On Wed, 2 May 2018 08:11:46 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 5/2/2018 12:30 AM, JBurns wrote:
>
>>
>> Nose jobs are not elective surgery and will not be performed in public
>> hospitals in Australia, unless the nose job involves accident repair
>> or something like that. Cosmetic surgery is not covered by the public
>> health system.
>>
>> JB
>>
>
>They should be. Ugly people are not good for tourism.

We don't have any ugly people here

JB

On Tue, 1 May 2018 20:54:34 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>> On 5/1/2018 1:31 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>>>> That's a good point. I do know even if a cell phone account is
>>>> deactivated, as long as there is a working battery you can use it to
>>>> call 911. I'm not sure how this blocking technology could work in an
>>>> emergency with shut off cell phones. Kind of a start of an idea, though,
>>>> to get people to really stop trying to use their cell phones when they
>>>> should be focused on driving.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> I bet it's taken into account, possibly if one presses 911 on the keypad
>>> it automatically goes through or something like that.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> If the car was in an accident it probably shut off anyway or you can walk
>> away from it to use the phone if you wanted to call for someone else.
>
>But what if you were behind a drunk driver who was driving erratically and
>they are unable to pull over or something like that, including road rage.
>There has to be a fail safe for emergencies.
>
>Cheri

A phone is of no use when an emergency is immediate. When there's a
nut on the road I slow down, pull over to the extreme right and let
the moron(s) pass. I'm never in so much of a hurry that I need to be
first. My vehicle has rearview mirrors, I check them often, anyone
wants to pass and I'm not a slow river I pull over and make it easy
for them.. On an open road I'll drive 2-3 miles over the limit. If
they are passing me they are speeding by more than five miles over the
limit... odds are a few minutes down the road I'll be passing them
where they've been pulled over by a trooper.

On 5/2/2018 9:33 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>
> The funny thing is, a lot of people who are comparatively well off
> are not averse to social programs, and a lot of people who use those
> social programs continually vote for politicians to vow to lower
> taxes.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

I don't think many are adverse to them, but are adverse to waste and the
easy ability for cheating. Helping a disabled person is OK, but there
is a percentage of able bodied people than manage to scam the system.

I've seen people working for a temp agency, getting paid in case, while
collecting benefits. There has been some crackdown on that.

I don't mind paying some gas tax to maintain the roads. I do mind when
the governor took some of that money to use for other items.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> The funny thing is, a lot of people who are comparatively well off
>> are not averse to social programs, and a lot of people who use those
>> social programs continually vote for politicians to vow to lower
>> taxes.
>
>I don't think many are adverse to them, but are adverse to waste and the
>easy ability for cheating. Helping a disabled person is OK, but there
>is a percentage of able bodied people than manage to scam the system.
>
>I've seen people working for a temp agency, getting paid in case, while
>collecting benefits. There has been some crackdown on that.
>
>I don't mind paying some gas tax to maintain the roads. I do mind when
>the governor took some of that money to use for other items.

Adding insult to injury there are many on the public dole who make big
bucks working off the books.

On 2018-05-02 8:10 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/2/2018 9:33 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>>
>> The funny thing is, a lot of people who are comparatively well off
>> are not averse to social programs, and a lot of people who use those
>> social programs continually vote for politicians to vow to lower
>> taxes.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>
> I don't think many are adverse to them, but are adverse to waste and the
> easy ability for cheating.Â* Helping a disabled person is OK, but there
> is a percentage of able bodied people than manage to scam the system.

There is always a small percentage that scam and no matter what you do,
there will always be some who will work around the system. That's life!

HOWEVER, think of all the wealthy who scam the tax system and bribe
politicians!!!!!! They are no different!

On 2018-04-30, graham > wrote:

> It's illegal here too but one still sees idiots ignoring the law. One
> case I saw recently was a car in front of me that was very slow to react
> to light changes and it was being driven haphazardly. So I overtook as
> soon as I could. It turned out to be an elderly woman texting!.

I totally avoid that problem. I leave my cell phone at home, jes like
my former landline. Besides, I do NOT even have txting and picture
Tx/Rx privileges!

nb

wrote:
>
> Adding insult to injury there are many on the public dole who make big
> bucks working off the books.

The underground economy is (and has always been) huge. If your
money has no paper trail, so many just don't report it. Can't
blame them since politicians just seem to waste it all anyway and
if they need more, simply raise taxes.

On 2018-05-01, jmcquown > wrote:

> They can be. I recall a time (no cell phones) when I was a passenger.
> I don't know what distracted the friend who was driving but if I hadn't
> been there she'd have sailed right through a red light.

