Am posting this here as there was a fairly recent discussion of it. More bad
news about it.

http://circleofdocs.com/hpv-vaccine-...arian-failure/

Julie Bove > wrote:
> Am posting this here as there was a fairly recent discussion of it. More bad
> news about it.
>
> http://circleofdocs.com/hpv-vaccine-...arian-failure/
>
>
>

http://www.snopes.com/pediatricians-...e-cancer-link/

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jinx the minx

On 7/26/2016 11:07 PM, jinx the minx wrote:
> Julie Bove > wrote:
>> Am posting this here as there was a fairly recent discussion of it. More bad
>> news about it.
>>
>> http://circleofdocs.com/hpv-vaccine-...arian-failure/
>>
>>
>>
>
> http://www.snopes.com/pediatricians-...e-cancer-link/

BAZINGA!!

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/26/2016 11:07 PM, jinx the minx wrote:
>> Julie Bove > wrote:
>>> Am posting this here as there was a fairly recent discussion of it. More
>>> bad
>>> news about it.
>>>
>>> http://circleofdocs.com/hpv-vaccine-...arian-failure/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> http://www.snopes.com/pediatricians-...e-cancer-link/
>
> BAZINGA!!

What does that mean?

Sqwertz brought next idea :
> I don't care WTF y'all are talking about but I know it's an Evil
> thread.
>
> It has no place in a food group. Go get a Facebook account and stop
> trolling here.
>
> 0sw

Why shouldn't you eat your girlfriend's peas?

Because they are herpes.

Happy now?

"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove > wrote:
>> Am posting this here as there was a fairly recent discussion of it. More
>> bad
>> news about it.
>>
>> http://circleofdocs.com/hpv-vaccine-...arian-failure/
>>
>>
>>
>
> http://www.snopes.com/pediatricians-...e-cancer-link/

I don't think cancer was mentioned in my link. Early menopause was.

Julie Bove > wrote:
>
> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Julie Bove > wrote:
>>> Am posting this here as there was a fairly recent discussion of it. More
>>> bad
>>> news about it.
>>>
>>> http://circleofdocs.com/hpv-vaccine-...arian-failure/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> http://www.snopes.com/pediatricians-...e-cancer-link/
>
> I don't think cancer was mentioned in my link. Early menopause was.
>
>

I don't think you read either article past the headline.

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jinx the minx

"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove > wrote:
>>
>> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Julie Bove > wrote:
>>>> Am posting this here as there was a fairly recent discussion of it.
>>>> More
>>>> bad
>>>> news about it.
>>>>
>>>> http://circleofdocs.com/hpv-vaccine-...arian-failure/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.snopes.com/pediatricians-...e-cancer-link/
>>
>> I don't think cancer was mentioned in my link. Early menopause was.
>>
>>
>
> I don't think you read either article past the headline.

I did skim it.

Julie Bove > wrote:
>
> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Julie Bove > wrote:
>>>
>>> "jinx the minx" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Julie Bove > wrote:
>>>>> Am posting this here as there was a fairly recent discussion of it.
>>>>> More
>>>>> bad
>>>>> news about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://circleofdocs.com/hpv-vaccine-...arian-failure/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.snopes.com/pediatricians-...e-cancer-link/
>>>
>>> I don't think cancer was mentioned in my link. Early menopause was.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I don't think you read either article past the headline.
>
> I did skim it.
>
>

Not well enough.

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jinx the minx

On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 10:32:51 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> Am posting this here as there was a fairly recent discussion of it. More bad
> news about it.
>
> http://circleofdocs.com/hpv-vaccine-...arian-failure/

Not a reliable source. circleofdocs.com is "the online place for everything
chiropractic". Many states do not allow them to prescribe medicines,
which would include vaccines.

Show us the results of a properly conducted double-blind experiment or
at least a good longitudinal study. If you don't know what those terms
mean, you are not qualified to assess the quality of your sources.

Cindy Hamilton

On 7/27/2016 6:40 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 10:32:51 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>> Am posting this here as there was a fairly recent discussion of it. More bad
>> news about it.
>>
>> http://circleofdocs.com/hpv-vaccine-...arian-failure/
>
> Not a reliable source. circleofdocs.com is "the online place for everything
> chiropractic". Many states do not allow them to prescribe medicines,
> which would include vaccines.
>
> Show us the results of a properly conducted double-blind experiment or
> at least a good longitudinal study. If you don't know what those terms
> mean, you are not qualified to assess the quality of your sources.

