On 4/8/2017 2:17 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/8/2017 3:41 PM, wrote:
>> looking to buy my first Smart cell phone
>> [currently i just own a simple cell phone, no www]
>>
>> i don't plan on using it that much,
>> and i see a few have replaceable batteries,
>> and was wondering if that would come in handy,
>> 5 years from now if/when the battery dies
>>
>> how long do these smart phones batteries last?
>> i assume they die eventually
>>
>> thanks
>> marc
>>
>
> Un-replaceable batteries can be replaced but will cost about $60 at a
> service center. Yes, after about 18 to 24 months you will see some
> difference depending on use.
>
> I bought an LG phone because the battery could be replaced. After not
> quite 2 years I went back to Samsung because the LG had other issues.
> My wife's Samsung gets light use and any battery deterioration is not
> noticeable after 3 years.
>
> IMO, it is not a big consideration and a Samsung S7 or new S8 is the way
> to go.
>

What happens when you need to pull out the battery to do a real reset,
if the batteries are not replaceable?

On 4/9/2017 10:43 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:

>>
>> Un-replaceable batteries can be replaced but will cost about $60 at a
>> service center. Yes, after about 18 to 24 months you will see some
>> difference depending on use.
>>
>> I bought an LG phone because the battery could be replaced. After not
>> quite 2 years I went back to Samsung because the LG had other issues.
>> My wife's Samsung gets light use and any battery deterioration is not
>> noticeable after 3 years.
>>
>> IMO, it is not a big consideration and a Samsung S7 or new S8 is the way
>> to go.
>>
>
> What happens when you need to pull out the battery to do a real reset,
> if the batteries are not replaceable?

http://www.samsung.com/hk_en/support/skp/faq/401927

On 4/9/2017 8:01 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/9/2017 10:43 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Un-replaceable batteries can be replaced but will cost about $60 at a
>>> service center. Yes, after about 18 to 24 months you will see some
>>> difference depending on use.
>>>
>>> I bought an LG phone because the battery could be replaced. After not
>>> quite 2 years I went back to Samsung because the LG had other issues.
>>> My wife's Samsung gets light use and any battery deterioration is not
>>> noticeable after 3 years.
>>>
>>> IMO, it is not a big consideration and a Samsung S7 or new S8 is the way
>>> to go.
>>>
>>
>> What happens when you need to pull out the battery to do a real reset,
>> if the batteries are not replaceable?
>
> http://www.samsung.com/hk_en/support/skp/faq/401927
>

"Factory data reset allows users to delete all data stored in the mobile
device."

er, no thanks!

On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 10:43:54 AM UTC-4, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 4/8/2017 2:17 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 4/8/2017 3:41 PM, wrote:
> >> looking to buy my first Smart cell phone
> >> [currently i just own a simple cell phone, no www]
> >>
> >> i don't plan on using it that much,
> >> and i see a few have replaceable batteries,
> >> and was wondering if that would come in handy,
> >> 5 years from now if/when the battery dies
> >>
> >> how long do these smart phones batteries last?
> >> i assume they die eventually
> >>
> >> thanks
> >> marc
> >>
> >
> > Un-replaceable batteries can be replaced but will cost about $60 at a
> > service center. Yes, after about 18 to 24 months you will see some
> > difference depending on use.
> >
> > I bought an LG phone because the battery could be replaced. After not
> > quite 2 years I went back to Samsung because the LG had other issues.
> > My wife's Samsung gets light use and any battery deterioration is not
> > noticeable after 3 years.
> >
> > IMO, it is not a big consideration and a Samsung S7 or new S8 is the way
> > to go.
> >
>
> What happens when you need to pull out the battery to do a real reset,
> if the batteries are not replaceable?

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
I've had an iPhone for three years and it has never needed a "real reset".

