On 9/20/2018 1:18 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 11:21:36 PM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 15:51:41 -0700 (PDT),
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 at 11:47:11 AM UTC-5, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I hope I never have to replace a part on my vintage large KitchenAid
>>>> stand mixer that was made by Hobart. It's been in regular use for
>>>> decades.
>>>>
>>> They use the same parts as when the company started in the early 1920's.
>>> What fit an early model will fit a modern model and vice versa.
>>
>> Kitchenaid switched to plastic gears in most of the machines in the
>> early 2000's - they used to be metal. And the food grinder
>> attachment (at least) used to be all metal. Now it's mostly
>> plastic.
>>
>> So while the parts may be interchangeable, they're not of the same
>> materials.
>>
>> -sw
>
> Nor the same DURABILITY!!
>
> Today things are made of PLASTICS which are POISONS!! :-(
>
> Kills Ocean Life!! Ever SEE the belly of sea creatures FULL OF LITTLE PLASTIC BITS??!! IT KILLS THEM!! PLASTICS ARE POISONS!!
>
> John Kuthe...
>

Plastic itself is not the problem. It is that many people are careless
slobs that cause the problem. Trash should not be in the ocean, it
should be recycled, burned for energy, or buried in a landfill.

On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 10:38:59 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2018-09-20 10:34 AM, Cheri wrote:
>> "graham" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On 2018-09-20 10:24 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> When we buy bakery bread we don't have them slice it, we slice as
>>>>> needed, a loaf goes in the fridge and lasts us 4-5 days. When we buy
>>>>> packaged sliced bread it's kept in the fridge... if frozen the entire
>>>>> loaf is defrosted in the fridge.
>>>> If I could go through a loaf in 4-5 days I might keep it in the fridge.
>>>
>>> NEVER keep bread in the fridge!
>>
>>
>>
>> Why not?
>>
>> Cheri
>It stales faster.

Faster than???

"U.S. Janet B." wrote:
>
> On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 23:28:53 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 14:32:40 GMT, l not -l wrote:
> >
> >> On 18-Sep-2018, Sqwertz > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Do you have metal replacement gears for the more "modern" KitchenAid
> >>> mixers? :-)
> >>
> >> Sorry; but, I do not. The parts I provision, some newly made, others
> >> recycled, are for Rival and Magic Hostess (metal bodied) meat slicers,
> >> Kitcheneer and Shred-o-matic appliances of the 60s-80s.
> >
> >That seems to ring a bell now. I've always wanted a real meat
> >slicer. You know, 400 RPM with the the automatic shuttle and feeder
> >- kind of like they use (or used) at Arby's back in the dayz. Just
> >set it and forget it!
> >
> >> I assume you have checked the usual suspects, Amazon and eBay. There are
> >> presently beveled gear sets available on eBay, however, they may not be what
> >> you seek. When searching for hard to find parts, I set up an eBay Favorite
> >> Search with email notification, which eventually turns up what I seek.
> >
> >I don't need them ... yet. I just know it's a popular item that
> >people frequently ask for. I used to be able to get them locally at
> >a hardware store here, but that store just went out of business
> >after 80 years. So I suspect I'll need them shortly! <grrr>
> >
> >-sw
> we could go in together on the meat slicer if there wasn't a 1,000
> miles between us

Add me. I've always wanted one even though I know it would be
rarely used. Sure would be nice when I did want one though. I'd
probably use that more often than a meat grinder. Sorry Sheldon!

graham wrote:
>
> On 2018-09-20 10:24 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> >
> >> When we buy bakery bread we don't have them slice it, we slice as
> >> needed, a loaf goes in the fridge and lasts us 4-5 days. When we buy
> >> packaged sliced bread it's kept in the fridge... if frozen the entire
> >> loaf is defrosted in the fridge.
> > If I could go through a loaf in 4-5 days I might keep it in the fridge.
>
> NEVER keep bread in the fridge!

Agree. Whenever I buy a fresh loaf, it stays out room temp for up
to a week. After that, I'll put it in fridge for toast and buy a
new loaf for fresh.

Cheri wrote:
>
> "graham" > wrote in message
> news
> > On 2018-09-20 10:24 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> When we buy bakery bread we don't have them slice it, we slice as
> >>> needed, a loaf goes in the fridge and lasts us 4-5 days. When we buy
> >>> packaged sliced bread it's kept in the fridge... if frozen the entire
> >>> loaf is defrosted in the fridge.
> >> If I could go through a loaf in 4-5 days I might keep it in the fridge.
> >
> > NEVER keep bread in the fridge!
>
> Why not?
>
> Cheri

As old as you are, you should know.

