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barbie gee[_2_] 21-08-2016 04:21 AM

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On Sat, 20 Aug 2016, graham wrote:

> On 8/20/2016 8:51 AM, wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 07:41:53 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton

>
>>
>> Yes, we go for cremation immediately. My first experience this side
>> of the Pond was a neighbour. We dutifully went to the funeral parlour
>> and when she took us up to the coffin - er casket - there was poor
>> George lying there amidst all this satin, totally alien to his
>> personality. To my horror his widow went over to him and asked me "Do
>> you think he looks better with or without his glasses?" and whipped
>> them off his face :(
>>

> I have followed my father's advice. Never view the corpse! Remember them as
> they lived!


Wakes are a big deal in my experience, and I recently went to a wake where
there was a closed casket, and it was weird to me. The guy didn't die in
a way that was disfiguring, it was something that was done to "protect"
the widow from having to view her dead husband. Her family didn't "let"
her see him in the ER after he passed away, either. I'm sort of a "seeing
is believing" person, so it was hard for me to process that the guy was
really dead and gone.

The first wake I went to was my grandfather's, when I was 7. Things were
explained to me very gently, and I wasn't traumatized or scared, and wakes
after that all made sense to me; a chance to process the idea that the
"person" is gone, and all that remains is the shell, and to say a goodbye
in some way, knowing this is the last you'll see of them.

Some of it's cultural, some of it's regional traditions, religion, too. I
still can't quite get used to the idea that people used to lay the corpse
out in the house, in the parlor or whereever. Ick.

barbie gee[_2_] 21-08-2016 04:30 AM

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On Sat, 20 Aug 2016, William wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 11:29:52 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>> I have followed my father's advice. Never view the corpse! Remember them
>> as they lived!
>> Graham

>
>
> I agree with you Graham. When my Mom passed, my Sister pulled out her
> iphone and started snapping photos. It freaked me out. I screamed at
> my Sister. Do you really think Mom would want you photographing her in
> this condition? Some people have a brain that wishes to record visual
> reminders of the saddest moments in their life. Never mind they saw it
> with their eyes and commited it to memory. It really disgusts me to
> see how some people make videos in the funeral parlor. Sick minds as
> far as I am concerned.



I remember back when I was a kid, if a relative died in Europe,
occasionally a photo of them in their casket would be sent to close family
who couldn't make it to the Old Country for the funeral.
Videotaping seems a bit over the top.

Ed Pawlowski 21-08-2016 04:56 AM

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On 8/20/2016 9:55 PM, William wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 11:29:52 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>> I have followed my father's advice. Never view the corpse! Remember them
>> as they lived!
>> Graham

>
>
> I agree with you Graham. When my Mom passed, my Sister pulled out her
> iphone and started snapping photos. It freaked me out. I screamed at
> my Sister. Do you really think Mom would want you photographing her in
> this condition? Some people have a brain that wishes to record visual
> reminders of the saddest moments in their life. Never mind they saw it
> with their eyes and commited it to memory. It really disgusts me to
> see how some people make videos in the funeral parlor. Sick minds as
> far as I am concerned.
>
> William
>


It was not uncommon to take a photo of the deceased in the coffin many
years ago. I see no reason to take any sort of photo today even of the
mourners.

Leonard Blaisdell[_2_] 21-08-2016 06:21 AM

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In article >, Cheri >
wrote:

> No, if you are my friend, I will see you when you're alive, not when you're
> dead...and if you were my friend, you would have received the flowers while
> you could still smell them.


My Mom told me, "Pay your respects to the living." It stuck with me,
and I do.

leo

Ophelia[_14_] 21-08-2016 08:22 AM

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"graham" wrote in message ...

On 8/20/2016 1:13 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Cheri" wrote in message ...
>
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>> wrote in message ...
>>
>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 11:29:52 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/20/2016 8:51 AM, wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 07:41:53 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, we go for cremation immediately. My first experience this side
>>>> of the Pond was a neighbour. We dutifully went to the funeral parlour
>>>> and when she took us up to the coffin - er casket - there was poor
>>>> George lying there amidst all this satin, totally alien to his
>>>> personality. To my horror his widow went over to him and asked me "Do
>>>> you think he looks better with or without his glasses?" and whipped
>>>> them off his face :(
>>>>
>>> I have followed my father's advice. Never view the corpse! Remember them
>>> as they lived!
>>> Graham

>>
>> Correct !
>>
>> -------------------
>>
>> We have decided to be cremated with no showing and no service.

>
> Same with us, and whichever goes last will scatter the others ashes with
> our
> dogs ashes.
>
> Cheri
> ----------------------
>
> !!!!!!!!! Our dog's ashes are on our fireplace and our will states that
> their ashes will be scattered with ours ..............
>
> Wow.
>
> :)))))
>
>

No! Bow-wow!

------------

If you say so:)) Our current dog didn't bark and it was several months
before she made any sounds at all. It is more a squeak and an 'arf arf' now
<g>



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Ophelia[_14_] 21-08-2016 08:26 AM

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"Cheri" wrote in message ...


"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> "Cheri" wrote in message ...
>
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>> wrote in message ...
>>
>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 11:29:52 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>
>>>On 8/20/2016 8:51 AM, wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 07:41:53 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, we go for cremation immediately. My first experience this side
>>>> of the Pond was a neighbour. We dutifully went to the funeral parlour
>>>> and when she took us up to the coffin - er casket - there was poor
>>>> George lying there amidst all this satin, totally alien to his
>>>> personality. To my horror his widow went over to him and asked me "Do
>>>> you think he looks better with or without his glasses?" and whipped
>>>> them off his face :(
>>>>
>>>I have followed my father's advice. Never view the corpse! Remember them
>>>as they lived!
>>>Graham

>>
>> Correct !
>>
>> -------------------
>>
>> We have decided to be cremated with no showing and no service.

