On 2018-11-21 3:27 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/21/2018 3:20 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> I saw that news report.Â* All I could think was it's a good thing I
>>> don't like lettuce.
>>
>> It is pretty useless stuff. My wife makes salads and I will eat them,
>> mainly for the other stuff in them, but I could live without lettuce.
>>
>>
> Lettuce is a base for the other stuff to mix with.

I would rather have a real Greek salad that any lettuce salad. I cringe
thinking back to the times I naively ordered Greek salads and they came
withe lettuce in them. There is not enough lettuce in a Nicoise salad
to be a problem, or to be missed.


> Sure would hate to be a Romaine lettuce farmer this year though.
> Probably a lot of good stuff wasted.

Maybe I should be paying closer attention to the story, but I am
assuming that, rather than being some sort of epidemic, it is only a
small number of acres or farms affected. There would not be time to
check them all, so they will chuck it all rather than take a chance of
facing a huge lawsuit.

On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 08:24:56 -0800 (PST), GM
> wrote:

>graham wrote:
>
>> On 2018-11-21 9:13 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 10:54:47 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >> On 2018-11-21 10:34 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> >>> On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 08:16:06 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
>> >>>> ...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> CDC says eat no romaine lettuce in any form, anywhere, from no
>> >>>> location. It is not safe to eat.
>> >>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wel...cid=spartandhp
>> >>>> or
>> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/y85p68dq
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Janet US
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ==
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Good warning, thank you! They say it is true of Romaine lettuce
>> >>>> 'everywhere'!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I guess that means here in UK too?
>> >>>
>> >>> sorry, just US and Canada
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> We get lettuce from the US, so when there is a problem with a product in
>> >> the US we have a problem too.
>> >>
>> >> Having driven through the areas where a lot of American fruits and
>> >> vegetables are grown I can understand how the get problems like this.
>> >> The fields are huge. The farmers have trailers with rows of portable
>> >> toilets and they park them at one end of the fields. The pickers are
>> >> likely paid piece work, so there is no money made while they walk a half
>> >> mile to use the toilet, and if they are infected with e coli they aren't
>> >> going to have enough warning to get to the portapotty... so they squat
>> >> and crap in the field.
>> >
>> > In some areas, there's runoff from livestock operations, too. I believe
>> > that's what caused the previous outbreak.
>> >
>> > I probably will buy head lettuce the next time I shop, or Bibb or
>> > leaf lettuce.
>> >
>> > Pity this happened during the winter, or there'd be some hope of
>> > local lettuce.
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>> >
>> The problem could be solved by eating what is in season locally, as we
>> did during my childhood. Salads are for summer!
>
>
>A winter's veg diet of neeps, tatties, onions, and carrots would get *very* old *very* fast, graham...

I used to grow my own romaine, guess I'll need to go back to that. In
this area there are many greenhouse farms... several acre size
greenhouses produce a lot. Lettuce is easy to grow.

On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 3:40:36 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-11-21 3:27 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 11/21/2018 3:20 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >>> I saw that news report.Â* All I could think was it's a good thing I
> >>> don't like lettuce.
> >>
> >> It is pretty useless stuff. My wife makes salads and I will eat them,
> >> mainly for the other stuff in them, but I could live without lettuce.
> >>
> >>
> > Lettuce is a base for the other stuff to mix with.
>
> I would rather have a real Greek salad that any lettuce salad. I cringe
> thinking back to the times I naively ordered Greek salads and they came
> withe lettuce in them. There is not enough lettuce in a Nicoise salad
> to be a problem, or to be missed.

Tastes vary. I occasionally have a salad of nothing but lettuce.

> > Sure would hate to be a Romaine lettuce farmer this year though.
> > Probably a lot of good stuff wasted.
>
> Maybe I should be paying closer attention to the story, but I am
> assuming that, rather than being some sort of epidemic, it is only a
> small number of acres or farms affected. There would not be time to
> check them all, so they will chuck it all rather than take a chance of
> facing a huge lawsuit.