My late mom was terrible driver. When I came out to take care of her,
she could still drive, but she hadda terrible habit of taking her eyes
off the road while talking/looking directly at me. I decided I hadda
drive from then on. 8|

nb

wrote:
>
> If
> they are passing me they are speeding by more than five miles over the
> limit... odds are a few minutes down the road I'll be passing them
> where they've been pulled over by a trooper.

That actually happened to me once years ago. North end of beach
and I was driving the speed limit of 35mph. One fellow vroomed up
behind me and had to wait a minute or so to pass me. When he
finally passed me, he floored the car and even glared at me as he
drove past. About 20 blocks later, I passed him stopped on the
side of the road and a police car behind him. The cop was just
getting out of his car. LOLOLOL!

On 5/2/2018 12:34 PM, Gary wrote:
> wrote:
>>
>> If
>> they are passing me they are speeding by more than five miles over the
>> limit... odds are a few minutes down the road I'll be passing them
>> where they've been pulled over by a trooper.
>
> That actually happened to me once years ago. North end of beach
> and I was driving the speed limit of 35mph. One fellow vroomed up
> behind me and had to wait a minute or so to pass me. When he
> finally passed me, he floored the car and even glared at me as he
> drove past. About 20 blocks later, I passed him stopped on the
> side of the road and a police car behind him. The cop was just
> getting out of his car. LOLOLOL!
>

Had a similar situation. I drove the same highway every day for years
and knew where the police would wait. I was doing 5 over in the left
lane and slowly passing some cars. Guy in back was very impatient,
flashed his lights, tailgated. Finally, I pulled over, he passed and in
30 seconds he was nabbed.

On the highway I run 5 to 9 over and never had a problem. If you want to
go faster, fine with me.

On 2018-05-02 10:27 AM, Gary wrote:
> wrote:
>>
>> Adding insult to injury there are many on the public dole who make big
>> bucks working off the books.
>
> The underground economy is (and has always been) huge. If your
> money has no paper trail, so many just don't report it. Can't
> blame them since politicians just seem to waste it all anyway and
> if they need more, simply raise taxes.
>
How about the wealthy who hide their money offshore and EVADE taxes?

On 2018-05-02 12:32 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2018-05-01, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> They can be. I recall a time (no cell phones) when I was a passenger.
>> I don't know what distracted the friend who was driving but if I hadn't
>> been there she'd have sailed right through a red light.
>
> My late mom was terrible driver. When I came out to take care of her,
> she could still drive, but she hadda terrible habit of taking her eyes
> off the road while talking/looking directly at me. I decided I hadda
> drive from then on. 8|

My mother's friend was still driving into her 90s. She had several
accidents. My mother went shopping with her are the local mall and the
old girl ran over a stop sign in the parking lot.

On 2018-05-02 12:34 PM, Gary wrote:
> wrote:
>>
>> If
>> they are passing me they are speeding by more than five miles over the
>> limit... odds are a few minutes down the road I'll be passing them
>> where they've been pulled over by a trooper.
>
> That actually happened to me once years ago. North end of beach
> and I was driving the speed limit of 35mph. One fellow vroomed up
> behind me and had to wait a minute or so to pass me. When he
> finally passed me, he floored the car and even glared at me as he
> drove past. About 20 blocks later, I passed him stopped on the
> side of the road and a police car behind him. The cop was just
> getting out of his car. LOLOLOL!
>


Shadenfreude. Years ago I was a little upset about having lost the
second cat within a week. I was out on my bicycle and saw a car tearing
down out road. He was doing at least 100 kph in the 50 kph zone and when
he hit the corner where it change to 70 kph he floored it. I flipped a
finger to express my displeasure. He got all ****ed off, gave me the
finger back, shock his fist and slammed on his breaks. I think perhaps
his plan was to confront and threaten me but his plan failed because
when he hit the brakes he lost control and slid into a maple tree and
totalled the car.

On Wed, 2 May 2018 10:10:03 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 5/2/2018 9:33 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>>
>> The funny thing is, a lot of people who are comparatively well off
>> are not averse to social programs, and a lot of people who use those
>> social programs continually vote for politicians to vow to lower
>> taxes.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>
>I don't think many are adverse to them, but are adverse to waste and the
>easy ability for cheating. Helping a disabled person is OK, but there
>is a percentage of able bodied people than manage to scam the system.
>
>I've seen people working for a temp agency, getting paid in case, while
>collecting benefits. There has been some crackdown on that.
>
>I don't mind paying some gas tax to maintain the roads. I do mind when
>the governor took some of that money to use for other items.