>
> Same with us, and whichever goes last will scatter the others ashes with
> our
> dogs ashes.
>
> Cheri
> ----------------------
>
> !!!!!!!!! Our dog's ashes are on our fireplace and our will states that
> their ashes will be scattered with ours ..............
>
> Wow.
>
> :)))))


Yes, Sophie is in an urn on the hall table. We have arrangements for Annie
as well in case she outlives us through our son. :)

Cheri

--------------------------

Just the way it should be:)))) Heck they are a big part of our lives:))

You are only other person I have heard of doing this, but I am not
surprised:))


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Ophelia[_14_] 21-08-2016 08:27 AM

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"Cheri" wrote in message ...


"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On 8/20/2016 2:30 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>

>
>
>> View the body while it's alive, oh and send flowers then too.
>> Cheri
>>

>
> Let me get this straight. If I send you photos of my body you will send
> flowers in return. Would you like a video too?
>
> -----------
>
> That you pushing your luck, Ed? <g>


We actually had a friend that did a eulogy party for himself several years
before he died. Everyone was dressed in black and he was dressed in white.
It was a roaring party and he got to hear what everyone would say. I did not
like the idea though since he was perfectly healthy at the time and I
thought it was bad luck, but that's maybe just me.

Cheri
--------------

No, me too. I agree.


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Ophelia[_14_] 21-08-2016 08:30 AM

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"graham" wrote in message ...

On 8/20/2016 7:55 PM, William wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 11:29:52 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>> I have followed my father's advice. Never view the corpse! Remember them
>> as they lived!
>> Graham

>
>
> I agree with you Graham. When my Mom passed, my Sister pulled out her
> iphone and started snapping photos. It freaked me out. I screamed at
> my Sister. Do you really think Mom would want you photographing her in
> this condition? Some people have a brain that wishes to record visual
> reminders of the saddest moments in their life. Never mind they saw it
> with their eyes and commited it to memory. It really disgusts me to
> see how some people make videos in the funeral parlor. Sick minds as
> far as I am concerned.
>
> William
>

I have stipulated in my will that the absolute minimum should be
expended on my funeral. I told my lawyer to put "a sack will do" in the
document and although she agreed with my sentiment, she didn't think it
would pass:-)
Graham
----------------

Well, I and someone else mentioned what we intend to do. Immediate
cremation!

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jmcquown[_2_] 21-08-2016 11:24 AM

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On 8/20/2016 11:56 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> It was not uncommon to take a photo of the deceased in the coffin many
> years ago. I see no reason to take any sort of photo today even of the
> mourners.


Photographing the dead became fashionable in the Victorian era with the
onset of daguerreotype photography. People weren't always photographed
in coffins. I find it particularly creepy that they used to pose them
(especially children) as if they were still alive. Google turns up some
rather disturbing images. I guess they got what they wanted...
preserved (so to speak) for posterity. Heh.

'Weekend with Bernie', anyone? ;)

Jill


Gary 21-08-2016 12:21 PM

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Ophelia wrote:
>
> "Cheri" wrote:
> Yes, Sophie is in an urn on the hall table. We have arrangements for Annie
> as well in case she outlives us through our son. :)
>
> Cheri
>
> --------------------------
>
> Just the way it should be:)))) Heck they are a big part of our lives:))
>
> You are only other person I have heard of doing this, but I am not
> surprised:))


I thought I've said this before. My daughter knows to cremate me and
spread ashes in the state park where my beloved 4 ferrets are buried. I
evidently saved the best for last as Mia was the coolest, but I loved
them all. Illegal to do? yes but luckily we don't have ashes police
watching everyone.

Before the ferrets came into my life, I just said put my body in a
dumpster. Who cares? I'll be done with it by then. :-D

I've only been to 4 funerals in my life. Only looked once at a
viewing...big mistake. Even more sadly, the last two many years ago were
two teenage girls, my daughter's friends, that were both killed in the
same car accident.

Anyway, I just don't do funerals at all anymore. I think it's a creepy
tradition and always some stupid religious service included. I prefer
to remember people from when they were alive and happy...or even sick
and dying, but not dead.

My old parents will go somewhat soon and I'm not sure what to do about
that. Mom knows and accepts how I feel about it. At the same time I can
hear it now, "Their oldest son didn't even come to their funerals? How
disrespectful."

sigh Maybe I'll get lucky and go first. Problem solved.

William[_5_] 21-08-2016 01:03 PM

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On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 21:55:14 -0400, William > wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 11:29:52 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>>I have followed my father's advice. Never view the corpse! Remember them
>>as they lived!
>>Graham

>
>
>I agree with you Graham. When my Mom passed, my Sister pulled out her
>iphone and started snapping photos. It freaked me out. I screamed at
>my Sister. Do you really think Mom would want you photographing her in
>this condition? Some people have a brain that wishes to record visual
>reminders of the saddest moments in their life. Never mind they saw it
>with their eyes and commited it to memory. It really disgusts me to
>see how some people make videos in the funeral parlor. Sick minds as
>far as I am concerned.
>
>William


This reminds me of something a man told me many years ago. He had
formerly worked in the funeral industry. He said funeral directors get
really excited when members of "a certain" very prominent religion
die. The families go all out with very extravagant funerals costing
outrageous sums of money.

I say these poor people are complete idiots. My Dad started a trend I
am continuing in my family. Cremation costs $750. Comparing that with
$50,000 for a traditional funeral...what would you choose?

Did you hear about the fellow who ordered his wife to put all his
money in the coffin with him at his death. When the day arrived, his
widow wrote a check and through it in the coffin exclaiming to
him...don't spend it all in one place!