On 2018-09-20 11:09 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 10:32:50 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 2018-09-20 10:24 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> When we buy bakery bread we don't have them slice it, we slice as
>>>> needed, a loaf goes in the fridge and lasts us 4-5 days.Â* When we buy
>>>> packaged sliced bread it's kept in the fridge... if frozen the entire
>>>> loaf is defrosted in the fridge.
>>> If I could go through a loaf in 4-5 days I might keep it in the fridge.
>>
>> NEVER keep bread in the fridge!
>
> don't even bother trying, Graham.
>
I know I shouldn't have bothered but I've a bad cold and don't feel like
doing much except mindlessly swanning about on the computer:-(

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> "U.S. Janet B." wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 23:28:53 -0500, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 14:32:40 GMT, l not -l wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 18-Sep-2018, Sqwertz > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Do you have metal replacement gears for the more "modern" KitchenAid
>> >>> mixers? :-)
>> >>
>> >> Sorry; but, I do not. The parts I provision, some newly made, others
>> >> recycled, are for Rival and Magic Hostess (metal bodied) meat slicers,
>> >> Kitcheneer and Shred-o-matic appliances of the 60s-80s.
>> >
>> >That seems to ring a bell now. I've always wanted a real meat
>> >slicer. You know, 400 RPM with the the automatic shuttle and feeder
>> >- kind of like they use (or used) at Arby's back in the dayz. Just
>> >set it and forget it!
>> >
>> >> I assume you have checked the usual suspects, Amazon and eBay. There
>> >> are
>> >> presently beveled gear sets available on eBay, however, they may not
>> >> be what
>> >> you seek. When searching for hard to find parts, I set up an eBay
>> >> Favorite
>> >> Search with email notification, which eventually turns up what I
>> >> seek.
>> >
>> >I don't need them ... yet. I just know it's a popular item that
>> >people frequently ask for. I used to be able to get them locally at
>> >a hardware store here, but that store just went out of business
>> >after 80 years. So I suspect I'll need them shortly! <grrr>
>> >
>> >-sw
>> we could go in together on the meat slicer if there wasn't a 1,000
>> miles between us
>
> Add me. I've always wanted one even though I know it would be
> rarely used. Sure would be nice when I did want one though. I'd
> probably use that more often than a meat grinder. Sorry Sheldon!


When I worked at the school, I would bring my turkey roasts, hams, etc. to
work and slice them on the big slicer, yes...on my own time, I miss being
able to do that.

Cheri

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "graham" > wrote in message
>> news
>> > On 2018-09-20 10:24 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> When we buy bakery bread we don't have them slice it, we slice as
>> >>> needed, a loaf goes in the fridge and lasts us 4-5 days. When we buy
>> >>> packaged sliced bread it's kept in the fridge... if frozen the entire
>> >>> loaf is defrosted in the fridge.
>> >> If I could go through a loaf in 4-5 days I might keep it in the
>> >> fridge.
>> >
>> > NEVER keep bread in the fridge!
>>
>> Why not?
>>
>> Cheri
>
> As old as you are, you should know.


It's never been a problem for me and I have a whole lot of years to go by.


Cheri

On 2018-09-20 12:56 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "graham" > wrote in message
> news
>> On 2018-09-20 10:34 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> On 2018-09-20 10:24 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> When we buy bakery bread we don't have them slice it, we slice as
>>>>>> needed, a loaf goes in the fridge and lasts us 4-5 days. When we buy
>>>>>> packaged sliced bread it's kept in the fridge... if frozen the entire
>>>>>> loaf is defrosted in the fridge.
>>>>> If I could go through a loaf in 4-5 days I might keep it in the
>>>>> fridge.
>>>>
>>>> NEVER keep bread in the fridge!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why not?
>>>
>>> Cheri
>> It stales faster.
>
>
> OK, but I haven't really found that to be true with the bread I buy, not
> often, but if I leave it out, it molds quickly. I think you mostly make
> your own?
>

I checked on line and the advice was to keep it at room temperature for
a day or two, but to freeze it after that. For the amount of bread that
I use and the time it takes for me to use it up, I just stick it
directly into the freezer. As long as I use it up within a a couple
weeks it is none the worse for wear.

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 1:41:15 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 10:38:59 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
> >On 2018-09-20 10:34 AM, Cheri wrote:
> >> "graham" > wrote in message
> >> news > >>> On 2018-09-20 10:24 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> When we buy bakery bread we don't have them slice it, we slice as
> >>>>> needed, a loaf goes in the fridge and lasts us 4-5 days. When we buy
> >>>>> packaged sliced bread it's kept in the fridge... if frozen the entire
> >>>>> loaf is defrosted in the fridge.
> >>>> If I could go through a loaf in 4-5 days I might keep it in the fridge.
> >>>
> >>> NEVER keep bread in the fridge!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Why not?
> >>
> >> Cheri
> >It stales faster.
>
> Faster than???

Faster than room temperature or freezer.

In case you're interested in the science:
<https://www.thekitchn.com/food-science-how-bread-stales-83062>

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
news
> On 2018-09-20 12:56 PM, Cheri wrote:
>> "graham" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On 2018-09-20 10:34 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>> On 2018-09-20 10:24 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When we buy bakery bread we don't have them slice it, we slice as
>>>>>>> needed, a loaf goes in the fridge and lasts us 4-5 days. When we
>>>>>>> buy
>>>>>>> packaged sliced bread it's kept in the fridge... if frozen the
>>>>>>> entire
>>>>>>> loaf is defrosted in the fridge.
>>>>>> If I could go through a loaf in 4-5 days I might keep it in the
>>>>>> fridge.
>>>>>
>>>>> NEVER keep bread in the fridge!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why not?
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>> It stales faster.
>>
>>
>> OK, but I haven't really found that to be true with the bread I buy, not
>> often, but if I leave it out, it molds quickly. I think you mostly make
>> your own?
>>
>
> I checked on line and the advice was to keep it at room temperature for a
> day or two, but to freeze it after that. For the amount of bread that I
> use and the time it takes for me to use it up, I just stick it directly
> into the freezer. As long as I use it up within a a couple weeks it is
> none the worse for wear.