Let's be fair. There's always the mid to low level executive who
shows up for work on time each day. Smoozes a bit with the right
people, slings his suit jacket on the back of his chair (indicating
that he is somewhere in the building) and takes off for a day of golf.
It isn't simply lower class people that have a cheating mind set. They
learn well from those who wear better clothes and live in nicer
housing.
Everyone complains about the little guy who makes a few extra bucks
off the system and at the same time tolerate the rich guys ripping us
all off for millions and billions.
Janet US

On Wed, 2 May 2018 13:01:53 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2018-05-02 10:27 AM, Gary wrote:
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Adding insult to injury there are many on the public dole who make big
>>> bucks working off the books.
>>
>> The underground economy is (and has always been) huge. If your
>> money has no paper trail, so many just don't report it. Can't
>> blame them since politicians just seem to waste it all anyway and
>> if they need more, simply raise taxes.
>>
>How about the wealthy who hide their money offshore and EVADE taxes?

thank you. That is the difference between hundreds or thousands of
dollars and millions and millions.
Janet US

On Wed, 02 May 2018 12:34:05 -0400, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> If
>> they are passing me they are speeding by more than five miles over the
>> limit... odds are a few minutes down the road I'll be passing them
>> where they've been pulled over by a trooper.
>
>That actually happened to me once years ago. North end of beach
>and I was driving the speed limit of 35mph. One fellow vroomed up
>behind me and had to wait a minute or so to pass me. When he
>finally passed me, he floored the car and even glared at me as he
>drove past. About 20 blocks later, I passed him stopped on the
>side of the road and a police car behind him. The cop was just
>getting out of his car. LOLOLOL!

I'm retired, I've no need to be in a hurry... only time I step on it
is when I'm mowing and a thunderstom is approaching.

> wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 02 May 2018 12:34:05 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
wrote:
>>>
>>> If
>>> they are passing me they are speeding by more than five miles over the
>>> limit... odds are a few minutes down the road I'll be passing them
>>> where they've been pulled over by a trooper.
>>
>>That actually happened to me once years ago. North end of beach
>>and I was driving the speed limit of 35mph. One fellow vroomed up
>>behind me and had to wait a minute or so to pass me. When he
>>finally passed me, he floored the car and even glared at me as he
>>drove past. About 20 blocks later, I passed him stopped on the
>>side of the road and a police car behind him. The cop was just
>>getting out of his car. LOLOLOL!
>
> I'm retired, I've no need to be in a hurry... only time I step on it
> is when I'm mowing and a thunderstom is approaching.


Yes, and because you're retired, you are not really the demographic that is
clogging the roads with huge military type vehicles and road rage. LOL

Cheri

On Wed, 2 May 2018 13:02:19 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

> wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 02 May 2018 12:34:05 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If
>>>> they are passing me they are speeding by more than five miles over the
>>>> limit... odds are a few minutes down the road I'll be passing them
>>>> where they've been pulled over by a trooper.
>>>
>>>That actually happened to me once years ago. North end of beach
>>>and I was driving the speed limit of 35mph. One fellow vroomed up
>>>behind me and had to wait a minute or so to pass me. When he
>>>finally passed me, he floored the car and even glared at me as he
>>>drove past. About 20 blocks later, I passed him stopped on the
>>>side of the road and a police car behind him. The cop was just
>>>getting out of his car. LOLOLOL!
>>
>> I'm retired, I've no need to be in a hurry... only time I step on it
>> is when I'm mowing and a thunderstom is approaching.
>
>Yes, and because you're retired, you are not really the demographic that is
>clogging the roads with huge military type vehicles and road rage. LOL
>
>Cheri

Actually the vehicle I drive is significantly larger than most and in
many parts of the world is considered a military type, especially
where there are no roads.

On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 9:55:13 AM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
> Let's be fair. There's always the mid to low level executive who
> shows up for work on time each day. Smoozes a bit with the right
> people, slings his suit jacket on the back of his chair (indicating
> that he is somewhere in the building) and takes off for a day of golf.
> It isn't simply lower class people that have a cheating mind set. They
> learn well from those who wear better clothes and live in nicer
> housing.
> Everyone complains about the little guy who makes a few extra bucks
> off the system and at the same time tolerate the rich guys ripping us
> all off for millions and billions.
> Janet US

The rich guys steal so much money that your average Joe can't even understand the concept. They can't internalize the idea of how insignificant regular folks are seen by these rich guys.