William




Ophelia[_14_] 21-08-2016 01:35 PM

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"Gary" wrote in message ...

Ophelia wrote:
>
> "Cheri" wrote:
> Yes, Sophie is in an urn on the hall table. We have arrangements for Annie
> as well in case she outlives us through our son. :)
>
> Cheri
>
> --------------------------
>
> Just the way it should be:)))) Heck they are a big part of our lives:))
>
> You are only other person I have heard of doing this, but I am not
> surprised:))


I thought I've said this before. My daughter knows to cremate me and
spread ashes in the state park where my beloved 4 ferrets are buried. I
evidently saved the best for last as Mia was the coolest, but I loved
them all. Illegal to do? yes but luckily we don't have ashes police
watching everyone.

Before the ferrets came into my life, I just said put my body in a
dumpster. Who cares? I'll be done with it by then. :-D

I've only been to 4 funerals in my life. Only looked once at a
viewing...big mistake. Even more sadly, the last two many years ago were
two teenage girls, my daughter's friends, that were both killed in the
same car accident.

Anyway, I just don't do funerals at all anymore. I think it's a creepy
tradition and always some stupid religious service included. I prefer
to remember people from when they were alive and happy...or even sick
and dying, but not dead.

My old parents will go somewhat soon and I'm not sure what to do about
that. Mom knows and accepts how I feel about it. At the same time I can
hear it now, "Their oldest son didn't even come to their funerals? How
disrespectful."

sigh Maybe I'll get lucky and go first. Problem solved.
-----------

I don't have an answer to your problem about your parents, but I am pleased
your daughter agrees with you.



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk


Nancy Young[_8_] 21-08-2016 03:10 PM

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On 8/20/2016 11:21 PM, barbie gee wrote:

> Wakes are a big deal in my experience, and I recently went to a wake
> where there was a closed casket, and it was weird to me. The guy didn't
> die in a way that was disfiguring, it was something that was done to
> "protect" the widow from having to view her dead husband.


An intern at work was killed on a highway in Connecticut. She
was from the Caribbean, I think her accent was French but I'm not
positive, it's been a long time. Her funeral was in Brooklyn and
people from the group took a van up to pay their respects.

They were shocked to find an open casket with an unrecognizable
person. She'd gotten out of her car so it was not good. Different
customs, for sure.

> Some of it's cultural, some of it's regional traditions, religion, too.
> I still can't quite get used to the idea that people used to lay the
> corpse out in the house, in the parlor or whereever. Ick.


When I'm out, just cremate me and toss the ashes somewhere nice. No
looking at my dead body, never mind in the livingroom.

My sil arranged a small memorial service for my inlaws, people
came, if you wanted to, tell a story, and everyone went out for
a luncheon. Very nice.

nancy


Cheri[_3_] 21-08-2016 05:06 PM

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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> "Cheri" wrote in message ...
>
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Cheri" wrote in message ...
>>
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> wrote in message ...
>>>
>>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 11:29:52 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 8/20/2016 8:51 AM, wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 07:41:53 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, we go for cremation immediately. My first experience this side
>>>>> of the Pond was a neighbour. We dutifully went to the funeral parlour
>>>>> and when she took us up to the coffin - er casket - there was poor
>>>>> George lying there amidst all this satin, totally alien to his
>>>>> personality. To my horror his widow went over to him and asked me "Do
>>>>> you think he looks better with or without his glasses?" and whipped
>>>>> them off his face :(
>>>>>
>>>>I have followed my father's advice. Never view the corpse! Remember them
>>>>as they lived!
>>>>Graham
>>>
>>> Correct !
>>>
>>> -------------------
>>>
>>> We have decided to be cremated with no showing and no service.

>>
>> Same with us, and whichever goes last will scatter the others ashes with
>> our
>> dogs ashes.
>>
>> Cheri
>> ----------------------
>>
>> !!!!!!!!! Our dog's ashes are on our fireplace and our will states that
>> their ashes will be scattered with ours ..............
>>
>> Wow.
>>
>> :)))))

>
> Yes, Sophie is in an urn on the hall table. We have arrangements for Annie
> as well in case she outlives us through our son. :)
>
> Cheri
>
> --------------------------
>
> Just the way it should be:)))) Heck they are a big part of our lives:))
>
> You are only other person I have heard of doing this, but I am not
> surprised:))


Makes perfect sense to me and thee, so that's what matters. :)))

Cheri


tert in seattle 21-08-2016 05:21 PM

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Ophelia wrote:
> "Cheri" wrote in message ...
>
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> On 8/20/2016 2:30 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>

>>
>>
>>> View the body while it's alive, oh and send flowers then too.
>>> Cheri
>>>

>>
>> Let me get this straight. If I send you photos of my body you will send
>> flowers in return. Would you like a video too?
>>
>> -----------
>>
>> That you pushing your luck, Ed? <g>

>
> We actually had a friend that did a eulogy party for himself several years
> before he died. Everyone was dressed in black and he was dressed in white.
> It was a roaring party and he got to hear what everyone would say. I did not
> like the idea though since he was perfectly healthy at the time and I
> thought it was bad luck, but that's maybe just me.
>
> Cheri
> --------------
>
> No, me too. I agree.


it is an interesting thought experiment - consider what would happen after
you die suddenly and unexpectedly

no need to bore your friends with it though


Dave Smith[_1_] 21-08-2016 05:49 PM

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On 2016-08-21 10:10 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 8/20/2016 11:21 PM, barbie gee wrote:
>
>> Wakes are a big deal in my experience, and I recently went to a wake
>> where there was a closed casket, and it was weird to me. The guy didn't
>> die in a way that was disfiguring, it was something that was done to
>> "protect" the widow from having to view her dead husband.