I do keep it out for a day or so, then into the fridge until used. I've not
noticed it being stale, however I don't eat much bread anymore, so if I do
have bread, it's usually toasted.

Cheri

"Cheri" wrote in message news
"graham" > wrote in message
news
> On 2018-09-20 10:24 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>
>>> When we buy bakery bread we don't have them slice it, we slice as
>>> needed, a loaf goes in the fridge and lasts us 4-5 days. When we buy
>>> packaged sliced bread it's kept in the fridge... if frozen the entire
>>> loaf is defrosted in the fridge.
>> If I could go through a loaf in 4-5 days I might keep it in the fridge.
>
> NEVER keep bread in the fridge!



Why not?

Cheri

==

I make all our bread and I don't eat much, so I put half in the freezer.
I've never thought of putting it in the fridge. It seems to keep ok in the
bread bin until he needs the other half.

On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 11:51:40 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>news
>> On 2018-09-20 12:56 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> On 2018-09-20 10:34 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>>>> news >>>>>> On 2018-09-20 10:24 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When we buy bakery bread we don't have them slice it, we slice as
>>>>>>>> needed, a loaf goes in the fridge and lasts us 4-5 days. When we
>>>>>>>> buy
>>>>>>>> packaged sliced bread it's kept in the fridge... if frozen the
>>>>>>>> entire
>>>>>>>> loaf is defrosted in the fridge.
>>>>>>> If I could go through a loaf in 4-5 days I might keep it in the
>>>>>>> fridge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NEVER keep bread in the fridge!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri
>>>> It stales faster.
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, but I haven't really found that to be true with the bread I buy, not
>>> often, but if I leave it out, it molds quickly. I think you mostly make
>>> your own?
>>>
>>
>> I checked on line and the advice was to keep it at room temperature for a
>> day or two, but to freeze it after that. For the amount of bread that I
>> use and the time it takes for me to use it up, I just stick it directly
>> into the freezer. As long as I use it up within a a couple weeks it is
>> none the worse for wear.
>
>
>I do keep it out for a day or so, then into the fridge until used. I've not
>noticed it being stale, however I don't eat much bread anymore, so if I do
>have bread, it's usually toasted.
>
>Cheri

I don't know if you had a chance to read my post to you about staling,
but by putting your refrigerated bread in the toaster you are
overcoming the chemical staling change that took place. As long as
you toast, you're good

"l not -l" wrote in message ...


On 20-Sep-2018, U.S. Janet B. > wrote:

> On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 23:28:53 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 14:32:40 GMT, l not -l wrote:
> >
> >> On 18-Sep-2018, Sqwertz > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Do you have metal replacement gears for the more "modern" KitchenAid
> >>> mixers? :-)
> >>
> >> Sorry; but, I do not. The parts I provision, some newly made, others
> >> recycled, are for Rival and Magic Hostess (metal bodied) meat slicers,
> >> Kitcheneer and Shred-o-matic appliances of the 60s-80s.
> >
> >That seems to ring a bell now. I've always wanted a real meat
> >slicer. You know, 400 RPM with the the automatic shuttle and feeder
> >- kind of like they use (or used) at Arby's back in the dayz. Just
> >set it and forget it!
> >
> >> I assume you have checked the usual suspects, Amazon and eBay. There
> >> are
> >> presently beveled gear sets available on eBay, however, they may not be
> >> what
> >> you seek. When searching for hard to find parts, I set up an eBay
> >> Favorite
> >> Search with email notification, which eventually turns up what I seek.
> >
> >I don't need them ... yet. I just know it's a popular item that
> >people frequently ask for. I used to be able to get them locally at
> >a hardware store here, but that store just went out of business
> >after 80 years. So I suspect I'll need them shortly! <grrr>
> >
> >-sw
> we could go in together on the meat slicer if there wasn't a 1,000
> miles between us
Well, I'd be willing to join in. Perhaps we three (or more if others join
in) could be the, um, er, uh - Siblinghood of the Traveling Slicer. 8-)

===

LOL Well I have a small one, nothing like the automatic ones you are all
describing

He

http://www.argos.co.uk/product/7078372?cmpid=GS001&_$ja=tsid:59157|acid:480-316-7430|cid:199888833|agid:17471076873|tidla-371198913314|crid:74692319553|nw:g|rnd:14476637261 599762010|dvc:c|adp:1o1|mt:|loc:9046308&gclid=EAIa IQobChMIooXPlqrK3QIV7JPtCh0VdAOGEAQYASABEgLguPD_Bw E

It works fine enough for me and think of all the travelling time you will
save <g>

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 9:10:28 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>
> ==
>
> I make all our bread and I don't eat much, so I put half in the freezer.
> I've never thought of putting it in the fridge. It seems to keep ok in the
> bread bin until he needs the other half.