Cindy Hamilton

On 4/9/2017 9:00 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 10:43:54 AM UTC-4, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> On 4/8/2017 2:17 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 4/8/2017 3:41 PM, wrote:
>>>> looking to buy my first Smart cell phone
>>>> [currently i just own a simple cell phone, no www]
>>>>
>>>> i don't plan on using it that much,
>>>> and i see a few have replaceable batteries,
>>>> and was wondering if that would come in handy,
>>>> 5 years from now if/when the battery dies
>>>>
>>>> how long do these smart phones batteries last?
>>>> i assume they die eventually
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>> marc
>>>>
>>>
>>> Un-replaceable batteries can be replaced but will cost about $60 at a
>>> service center. Yes, after about 18 to 24 months you will see some
>>> difference depending on use.
>>>
>>> I bought an LG phone because the battery could be replaced. After not
>>> quite 2 years I went back to Samsung because the LG had other issues.
>>> My wife's Samsung gets light use and any battery deterioration is not
>>> noticeable after 3 years.
>>>
>>> IMO, it is not a big consideration and a Samsung S7 or new S8 is the way
>>> to go.
>>>
>>
>> What happens when you need to pull out the battery to do a real reset,
>> if the batteries are not replaceable?
>
> Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
> I've had an iPhone for three years and it has never needed a "real reset".
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>


I know people with Iphones and Ipads that did.

On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 11:10:13 AM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 4/9/2017 9:00 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 10:43:54 AM UTC-4, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >> On 4/8/2017 2:17 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>> On 4/8/2017 3:41 PM, wrote:
> >>>> looking to buy my first Smart cell phone
> >>>> [currently i just own a simple cell phone, no www]
> >>>>
> >>>> i don't plan on using it that much,
> >>>> and i see a few have replaceable batteries,
> >>>> and was wondering if that would come in handy,
> >>>> 5 years from now if/when the battery dies
> >>>>
> >>>> how long do these smart phones batteries last?
> >>>> i assume they die eventually
> >>>>
> >>>> thanks
> >>>> marc
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Un-replaceable batteries can be replaced but will cost about $60 at a
> >>> service center. Yes, after about 18 to 24 months you will see some
> >>> difference depending on use.
> >>>
> >>> I bought an LG phone because the battery could be replaced. After not
> >>> quite 2 years I went back to Samsung because the LG had other issues.
> >>> My wife's Samsung gets light use and any battery deterioration is not
> >>> noticeable after 3 years.
> >>>
> >>> IMO, it is not a big consideration and a Samsung S7 or new S8 is the way
> >>> to go.
> >>>
> >>
> >> What happens when you need to pull out the battery to do a real reset,
> >> if the batteries are not replaceable?
> >
> > Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
> > I've had an iPhone for three years and it has never needed a "real reset".
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
>
>
> I know people with Iphones and Ipads that did.

They are ALL expensive little SPY DEVICES!!

John Kuthe...

On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 12:58:23 PM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 11:10:13 AM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> > On 4/9/2017 9:00 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 10:43:54 AM UTC-4, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> > >> On 4/8/2017 2:17 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > >>> On 4/8/2017 3:41 PM, wrote:
> > >>>> looking to buy my first Smart cell phone
> > >>>> [currently i just own a simple cell phone, no www]
> > >>>>
> > >>>> i don't plan on using it that much,
> > >>>> and i see a few have replaceable batteries,
> > >>>> and was wondering if that would come in handy,
> > >>>> 5 years from now if/when the battery dies
> > >>>>
> > >>>> how long do these smart phones batteries last?
> > >>>> i assume they die eventually
> > >>>>
> > >>>> thanks
> > >>>> marc
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Un-replaceable batteries can be replaced but will cost about $60 at a
> > >>> service center. Yes, after about 18 to 24 months you will see some
> > >>> difference depending on use.
> > >>>
> > >>> I bought an LG phone because the battery could be replaced. After not
> > >>> quite 2 years I went back to Samsung because the LG had other issues.
> > >>> My wife's Samsung gets light use and any battery deterioration is not
> > >>> noticeable after 3 years.
> > >>>
> > >>> IMO, it is not a big consideration and a Samsung S7 or new S8 is the way
> > >>> to go.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> What happens when you need to pull out the battery to do a real reset,
> > >> if the batteries are not replaceable?
> > >
> > > Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
> > > I've had an iPhone for three years and it has never needed a "real reset".
> > >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> > >
> >
> >
> > I know people with Iphones and Ipads that did.
>
> They are ALL expensive little SPY DEVICES!!