It quite likely is one grower or one processor, but until the source
is identified, better safe than sorry.

Most people have no idea where their lettuce came from. The romaine
that I buy lists an address for the grower, but that's just where
their corporate headquarters are.

Cindy Hamilton

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 3:50:31 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "songbird" wrote in message ...
>
> U.S Janet B wrote:
> >
> > CDC says eat no romaine lettuce in any form, anywhere, from no
> > location. It is not safe to eat.
> >>https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wel...cid=spartandhp
> > or
> > http://tinyurl.com/y85p68dq
>
> yeah,
>
> Mom just brought some home yesterday afternoon for
> making the usual TG salad, but only one head. so i
> talked her into throwing it out as it was only $1.28.
> MI seems to have a lot of cases so better to be safe
> than sorry.
>
>
> songbird
> ==
>
> That's a shame. I only buy Iceberg. We like the crunch and when you put
> on
> your dressing, it doesn't matter about the flavour) Which is none
> btw)

I just bought a head of iceberg. I bought it specifically to wrap my chicken
in. It's some good chicken.

https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/...vSXu6CiJzWOb9h

I made the sauce that you wrote about. It's just wonderful. I have made
shoyu chicken before but it never occured to make sauce out of it before.
Thanks!

===

Which sauce?? Do you mean the one I call, Musubi sauce, with the leeks and
onions??

On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 13:33:11 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 3:40:36 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2018-11-21 3:27 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> > On 11/21/2018 3:20 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I saw that news report.* All I could think was it's a good thing I
>> >>> don't like lettuce.
>> >>
>> >> It is pretty useless stuff. My wife makes salads and I will eat them,
>> >> mainly for the other stuff in them, but I could live without lettuce.
>> >>
>> >>
>> > Lettuce is a base for the other stuff to mix with.
>>
>> I would rather have a real Greek salad that any lettuce salad. I cringe
>> thinking back to the times I naively ordered Greek salads and they came
>> withe lettuce in them. There is not enough lettuce in a Nicoise salad
>> to be a problem, or to be missed.
>
>Tastes vary. I occasionally have a salad of nothing but lettuce.
>
>> > Sure would hate to be a Romaine lettuce farmer this year though.
>> > Probably a lot of good stuff wasted.
>>
>> Maybe I should be paying closer attention to the story, but I am
>> assuming that, rather than being some sort of epidemic, it is only a
>> small number of acres or farms affected. There would not be time to
>> check them all, so they will chuck it all rather than take a chance of
>> facing a huge lawsuit.
>
>It quite likely is one grower or one processor, but until the source
>is identified, better safe than sorry.
>
>Most people have no idea where their lettuce came from. The romaine
>that I buy lists an address for the grower, but that's just where
>their corporate headquarters are.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

They were saying here that it is the hardest ecoli to track with it
being lettuce born. Mostly because by the time the person is affected
and they look at what they ate recently, any lettuce remains are long
gone.

On 2018-11-21 4:33 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 3:40:36 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:

>> I would rather have a real Greek salad that any lettuce salad. I cringe
>> thinking back to the times I naively ordered Greek salads and they came
>> withe lettuce in them. There is not enough lettuce in a Nicoise salad
>> to be a problem, or to be missed.
>
> Tastes vary. I occasionally have a salad of nothing but lettuce.


That is the Honeymoon Salad.... Let us alone.


>
>>> Sure would hate to be a Romaine lettuce farmer this year though.
>>> Probably a lot of good stuff wasted.
>>
>> Maybe I should be paying closer attention to the story, but I am
>> assuming that, rather than being some sort of epidemic, it is only a
>> small number of acres or farms affected. There would not be time to
>> check them all, so they will chuck it all rather than take a chance of
>> facing a huge lawsuit.
>
> It quite likely is one grower or one processor, but until the source
> is identified, better safe than sorry.
>
> Most people have no idea where their lettuce came from. The romaine
> that I buy lists an address for the grower, but that's just where
> their corporate headquarters are.
>

Smart companies keep good records of their sources and sales.