I'll sometimes put bread in the refrigerator to keep it from getting moldy. Mold is a problem in the tropics so I can appreciate bread that contains a lot of chemicals that suppress that green stuff. I don't mind if the bread is stale. Stale bread I can eat. OTOH, I won't be eating bread for a while..

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 9:10:28 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>
> ==
>
> I make all our bread and I don't eat much, so I put half in the freezer.
> I've never thought of putting it in the fridge. It seems to keep ok in
> the
> bread bin until he needs the other half.

I'll sometimes put bread in the refrigerator to keep it from getting moldy.
Mold is a problem in the tropics so I can appreciate bread that contains a
lot of chemicals that suppress that green stuff. I don't mind if the bread
is stale. Stale bread I can eat. OTOH, I won't be eating bread for a while.

==

Why not?? I make our bread for D because I eat very little. He never
seems to complain.

Cheri wrote:
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> news
>> On 2018-09-20 12:56 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> On 2018-09-20 10:34 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>>>> news >>>>>> On 2018-09-20 10:24 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When we buy bakery bread we don't have them slice it, we slice as
>>>>>>>> needed, a loaf goes in the fridge and lasts us 4-5 days. When
>>>>>>>> we buy
>>>>>>>> packaged sliced bread it's kept in the fridge... if frozen the
>>>>>>>> entire
>>>>>>>> loaf is defrosted in the fridge.
>>>>>>> If I could go through a loaf in 4-5 days I might keep it in the
>>>>>>> fridge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NEVER keep bread in the fridge!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri
>>>> It stales faster.
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, but I haven't really found that to be true with the bread I buy,
>>> not often, but if I leave it out, it molds quickly. I think you
>>> mostly make your own?
>>>
>>
>> I checked on line and the advice was to keep it at room temperature
>> for a day or two, but to freeze it after that. For the amount of
>> bread that I use and the time it takes for me to use it up, I just
>> stick it directly into the freezer. As long as I use it up within a a
>> couple weeks it is none the worse for wear.
>
>
> I do keep it out for a day or so, then into the fridge until used. I've
> not noticed it being stale, however I don't eat much bread anymore, so
> if I do have bread, it's usually toasted.
>
> Cheri

Toasting helps a lot when using bread that's been refrigerated or
frozen. Even very light toasting helps a lot.

I was pretty poor growing up, and we usually bought sliced loaf bread at
the "day old" store of a local bakery (sunbeam or colonial brands), and
kept it in the fridge. It was very cheap compared to the same branded
bread at the grocery stores, and often no more than a day or two older.

They had those damn junk cakes too, and they *never* go bad, what with
all the chemical preservatives. Ma would let us have a few. You couldn't
tell the difference from a fresh one bought at the fanciest stores.

l not -l wrote:
> On 20-Sep-2018, wrote:
>
>> On 2018-09-20 12:56 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> On 2018-09-20 10:34 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>>>> news >>>>>> On 2018-09-20 10:24 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When we buy bakery bread we don't have them slice it, we slice as
>>>>>>>> needed, a loaf goes in the fridge and lasts us 4-5 days. When we
>>>>>>>> buy
>>>>>>>> packaged sliced bread it's kept in the fridge... if frozen the
>>>>>>>> entire
>>>>>>>> loaf is defrosted in the fridge.
>>>>>>> If I could go through a loaf in 4-5 days I might keep it in the
>>>>>>> fridge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NEVER keep bread in the fridge!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri
>>>> It stales faster.
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, but I haven't really found that to be true with the bread I buy, not
>>>
>>> often, but if I leave it out, it molds quickly. I think you mostly make
>>> your own?
>>>
>>
>> I checked on line and the advice was to keep it at room temperature for
>> a day or two, but to freeze it after that. For the amount of bread that
>> I use and the time it takes for me to use it up, I just stick it
>> directly into the freezer. As long as I use it up within a a couple
>> weeks it is none the worse for wear.
> +1
> I do "shift" the slices a bit before freezing, just a tiny bit of each slice
> sticking out from its predecessor in the loaf, to make separation of frozen
> slices a bit easier.
>

My god, that takes dedication!

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 4:18:05 PM UTC-4, Hank Rogers wrote:

> I was pretty poor growing up, and we usually bought sliced loaf bread at
> the "day old" store of a local bakery (sunbeam or colonial brands), and
> kept it in the fridge. It was very cheap compared to the same branded
> bread at the grocery stores, and often no more than a day or two older.

Yeah. The day old store has crappy white bread for 79 cents per
loaf. The same crappy white bread at the grocery store is a couple
bucks per loaf.

When we buy 20 loaves of bread to stuff inside a pig, I make
sure I get there on Seniors' Day (Wednesdays, if memory serves).

