On 4/23/2016 2:43 PM, Bruce� wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 14:30:52 -0600, "d.o.r." > wrote:
>
>> On 4/23/2016 2:10 PM, Bruce? wrote:
>>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 13:56:02 -0600, "d.o.r." > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/23/2016 1:48 PM, Bruce? wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 09:43:04 -0600, "d.o.r." > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/23/2016 5:20 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Yes, even if it had been a great white, penning a large sea roaming
>>>>>>>>>>> animal like whales, dolphins, sharks etc is terrible, they have done
>>>>>>>>>>> nothing wrong yet receive a life sentence.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I meant that we kill cows, pigs, lambs, chickens etc by the millions
>>>>>>>>> without blinking an eye. But when it's an orca or a dolphin it's
>>>>>>>>> suddenly terrible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's natural, as much as any animal hierarchy anywhere else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ever watch a raptor tear into a rabbit?
>>>>>
>>>>> The raptor has no choice. Humans do.
>>>>>
>>>> A bear is also an omnivore.
>>>>
>>>> Ever see one lay an elk carcass open?
>>>
>>> The bear has no choice. Humans do.
>>
>> The bear has MANY choices - army cutworm moths, whitebark pine nuts,
>> berries, trout, elk, dandelion, clover, spring-beauty, horsetail, ants,
>> strawberry, deer, globe huckleberry, grouse whortleberry, buffaloberry,
>> carcasses of bull bison, etc.
>>
>> Why would you believe they lack dietary choices?
>
> They're omnivores, so they will also eat meat. We have a choice.
>

We too are omnivores.

Meaning that both species have choices to make.

A brief glance at our dentician confirms that like the bear we have
canine teeth for tearing flesh.

The dangling participle of ethical eating hinges upon whether we (in our
self-absorbed glory) choose to credit the bear with self-awareness and
reasoning.

That's the slipperiest of slopes and I assure you that for sheer
inventiveness and creativity at getting what it wants your average bear
is one savvy, thinking predator.

On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 12:38:26 +1000, Bruce© >
wrote:

>On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 10:06:27 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 08:28:12 +1000, Bruce © >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 08:19:20 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:08:28 -1000, dsi1
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 4/22/2016 11:21 AM, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My guess is zoos are also an endangered species.
>>>>>> At least as we know them.
>>>>>
>>>>>This would be true. They need an attraction such as the Tasmanian Tiger!
>>>>
>>>>If they're anywhere at all, they are in the area I live.
>>>
>>>What about Western Tasmania?
>>
>>Yep, there are areas over there too of course. Most of the last
>>credible sightings in the 1940s and 50's were in the north east
>>though.
>
>That could also be because few people go into the western wilderness.

Yeah, much like some areas in the N.E. There are still areas here that
are only accessible on foot, never been logged or otherwise molested.

>A Tasmanian farmer told me a friend of his saw a Tasmanian tiger once.
>"And he worked for Australia Post, so he wasn't blotto"

WTF does the Aus Post reference supposed to mean?
I would think one would need to be blotto to work at Aus Post.

>>>And don't forget the mainland:
>>>http://www.northernstar.com.au/video...ron-bay/12617/
>>
>>Yeah. I'm *really* sceptical of the mainland sightings.
>
>Me too

Bruce wrote:
>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>gtr wrote:
>>
>>>It may be true that people who stopped buying records 10 years before
>>>Prince had gained popularity, wouldn't get how he changed pop music 30
>>>years after it he did it. That makes sense. Just like vegetables for
>>>children are "poopy food". Absolutely!
>>>
>>>But please, more empty evalutions by unrelated geezers who haven't
>>>listened to him would be even more entertaiining. Carry on!
>>>
>>>Pick a pop tune that you loved when you were a kid, The Rascals "Good
>>>Lovin'", Spencer Davis doing "Gimme Some Lovin'", Sly's "Hot Fun in the
>>>Summer Time", Jackie Wilson's, "Your Love Keeps Lifting Me Higher";
>>>name it. Then imagine how impressed you'd be by the song if you first
>>>time heard it in your 60's, and you just listened to the first chorus
>>>or something.
>>>
>>>All of music is crap, if you posit it just right.
>>
>>I wouldn't know. I don't find music entertaining. I don't listen to
>>music.
>
>Spare us your opionion about Prince or any other musician then.

