me, simply sucks. I
> > am so glad my local PBS station does not buy her program.
> >
> I had to watch because I am a little curious about what vegans think is
> so much better than what us regular folks eat. Trust me, the next time
> one of her shows aired I changed the channel.
>
> Jill
>
I was either reading on her site or just the internet in general about her.
She does not drink milk or a-n-y dairy products nor eggs. She seems to think
an ALL plant based diet is best for herself but I find it funny they want that
full dairy, meat, eggs, etc. experience without consuming those products. It
makes me wonder how many vitamins and supplements she consumes daily in an
attempt to stay healthy?

She's a jazz singer, too. I can't say I impressed by her voice either.

On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 11:59:15 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 1:41:41 PM UTC-6, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>
>> On 12/18/2018 12:27 AM, wrote:
>> >>
>> > I went to her site, and oh heavens, every recipe, to me, simply sucks. I
>> > am so glad my local PBS station does not buy her program.
>> >
>> I had to watch because I am a little curious about what vegans think is
>> so much better than what us regular folks eat. Trust me, the next time
>> one of her shows aired I changed the channel.
>>
>> Jill
>>
>I was either reading on her site or just the internet in general about her.
>She does not drink milk or a-n-y dairy products nor eggs.

That's like saying: "He's a teetotaller. And he doesn't drink whiskey
either!"

>She seems to think
>an ALL plant based diet is best for herself

Or she wouldn't be a vegan.

>but I find it funny they want that
>full dairy, meat, eggs, etc. experience without consuming those products.

I don't eat meat, but I like it and I like food that gives me a
similar flavour. Is that so illogical?

>It makes me wonder how many vitamins and supplements she consumes daily in an
>attempt to stay healthy?

Maybe the main thing she'll have to supplement is calcium.

>She's a jazz singer, too. I can't say I impressed by her voice either.

lol

On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 2:20:40 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 11:59:15 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
> >I was either reading on her site or just the internet in general about her.
> >She does not drink milk or a-n-y dairy products nor eggs.
>
> That's like saying: "He's a teetotaller. And he doesn't drink whiskey
> either!"
>
Some folks will eat cheese but not touch milk in its' original form.
>
> >She seems to think
> >an ALL plant based diet is best for herself
>
> Or she wouldn't be a vegan.
>
Or as Cindy stated:
"They don't think their food is better. They think they are
better for eating that way."
>
> >but I find it funny they want that
> >full dairy, meat, eggs, etc. experience without consuming those products.
>
> I don't eat meat, but I like it and I like food that gives me a
> similar flavour. Is that so illogical?
>
Yes, it is.
>
> >It makes me wonder how many vitamins and supplements she consumes daily in an
> >attempt to stay healthy?
>
> Maybe the main thing she'll have to supplement is calcium.
>
> >She's a jazz singer, too. I can't say I impressed by her voice either.
>
> lol

On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 13:49:02 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 2:20:40 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 11:59:15 -0800 (PST), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >I was either reading on her site or just the internet in general about her.
>> >She does not drink milk or a-n-y dairy products nor eggs.
>>
>> That's like saying: "He's a teetotaller. And he doesn't drink whiskey
>> either!"
>>
>Some folks will eat cheese but not touch milk in its' original form.

A vegan won't touch either.

>> >She seems to think
>> >an ALL plant based diet is best for herself
>>
>> Or she wouldn't be a vegan.
>>
>Or as Cindy stated:
>"They don't think their food is better. They think they are
>better for eating that way."

They are. Their food doesn't require animal suffering. How can that
not be better?

>> >but I find it funny they want that
>> >full dairy, meat, eggs, etc. experience without consuming those products.
>>
>> I don't eat meat, but I like it and I like food that gives me a
>> similar flavour. Is that so illogical?
>>
>Yes, it is.

If I could eat something close to chicken livers, lamb chops, chicken
thighs etc etc that didn't involve animal suffering, I'd be all over
it.

On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 4:08:26 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 13:49:02 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
> >Or as Cindy stated:
> >"They don't think their food is better. They think they are
> >better for eating that way."
>
> They are. Their food doesn't require animal suffering. How can that
> not be better?
>
How is milking a cow, which relieves the pressure in their udder, cause
suffering? NOT milking the cow DOES cause her suffering. How is gathering
eggs causing suffering?
>
> >> >but I find it funny they want that
> >> >full dairy, meat, eggs, etc. experience without consuming those products.
> >>
> >> I don't eat meat, but I like it and I like food that gives me a
> >> similar flavour. Is that so illogical?
> >>
> >Yes, it is.
>
> If I could eat something close to chicken livers, lamb chops, chicken
> thighs etc etc that didn't involve animal suffering, I'd be all over
> it.
>
Maybe someday they'll make some plant based chicken livers, lamb chops,
chicken thighs etc. etc.