Fine. We know that, and accept it. Time for a pill, John. Too
many words in all caps, too many exclamation points.

Cindy Hamilton

On 4/9/2017 1:42 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>>
>> They are ALL expensive little SPY DEVICES!!
>
> Fine. We know that, and accept it. Time for a pill, John. Too
> many words in all caps, too many exclamation points.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Not so bad though. The NSA is making a movie of my life based on
information from my phone. Ninety minutes of a dull screen.

On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 14:54:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 4/9/2017 1:42 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>>>
>>> They are ALL expensive little SPY DEVICES!!
>>
>> Fine. We know that, and accept it. Time for a pill, John. Too
>> many words in all caps, too many exclamation points.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>
>Not so bad though. The NSA is making a movie of my life based on
>information from my phone. Ninety minutes of a dull screen.

I hope you demanded money for the rights to show the movie in china?

On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 6:58:23 AM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 11:10:13 AM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> > On 4/9/2017 9:00 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 10:43:54 AM UTC-4, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> > >> On 4/8/2017 2:17 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > >>> On 4/8/2017 3:41 PM, wrote:
> > >>>> looking to buy my first Smart cell phone
> > >>>> [currently i just own a simple cell phone, no www]
> > >>>>
> > >>>> i don't plan on using it that much,
> > >>>> and i see a few have replaceable batteries,
> > >>>> and was wondering if that would come in handy,
> > >>>> 5 years from now if/when the battery dies
> > >>>>
> > >>>> how long do these smart phones batteries last?
> > >>>> i assume they die eventually
> > >>>>
> > >>>> thanks
> > >>>> marc
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Un-replaceable batteries can be replaced but will cost about $60 at a
> > >>> service center. Yes, after about 18 to 24 months you will see some
> > >>> difference depending on use.
> > >>>
> > >>> I bought an LG phone because the battery could be replaced. After not
> > >>> quite 2 years I went back to Samsung because the LG had other issues.
> > >>> My wife's Samsung gets light use and any battery deterioration is not
> > >>> noticeable after 3 years.
> > >>>
> > >>> IMO, it is not a big consideration and a Samsung S7 or new S8 is the way
> > >>> to go.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> What happens when you need to pull out the battery to do a real reset,
> > >> if the batteries are not replaceable?
> > >
> > > Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
> > > I've had an iPhone for three years and it has never needed a "real reset".
> > >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> > >
> >
> >
> > I know people with Iphones and Ipads that did.
>
> They are ALL expensive little SPY DEVICES!!
>
> John Kuthe...

You got that right. At least they're not DEATH MACHINES that will kill 40,000 people and maim many more in the US yearly. My understanding is that you have 2 of these AWFUL DEVICES. GET RID OF THEM IMMEDIATELY!!!

On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 6:00:50 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 10:43:54 AM UTC-4, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> > On 4/8/2017 2:17 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > On 4/8/2017 3:41 PM, wrote:
> > >> looking to buy my first Smart cell phone
> > >> [currently i just own a simple cell phone, no www]
> > >>
> > >> i don't plan on using it that much,
> > >> and i see a few have replaceable batteries,
> > >> and was wondering if that would come in handy,
> > >> 5 years from now if/when the battery dies
> > >>
> > >> how long do these smart phones batteries last?
> > >> i assume they die eventually
> > >>
> > >> thanks
> > >> marc
> > >>
> > >
> > > Un-replaceable batteries can be replaced but will cost about $60 at a
> > > service center. Yes, after about 18 to 24 months you will see some
> > > difference depending on use.
> > >
> > > I bought an LG phone because the battery could be replaced. After not
> > > quite 2 years I went back to Samsung because the LG had other issues.
> > > My wife's Samsung gets light use and any battery deterioration is not
> > > noticeable after 3 years.
> > >
> > > IMO, it is not a big consideration and a Samsung S7 or new S8 is the way
> > > to go.
> > >
> >
> > What happens when you need to pull out the battery to do a real reset,
> > if the batteries are not replaceable?
>
> Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
> I've had an iPhone for three years and it has never needed a "real reset"..
>
> Cindy Hamilton

He probably means a hard boot. You might need to do this if your device locks up and becomes unresponsive. I think you hold the on button and the volume up buttons for a few seconds on an iOS device. This does not remove any programs or change settings.