I heard recently how more cancers are caused by HPV and I
thought poor Angela, her mother will not get it for her
because she listens to quacks.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:

> I heard recently how more cancers are caused by HPV


A guy I know is just recovering from a bout of throat cancer, it was apparently caused by HPV...scary!


--
Best
Greg

On 7/27/2016 11:50 AM, The Greatest! wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> I heard recently how more cancers are caused by HPV
>
>
> A guy I know is just recovering from a bout of throat cancer,
> it was apparently caused by HPV...scary!

Michael Douglas, too. Considering how widespread this
thing is, I wouldn't want to explain to my kid why I
didn't take steps to prevent their cancer when I could.

nancy

On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 9:50:45 AM UTC-6, The Greatest! wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>
> > I heard recently how more cancers are caused by HPV
>
>
> A guy I know is just recovering from a bout of throat cancer, it was apparently caused by HPV...scary!
>
>
> --
> Best
> Greg

For Khrist's sake get LOST...all these bullshit posts complete with lies, innuendo and total bullshit.
What is with you? Are you a complete nut-case?
====

On 7/27/2016 12:17 PM, Roy wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 9:50:45 AM UTC-6, The Greatest! wrote:

>> A guy I know is just recovering from a bout of throat cancer, it was apparently caused by HPV...scary!

> For Khrist's sake get LOST...all these bullshit posts complete with lies, innuendo and total bullshit.
> What is with you? Are you a complete nut-case?

Where's the lie here?

http://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/c...-fact-sheet#q2

or

http://tinyurl.com/ja8lo7q

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> I heard recently how more cancers are caused by HPV and I
> thought poor Angela, her mother will not get it for her
> because she listens to quacks.

I do have to side with Julie here though. You don't just run out and get
the newest vaccine until it's proven itself. My daughter never got it.
That's because it wasn't even available then. None of us old people here
got the vaccination and we're all still here.

IMO, it's like the newest version of Windows. Don't just run out and get
it when it's released. Give it some time and let them fix things first.

Anyway, Julie is out of the loop now. They recommend getting the vaccine
while you're young and hopefully haven't had sex yet. Angela is 18 now.
It's her choice, not Julies call.

On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:02:47 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> I heard recently how more cancers are caused by HPV and I
>> thought poor Angela, her mother will not get it for her
>> because she listens to quacks.
>
>I do have to side with Julie here though. You don't just run out and get
>the newest vaccine until it's proven itself. My daughter never got it.
>That's because it wasn't even available then. None of us old people here
>got the vaccination and we're all still here.

No Gary, there are many who might have been here, if they'd had the
chance. There was one poster here too who made reference to the
beginning of her troubles coming from this, not the vaccine.

The vaccine has been in regular use for ten years now, that's more
than a trial.
>
>IMO, it's like the newest version of Windows. Don't just run out and get
>it when it's released. Give it some time and let them fix things first.
>
>Anyway, Julie is out of the loop now. They recommend getting the vaccine
>while you're young and hopefully haven't had sex yet. Angela is 18 now.
>It's her choice, not Julies call.

> wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:02:47 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>> I heard recently how more cancers are caused by HPV and I
>>> thought poor Angela, her mother will not get it for her
>>> because she listens to quacks.
>>
>> I do have to side with Julie here though. You don't just run out and get
>> the newest vaccine until it's proven itself. My daughter never got it.
>> That's because it wasn't even available then. None of us old people here
>> got the vaccination and we're all still here.
>
> No Gary, there are many who might have been here, if they'd had the
> chance. There was one poster here too who made reference to the
> beginning of her troubles coming from this, not the vaccine.
>
> The vaccine has been in regular use for ten years now, that's more
> than a trial.
>>
>> IMO, it's like the newest version of Windows. Don't just run out and get
>> it when it's released. Give it some time and let them fix things first.
>>
>> Anyway, Julie is out of the loop now. They recommend getting the vaccine
>> while you're young and hopefully haven't had sex yet. Angela is 18 now.
>> It's her choice, not Julies call.
>

Gary also misses the point that cervical cancer is one of the most
treatable cancers if caught early (thanks to the Pap smear) so he's not all
that likely to hear of people dying from cervical cancer, or even talking
about it, since it is mostly a women's private issue. We may all still be
here, but that in no way means some of us haven't been affected.