On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 11:46:33 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 3:50:31 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > "songbird" wrote in message ...
> >
> > U.S Janet B wrote:
> > >
> > > CDC says eat no romaine lettuce in any form, anywhere, from no
> > > location. It is not safe to eat.
> > >>https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wel...cid=spartandhp
> > > or
> > > http://tinyurl.com/y85p68dq
> >
> > yeah,
> >
> > Mom just brought some home yesterday afternoon for
> > making the usual TG salad, but only one head. so i
> > talked her into throwing it out as it was only $1.28.
> > MI seems to have a lot of cases so better to be safe
> > than sorry.
> >
> >
> > songbird
> > ==
> >
> > That's a shame. I only buy Iceberg. We like the crunch and when you put
> > on
> > your dressing, it doesn't matter about the flavour) Which is none
> > btw)
>
> I just bought a head of iceberg. I bought it specifically to wrap my chicken
> in. It's some good chicken.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/...vSXu6CiJzWOb9h
>
> I made the sauce that you wrote about. It's just wonderful. I have made
> shoyu chicken before but it never occured to make sauce out of it before.
> Thanks!
>
> ===
>
> Which sauce?? Do you mean the one I call, Musubi sauce, with the leeks and
> onions??

That would be it. It's great!

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 11:46:33 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 3:50:31 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > "songbird" wrote in message ...
> >
> > U.S Janet B wrote:
> > >
> > > CDC says eat no romaine lettuce in any form, anywhere, from no
> > > location. It is not safe to eat.
> > >>https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wel...cid=spartandhp
> > > or
> > > http://tinyurl.com/y85p68dq
> >
> > yeah,
> >
> > Mom just brought some home yesterday afternoon for
> > making the usual TG salad, but only one head. so i
> > talked her into throwing it out as it was only $1.28.
> > MI seems to have a lot of cases so better to be safe
> > than sorry.
> >
> >
> > songbird
> > ==
> >
> > That's a shame. I only buy Iceberg. We like the crunch and when you
> > put
> > on
> > your dressing, it doesn't matter about the flavour) Which is none
> > btw)
>
> I just bought a head of iceberg. I bought it specifically to wrap my
> chicken
> in. It's some good chicken.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/photos/share/...vSXu6CiJzWOb9h
>
> I made the sauce that you wrote about. It's just wonderful. I have made
> shoyu chicken before but it never occured to make sauce out of it before.
> Thanks!
>
> ===
>
> Which sauce?? Do you mean the one I call, Musubi sauce, with the leeks
> and
> onions??

That would be it. It's great!

==

Oh thank you It is very popular with D.

On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 5:13:37 PM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> CDC says eat no romaine lettuce in any form, anywhere, from no
> location. It is not safe to eat.
> >https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wel...cid=spartandhp
> or
> http://tinyurl.com/y85p68dq
>
> Janet US

E. coli? Why heck, that don't sound too bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fjJgPZ13dE

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 5:13:37 PM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> CDC says eat no romaine lettuce in any form, anywhere, from no
> location. It is not safe to eat.
> >https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wel...cid=spartandhp
> or
> http://tinyurl.com/y85p68dq
>
> Janet US

E. coli? Why heck, that don't sound too bad.

==

If any comes my way, I will send it to you

On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 6:12:06 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-11-21 4:33 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 3:40:36 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> >> I would rather have a real Greek salad that any lettuce salad. I cringe
> >> thinking back to the times I naively ordered Greek salads and they came
> >> withe lettuce in them. There is not enough lettuce in a Nicoise salad
> >> to be a problem, or to be missed.
> >
> > Tastes vary. I occasionally have a salad of nothing but lettuce.
>
>
> That is the Honeymoon Salad.... Let us alone.
>
>
> >
> >>> Sure would hate to be a Romaine lettuce farmer this year though.
> >>> Probably a lot of good stuff wasted.
> >>
> >> Maybe I should be paying closer attention to the story, but I am
> >> assuming that, rather than being some sort of epidemic, it is only a
> >> small number of acres or farms affected. There would not be time to
> >> check them all, so they will chuck it all rather than take a chance of
> >> facing a huge lawsuit.
> >
> > It quite likely is one grower or one processor, but until the source
> > is identified, better safe than sorry.
> >
> > Most people have no idea where their lettuce came from. The romaine
> > that I buy lists an address for the grower, but that's just where
> > their corporate headquarters are.
> >
>
> Smart companies keep good records of their sources and sales.