>
> An intern at work was killed on a highway in Connecticut. She
> was from the Caribbean, I think her accent was French but I'm not
> positive, it's been a long time. Her funeral was in Brooklyn and
> people from the group took a van up to pay their respects.
>
> They were shocked to find an open casket with an unrecognizable
> person. She'd gotten out of her car so it was not good. Different
> customs, for sure.
>


Ouch. They usually have closed caskets for things like that.

>> Some of it's cultural, some of it's regional traditions, religion, too.
>> I still can't quite get used to the idea that people used to lay the
>> corpse out in the house, in the parlor or whereever. Ick.

>
> When I'm out, just cremate me and toss the ashes somewhere nice. No
> looking at my dead body, never mind in the livingroom.
>
> My sil arranged a small memorial service for my inlaws, people
> came, if you wanted to, tell a story, and everyone went out for
> a luncheon. Very nice.



I was at a celebration of life party a couple weeks ago for a local
fellow. He was an interesting guy but sadly affected by PTSD after his
service in WWII. He had fought his way across Sicily and Italy, fighting
in most of the same battles my uncle was in. He had a home business
building canoes, snow shoes and "snow shoe chairs", camp chairs made of
formed oak with gut mesh. I jammed a few times with his buddies, the
Bullshit Band. He had made a fiddle and learned to play it. He had built
it so that it would come about easily and installed a mechanism that
would set off some time of large cap that produced a loud bang and a bit
of flash. He would get all worked up on a song and then trip the
mechanism to blow it to peaces. People gathered at the local community
centre and served refreshments ans shared stories about him.

I attended on last year for a friend who was a university lecturer/poet.
His widow arranged a celebration of life party at local arts centre.
She arranged to have an MC and a bunch of his friends and colleagues
spoke about him. Unfortunately, she had too many people speaking and the
speakers all went on way too long. The speeches were followed by lots of
great food and drinks.



Ophelia[_14_] 21-08-2016 05:58 PM

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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>>> wrote in message ...
>>>
>>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 11:29:52 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 8/20/2016 8:51 AM, wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 20 Aug 2016 07:41:53 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, we go for cremation immediately. My first experience this side
>>>>> of the Pond was a neighbour. We dutifully went to the funeral parlour
>>>>> and when she took us up to the coffin - er casket - there was poor
>>>>> George lying there amidst all this satin, totally alien to his
>>>>> personality. To my horror his widow went over to him and asked me "Do
>>>>> you think he looks better with or without his glasses?" and whipped
>>>>> them off his face :(
>>>>>
>>>>I have followed my father's advice. Never view the corpse! Remember them
>>>>as they lived!
>>>>Graham
>>>
>>> Correct !
>>>
>>> -------------------
>>>
>>> We have decided to be cremated with no showing and no service.

>>
>> Same with us, and whichever goes last will scatter the others ashes with
>> our
>> dogs ashes.
>>
>> Cheri
>> ----------------------
>>
>> !!!!!!!!! Our dog's ashes are on our fireplace and our will states that
>> their ashes will be scattered with ours ..............
>>
>> Wow.
>>
>> :)))))

>
> Yes, Sophie is in an urn on the hall table. We have arrangements for Annie
> as well in case she outlives us through our son. :)
>
> Cheri
>
> --------------------------
>
> Just the way it should be:)))) Heck they are a big part of our lives:))
>
> You are only other person I have heard of doing this, but I am not
> surprised:))


Makes perfect sense to me and thee, so that's what matters. :)))

Cheri
-------------

It is indeed:))))



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Ophelia[_14_] 21-08-2016 05:59 PM

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"tert in seattle" wrote in message
...

Ophelia wrote:
> "Cheri" wrote in message ...
>
>
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> On 8/20/2016 2:30 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>

>>
>>
>>> View the body while it's alive, oh and send flowers then too.
>>> Cheri
>>>

>>
>> Let me get this straight. If I send you photos of my body you will send
>> flowers in return. Would you like a video too?
>>
>> -----------
>>
>> That you pushing your luck, Ed? <g>

>
> We actually had a friend that did a eulogy party for himself several years
> before he died. Everyone was dressed in black and he was dressed in white.
> It was a roaring party and he got to hear what everyone would say. I did
> not
> like the idea though since he was perfectly healthy at the time and I
> thought it was bad luck, but that's maybe just me.
>
> Cheri
> --------------
>
> No, me too. I agree.


it is an interesting thought experiment - consider what would happen after
you die suddenly and unexpectedly

no need to bore your friends with it though
---------------

My husband would have me cremated, exactly as we have discussed.



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk


Janet 21-08-2016 06:12 PM

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In article >,
says...
>


>
> My sil arranged a small memorial service for my inlaws, people
> came, if you wanted to, tell a story, and everyone went out for
> a luncheon. Very nice.


Two of the best funeral services I've been to were small, just 20 or
30 people, and each held informally in the home of the deceased. One of
them was on such a lovely day we all gathered in the garden instead.
Nobody wore black, there were no wreaths prayers tears or singing; just
some favourite music, and someone spoke a short appreciation of the
person and the life they had led. Then lunch at and provided by the pub.

Our bodies will be disposed of by a service called "direct
cremation"; which bags and collects the corpse from wherever the
previous inhabitant left it, and delivers it to the crem for burning.
There's no service; family and friends don't go there. Ashes can be
returned later for scattering.