--
jinx the minx

On 7/27/2016 12:02 PM, Gary wrote:

>
> I do have to side with Julie here though. You don't just run out and get
> the newest vaccine until it's proven itself. My daughter never got it.
> That's because it wasn't even available then. None of us old people here
> got the vaccination and we're all still here.
>

Great logic.. People are still alive to they never needed a vaccine.
How about the dead people?

How long should our parents have waited to give is the polio vaccine? I
know people that had and and I'm damned glad my parents were some of the
first to get us vaccinated. Thank you Doctor Salk.

If HPV was available at the time, my kids would have gotten it.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On 7/27/2016 12:02 PM, Gary wrote:
>
> >
> > I do have to side with Julie here though. You don't just run out and get
> > the newest vaccine until it's proven itself. My daughter never got it.
> > That's because it wasn't even available then. None of us old people here
> > got the vaccination and we're all still here.
> >
>
> Great logic.. People are still alive to they never needed a vaccine.
> How about the dead people?
>
> How long should our parents have waited to give is the polio vaccine? I
> know people that had and and I'm damned glad my parents were some of the
> first to get us vaccinated. Thank you Doctor Salk.
>
> If HPV was available at the time, my kids would have gotten it.

I certainly would have thought about it and investigated. That said, I
remember in the 70's with the Swine Flu and they really needed everyone
to get that vaccination. Tin foil hat for me...no way... Even had a
friend that wouldn't let us into her house that winter unless we had
that shot. As it turned out, I personally never knew anyone that got
the Swine Flu. Now ever since then, it's flu shots every year that
people run out to get. I don't think so. Homey don't play that.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/27/2016 12:02 PM, Gary wrote:
>
>>
>> I do have to side with Julie here though. You don't just run out and get
>> the newest vaccine until it's proven itself. My daughter never got it.
>> That's because it wasn't even available then. None of us old people here
>> got the vaccination and we're all still here.
>>
>
> Great logic.. People are still alive to they never needed a vaccine. How
> about the dead people?
>
> How long should our parents have waited to give is the polio vaccine? I
> know people that had and and I'm damned glad my parents were some of the
> first to get us vaccinated. Thank you Doctor Salk.
>
> If HPV was available at the time, my kids would have gotten it.

Polio is hardly the same thing as cancer.

On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 12:01:23 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
> >
> > I heard recently how more cancers are caused by HPV and I
> > thought poor Angela, her mother will not get it for her
> > because she listens to quacks.
>
> I do have to side with Julie here though. You don't just run out and get
> the newest vaccine until it's proven itself.

That's 10 years for the HPV vaccine.

> My daughter never got it.
> That's because it wasn't even available then. None of us old people here
> got the vaccination and we're all still here.

The same could be said for my mother's generation and the polio vaccine,
yet my generation all had the vaccine.


Cindy Hamilton

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> I heard recently how more cancers are caused by HPV and I
>> thought poor Angela, her mother will not get it for her
>> because she listens to quacks.
>
> I do have to side with Julie here though. You don't just run out and get
> the newest vaccine until it's proven itself. My daughter never got it.
> That's because it wasn't even available then. None of us old people here
> got the vaccination and we're all still here.
>
> IMO, it's like the newest version of Windows. Don't just run out and get
> it when it's released. Give it some time and let them fix things first.
>
> Anyway, Julie is out of the loop now. They recommend getting the vaccine
> while you're young and hopefully haven't had sex yet. Angela is 18 now.
> It's her choice, not Julies call.