Cindy Hamilton

U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 11:51:40 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On 2018-09-20 12:56 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>> On 2018-09-20 10:34 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>>>>> news >>>>>>> On 2018-09-20 10:24 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When we buy bakery bread we don't have them slice it, we slice as
>>>>>>>>> needed, a loaf goes in the fridge and lasts us 4-5 days. When we
>>>>>>>>> buy
>>>>>>>>> packaged sliced bread it's kept in the fridge... if frozen the
>>>>>>>>> entire
>>>>>>>>> loaf is defrosted in the fridge.
>>>>>>>> If I could go through a loaf in 4-5 days I might keep it in the
>>>>>>>> fridge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NEVER keep bread in the fridge!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>> It stales faster.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK, but I haven't really found that to be true with the bread I buy, not
>>>> often, but if I leave it out, it molds quickly. I think you mostly make
>>>> your own?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I checked on line and the advice was to keep it at room temperature for a
>>> day or two, but to freeze it after that. For the amount of bread that I
>>> use and the time it takes for me to use it up, I just stick it directly
>>> into the freezer. As long as I use it up within a a couple weeks it is
>>> none the worse for wear.
>>
>>
>> I do keep it out for a day or so, then into the fridge until used. I've not
>> noticed it being stale, however I don't eat much bread anymore, so if I do
>> have bread, it's usually toasted.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> I don't know if you had a chance to read my post to you about staling,
> but by putting your refrigerated bread in the toaster you are
> overcoming the chemical staling change that took place. As long as
> you toast, you're good
>

Exactly. I can't tell much difference from toast made with fresh or
refrigerated bread.

However, I'm not a bread snob or a connoisseur by any means. I'm not a
"super taster", nor do I have a trained, refined palate. I'm not even a
descendant of Duncan Hines

Also, I'm talking about regular sliced loaf bread.

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 11:00:37 AM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
> we could go in together on the meat slicer if there wasn't a 1,000
> miles between us
>
You could have 'custody' of the meat slicer for one year and then Steve
can have 'custody' the next year. HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA sorry, I couldn't
resist.

l not -l wrote:
> On 20-Sep-2018, wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 1:41:15 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 10:38:59 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2018-09-20 10:34 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>>>> news >>>>>> On 2018-09-20 10:24 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When we buy bakery bread we don't have them slice it, we slice as
>>>>>>>> needed, a loaf goes in the fridge and lasts us 4-5 days. When we
>>>>>>>> buy
>>>>>>>> packaged sliced bread it's kept in the fridge... if frozen the
>>>>>>>> entire
>>>>>>>> loaf is defrosted in the fridge.
>>>>>>> If I could go through a loaf in 4-5 days I might keep it in the
>>>>>>> fridge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NEVER keep bread in the fridge!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri
>>>> It stales faster.
>>>
>>> Faster than???
>>
>> Faster than room temperature or freezer.
>>
>> In case you're interested in the science:
>> <https://www.thekitchn.com/food-science-how-bread-stales-83062>
> You are quite the optimist aren't you? I can't imagine Sheldon being
> interested in anything that challenges his expert knowledge of, well,
> everything.
>

Yeah, I know.

Popeye buys bread to use as follows:

He cuts off the crust and throws it out his windows (with all his other
refuse).

Then he rolls the bread into little tightly compacted balls ... some
small, and some larger.

The small ones are used to stuff in his ears and nostrils.

I'll refrain from revealing the fate of the larger balls.

On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 09:58:05 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"graham" > wrote in message
>news
>> On 2018-09-20 10:38 AM, graham wrote:
>>> On 2018-09-20 10:34 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>> On 2018-09-20 10:24 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When we buy bakery bread we don't have them slice it, we slice as
>>>>>>> needed, a loaf goes in the fridge and lasts us 4-5 days. When we buy
>>>>>>> packaged sliced bread it's kept in the fridge... if frozen the entire
>>>>>>> loaf is defrosted in the fridge.
>>>>>> If I could go through a loaf in 4-5 days I might keep it in the
>>>>>> fridge.
>>>>>
>>>>> NEVER keep bread in the fridge!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why not?
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>> It stales faster.
>> To regular bread bakers, that's Bread 101!
>
>
>When I make my own it's gone quickly, within a day. I don't make my own
>often anymore, but I will agree that it would stale faster for sure in the
>fridge.

I go through a bread in as many days as the bread has slices. So I
have no choice but to freeze it.

On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 11:09:49 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 10:32:50 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>>On 2018-09-20 10:24 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> When we buy bakery bread we don't have them slice it, we slice as
>>>> needed, a loaf goes in the fridge and lasts us 4-5 days.* When we buy
>>>> packaged sliced bread it's kept in the fridge... if frozen the entire
>>>> loaf is defrosted in the fridge.
>>> If I could go through a loaf in 4-5 days I might keep it in the fridge.
>>
>>NEVER keep bread in the fridge!
>
>don't even bother trying, Graham.

Asking Janet US not to be pompous and up her own bum is like asking a
frog's ass not to be watertight.

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 10:15:04 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:

> ==
>
> Why not?? I make our bread for D because I eat very little. He never
> seems to complain.