Trump's plan all along was to work with Putin to make a shitload of dough by fixing things in Russia and America in their favor. All has not gone as they planned, but there are small victories along the way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXaX8DLN3xw

Oh yeah, that wall thing he wants to build? It's not about keeping people out. What it's about is making money for his pals and having poor stupid schmucks pay for it. Once again, America shoves a large one up its butthole. Of course, we deserve every inch of it. Americans should have more respect for themselves and stop shooting themselves in the foot.

On 2018-05-02 2:58 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/2/2018 12:34 PM, Gary wrote:

> Had a similar situation.Â* I drove the same highway every day for years
> and knew where the police would wait.Â* I was doing 5 over in the left
> lane and slowly passing some cars.Â* Guy in back was very impatient,
> flashed his lights, tailgated.Â* Finally, I pulled over, he passed and in
> 30 seconds he was nabbed.
>
> On the highway I run 5 to 9 over and never had a problem. If you want to
> go faster, fine with me.


My MO is to make sure there is someone ahead of me going faster.

I just remembered another funny incident that happened a couple years
ago. I was travelling on a country road and probably just a little over
the limit. A car pulled out of a driveway ahead of me, close enough
that I had to seriously slow down. He then tromped on the gas.An
oncoming police car saw it all happen and stopped the guy.
Another karma moment.

On 2018-05-02 3:01 PM, graham wrote:
> On 2018-05-02 10:27 AM, Gary wrote:
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Adding insult to injury there are many on the public dole who make big
>>> bucks working off the books.
>>
>> The underground economy is (and has always been) huge. If your
>> money has no paper trail, so many just don't report it. Can't
>> blame them since politicians just seem to waste it all anyway and
>> if they need more, simply raise taxes.
>>
> How about the wealthy who hide their money offshore and EVADE taxes?

Like Turk and Caicos where the biggest business is tax shelter banking.
A few years back they were hit hard with a hurricane and asked Canada
for aid to clean up the mess. That would take tax money, perhaps as much
tax money as was not being paid to our government because it was being
hidden in their banks.

On 2018-05-02 5:25 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 9:55:13 AM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>
>> Let's be fair. There's always the mid to low level executive who
>> shows up for work on time each day. Smoozes a bit with the right
>> people, slings his suit jacket on the back of his chair
>> (indicating that he is somewhere in the building) and takes off for
>> a day of golf. It isn't simply lower class people that have a
>> cheating mind set. They learn well from those who wear better
>> clothes and live in nicer housing. Everyone complains about the
>> little guy who makes a few extra bucks off the system and at the
>> same time tolerate the rich guys ripping us all off for millions
>> and billions. Janet US
>
> The rich guys steal so much money that your average Joe can't even
> understand the concept. They can't internalize the idea of how
> insignificant regular folks are seen by these rich guys.

I know someone who got busted for a multi million dollar Ponzi scheme.
Her come on was smooth. She was looking for money for bridge financing
for almost finished condos whose developers were running low on
capital. Give her $5000 and in three months you get back $8000. It
sounded too good to be true but she sucked in enough people that they
figured she had screwed investors out of $14.5 million.

She got busted, plead guilty and sentenced to 5 years, which in Canadian
criminal justice years translates to about 8 months because that's how
long she served before she got paroled. She then got busted for parole
violation several times before she went back and severed two more years.
She was also ordered to pay $4.5 million restitution. She has been out
for about 5 years now, lives in a huge house, drives a Lexus, and has
not paid a penny of the restitution ordered.

Why rob a bank and do hard time when you can schmooze your way to
millions and a club fed prison?

On Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 12:01:15 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I know someone who got busted for a multi million dollar Ponzi scheme.
> Her come on was smooth. She was looking for money for bridge financing
> for almost finished condos whose developers were running low on
> capital. Give her $5000 and in three months you get back $8000. It
> sounded too good to be true but she sucked in enough people that they
> figured she had screwed investors out of $14.5 million.
>
> She got busted, plead guilty and sentenced to 5 years, which in Canadian
> criminal justice years translates to about 8 months because that's how
> long she served before she got paroled. She then got busted for parole
> violation several times before she went back and severed two more years.
> She was also ordered to pay $4.5 million restitution. She has been out
> for about 5 years now, lives in a huge house, drives a Lexus, and has
> not paid a penny of the restitution ordered.
>
> Why rob a bank and do hard time when you can schmooze your way to
> millions and a club fed prison?

You can't cure stupidity and greed. Old folks are prime targets for these scams. I don't have a clue about how to stop people from giving their life savings away. It's a major problem.