On 12/18/2018 5:27 PM, wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 4:08:26 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 13:49:02 -0800 (PST), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Or as Cindy stated:
>>> "They don't think their food is better. They think they are
>>> better for eating that way."
>>
>> They are. Their food doesn't require animal suffering. How can that
>> not be better?
>>
> How is milking a cow, which relieves the pressure in their udder, cause
> suffering? NOT milking the cow DOES cause her suffering. How is gathering
> eggs causing suffering?
>>
>>>>> but I find it funny they want that
>>>>> full dairy, meat, eggs, etc. experience without consuming those products.
>>>>
>>>> I don't eat meat, but I like it and I like food that gives me a
>>>> similar flavour. Is that so illogical?
>>>>
>>> Yes, it is.
>>
>> If I could eat something close to chicken livers, lamb chops, chicken
>> thighs etc etc that didn't involve animal suffering, I'd be all over
>> it.
>>
> Maybe someday they'll make some plant based chicken livers, lamb chops,
> chicken thighs etc. etc.
>
They already make soy based "sausage" and burgers. Just look up
Morningstar Farms or Boca Burgers. I've actually tried these products
so I know they don't taste anything like meat. And the list of
ingredients is really way out there. So many chemicals I can't possibly
believe it would be healthier than pork sausage patties or a nice juicy
ground chuck burger.

Jill

On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 17:37:48 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 12/18/2018 5:27 PM, wrote:

>> Maybe someday they'll make some plant based chicken livers, lamb chops,
>> chicken thighs etc. etc.
>>
>They already make soy based "sausage" and burgers. Just look up
>Morningstar Farms or Boca Burgers. I've actually tried these products
>so I know they don't taste anything like meat. And the list of
>ingredients is really way out there. So many chemicals I can't possibly
>believe it would be healthier than pork sausage patties or a nice juicy
>ground chuck burger.

True. You have to choose well or you're eating Frankenfood.

Interesting to see that suddenly the ingredient list matters, by the
way

On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 14:27:13 -0800 (PST), "
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 4:08:26 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> They are. Their food doesn't require animal suffering. How can that
>> not be better?
>>
>How is milking a cow, which relieves the pressure in their udder, cause
>suffering?

I don't think cows naturally produce milk all their lives.

>NOT milking the cow DOES cause her suffering. How is gathering
>eggs causing suffering?

The way they're housed, the fate of the roosters and the fate of the
hens after their production goes down. That's where the suffering is.
Same with the dairy cows.

>> >> >but I find it funny they want that
>> >> >full dairy, meat, eggs, etc. experience without consuming those products.
>> >>
>> >> I don't eat meat, but I like it and I like food that gives me a
>> >> similar flavour. Is that so illogical?
>> >>
>> >Yes, it is.
>>
>> If I could eat something close to chicken livers, lamb chops, chicken
>> thighs etc etc that didn't involve animal suffering, I'd be all over
>> it.
>>
>Maybe someday they'll make some plant based chicken livers, lamb chops,
>chicken thighs etc. etc.

I'd love it. I can already get Asian gluten "meat". For a non meat
eater that's not bad at all.

On 12/18/2018 5:27 PM, wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 4:08:26 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 13:49:02 -0800 (PST), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Or as Cindy stated:
>>> "They don't think their food is better. They think they are
>>> better for eating that way."
>>
>> They are. Their food doesn't require animal suffering. How can that
>> not be better?
>>
> How is milking a cow, which relieves the pressure in their udder, cause
> suffering? NOT milking the cow DOES cause her suffering. How is gathering
> eggs causing suffering?
>>

Animals produce milk to feed their young, as do humans. One weaned, the
milk production stops. Cows are forced to keep producing. I have no
idea if it causes pain, but it is not natural.

On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 20:22:17 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 12/18/2018 5:27 PM, wrote:
>> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 4:08:26 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 13:49:02 -0800 (PST), "
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Or as Cindy stated:
>>>> "They don't think their food is better. They think they are
>>>> better for eating that way."
>>>
>>> They are. Their food doesn't require animal suffering. How can that
>>> not be better?
>>>
>> How is milking a cow, which relieves the pressure in their udder, cause
>> suffering? NOT milking the cow DOES cause her suffering. How is gathering
>> eggs causing suffering?
>>>
>
>Animals produce milk to feed their young, as do humans. One weaned, the
>milk production stops. Cows are forced to keep producing. I have no
>idea if it causes pain, but it is not natural.

Thank you. I can't believe Joan and Jill thought cows would naturally
be walking around with exploding udders if people didn't milk them.

In article >, says...
>
> On 12/18/2018 5:27 PM, wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 4:08:26 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 13:49:02 -0800 (PST), "
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Or as Cindy stated:
> >>> "They don't think their food is better. They think they are
> >>> better for eating that way."
> >>
> >> They are. Their food doesn't require animal suffering. How can that
> >> not be better?
> >>
> > How is milking a cow, which relieves the pressure in their udder, cause
> > suffering? NOT milking the cow DOES cause her suffering. How is gathering
> > eggs causing suffering?
> >>
>
> Animals produce milk to feed their young, as do humans. One weaned, the
> milk production stops. Cows are forced to keep producing. I have no
> idea if it causes pain, but it is not natural.

Ask any lactating human mother separated from her baby.
Yes, "full to bursting" IS bloody painful.