My wife is on a low carb diet so I don't feel like eating bread in her presence. I'm at work so I had a coffee and a doughnut i.e., "Breakfast of Champions." Champions of what? You don't want to know...

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 12:39:47 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>
> Since discovering this brand it's mostly all we buy.
> http://www.heidelbergbread.com/bread/
>
>
New York state only.

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 1:28:40 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I checked on line and the advice was to keep it at room temperature for
> a day or two, but to freeze it after that. For the amount of bread that
> I use and the time it takes for me to use it up, I just stick it
> directly into the freezer. As long as I use it up within a a couple
> weeks it is none the worse for wear.
>
I keep my bread in the refrigerator in the summer. Even with central air
conditioning it wants to mold a little too quickly for me. In the winter
it just stays on the counter.

On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 11:21:18 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 09:58:05 -0700, "Cheri" >
>wrote:
>
>>"graham" > wrote in message
>>news
>>> On 2018-09-20 10:38 AM, graham wrote:
>>>> On 2018-09-20 10:34 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>>>> news >>>>>> On 2018-09-20 10:24 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When we buy bakery bread we don't have them slice it, we slice as
>>>>>>>> needed, a loaf goes in the fridge and lasts us 4-5 days. When we buy
>>>>>>>> packaged sliced bread it's kept in the fridge... if frozen the entire
>>>>>>>> loaf is defrosted in the fridge.
>>>>>>> If I could go through a loaf in 4-5 days I might keep it in the
>>>>>>> fridge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NEVER keep bread in the fridge!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri
>>>> It stales faster.
>>> To regular bread bakers, that's Bread 101!
>>
>>
>>When I make my own it's gone quickly, within a day. I don't make my own
>>often anymore, but I will agree that it would stale faster for sure in the
>>fridge.
>>
>>Cheri
>
>I grabbed this explanation from the Web. Just search 'why does bread
>stale' and you'll get lots of hits.
>
>"The crumb (the part inside) gets hard and stiff and the crust loses
>any crispness it might have had. Most people attribute this to drying
>out, but the opposite is in fact true. The bread is actually absorbing
>moisture, as shown by an increase in weight as the loaf goes from
>fresh to stale. The moisture absorbed by the crumb causes the starch
>granules to crystallize, hardening the bread. This is why the fridge
>is a bad place to store bread, even when it is well-wrapped, because
>low temperatures speed up the starch crystallization process (although
>freezing bread is fine because starch crystals don’t form at freezer
>temperatures). It’s also why a brief visit to the oven can improve
>stale bread, because the heat drives out some moisture and helps melt
>the starch crystals."
>https://kitchen-myths.com/

Total nonsense... depends on storage duration and perssonal hygiene...
a week in the fridge harms nothing, months in the fridge harms all
foods. I store bread in a countertop bread box for a week and it
stays very edible. The only time bread stored on ones countertop gets
moldy in under a week is in a filthy kitchen. Some store blocks of
cheese in their fridge for a week and it gets all moldy, soley because
they handle cheese with unwashed crotch hands... it's amazing how many
don't wash their hands after wiping because there's no restaurant sign
in their shit house. Janet B, get yourself a surgeon's scrub brush
and a bar of brown soap.

On 2018-09-20 3:31 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 11:51:40 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:

>>
>> I do keep it out for a day or so, then into the fridge until used. I've not
>> noticed it being stale, however I don't eat much bread anymore, so if I do
>> have bread, it's usually toasted.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> I don't know if you had a chance to read my post to you about staling,
> but by putting your refrigerated bread in the toaster you are
> overcoming the chemical staling change that took place. As long as
> you toast, you're good

Most of the bread I eat is toasted. Maybe once a week I use bread for a
sandwich. I don't eat sliced bread with my dinners. I usually have a
roll instead.

On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 13:42:12 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>"U.S. Janet B." wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 23:28:53 -0500, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 14:32:40 GMT, l not -l wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 18-Sep-2018, Sqwertz > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Do you have metal replacement gears for the more "modern" KitchenAid
>> >>> mixers? :-)
>> >>
>> >> Sorry; but, I do not. The parts I provision, some newly made, others
>> >> recycled, are for Rival and Magic Hostess (metal bodied) meat slicers,
>> >> Kitcheneer and Shred-o-matic appliances of the 60s-80s.
>> >
>> >That seems to ring a bell now. I've always wanted a real meat
>> >slicer. You know, 400 RPM with the the automatic shuttle and feeder
>> >- kind of like they use (or used) at Arby's back in the dayz. Just
>> >set it and forget it!
>> >
>> >> I assume you have checked the usual suspects, Amazon and eBay. There are
>> >> presently beveled gear sets available on eBay, however, they may not be what
>> >> you seek. When searching for hard to find parts, I set up an eBay Favorite
>> >> Search with email notification, which eventually turns up what I seek.
>> >
>> >I don't need them ... yet. I just know it's a popular item that
>> >people frequently ask for. I used to be able to get them locally at
>> >a hardware store here, but that store just went out of business
>> >after 80 years. So I suspect I'll need them shortly! <grrr>
>> >
>> >-sw
>> we could go in together on the meat slicer if there wasn't a 1,000
>> miles between us
>
>Add me. I've always wanted one even though I know it would be
>rarely used. Sure would be nice when I did want one though. I'd
>probably use that more often than a meat grinder. Sorry Sheldon!