You should do a factory reset to return a device to it's like new state if you transfer your device to another user. On an Android device that option is called a "factory reset" and it's a fairly simple procedure. On a Chromebook, it's called a "Powerwash." Doing a factory reset on a Windows machine is a little "involved."

On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 12:57:09 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 6:00:50 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 10:43:54 AM UTC-4, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> > > On 4/8/2017 2:17 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > > On 4/8/2017 3:41 PM, wrote:
> > > >> looking to buy my first Smart cell phone
> > > >> [currently i just own a simple cell phone, no www]
> > > >>
> > > >> i don't plan on using it that much,
> > > >> and i see a few have replaceable batteries,
> > > >> and was wondering if that would come in handy,
> > > >> 5 years from now if/when the battery dies
> > > >>
> > > >> how long do these smart phones batteries last?
> > > >> i assume they die eventually
> > > >>
> > > >> thanks
> > > >> marc
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > Un-replaceable batteries can be replaced but will cost about $60 at a
> > > > service center. Yes, after about 18 to 24 months you will see some
> > > > difference depending on use.
> > > >
> > > > I bought an LG phone because the battery could be replaced. After not
> > > > quite 2 years I went back to Samsung because the LG had other issues.
> > > > My wife's Samsung gets light use and any battery deterioration is not
> > > > noticeable after 3 years.
> > > >
> > > > IMO, it is not a big consideration and a Samsung S7 or new S8 is the way
> > > > to go.
> > > >
> > >
> > > What happens when you need to pull out the battery to do a real reset,
> > > if the batteries are not replaceable?
> >
> > Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
> > I've had an iPhone for three years and it has never needed a "real reset".
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> He probably means a hard boot. You might need to do this if your device locks up and becomes unresponsive. I think you hold the on button and the volume up buttons for a few seconds on an iOS device. This does not remove any programs or change settings.
>
> You should do a factory reset to return a device to it's like new state if you transfer your device to another user. On an Android device that option is called a "factory reset" and it's a fairly simple procedure. On a Chromebook, it's called a "Powerwash." Doing a factory reset on a Windows machine is a little "involved."

We generally bandsaw the hard disk in half before sending a computer to
the recyclers.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 7:41:24 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 12:57:09 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 6:00:50 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 10:43:54 AM UTC-4, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> > > > On 4/8/2017 2:17 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > > > On 4/8/2017 3:41 PM, wrote:
> > > > >> looking to buy my first Smart cell phone
> > > > >> [currently i just own a simple cell phone, no www]
> > > > >>
> > > > >> i don't plan on using it that much,
> > > > >> and i see a few have replaceable batteries,
> > > > >> and was wondering if that would come in handy,
> > > > >> 5 years from now if/when the battery dies
> > > > >>
> > > > >> how long do these smart phones batteries last?
> > > > >> i assume they die eventually
> > > > >>
> > > > >> thanks
> > > > >> marc
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > Un-replaceable batteries can be replaced but will cost about $60 at a
> > > > > service center. Yes, after about 18 to 24 months you will see some
> > > > > difference depending on use.
> > > > >
> > > > > I bought an LG phone because the battery could be replaced. After not
> > > > > quite 2 years I went back to Samsung because the LG had other issues.
> > > > > My wife's Samsung gets light use and any battery deterioration is not
> > > > > noticeable after 3 years.
> > > > >
> > > > > IMO, it is not a big consideration and a Samsung S7 or new S8 is the way
> > > > > to go.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > What happens when you need to pull out the battery to do a real reset,
> > > > if the batteries are not replaceable?
> > >
> > > Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
> > > I've had an iPhone for three years and it has never needed a "real reset".
> > >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > He probably means a hard boot. You might need to do this if your device locks up and becomes unresponsive. I think you hold the on button and the volume up buttons for a few seconds on an iOS device. This does not remove any programs or change settings.
> >
> > You should do a factory reset to return a device to it's like new state if you transfer your device to another user. On an Android device that option is called a "factory reset" and it's a fairly simple procedure. On a Chromebook, it's called a "Powerwash." Doing a factory reset on a Windows machine is a little "involved."
>
> We generally bandsaw the hard disk in half before sending a computer to
> the recyclers.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Hopefully, you remember to remove the hard drive first. I just remove the drive and dismantle it. I have a bunch of rare earth magnets on my refrigerator. They're fun! I can't say if sawing a drive in half is going to work on a SSD.