Janet UK



Ed Pawlowski 21-08-2016 07:01 PM

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On 8/21/2016 1:12 PM, Janet wrote:

>
> Our bodies will be disposed of by a service called "direct
> cremation"; which bags and collects the corpse from wherever the
> previous inhabitant left it, and delivers it to the crem for burning.
> There's no service; family and friends don't go there. Ashes can be
> returned later for scattering.
>
>
> Janet UK
>
>


That would work for me. Fast and cheap.

tert in seattle 21-08-2016 09:22 PM

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Ophelia wrote:
> "tert in seattle" wrote in message
> ...
>
> Ophelia wrote:
>> "Cheri" wrote in message ...
>>
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>> On 8/20/2016 2:30 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> View the body while it's alive, oh and send flowers then too.
>>>> Cheri
>>>>
>>>
>>> Let me get this straight. If I send you photos of my body you will send
>>> flowers in return. Would you like a video too?
>>>
>>> -----------
>>>
>>> That you pushing your luck, Ed? <g>

>>
>> We actually had a friend that did a eulogy party for himself several years
>> before he died. Everyone was dressed in black and he was dressed in white.
>> It was a roaring party and he got to hear what everyone would say. I did
>> not
>> like the idea though since he was perfectly healthy at the time and I
>> thought it was bad luck, but that's maybe just me.
>>
>> Cheri
>> --------------
>>
>> No, me too. I agree.

>
> it is an interesting thought experiment - consider what would happen after
> you die suddenly and unexpectedly
>
> no need to bore your friends with it though
> ---------------
>
> My husband would have me cremated, exactly as we have discussed.


I mean how would everyone react


Nancy2[_2_] 21-08-2016 09:30 PM

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What I don't understand...when there was plenty of space when the little
bank office was built, and the drive-through ATM set up, ALL the ones of
my local bank have the ATM screen facing east with very little shelter. So
if you drive up on a sunny day in the morning, you cannot see the screen
because of the sun shining directly on it. An easy fix would be to erect
enough of a shelter to shade the screen, but they don't even do that. Pshaw.

N.

Ophelia[_14_] 21-08-2016 09:46 PM

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"tert in seattle" wrote in message
...

Ophelia wrote:
> "tert in seattle" wrote in message
> ...
>
> Ophelia wrote:
>> "Cheri" wrote in message ...
>>
>>
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>> On 8/20/2016 2:30 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> View the body while it's alive, oh and send flowers then too.
>>>> Cheri
>>>>
>>>
>>> Let me get this straight. If I send you photos of my body you will send
>>> flowers in return. Would you like a video too?
>>>
>>> -----------
>>>
>>> That you pushing your luck, Ed? <g>

>>
>> We actually had a friend that did a eulogy party for himself several
>> years
>> before he died. Everyone was dressed in black and he was dressed in
>> white.
>> It was a roaring party and he got to hear what everyone would say. I did
>> not
>> like the idea though since he was perfectly healthy at the time and I
>> thought it was bad luck, but that's maybe just me.
>>
>> Cheri
>> --------------
>>
>> No, me too. I agree.

>
> it is an interesting thought experiment - consider what would happen after
> you die suddenly and unexpectedly
>
> no need to bore your friends with it though
> ---------------
>
> My husband would have me cremated, exactly as we have discussed.


I mean how would everyone react
---------------

I don't really know but they won't have anything to say after it is done <g>

I won't change my mind though:)) I am not lying in a coffin for everyone to
gawp at. Best they remember me as I am:)

Would you have a problem with it?



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk


brooklyn1 21-08-2016 10:11 PM

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Gary wrote:
>
>I said put my body in adumpster. Who cares?


That's very telling of how you feel you've lived your life and what
you feel you're worth. Gary, it's very evident from your posts that
you don't value your life... any shit is good enough for you. You
must've been beat up on horrifically by someone, so to protect
yourself you've since beat up on yourself more than anyone else ever
can again. Did you ever think that maybe that person who beat up on
you moved on and you don't ever occur to that person... don't you
think it's time you move on too. It's the saddest person who doesn't
value themself enough to leave some trace of their existance. Everyone
who says they want to be creamated and have their ashes scattered to
the wind is really saying their life hasn't enough worth to be
remembered.

Bruce[_28_] 21-08-2016 10:27 PM

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In article >, gravesend10
@verizon.net says...
>
> Gary wrote:
> >
> >I said put my body in adumpster. Who cares?

>
> That's very telling of how you feel you've lived your life and what
> you feel you're worth. Gary, it's very evident from your posts that
> you don't value your life... any shit is good enough for you. You
> must've been beat up on horrifically by someone, so to protect
> yourself you've since beat up on yourself more than anyone else ever
> can again. Did you ever think that maybe that person who beat up on
> you moved on and you don't ever occur to that person... don't you
> think it's time you move on too. It's the saddest person who doesn't
> value themself enough to leave some trace of their existance. Everyone
> who says they want to be creamated and have their ashes scattered to
> the wind is really saying their life hasn't enough worth to be
> remembered.


You're an endless vat of old fart theories. You should be put on display
somewhere. "Look son, that's what people used to be like."

[email protected] 21-08-2016 10:55 PM

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On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 21:46:57 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"tert in seattle" wrote in message
...
>
>Ophelia wrote:
>> "tert in seattle" wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>> "Cheri" wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> On 8/20/2016 2:30 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> View the body while it's alive, oh and send flowers then too.
>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let me get this straight. If I send you photos of my body you will send
>>>> flowers in return. Would you like a video too?
>>>>
>>>> -----------
>>>>
>>>> That you pushing your luck, Ed? <g>
>>>
>>> We actually had a friend that did a eulogy party for himself several
>>> years
>>> before he died. Everyone was dressed in black and he was dressed in
>>> white.
>>> It was a roaring party and he got to hear what everyone would say. I did
>>> not
>>> like the idea though since he was perfectly healthy at the time and I
>>> thought it was bad luck, but that's maybe just me.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>> --------------
>>>
>>> No, me too. I agree.