On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 16:59:47 -0400, wrote:

>On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 11:21:18 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 09:58:05 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>"graham" > wrote in message
>>>news >>>> On 2018-09-20 10:38 AM, graham wrote:
>>>>> On 2018-09-20 10:34 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>>>>> news >>>>>>> On 2018-09-20 10:24 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When we buy bakery bread we don't have them slice it, we slice as
>>>>>>>>> needed, a loaf goes in the fridge and lasts us 4-5 days. When we buy
>>>>>>>>> packaged sliced bread it's kept in the fridge... if frozen the entire
>>>>>>>>> loaf is defrosted in the fridge.
>>>>>>>> If I could go through a loaf in 4-5 days I might keep it in the
>>>>>>>> fridge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NEVER keep bread in the fridge!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>> It stales faster.
>>>> To regular bread bakers, that's Bread 101!
>>>
>>>
>>>When I make my own it's gone quickly, within a day. I don't make my own
>>>often anymore, but I will agree that it would stale faster for sure in the
>>>fridge.
>>>
>>>Cheri
>>
>>I grabbed this explanation from the Web. Just search 'why does bread
>>stale' and you'll get lots of hits.
>>
>>"The crumb (the part inside) gets hard and stiff and the crust loses
>>any crispness it might have had. Most people attribute this to drying
>>out, but the opposite is in fact true. The bread is actually absorbing
>>moisture, as shown by an increase in weight as the loaf goes from
>>fresh to stale. The moisture absorbed by the crumb causes the starch
>>granules to crystallize, hardening the bread. This is why the fridge
>>is a bad place to store bread, even when it is well-wrapped, because
>>low temperatures speed up the starch crystallization process (although
>>freezing bread is fine because starch crystals don’t form at freezer
>>temperatures). It’s also why a brief visit to the oven can improve
>>stale bread, because the heat drives out some moisture and helps melt
>>the starch crystals."
>>https://kitchen-myths.com/
>
>Total nonsense... depends on storage duration and perssonal hygiene...
>a week in the fridge harms nothing, months in the fridge harms all
>foods. I store bread in a countertop bread box for a week and it
>stays very edible. The only time bread stored on ones countertop gets
>moldy in under a week is in a filthy kitchen. Some store blocks of
>cheese in their fridge for a week and it gets all moldy, soley because
>they handle cheese with unwashed crotch hands... it's amazing how many
>don't wash their hands after wiping because there's no restaurant sign
>in their shit house. Janet B, get yourself a surgeon's scrub brush
>and a bar of brown soap.

I will report your findings to the food scientists who study these
things. They know people like you exist. They may be interested on
your findings regarding diseased chicken parts

On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 13:44:37 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 1:28:40 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> I checked on line and the advice was to keep it at room temperature for
>> a day or two, but to freeze it after that. For the amount of bread that
>> I use and the time it takes for me to use it up, I just stick it
>> directly into the freezer. As long as I use it up within a a couple
>> weeks it is none the worse for wear.
>>
>I keep my bread in the refrigerator in the summer. Even with central air
>conditioning it wants to mold a little too quickly for me. In the winter
>it just stays on the counter.

that's the toss-up. Stale vs. mold.

On 2018-09-20 4:13 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 13:44:37 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 1:28:40 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> I checked on line and the advice was to keep it at room temperature for
>>> a day or two, but to freeze it after that. For the amount of bread that
>>> I use and the time it takes for me to use it up, I just stick it
>>> directly into the freezer. As long as I use it up within a a couple
>>> weeks it is none the worse for wear.
>>>
>> I keep my bread in the refrigerator in the summer. Even with central air
>> conditioning it wants to mold a little too quickly for me. In the winter
>> it just stays on the counter.
>
> that's the toss-up. Stale vs. mold.
>
That's the result of taking a cool climate food to warm, humid regions.
Traditional warmer region breads tend to be flat and eaten within
minutes of making. Chapattis and pita for example.

"U.S. Janet B." > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 11:51:40 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>>news
>>> On 2018-09-20 12:56 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>> On 2018-09-20 10:34 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>> "graham" > wrote in message
>>>>>> news >>>>>>> On 2018-09-20 10:24 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When we buy bakery bread we don't have them slice it, we slice as
>>>>>>>>> needed, a loaf goes in the fridge and lasts us 4-5 days. When we
>>>>>>>>> buy
>>>>>>>>> packaged sliced bread it's kept in the fridge... if frozen the
>>>>>>>>> entire
>>>>>>>>> loaf is defrosted in the fridge.
>>>>>>>> If I could go through a loaf in 4-5 days I might keep it in the
>>>>>>>> fridge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NEVER keep bread in the fridge!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>> It stales faster.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK, but I haven't really found that to be true with the bread I buy,
>>>> not
>>>> often, but if I leave it out, it molds quickly. I think you mostly make
>>>> your own?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I checked on line and the advice was to keep it at room temperature for
>>> a
>>> day or two, but to freeze it after that. For the amount of bread that I
>>> use and the time it takes for me to use it up, I just stick it directly
>>> into the freezer. As long as I use it up within a a couple weeks it is
>>> none the worse for wear.
>>
>>
>>I do keep it out for a day or so, then into the fridge until used. I've
>>not
>>noticed it being stale, however I don't eat much bread anymore, so if I do
>>have bread, it's usually toasted.
>>
>>Cheri
>
> I don't know if you had a chance to read my post to you about staling,
> but by putting your refrigerated bread in the toaster you are
> overcoming the chemical staling change that took place. As long as
> you toast, you're good

I did read it, very interesting, and when I thought about it I did imagine
that toasting is the reason that it doesn't seem stale.