On a Chromebook, doing a powerwash should be OK for most people, since the drives are encrypted.

Cindy Hamilton > wrote:
> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 10:43:54 AM UTC-4, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> On 4/8/2017 2:17 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 4/8/2017 3:41 PM, wrote:
>>>> looking to buy my first Smart cell phone
>>>> [currently i just own a simple cell phone, no www]
>>>>
>>>> i don't plan on using it that much,
>>>> and i see a few have replaceable batteries,
>>>> and was wondering if that would come in handy,
>>>> 5 years from now if/when the battery dies
>>>>
>>>> how long do these smart phones batteries last?
>>>> i assume they die eventually
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>> marc
>>>>
>>>
>>> Un-replaceable batteries can be replaced but will cost about $60 at a
>>> service center. Yes, after about 18 to 24 months you will see some
>>> difference depending on use.
>>>
>>> I bought an LG phone because the battery could be replaced. After not
>>> quite 2 years I went back to Samsung because the LG had other issues.
>>> My wife's Samsung gets light use and any battery deterioration is not
>>> noticeable after 3 years.
>>>
>>> IMO, it is not a big consideration and a Samsung S7 or new S8 is the way
>>> to go.
>>>
>>
>> What happens when you need to pull out the battery to do a real reset,
>> if the batteries are not replaceable?
>
> Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?
> I've had an iPhone for three years and it has never needed a "real reset".
>
> Cindy Hamilton

I sometimes just power off/on to resolve issue, like the dam thing hates to
look for a cell tower in remote area, after it looses reception for a bit.
Really smart.

Greg

On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 4:43:54 AM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 4/8/2017 2:17 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 4/8/2017 3:41 PM, wrote:
> >> looking to buy my first Smart cell phone
> >> [currently i just own a simple cell phone, no www]
> >>
> >> i don't plan on using it that much,
> >> and i see a few have replaceable batteries,
> >> and was wondering if that would come in handy,
> >> 5 years from now if/when the battery dies
> >>
> >> how long do these smart phones batteries last?
> >> i assume they die eventually
> >>
> >> thanks
> >> marc
> >>
> >
> > Un-replaceable batteries can be replaced but will cost about $60 at a
> > service center. Yes, after about 18 to 24 months you will see some
> > difference depending on use.
> >
> > I bought an LG phone because the battery could be replaced. After not
> > quite 2 years I went back to Samsung because the LG had other issues.
> > My wife's Samsung gets light use and any battery deterioration is not
> > noticeable after 3 years.
> >
> > IMO, it is not a big consideration and a Samsung S7 or new S8 is the way
> > to go.
> >
>
> What happens when you need to pull out the battery to do a real reset,
> if the batteries are not replaceable?

Most of the new premium phones do not have replaceable batteries. My guess is that having a removable door would make for a thicker phone. Thinness is trending. The batteries in these thin phones are used as a stiffening element by attaching the thin battery to the frame/board with tape. An electronic technician can still replace the battery. Removing the battery from the phone is a little scary. You have to pry it loose.

On 4/9/2017 1:01 PM, Sqwertz wrote:

> I didn't even know they had cell-phones with non-replaceable
> batteries. That would definitely would be a drawback for me since I
> carry around extra charged batteries.
>
When I used phones with replaceable batteries, that's what I did - now I
carry an external battery and short cord.