>>
>> it is an interesting thought experiment - consider what would happen after
>> you die suddenly and unexpectedly
>>
>> no need to bore your friends with it though
>> ---------------
>>
>> My husband would have me cremated, exactly as we have discussed.

>
>I mean how would everyone react
>---------------
>
>I don't really know but they won't have anything to say after it is done <g>
>
>I won't change my mind though:)) I am not lying in a coffin for everyone to
>gawp at. Best they remember me as I am:)
>
>Would you have a problem with it?


My kids know I would be back to haunt them if they did that! Cremation
and then the sea, figure I shall feed a few lobsters and return the
pleasure I have had in consuming them :)

[email protected] 21-08-2016 10:56 PM

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On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 13:30:36 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> wrote:

>
>What I don't understand...when there was plenty of space when the little
>bank office was built, and the drive-through ATM set up, ALL the ones of
>my local bank have the ATM screen facing east with very little shelter. So
>if you drive up on a sunny day in the morning, you cannot see the screen
>because of the sun shining directly on it. An easy fix would be to erect
>enough of a shelter to shade the screen, but they don't even do that. Pshaw.
>
>N.


I would just shrug my shoulders and figure - male architect :)

Dave Smith[_1_] 21-08-2016 11:01 PM

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On 2016-08-21 5:27 PM, Bruce wrote:
> In article >, gravesend10
> @verizon.net says...
> It's the saddest person who doesn't
>> value themself enough to leave some trace of their existance. Everyone
>> who says they want to be creamated and have their ashes scattered to
>> the wind is really saying their life hasn't enough worth to be
>> remembered.

>
> You're an endless vat of old fart theories. You should be put on display
> somewhere. "Look son, that's what people used to be like."
>



Maybe he is into the sauce early. I would rather be cremated and have my
dust spread than to sit around rotting and stinking. I have smelled
enough dead things in my life that I can not bear the thought of my dead
body creating such a horrible stench.

[email protected][_2_] 22-08-2016 12:17 AM

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On Friday, August 19, 2016 at 3:11:42 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>
> " wrote:
> >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lunch buffets around here are in the $5 - $10 range around
> > > > > > here
> > > > >
> > > > > LOL!
> > > > >
> > > > That turned over your tickle box?
> > >

> > I said in the $5 - $10 RANGE. When you drink water with your
> > meal you've already saved $2 - $3. Frequently coupons for
> > different eating establishments arrive in the mail here. Too
> > bad none of the places in yours or Gary's location make these
> > available to patrons.
> >
> > Dinner buffets are substantially higher and around here there
> > are no coupons for those meals.

>
> Joan. I retract my LOL. YOu are correct. Some lunch buffets can be found
> for under $10. I didn't think of those as I never go to any but I have
> seen ads for them.
>
> As you said too, dinner buffets are higher. We have a killer seafood
> buffet place here but the price is over $30 now. That's a bit much for
> me. I'll do a Golden Corral for less than half the price.
>

Sorry to be late in replying. I've got a bathroom remodel on my mind
and discussing buffets and tipping vs. no tipping haven't been high
on my list for consideration.
>

We've got a ultra nice, ultra expensive seafood buffet place here as
well. Last time I went many years ago it was $30 per person as well;
probably more than that now. It's one of those places that was a
treat to go to maybe twice a year.
>
> When my daughter was young, I used to take her to Shoney's buffet every
> Friday night. It was not much over $5-6 back then but...that also was
> 20-25 years ago.
>

I think we've only got 2, maybe 3, Shoney's left around here.
>
> I rarely go to restaurants now. Kind of weird to go eat by yourself. I
> only go now if I have someone to go with. Ferrets don't count either.
> hheheh
>
>

99% of my meals that are eaten out I'm alone. Doesn't bother me
in the least but I will admit the first time I did it many, many
years ago I was a bit self-conscience. Now I walk in like I own
the place. Don't let being by yourself keep you from getting out
of the house and heading to a restaurant. Look around, you'll
see plenty of people eating by themselves.


jmcquown[_2_] 22-08-2016 12:45 AM

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On 8/21/2016 7:17 PM, wrote:
> 99% of my meals that are eaten out I'm alone. Doesn't bother me
> in the least but I will admit the first time I did it many, many
> years ago I was a bit self-conscience. Now I walk in like I own
> the place. Don't let being by yourself keep you from getting out
> of the house and heading to a restaurant. Look around, you'll
> see plenty of people eating by themselves.


I'll never forget the first time I went to eat at a fancy eatery
Jarrett's by myself. There were two people in line ahead of me and the
hostess assumed we were together. "Three?" They looked around, uh, no,
two. She seated them then asked me if I was meeting someone. Nope.
Just me and with my book there to have lunch.

IIRC I had a nice filet minon with red wine sauce served with roasted
fingerling potatoes.

The restaurant went out of business many years ago. But the chef shared
some recipes.

My brother took a cooking class at Jarrett's restaurant in Memphis and
one of the things they prepared was this. Absolutely delicious.

1-1/2 c. Mixed Citrus Juice
2 c. V-8 Juice
splash Olive Oil
1 Poblano pepper (diced fine)
1 Red Bell (diced fine)
1/2 Red Onion (diced fine)
1/2 bunch of cilantro (chopped)
1 tsp. ground coriander
1 tsp. cumin
2 seeded and diced jalapenos
2 oz. Simple Syrup
1 oz. Sambal
Shrimp, shelled & deveined
Lobster meat, picked over

Blend the juices, olive oil, herbs, spices and vegetables together.
Chill well. Portion 4 shrimp and 2 oz. lobster meat into dessert
glasses. Pour the liquid over the seafood. Serve chilled.