Cheri

On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 16:26:23 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2018-09-20 4:13 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 13:44:37 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 1:28:40 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I checked on line and the advice was to keep it at room temperature for
>>>> a day or two, but to freeze it after that. For the amount of bread that
>>>> I use and the time it takes for me to use it up, I just stick it
>>>> directly into the freezer. As long as I use it up within a a couple
>>>> weeks it is none the worse for wear.
>>>>
>>> I keep my bread in the refrigerator in the summer. Even with central air
>>> conditioning it wants to mold a little too quickly for me. In the winter
>>> it just stays on the counter.
>>
>> that's the toss-up. Stale vs. mold.
>>
>That's the result of taking a cool climate food to warm, humid regions.
>Traditional warmer region breads tend to be flat and eaten within
>minutes of making. Chapattis and pita for example.

I hadn't thought of it that way. Good point.

"Hank Rogers" > wrote in message
news
> I was pretty poor growing up, and we usually bought sliced loaf bread at
> the "day old" store of a local bakery (sunbeam or colonial brands), and
> kept it in the fridge. It was very cheap compared to the same branded
> bread at the grocery stores, and often no more than a day or two older.
>
> They had those damn junk cakes too, and they *never* go bad, what with all
> the chemical preservatives. Ma would let us have a few. You couldn't tell
> the difference from a fresh one bought at the fanciest stores.

My mom always bought the day old, something like 4 loaves for a dollar back
then. There were a lot of us, so it saved money. We ate what was
served...period!

Cheri

On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 16:33:34 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Hank Rogers" > wrote in message
>news >
>> I was pretty poor growing up, and we usually bought sliced loaf bread at
>> the "day old" store of a local bakery (sunbeam or colonial brands), and
>> kept it in the fridge. It was very cheap compared to the same branded
>> bread at the grocery stores, and often no more than a day or two older.
>>
>> They had those damn junk cakes too, and they *never* go bad, what with all
>> the chemical preservatives. Ma would let us have a few. You couldn't tell
>> the difference from a fresh one bought at the fanciest stores.
>
>My mom always bought the day old, something like 4 loaves for a dollar back
>then. There were a lot of us, so it saved money. We ate what was
>served...period!

You sound proud.

On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 6:34:34 PM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Hank Rogers" > wrote in message
> news >
> > I was pretty poor growing up, and we usually bought sliced loaf bread at
> > the "day old" store of a local bakery (sunbeam or colonial brands), and
> > kept it in the fridge. It was very cheap compared to the same branded
> > bread at the grocery stores, and often no more than a day or two older.
> >
>
> My mom always bought the day old, something like 4 loaves for a dollar back
> then. There were a lot of us, so it saved money. We ate what was
> served...period!
>
> Cheri
>
Dang, same way here! Did we three grow up in the same neighborhood??

"Druce" > wrote in message
news
> On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 16:33:34 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Hank Rogers" > wrote in message
>>news >>
>>> I was pretty poor growing up, and we usually bought sliced loaf bread at
>>> the "day old" store of a local bakery (sunbeam or colonial brands), and
>>> kept it in the fridge. It was very cheap compared to the same branded
>>> bread at the grocery stores, and often no more than a day or two older.
>>>
>>> They had those damn junk cakes too, and they *never* go bad, what with
>>> all
>>> the chemical preservatives. Ma would let us have a few. You couldn't
>>> tell
>>> the difference from a fresh one bought at the fanciest stores.
>>
>>My mom always bought the day old, something like 4 loaves for a dollar
>>back
>>then. There were a lot of us, so it saved money. We ate what was
>>served...period!
>
> You sound proud.


I am, very...and blessed.

Cheri

> wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, September 20, 2018 at 6:34:34 PM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> "Hank Rogers" > wrote in message
>> news >>
>> > I was pretty poor growing up, and we usually bought sliced loaf bread
>> > at
>> > the "day old" store of a local bakery (sunbeam or colonial brands), and
>> > kept it in the fridge. It was very cheap compared to the same branded
>> > bread at the grocery stores, and often no more than a day or two older.
>> >
>>
>> My mom always bought the day old, something like 4 loaves for a dollar
>> back
>> then. There were a lot of us, so it saved money. We ate what was
>> served...period!
>>
>> Cheri
>>
> Dang, same way here! Did we three grow up in the same neighborhood??
>


Hell, I think we might just be cousins at least.

Cheri