I imagine that they get in a bunch of lettuce from multiple sources,
put it in a big vat of questionably clean water, and don't know which
lettuce came from where when it comes out.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 03:34:53 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 6:12:06 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2018-11-21 4:33 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 3:40:36 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> >> I would rather have a real Greek salad that any lettuce salad. I cringe
>> >> thinking back to the times I naively ordered Greek salads and they came
>> >> withe lettuce in them. There is not enough lettuce in a Nicoise salad
>> >> to be a problem, or to be missed.
>> >
>> > Tastes vary. I occasionally have a salad of nothing but lettuce.
>>
>>
>> That is the Honeymoon Salad.... Let us alone.
>>
>>
>> >
>> >>> Sure would hate to be a Romaine lettuce farmer this year though.
>> >>> Probably a lot of good stuff wasted.
>> >>
>> >> Maybe I should be paying closer attention to the story, but I am
>> >> assuming that, rather than being some sort of epidemic, it is only a
>> >> small number of acres or farms affected. There would not be time to
>> >> check them all, so they will chuck it all rather than take a chance of
>> >> facing a huge lawsuit.
>> >
>> > It quite likely is one grower or one processor, but until the source
>> > is identified, better safe than sorry.
>> >
>> > Most people have no idea where their lettuce came from. The romaine
>> > that I buy lists an address for the grower, but that's just where
>> > their corporate headquarters are.
>> >
>>
>> Smart companies keep good records of their sources and sales.
>
>I imagine that they get in a bunch of lettuce from multiple sources,
>put it in a big vat of questionably clean water, and don't know which
>lettuce came from where when it comes out.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Read The Future of Farming article in the Costco magazine
http://www.costcoconnection.com/conn...ssues&pg=1#pg1

Things are changing.

Not all places dip produce in vats of filth anymore.

Glass house grown produce is the way to go in my view.

Janet US

On Thursday, November 22, 2018 at 9:01:24 AM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 03:34:53 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 6:12:06 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2018-11-21 4:33 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 3:40:36 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> >> I would rather have a real Greek salad that any lettuce salad. I cringe
> >> >> thinking back to the times I naively ordered Greek salads and they came
> >> >> withe lettuce in them. There is not enough lettuce in a Nicoise salad
> >> >> to be a problem, or to be missed.
> >> >
> >> > Tastes vary. I occasionally have a salad of nothing but lettuce.
> >>
> >>
> >> That is the Honeymoon Salad.... Let us alone.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >>> Sure would hate to be a Romaine lettuce farmer this year though.
> >> >>> Probably a lot of good stuff wasted.
> >> >>
> >> >> Maybe I should be paying closer attention to the story, but I am
> >> >> assuming that, rather than being some sort of epidemic, it is only a
> >> >> small number of acres or farms affected. There would not be time to
> >> >> check them all, so they will chuck it all rather than take a chance of
> >> >> facing a huge lawsuit.
> >> >
> >> > It quite likely is one grower or one processor, but until the source
> >> > is identified, better safe than sorry.
> >> >
> >> > Most people have no idea where their lettuce came from. The romaine
> >> > that I buy lists an address for the grower, but that's just where
> >> > their corporate headquarters are.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Smart companies keep good records of their sources and sales.
> >
> >I imagine that they get in a bunch of lettuce from multiple sources,
> >put it in a big vat of questionably clean water, and don't know which
> >lettuce came from where when it comes out.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> Read The Future of Farming article in the Costco magazine
> http://www.costcoconnection.com/conn...ssues&pg=1#pg1
>
> Things are changing.
>
> Not all places dip produce in vats of filth anymore.