Heh. Last night at around 9:30, my husband freaked because he couldn't find
her. When he asked me where she was, I said in less than three hours, she
wouldn't be our responsibility any more so it wouldn't matter. Then he
freaked again! I don't sit here and watch her every move. I did know that
she was somewhere in the house, with her headphones on.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message ...
> > Nancy Young wrote:
> >>
> >> I heard recently how more cancers are caused by HPV and I
> >> thought poor Angela, her mother will not get it for her
> >> because she listens to quacks.
> >
> > I do have to side with Julie here though. You don't just run out and get
> > the newest vaccine until it's proven itself. My daughter never got it.
> > That's because it wasn't even available then. None of us old people here
> > got the vaccination and we're all still here.
> >
> > IMO, it's like the newest version of Windows. Don't just run out and get
> > it when it's released. Give it some time and let them fix things first.
> >
> > Anyway, Julie is out of the loop now. They recommend getting the vaccine
> > while you're young and hopefully haven't had sex yet. Angela is 18 now.
> > It's her choice, not Julies call.
>
> Heh. Last night at around 9:30, my husband freaked because he couldn't find
> her. When he asked me where she was, I said in less than three hours, she
> wouldn't be our responsibility any more so it wouldn't matter. Then he
> freaked again! I don't sit here and watch her every move. I did know that
> she was somewhere in the house, with her headphones on.

That's funny. You raised her to be the best she can be. Your lessons are
pretty much done now. She either gets them or not. It *is* a bit hard to
quit being the "in charge" parent though. I've been through that.
Sometimes just letting go is not so easy to do after being in charge for
so many years.

On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 12:01:23 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>
> I do have to side with Julie here though. You don't just run out and get
> the newest vaccine until it's proven itself. My daughter never got it.
> That's because it wasn't even available then. None of us old people here
> got the vaccination and we're all still here.
>
Tell that to the people who were unable to get the polio vaccine. Sorry you can't as most of them are dead. For some people ignorance (not science) rules.

http://www.richardfisher.com

On 7/27/2016 12:02 PM, Gary wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> I heard recently how more cancers are caused by HPV and I
>> thought poor Angela, her mother will not get it for her
>> because she listens to quacks.
>
> I do have to side with Julie here though. You don't just run out and get
> the newest vaccine until it's proven itself. My daughter never got it.
> That's because it wasn't even available then. None of us old people here
> got the vaccination and we're all still here.
>
> IMO, it's like the newest version of Windows. Don't just run out and get
> it when it's released. Give it some time and let them fix things first.
>
> Anyway, Julie is out of the loop now. They recommend getting the vaccine
> while you're young and hopefully haven't had sex yet. Angela is 18 now.
> It's her choice, not Julies call.
>
There are a lot of things that were done by the medical community back
before they knew better. I know of two that hit home closely.

One was an early HRT therapy for menopause (my poor mom when she had to
stop the therapy!), and before then, medication to help prevent
miscarriage, DES or something like that. My mom took that and medicine
has found that children conceived when mom was on this therapy have
higher risk of certain cancers, and even worse problems in the second
generation or something in males. Being a person who is at risk I really
should know more but hey, we'll all die of something.

--
ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶
Cheryl

Cheryl...except Burt Wolf, the PBS travel/food personality. He has said he wants
to die in perfect health. LOL.

N.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/27/2016 6:40 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 10:32:51 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> Am posting this here as there was a fairly recent discussion of it. More
>>> bad
>>> news about it.
>>>
>>> http://circleofdocs.com/hpv-vaccine-...arian-failure/
>>
>> Not a reliable source. circleofdocs.com is "the online place for
>> everything
>> chiropractic". Many states do not allow them to prescribe medicines,
>> which would include vaccines.
>>
>> Show us the results of a properly conducted double-blind experiment or
>> at least a good longitudinal study. If you don't know what those terms
>> mean, you are not qualified to assess the quality of your sources.
>
> I heard recently how more cancers are caused by HPV and I
> thought poor Angela, her mother will not get it for her
> because she listens to quacks.

Our Drs. are not quacks.

Cindy Hamilton > wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 10:32:51 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>> Am posting this here as there was a fairly recent discussion of it. More bad
>> news about it.
>>
>> http://circleofdocs.com/hpv-vaccine-...arian-failure/
>
> Not a reliable source. circleofdocs.com is "the online place for everything
> chiropractic". Many states do not allow them to prescribe medicines,
> which would include vaccines.
>
> Show us the results of a properly conducted double-blind experiment or
> at least a good longitudinal study. If you don't know what those terms
> mean, you are not qualified to assess the quality of your sources.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

The original article source was The Inquisitr, which is just another "news"
organization a la The National Enquirer. Not to mention, the "American
College of Pediatricians" (60-200 members) is not a reliable source either.
It was founded as a socially conservative, Christian, faith-based
organization set to oppose stances made by the American Academy of
Pediatrics (60,000 members) that it views as harmful. Namely, it was
founded to oppose the adoption of children by *** couples. Know your
source.