On 5/2/2018 12:32 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2018-05-01, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> They can be. I recall a time (no cell phones) when I was a passenger.
>> I don't know what distracted the friend who was driving but if I hadn't
>> been there she'd have sailed right through a red light.
>
> My late mom was terrible driver. When I came out to take care of her,
> she could still drive, but she hadda terrible habit of taking her eyes
> off the road while talking/looking directly at me. I decided I hadda
> drive from then on. 8|
>
> nb
>
I *never* turn to look at a person when I'm driving. Hell, I get
nervous when I see people on television shows or in movies doing it,
even though I know they aren't actually driving. I want to shout at the
TV, "Keep your eyes on the road!" LOL

Jill

On 5/2/2018 3:13 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-05-02 12:32 PM, notbob wrote:
>> On 2018-05-01, jmcquown > wrote:
>>
>>> They can be.Â* I recall a time (no cell phones) when I was a passenger.
>>> I don't know what distracted the friend who was driving but if I hadn't
>>> been there she'd have sailed right through a red light.
>>
>> My late mom was terrible driver.Â* When I came out to take care of her,
>> she could still drive, but she hadda terrible habit of taking her eyes
>> off the road while talking/looking directly at me.Â* I decided I hadda
>> drive from then on.Â* 8|
>
> My mother's friend was still driving into her 90s. She had several
> accidents. My mother went shopping with her are the local mall and the
> old girl ran over a stop sign in the parking lot.
>
>
At some point you just have to give up, but then how do you get to the
store? Where I live is so far off the beaten path it's darned near
impossible to get a taxi to show up. It's probably easier these days
with things such as Uber or Lyft, although I don't know how prevalent
those options are around here.

My father handed his keys to my mother after he backed out of the garage
and kept on going... right into the neighbors fence. If anyone had told
him he shouldn't be driving he'd have balked. Having to get out his
checkbook was all it took to convince him he didn't need to be behind
the wheel anymore.

Jill

On 5/2/2018 12:34 PM, Gary wrote:
> wrote:
>>
>> If
>> they are passing me they are speeding by more than five miles over the
>> limit... odds are a few minutes down the road I'll be passing them
>> where they've been pulled over by a trooper.
>
> That actually happened to me once years ago. North end of beach
> and I was driving the speed limit of 35mph. One fellow vroomed up
> behind me and had to wait a minute or so to pass me. When he
> finally passed me, he floored the car and even glared at me as he
> drove past. About 20 blocks later, I passed him stopped on the
> side of the road and a police car behind him. The cop was just
> getting out of his car. LOLOLOL!
>

I love it when someone who is in such a rush to get past me winds up
sitting next to me at the next stop light.

Jill

On Wed, 2 May 2018 19:16:18 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 5/2/2018 12:34 PM, Gary wrote:
>>
>> That actually happened to me once years ago. North end of beach
>> and I was driving the speed limit of 35mph. One fellow vroomed up
>> behind me and had to wait a minute or so to pass me. When he
>> finally passed me, he floored the car and even glared at me as he
>> drove past. About 20 blocks later, I passed him stopped on the
>> side of the road and a police car behind him. The cop was just
>> getting out of his car. LOLOLOL!
>>
>
>I love it when someone who is in such a rush to get past me winds up
>sitting next to me at the next stop light.

It's the little things in life that count.

On Wed, 2 May 2018 17:33:16 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2018-05-02 3:01 PM, graham wrote:
>> On 2018-05-02 10:27 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Adding insult to injury there are many on the public dole who make big
>>>> bucks working off the books.
>>>
>>> The underground economy is (and has always been) huge. If your
>>> money has no paper trail, so many just don't report it. Can't
>>> blame them since politicians just seem to waste it all anyway and
>>> if they need more, simply raise taxes.
>>>
>> How about the wealthy who hide their money offshore and EVADE taxes?
>
>Like Turk and Caicos where the biggest business is tax shelter banking.
>A few years back they were hit hard with a hurricane and asked Canada
>for aid to clean up the mess. That would take tax money, perhaps as much
>tax money as was not being paid to our government because it was being
>hidden in their banks.

Yes but a few years prior to that they asked to be part of NS and
sadly we turned them down.

On 5/2/2018 3:56 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Wed, 2 May 2018 13:01:53 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 2018-05-02 10:27 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Adding insult to injury there are many on the public dole who make big
>>>> bucks working off the books.
>>>
>>> The underground economy is (and has always been) huge. If your
>>> money has no paper trail, so many just don't report it. Can't
>>> blame them since politicians just seem to waste it all anyway and
>>> if they need more, simply raise taxes.
>>>
>> How about the wealthy who hide their money offshore and EVADE taxes?
>
> thank you. That is the difference between hundreds or thousands of
> dollars and millions and millions.
> Janet US
>
Exactly. I don't personally know, nor do I think I've ever met, anyone
who was so wealthy as to need offshore accounts.