Jill

[email protected][_2_] 22-08-2016 12:57 AM

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On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 6:45:04 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
>
> On 8/21/2016 7:17 PM, wrote:
>
> > 99% of my meals that are eaten out I'm alone. Doesn't bother me
> > in the least but I will admit the first time I did it many, many
> > years ago I was a bit self-conscience. Now I walk in like I own
> > the place. Don't let being by yourself keep you from getting out
> > of the house and heading to a restaurant. Look around, you'll
> > see plenty of people eating by themselves.

>
> I'll never forget the first time I went to eat at a fancy eatery
> Jarrett's by myself. There were two people in line ahead of me and the
> hostess assumed we were together. "Three?" They looked around, uh, no,
> two. She seated them then asked me if I was meeting someone. Nope.
> Just me and with my book there to have lunch.
>
>

Some people are quite self-conscience to eat alone in a restaurant.
One of my former co-workers and my now beautician are/were mortified
to eat by themselves. I told co-worker and beautician that no one
was looking at them and if they did just tell themselves there's
a VERY, VERY good chance you'll never see those people again in your
life.

Beautician has confessed she has since gone out to eat by herself.
Although a bit uncomfortable at first, she found out no one
cared whether she was there or not. True, there is no one to have
a conversation with but people watching is just as fun. Also,
you can rush through that meal if you so choose or linger as long
as you wish instead of being prodded to 'eat up!'

Ed Pawlowski 22-08-2016 01:39 AM

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On 8/21/2016 5:55 PM, wrote:


>
> My kids know I would be back to haunt them if they did that! Cremation
> and then the sea, figure I shall feed a few lobsters and return the
> pleasure I have had in consuming them :)
>


I had a call from a telemarketer trying to sell insurance to cover final
expenses. She was horrified when I told her there will be no final
expenses. My son has a boat and is going to take my body 10 miles out
and and toss it over into the ocean to feed the fishes.

jmcquown[_2_] 22-08-2016 04:28 AM

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On 8/21/2016 8:39 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/21/2016 5:55 PM, wrote:
>
>
>>
>> My kids know I would be back to haunt them if they did that! Cremation
>> and then the sea, figure I shall feed a few lobsters and return the
>> pleasure I have had in consuming them :)
>>

>
> I had a call from a telemarketer trying to sell insurance to cover final
> expenses. She was horrified when I told her there will be no final
> expenses. My son has a boat and is going to take my body 10 miles out
> and and toss it over into the ocean to feed the fishes.


It's like when I asked the telemarketer selling "final expense"
insurance if they still have potters field. I don't actually care what
happens nor do I care who will pay for it. I won't be around to care.

Jill

Cheri[_3_] 22-08-2016 07:01 AM

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"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> Gary wrote:
>>
>>I said put my body in adumpster. Who cares?

>
> That's very telling of how you feel you've lived your life and what
> you feel you're worth. Gary, it's very evident from your posts that
> you don't value your life... any shit is good enough for you. You
> must've been beat up on horrifically by someone, so to protect
> yourself you've since beat up on yourself more than anyone else ever
> can again. Did you ever think that maybe that person who beat up on
> you moved on and you don't ever occur to that person... don't you
> think it's time you move on too. It's the saddest person who doesn't
> value themself enough to leave some trace of their existance. Everyone
> who says they want to be creamated and have their ashes scattered to
> the wind is really saying their life hasn't enough worth to be
> remembered.


What a crock, no need to leave a decaying body as proof of an existence,
Hell...even *your* posts will be around long after you are, what more proof
do you need?

Cheri


Ophelia[_14_] 22-08-2016 07:09 AM

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"Brooklyn1" wrote in message
...

Gary wrote:
>
>I said put my body in adumpster. Who cares?


That's very telling of how you feel you've lived your life and what
you feel you're worth. Gary, it's very evident from your posts that
you don't value your life... any shit is good enough for you. You
must've been beat up on horrifically by someone, so to protect
yourself you've since beat up on yourself more than anyone else ever
can again. Did you ever think that maybe that person who beat up on
you moved on and you don't ever occur to that person... don't you
think it's time you move on too. It's the saddest person who doesn't
value themself enough to leave some trace of their existance. Everyone
who says they want to be creamated and have their ashes scattered to
the wind is really saying their life hasn't enough worth to be
remembered.

------------

Not at all. Anyone who matters will remember me:)

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk


Ophelia[_14_] 22-08-2016 07:13 AM

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wrote in message ...

On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 21:46:57 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"tert in seattle" wrote in message
...
>
>Ophelia wrote:
>> "tert in seattle" wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> Ophelia wrote:
>>> "Cheri" wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> On 8/20/2016 2:30 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> View the body while it's alive, oh and send flowers then too.
>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let me get this straight. If I send you photos of my body you will
>>>> send
>>>> flowers in return. Would you like a video too?
>>>>
>>>> -----------
>>>>
>>>> That you pushing your luck, Ed? <g>
>>>
>>> We actually had a friend that did a eulogy party for himself several
>>> years
>>> before he died. Everyone was dressed in black and he was dressed in
>>> white.
>>> It was a roaring party and he got to hear what everyone would say. I did
>>> not
>>> like the idea though since he was perfectly healthy at the time and I
>>> thought it was bad luck, but that's maybe just me.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>> --------------
>>>
>>> No, me too. I agree.

>>
>> it is an interesting thought experiment - consider what would happen
>> after
>> you die suddenly and unexpectedly
>>
>> no need to bore your friends with it though
>> ---------------
>>
>> My husband would have me cremated, exactly as we have discussed.

>
>I mean how would everyone react
>---------------
>
>I don't really know but they won't have anything to say after it is done
><g>
>
>I won't change my mind though:)) I am not lying in a coffin for everyone
>to
>gawp at. Best they remember me as I am:)
>
>Would you have a problem with it?