--
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On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 14:57:30 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>Am posting this here as there was a fairly recent discussion of it. More bad
>news about it.
>
>http://circleofdocs.com/hpv-vaccine-...arian-failure/


You're a very dangerous person when you mix your stupidity with
medical knowledge. 'circle of docs' - just that should tell you what
trash you are reading.

I'll put you in the box with the so-called doctor who proclaimed the
whooping cough vaccine gave kids autism - just remind yourself how
much harm he did.

Is your daughter vaccinated for HPV? No? I am not surprised, feel
bad, very bad if and when she has cancer of the cervix etc. How will
you explain to her then that the 'circle of docs' said!

On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 4:52:20 AM UTC-6, wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 14:57:30 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
> >Am posting this here as there was a fairly recent discussion of it. More bad
> >news about it.
> >
> >http://circleofdocs.com/hpv-vaccine-...arian-failure/
>
>
> You're a very dangerous person when you mix your stupidity with
> medical knowledge. 'circle of docs' - just that should tell you what
> trash you are reading.
>
> I'll put you in the box with the so-called doctor who proclaimed the
> whooping cough vaccine gave kids autism - just remind yourself how
> much harm he did.
>
> Is your daughter vaccinated for HPV? No? I am not surprised, feel
> bad, very bad if and when she has cancer of the cervix etc. How will
> you explain to her then that the 'circle of docs' said!

I totally agree Lucretia...these QUACKS are causing great damage. I have a step-daughter who is an anti-VAXXER and it just makes me so angry with her. Logic is something that Julie lacks and it is quite pointless to even contemplate changing her attitude.
====

On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 09:24:14 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
wrote:

>On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 4:52:20 AM UTC-6, wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 14:57:30 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >Am posting this here as there was a fairly recent discussion of it. More bad
>> >news about it.
>> >
>> >http://circleofdocs.com/hpv-vaccine-...arian-failure/
>>
>>
>> You're a very dangerous person when you mix your stupidity with
>> medical knowledge. 'circle of docs' - just that should tell you what
>> trash you are reading.
>>
>> I'll put you in the box with the so-called doctor who proclaimed the
>> whooping cough vaccine gave kids autism - just remind yourself how
>> much harm he did.
>>
>> Is your daughter vaccinated for HPV? No? I am not surprised, feel
>> bad, very bad if and when she has cancer of the cervix etc. How will
>> you explain to her then that the 'circle of docs' said!
>
>I totally agree Lucretia...these QUACKS are causing great damage. I have a step-daughter who is an anti-VAXXER and it just makes me so angry with her. Logic is something that Julie lacks and it is quite pointless to even contemplate changing her attitude.
>====

Well I know you are up there so like me you will remember childhood
days when friends had measles, mumps, chickenpox, scarlet fever,
diptheria, German measles, not to mention the dreaded Polio.

As vaccines came along they saved so many kids and now because todays
parents never experienced what you, I and my kids did, they have these
nutcase ideas. They are slightly safer because still a majority of
the population has been vaccinated, but it is dropping quite fast now,
to whit the measles flurry a couple of years ago.

It makes me angry too that they so carelessly throw away a heaven sent
opportunity for their child. True as Gary pointed out, her daughter
may be past 18 but she still has years to get cancers related to the
lack of the HPV shot. I hope she has enough brain in her bloody head
to feel guilty if Angela gets a cancer, she should.

I used to add chicory to coffee but never did try chicory by itself.

On Tuesday, July 26, 2016 at 4:32:51 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> Am posting this here as there was a fairly recent discussion of it. More bad
> news about it.
>
> http://circleofdocs.com/hpv-vaccine-...arian-failure/

Here's some really bad news. I don't think you have to worry about it - yet.

http://khon2.com/2016/08/08/health-o...s-a-in-hawaii/