Not all, no. But plenty still do, as we continually have outbreaks
of foodborne illness.

> Glass house grown produce is the way to go in my view.

Sure. Meanwhile, I live in the here and now.

I've got a sixpack of romaine hearts in the fridge. I'm thinking
that the $5-6 that I paid for it is a very small amount to waste.

Cindy Hamilton

"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
...

On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 03:34:53 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 6:12:06 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2018-11-21 4:33 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 3:40:36 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> >> I would rather have a real Greek salad that any lettuce salad. I
>> >> cringe
>> >> thinking back to the times I naively ordered Greek salads and they
>> >> came
>> >> withe lettuce in them. There is not enough lettuce in a Nicoise salad
>> >> to be a problem, or to be missed.
>> >
>> > Tastes vary. I occasionally have a salad of nothing but lettuce.
>>
>>
>> That is the Honeymoon Salad.... Let us alone.
>>
>>
>> >
>> >>> Sure would hate to be a Romaine lettuce farmer this year though.
>> >>> Probably a lot of good stuff wasted.
>> >>
>> >> Maybe I should be paying closer attention to the story, but I am
>> >> assuming that, rather than being some sort of epidemic, it is only a
>> >> small number of acres or farms affected. There would not be time to
>> >> check them all, so they will chuck it all rather than take a chance of
>> >> facing a huge lawsuit.
>> >
>> > It quite likely is one grower or one processor, but until the source
>> > is identified, better safe than sorry.
>> >
>> > Most people have no idea where their lettuce came from. The romaine
>> > that I buy lists an address for the grower, but that's just where
>> > their corporate headquarters are.
>> >
>>
>> Smart companies keep good records of their sources and sales.
>
>I imagine that they get in a bunch of lettuce from multiple sources,
>put it in a big vat of questionably clean water, and don't know which
>lettuce came from where when it comes out.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Read The Future of Farming article in the Costco magazine
http://www.costcoconnection.com/conn...ssues&pg=1#pg1

Things are changing.

Not all places dip produce in vats of filth anymore.

Glass house grown produce is the way to go in my view.

Janet US

==

Yes, I have thought that for a long time!

On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 03:34:53 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 6:12:06 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2018-11-21 4:33 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>> > Most people have no idea where their lettuce came from. The romaine
>> > that I buy lists an address for the grower, but that's just where
>> > their corporate headquarters are.
>> >
>>
>> Smart companies keep good records of their sources and sales.
>
>I imagine that they get in a bunch of lettuce from multiple sources,
>put it in a big vat of questionably clean water, and don't know which
>lettuce came from where when it comes out.

LOL You read too much science fiction.

On Thursday, November 22, 2018 at 12:39:13 PM UTC-5, Brice wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 03:34:53 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 6:12:06 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2018-11-21 4:33 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> >> > Most people have no idea where their lettuce came from. The romaine
> >> > that I buy lists an address for the grower, but that's just where
> >> > their corporate headquarters are.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Smart companies keep good records of their sources and sales.
> >
> >I imagine that they get in a bunch of lettuce from multiple sources,
> >put it in a big vat of questionably clean water, and don't know which
> >lettuce came from where when it comes out.
>
> LOL You read too much science fiction.

You don't appear to know much about industrial food production in the U.S.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 12:01:47 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Thursday, November 22, 2018 at 12:39:13 PM UTC-5, Brice wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 03:34:53 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 6:12:06 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >> On 2018-11-21 4:33 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> >> > Most people have no idea where their lettuce came from. The romaine
>> >> > that I buy lists an address for the grower, but that's just where
>> >> > their corporate headquarters are.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Smart companies keep good records of their sources and sales.
>> >
>> >I imagine that they get in a bunch of lettuce from multiple sources,
>> >put it in a big vat of questionably clean water, and don't know which
>> >lettuce came from where when it comes out.
>>
>> LOL You read too much science fiction.
>
>You don't appear to know much about industrial food production in the U.S.

Tit for tat