I always hesitate to get into discussions about Trump. But he does
happen to fall into that category when it comes to wealth. I'm not
saying he has offshore accounts, although it certainly wouldn't surprise
me. I do have to wonder how much he could possibly know (or actually
care) about social programs. He's never had to be "on the dole". He's
never had to worry if he could afford to see a doctor. His father was a
successful real estate developer. The Donald came from money and made a
hell of a lot more of it. We all know he doesn't listen to his advisors
(he fires them as fast as he hires them) so I cringe when I hear him
trying to discuss such issues. Mostly I try to avoid listening to him.

Jill

On 5/1/2018 9:41 PM, wrote:
> On Tue, 1 May 2018 21:31:46 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 5/1/2018 6:08 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Tue, 1 May 2018 17:53:15 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/1/2018 3:38 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 1 May 2018 13:33:03 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/1/2018 12:35 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/1/2018 11:51 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/1/2018 11:28 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Good, not perfect, probably better than what we have for many.Â* I
>>>>>>>>> know of some Canadians that cross the border for surgery as the waits
>>>>>>>>> for elective can be long.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "elective" being the operative word.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>> Emergencies are taken immediately, non-emergencies may have to wait.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's my understanding (vague though it may be) of the Canadian health
>>>>>> system. Elective is not an emergency.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't fathom who would want to rush into elective surgery in the first
>>>>>> place. If it's elective it's not life threatening, certainly not urgent
>>>>>> and sometimes not even necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Never necessary. If it was necessary it wouldn't be called elective.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I had elective surgery. I had a choice. Have surgery or walk in pain
>>>> and use crutches or wheelchair for the rest of your life. Was not a
>>>> hard decision and walked out with no crutches.
>>>
>>> So it wasn't life saving, but still pretty necessary. Not like a nose
>>> job
>>
>> Yes, varying degrees of necessity, not life threatening.
>
> My wife had two artificial knees installed at the same time, she
> already was down hill skiing at the end of the season. It all depends
> on the doctor, and the rehab. Last week she went on a 30 mile bike
> ride. She's already golfing 18 holes, no cart.
>
That's wonderful to hear, Sheldon.

Jill

On 5/2/2018 8:11 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/2/2018 12:30 AM, JBurns wrote:
>
>>
>> Nose jobs are not elective surgery and will not be performed in public
>> hospitals in Australia, unless the nose job involves accident repair
>> or something like that. Cosmetic surgery is not covered by the public
>> health system.
>>
>> JB
>>
>
> They should be. Ugly people are not good for tourism.

LOL (literally!) Ed, you owe me a keyboard.

Jill

On 5/2/2018 3:55 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Wed, 2 May 2018 10:10:03 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 5/2/2018 9:33 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The funny thing is, a lot of people who are comparatively well off
>>> are not averse to social programs, and a lot of people who use those
>>> social programs continually vote for politicians to vow to lower
>>> taxes.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>
>> I don't think many are adverse to them, but are adverse to waste and the
>> easy ability for cheating. Helping a disabled person is OK, but there
>> is a percentage of able bodied people than manage to scam the system.
>>
>> I've seen people working for a temp agency, getting paid in case, while
>> collecting benefits. There has been some crackdown on that.
>>
>> I don't mind paying some gas tax to maintain the roads. I do mind when
>> the governor took some of that money to use for other items.
>
> Let's be fair. There's always the mid to low level executive who
> shows up for work on time each day. Smoozes a bit with the right
> people, slings his suit jacket on the back of his chair (indicating
> that he is somewhere in the building) and takes off for a day of golf.

No need to leave the jacket on the chair. Just have lots of off-site
meetings. They find ways to write off the business lunches. Wine
and dine a client then suggest a short round of golf.

The higher up muckety-mucks might organize executive "retreats"; long
weekends in a secluded yet idyllic place, ostensibly to discuss business
plans. In reality, a lot of good food and good times at a really
expensive resort. Maybe a little golf, tennis, swimming. Book a
massage for late afternoon before dinner. They write it off as a
business development expense. As long as someone takes a few notes at a
few "meetings" and produces a written agenda, it could be considered a
legitimate deduction.