My kids know I would be back to haunt them if they did that! Cremation
and then the sea, figure I shall feed a few lobsters and return the
pleasure I have had in consuming them :)
----------

Yorkshire dales for us:))

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk


Ophelia[_14_] 22-08-2016 07:14 AM

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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...

On 8/21/2016 5:55 PM, wrote:


>
> My kids know I would be back to haunt them if they did that! Cremation
> and then the sea, figure I shall feed a few lobsters and return the
> pleasure I have had in consuming them :)
>


I had a call from a telemarketer trying to sell insurance to cover final
expenses. She was horrified when I told her there will be no final
expenses. My son has a boat and is going to take my body 10 miles out
and and toss it over into the ocean to feed the fishes.
--------------

Of course she was. They make a fortune from ripping off the relatives of
dead people.

I prefer to leave what I have to the children and grands.

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk


Cindy Hamilton[_2_] 22-08-2016 11:22 AM

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On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 5:12:14 PM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> Gary wrote:
> >
> >I said put my body in adumpster. Who cares?

>
> That's very telling of how you feel you've lived your life and what
> you feel you're worth. Gary, it's very evident from your posts that
> you don't value your life... any shit is good enough for you. You
> must've been beat up on horrifically by someone, so to protect
> yourself you've since beat up on yourself more than anyone else ever
> can again. Did you ever think that maybe that person who beat up on
> you moved on and you don't ever occur to that person... don't you
> think it's time you move on too. It's the saddest person who doesn't
> value themself enough to leave some trace of their existance. Everyone
> who says they want to be creamated and have their ashes scattered to
> the wind is really saying their life hasn't enough worth to be
> remembered.


If it were legal, I'd be satisfied to be put in a dumpster, too. What
difference does it make to a dead person? When I have custody of my
grandparents' and mother's ashes, they are going straight in the garbage,
and my estate is welcome to do the same.

Hell, Sheldon, if my husband predeceases me, there won't be anybody
to remember me. I have no siblings, one first cousin whom I've never
met, and no friends. I have acquaintances at work, but my husband is
basically everything. I've never been one to make friends easily;
it doesn't bother me.

Cindy Hamilton

brooklyn1 22-08-2016 05:35 PM

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On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 03:22:20 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 5:12:14 PM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> Gary wrote:
>> >
>> >I said put my body in adumpster. Who cares?

>>
>> That's very telling of how you feel you've lived your life and what
>> you feel you're worth. Gary, it's very evident from your posts that
>> you don't value your life... any shit is good enough for you. You
>> must've been beat up on horrifically by someone, so to protect
>> yourself you've since beat up on yourself more than anyone else ever
>> can again. Did you ever think that maybe that person who beat up on
>> you moved on and you don't ever occur to that person... don't you
>> think it's time you move on too. It's the saddest person who doesn't
>> value themself enough to leave some trace of their existance. Everyone
>> who says they want to be creamated and have their ashes scattered to
>> the wind is really saying their life hasn't enough worth to be
>> remembered.

>
>If it were legal, I'd be satisfied to be put in a dumpster, too. What
>difference does it make to a dead person? When I have custody of my
>grandparents' and mother's ashes, they are going straight in the garbage,
>and my estate is welcome to do the same.
>
>Hell, Sheldon, if my husband predeceases me, there won't be anybody
>to remember me. I have no siblings, one first cousin whom I've never
>met, and no friends. I have acquaintances at work, but my husband is
>basically everything. I've never been one to make friends easily;
>it doesn't bother me.
>
>Cindy Hamilton


From what you say if your husband dies tonight you'll have no reason
to live... you're another one who doesn't value yourself.
Friends require investing effort/emotion on many levels, acquaintances
are easy come easy go... I can tell why you have no friends.

Cindy Hamilton[_2_] 22-08-2016 05:49 PM

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On Monday, August 22, 2016 at 12:35:46 PM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 03:22:20 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, August 21, 2016 at 5:12:14 PM UTC-4, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >> Gary wrote:
> >> >
> >> >I said put my body in adumpster. Who cares?
> >>
> >> That's very telling of how you feel you've lived your life and what
> >> you feel you're worth. Gary, it's very evident from your posts that
> >> you don't value your life... any shit is good enough for you. You
> >> must've been beat up on horrifically by someone, so to protect
> >> yourself you've since beat up on yourself more than anyone else ever
> >> can again. Did you ever think that maybe that person who beat up on
> >> you moved on and you don't ever occur to that person... don't you
> >> think it's time you move on too. It's the saddest person who doesn't
> >> value themself enough to leave some trace of their existance. Everyone
> >> who says they want to be creamated and have their ashes scattered to
> >> the wind is really saying their life hasn't enough worth to be
> >> remembered.

> >
> >If it were legal, I'd be satisfied to be put in a dumpster, too. What
> >difference does it make to a dead person? When I have custody of my
> >grandparents' and mother's ashes, they are going straight in the garbage,
> >and my estate is welcome to do the same.
> >
> >Hell, Sheldon, if my husband predeceases me, there won't be anybody
> >to remember me. I have no siblings, one first cousin whom I've never
> >met, and no friends. I have acquaintances at work, but my husband is
> >basically everything. I've never been one to make friends easily;
> >it doesn't bother me.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton

>
> From what you say if your husband dies tonight you'll have no reason
> to live... you're another one who doesn't value yourself.
> Friends require investing effort/emotion on many levels, acquaintances
> are easy come easy go... I can tell why you have no friends.


Oh, I'll always have me. I've always been my own best friend,
even before I met my husband.

Don't you know anybody else who was an only child? I'm pretty
typical of the breed.

Cindy Hamilton


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