Janet UK.

On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 5:27:16 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 4:08:26 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 13:49:02 -0800 (PST), "
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >Or as Cindy stated:
> > >"They don't think their food is better. They think they are
> > >better for eating that way."
> >
> > They are. Their food doesn't require animal suffering. How can that
> > not be better?
> >
> How is milking a cow, which relieves the pressure in their udder, cause
> suffering? NOT milking the cow DOES cause her suffering. How is gathering
> eggs causing suffering?

If people didn't use milk, the cow would produce only enough for her
calf. Plus, there would be a lot fewer cows.

Pretty much the same thing for eggs.

Cindy Hamilton

Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 13:49:02 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 2:20:40 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 11:59:15 -0800 (PST), "
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was either reading on her site or just the internet in general about her.
>>>> She does not drink milk or a-n-y dairy products nor eggs.
>>>
>>> That's like saying: "He's a teetotaller. And he doesn't drink whiskey
>>> either!"
>>>
>> Some folks will eat cheese but not touch milk in its' original form.
>
> A vegan won't touch either.
>
>>>> She seems to think
>>>> an ALL plant based diet is best for herself
>>>
>>> Or she wouldn't be a vegan.
>>>
>> Or as Cindy stated:
>> "They don't think their food is better. They think they are
>> better for eating that way."
>
> They are. Their food doesn't require animal suffering. How can that
> not be better?
>
>>>> but I find it funny they want that
>>>> full dairy, meat, eggs, etc. experience without consuming those products.
>>>
>>> I don't eat meat, but I like it and I like food that gives me a
>>> similar flavour. Is that so illogical?
>>>
>> Yes, it is.
>
> If I could eat something close to chicken livers, lamb chops, chicken
> thighs etc etc that didn't involve animal suffering, I'd be all over
> it.
>

There's all kinds of vegetarian products, look for morningstar. I think
they sell vegetarian meat.

On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 18:06:48 -0600, Hank Rogers >
wrote:

>Bruce wrote:

>> If I could eat something close to chicken livers, lamb chops, chicken
>> thighs etc etc that didn't involve animal suffering, I'd be all over
>> it.
>>
>There's all kinds of vegetarian products, look for morningstar. I think
>they sell vegetarian meat.

I know. Most of them are science projects, though. I only know Lamyong
that make nice fake meat:
<http://www.lamyong.com.au/shop/images/BVD800.jpg>

On 12/18/2018 2:59 PM, wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 1:41:41 PM UTC-6, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>
>> On 12/18/2018 12:27 AM, wrote:
>>>>
>>> I went to her site, and oh heavens, every recipe, to me, simply sucks. I
>>> am so glad my local PBS station does not buy her program.
>>>
>> I had to watch because I am a little curious about what vegans think is
>> so much better than what us regular folks eat. Trust me, the next time
>> one of her shows aired I changed the channel.
>>
>> Jill
>>
> I was either reading on her site or just the internet in general about her.
> She does not drink milk or a-n-y dairy products nor eggs.

I know some vegans can be extreme but that's what struck me about the
show. I was truly interested in what she thinks makes a good subtitute
for eggs. I'm sorry, but tofu and banana? How is that supposed to work?

What's she got against milk and eggs? I laughed when she was making the
broccoli muffins and mentioned vegan shredded "cheddar cheese" but was
quick to mention it's not cheddar and it's not cheese. WTF is it?! I
can tell you one thing it isn't: appetizing.

> She seems to think
> an ALL plant based diet is best for herself but I find it funny they want that
> full dairy, meat, eggs, etc. experience without consuming those products. It
> makes me wonder how many vitamins and supplements she consumes daily in an
> attempt to stay healthy?
>
Probably lots of them! Except for potassium because she does eat bananas.

> She's a jazz singer, too. I can't say I impressed by her voice either.
>
I had no idea she's a jazz singer. Not really interested in finding out
so no, I won't look her up. I'll just continue to change the channel
when her weird vegan show comes on.

Jill

On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 15:30:02 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 12/18/2018 2:59 PM, wrote:
>>>
>> I was either reading on her site or just the internet in general about her.
>> She does not drink milk or a-n-y dairy products nor eggs.
>
>I know some vegans can be extreme but that's what struck me about the
>show. I was truly interested in what she thinks makes a good subtitute
>for eggs. I'm sorry, but tofu and banana? How is that supposed to work?
>
>What's she got against milk and eggs?

She's a vegan, Sherlock. "What does a teetotaller have against
whiskey?"

>I laughed when she was making the
>broccoli muffins and mentioned vegan shredded "cheddar cheese" but was
>quick to mention it's not cheddar and it's not cheese. WTF is it?! I
>can tell you one thing it isn't: appetizing.

Did you know vegans don't eat cheese, Sherlock?

>> She's a jazz singer, too. I can't say I impressed by her voice either.
>>
>I had no idea she's a jazz singer. Not really interested in finding out
>so no, I won't look her up. I'll just continue to change the channel
>when her weird vegan show comes on.

I don't think McBiddy's part of the target audience.