> It isn't simply lower class people that have a cheating mind set. They
> learn well from those who wear better clothes and live in nicer
> housing.
> Everyone complains about the little guy who makes a few extra bucks
> off the system and at the same time tolerate the rich guys ripping us
> all off for millions and billions.
> Janet US
>
I certainly don't complain about the little guy making a few extra
bucks. But I figure there isn't much I can do about rich guys ripping
us off.

Jill

> wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 2 May 2018 13:02:19 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
> wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 02 May 2018 12:34:05 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If
>>>>> they are passing me they are speeding by more than five miles over the
>>>>> limit... odds are a few minutes down the road I'll be passing them
>>>>> where they've been pulled over by a trooper.
>>>>
>>>>That actually happened to me once years ago. North end of beach
>>>>and I was driving the speed limit of 35mph. One fellow vroomed up
>>>>behind me and had to wait a minute or so to pass me. When he
>>>>finally passed me, he floored the car and even glared at me as he
>>>>drove past. About 20 blocks later, I passed him stopped on the
>>>>side of the road and a police car behind him. The cop was just
>>>>getting out of his car. LOLOLOL!
>>>
>>> I'm retired, I've no need to be in a hurry... only time I step on it
>>> is when I'm mowing and a thunderstom is approaching.
>>
>>Yes, and because you're retired, you are not really the demographic that
>>is
>>clogging the roads with huge military type vehicles and road rage. LOL
>>
>>Cheri
>
> Actually the vehicle I drive is significantly larger than most and in
> many parts of the world is considered a military type, especially
> where there are no roads.


But you said you seldomly leave home or go far from it, so you are not the
demographic that is out there on crowded freeways.

Cheri

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 5/2/2018 8:11 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 5/2/2018 12:30 AM, JBurns wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Nose jobs are not elective surgery and will not be performed in public
>>> hospitals in Australia, unless the nose job involves accident repair
>>> or something like that. Cosmetic surgery is not covered by the public
>>> health system.
>>>
>>> JB
>>>
>>
>> They should be. Ugly people are not good for tourism.
>
> LOL (literally!) Ed, you owe me a keyboard.
>
> Jill


Ugly people spending lots of tourism dollars actually makes them quite
attractive. ;-)

Cheri

On Wed, 2 May 2018 20:21:56 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 5/1/2018 9:41 PM, wrote:
>> On Tue, 1 May 2018 21:31:46 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/1/2018 6:08 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 1 May 2018 17:53:15 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/1/2018 3:38 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 1 May 2018 13:33:03 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/1/2018 12:35 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/1/2018 11:51 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/1/2018 11:28 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Good, not perfect, probably better than what we have for many.* I
>>>>>>>>>> know of some Canadians that cross the border for surgery as the waits
>>>>>>>>>> for elective can be long.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "elective" being the operative word.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>> Emergencies are taken immediately, non-emergencies may have to wait.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's my understanding (vague though it may be) of the Canadian health
>>>>>>> system. Elective is not an emergency.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't fathom who would want to rush into elective surgery in the first
>>>>>>> place. If it's elective it's not life threatening, certainly not urgent
>>>>>>> and sometimes not even necessary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Never necessary. If it was necessary it wouldn't be called elective.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I had elective surgery. I had a choice. Have surgery or walk in pain
>>>>> and use crutches or wheelchair for the rest of your life. Was not a
>>>>> hard decision and walked out with no crutches.
>>>>
>>>> So it wasn't life saving, but still pretty necessary. Not like a nose
>>>> job
>>>
>>> Yes, varying degrees of necessity, not life threatening.
>>
>> My wife had two artificial knees installed at the same time, she
>> already was down hill skiing at the end of the season. It all depends
>> on the doctor, and the rehab. Last week she went on a 30 mile bike
>> ride. She's already golfing 18 holes, no cart.
>>
>That's wonderful to hear, Sheldon.
>
>Jill

The best part is with the insurance we bought through AARP it all cost
her nothing.... she only had to pay her transportation to the hospital
and the rehab center, maybe $200. Today she played golf, 18 holes, no
cart. And all of a sudden we had 98ºF here today... I had two huge
wild rose bushes at the creek to hack down, was so hot I only did half
the second one... tomorrow is another day. Was so hot one of the
golfers needed an ambulance. And he was 62, most of the golfers are
up in their 70s-80s. I knew to quit hacking those rose bushes, I
trudged up the hill to my house and first thing I turned on the AC...
my clothes were so soaked I could wring them out. I had to pee and
then drank two cans of diet Sprite. Strange, we went from winter to
summer, no spring.

On 2018-05-02 7:09 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 5/2/2018 3:13 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>> My mother's friend was still driving into her 90s. She had several
>> accidents. My mother went shopping with her are the local mall and the
>> old girl ran over a stop sign in the parking lot.
>>
>>
> At some point you just have to give up, but then how do you get to the
> store?Â* Where I live is so far off the beaten path it's darned near
> impossible to get a taxi to show up.Â* It's probably easier these days
> with things such as Uber or Lyft, although I don't know how prevalent
> those options are around here.
>
> My father handed his keys to my mother after he backed out of the garage
> and kept on going... right into the neighbors fence.Â* If anyone had told
> him he shouldn't be driving he'd have balked.Â* Having to get out his
> checkbook was all it took to convince him he didn't need to be behind
> the wheel anymore.

I worked a short stint as a driver examiner.At that time drivers over
age age 80 and those over 70 who had had an accident had to do an annual
road test. We reserved Wednesday morning for seniors road tests. I
quickly learned to hate Wednesdays. We had some people who were weekly
regulars because they simply could not pass.

On 2018-05-02 7:16 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 5/2/2018 12:34 PM, Gary wrote:
>> That actually happened to me once years ago. North end of beach
>> and I was driving the speed limit of 35mph. One fellow vroomed up
>> behind me and had to wait a minute or so to pass me. When he
>> finally passed me, he floored the car and even glared at me as he
>> drove past. About 20 blocks later, I passed him stopped on the
>> side of the road and a police car behind him. The cop was just
>> getting out of his car. LOLOLOL!
>>
>
> I love it when someone who is in such a rush to get past me winds up
> sitting next to me at the next stop light.
>


Make sure to honk and wave.

On 2018-05-02 7:56 PM, wrote:
> On Wed, 2 May 2018 17:33:16 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> Like Turk and Caicos where the biggest business is tax shelter banking.
>> A few years back they were hit hard with a hurricane and asked Canada
>> for aid to clean up the mess. That would take tax money, perhaps as much
>> tax money as was not being paid to our government because it was being
>> hidden in their banks.
>
> Yes but a few years prior to that they asked to be part of NS and
> sadly we turned them down.
>

They did?? Canada has shown a little interest in annexing the islands
and NS proposed it could be annexed to their province to simplify the
process but it was never very serious.

On 5/2/2018 9:47 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-05-02 7:09 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 5/2/2018 3:13 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> My mother's friend was still driving into her 90s. She had several
>>> accidents. My mother went shopping with her are the local mall and
>>> the old girl ran over a stop sign in the parking lot.
>>>
>>>
>> At some point you just have to give up, but then how do you get to the
>> store?Â* Where I live is so far off the beaten path it's darned near
>> impossible to get a taxi to show up.Â* It's probably easier these days
>> with things such as Uber or Lyft, although I don't know how prevalent
>> those options are around here.
>>
>> My father handed his keys to my mother after he backed out of the
>> garage and kept on going... right into the neighbors fence.Â* If anyone
>> had told him he shouldn't be driving he'd have balked.Â* Having to get
>> out his checkbook was all it took to convince him he didn't need to be
>> behind the wheel anymore.
>
> I worked a short stint as a driver examiner.At that time drivers over
> age age 80 and those over 70 who had had an accident had to do an annual
> road test.Â* We reserved Wednesday morning for seniors road tests. I
> quickly learned to hate Wednesdays. We had some people who were weekly
> regulars because they simply could not pass.

Yes, you've said so before. I was merely pointing out once my father
had to pay to replace the neighbors fence he gave up the keys. He
realized he shouldn't be driving. I know he couldn't have passed a
drivers test. I'm sure he knew that, too. And yes, they should be
mandatory.

Jill

On 5/2/2018 9:47 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2018-05-02 7:16 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 5/2/2018 12:34 PM, Gary wrote:
>>> That actually happened to me once years ago. North end of beach
>>> and I was driving the speed limit of 35mph. One fellow vroomed up
>>> behind me and had to wait a minute or so to pass me. When he
>>> finally passed me, he floored the car and even glared at me as he
>>> drove past. About 20 blocks later, I passed him stopped on the
>>> side of the road and a police car behind him. The cop was just
>>> getting out of his car. LOLOLOL!
>>>
>>
>> I love it when someone who is in such a rush to get past me winds up
>> sitting next to me at the next stop light.
>>
>
>
> Make sure to honk and wave.
>
Nope, I'm not a honker nor a gesturer. I just glance over, smile and
think to myself "See what zipping around me so fast accomplished?
Absolutely nothing." Nice to see ya again.

Jill