I don't care about his music, but as a living being he valued his life
less than composting manure... Prince obviously didn't value his own
music either, all he valued were tons of little white "feel good" pain
pills. There are way too many doctors prescribing way too many pain
pills and I personally know that for a fact. When I had pain for
herniated discs and spinal stenosis every doctor I went to over a few
years prescribed pain pills by the hundreds. I refused to take them.
Finally I found a doctor who cured my pain with injections. I tried
injections previously with other doctors with no result. This doctor
was a tiny Korean lady who mixed up a cocktail and knew exactly where
to inject it, the very next morning miraculously no more pain, that
was more than five years ago... her only instruction was no more heavy
digging so my tree planting ended. I experienced the same thing when
I had a rotting wisdom tooth extracted, that oral surgeon sent me home
with a Rx for a 100 pain pills, I never filled it. The pain passed in
less than 24 hours, all I took were two Aleve. What I hear on the
news is that pain pills have become a huge epidemic, too many doctors
are over prescribing and too many people have become addicted. A
double 2ni before bedtime is much safer for the occasional pain. I
lost two many friends to drugs. It's on the news right now, last year
alone 40,000 Americans have died from opiate pain pill addiction.

On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 20:23:13 -0700, Does it really matter?
> wrote:

>On 4/22/2016 16:45, Je?us wrote:
>
>> OB Food:
>>
>> Breakfast was asparagus & cheese on toast.
>>
> What kind of cheese?

Colby cheese in this case. Sometimes I use a sharp aged cheddar or
gruyère.

>Or was it sauce? My crop of asparagus is starting to overwhelm us.

Yes, it's usually a famine or feast. It's autumn here, so no fresh
spears. I used canned asparagus, which I also happen to like for
certain things, such as on toast.

On 2016-04-23 11:48:22 +0000, Cindy Hamilton said:

> I've never cared much for rock or pop... That said, I didn't like
> Prince in his heyday...

Keep 'em coming!

I don't care for beef, that said, I didn't like skirt steak when I ate it.

On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 13:08:23 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >, lid
>says...
>>
>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 19:49:31 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>> >On 4/22/2016 7:31 PM, Bruce? wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 18:55:00 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 4/22/2016 6:19 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'd prefer to see all zoos take on the role of breeding endangered
>> >>>> species, with public viewing being the secondary role.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Viewing must be primary role to get the money for the secondary
>> >>> breeding. Its all about money.
>> >>
>> >> Breeding must be the primary role, funded by the secondary viewing.
>> >>
>> >> Ayup.
>> >>
>> >Sounds good, but you won't get as much breeding done in your utopian
>> >zoo.
>>
>> I see no reason for that. All that matters is that the breeding takes
>> priority.
>
> Animals in captivity, need suitable terrain, accommodation, feeding,
>vetting; otherwise they may fail to reproduce successfully.
>
> They also need breeding controls to protect the genome of the species.
>For instance, if you start with two endangered tigers, you don't want
>their offspring to breed incestuously with siblings, (or their parents)
>as genetic factors when multiplied, could produce very poor specimens.
>So, to maintain genetic diversity and health, captive bred offspring
>need to be reared to breeding age, then mated with unrelated members
>from other captive groups. Their transport, resettling and introduction
>to an established social group and prospective new breeding partner
>(perhaps in another continent) is slow and expensive work.
>
>http://www.highlandwildlifepark.org..../animals/amur-
>tiger/
>
> All that time and expertise has to be funded somehow and the main
>source, is from public viewers who pay to see the animals.

We seem to be descending into semantics here, so I think I'll bail
from this discussion, other than to say I never said anything about no
public viewing or funding.

On 2016-04-23 19:52:42 +0000, Bruce� said:

>> I wouldn't know. I don't find music entertaining. I don't listen to
>> music.

Yeesh. That was the voice of a purported human!

> Spare us your opionion about Prince or any other musician then.

On 2016-04-23 10:08:29 +0000, said:

> Prince could have been a great rock guitarist.

He *could* have been a great rock guitarist when he was 13. So in his
early 30's, he was a great rock guitarist.

On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 14:07:08 -0700, gtr > wrote:

>On 2016-04-23 10:08:29 +0000, said:
>
>> Prince could have been a great rock guitarist.
>
>He *could* have been a great rock guitarist when he was 13. So in his
>early 30's, he was a great rock guitarist.

If I think great guitarist, I think Segovia or John Williams - they
really had to play, no electrics making it easy for them!

On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 22:25:43 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

> I just don't understand grown up people getting all broken up over his death.

It's hard to explain something so simple. Most humans associate
significant events with the music that overlaid it. Of course there
hasn't really been much popular song in the past 15-20 years, but its
still there, even if it doesn't appeal to people our age. Pop artists
provide this background for times and places with most people. They
grow up with it, they *identify* with the artists of their youth. When
they broke up with a high-school love, they listened to an "I broke up"
song on a few albums. When they fell in love, or got a first kiss, or
more, they listened to, or noted the current "I fell in love" song
because it was playing on their radio at the time. There was a kind of
magnetism that happened. Sometimes even with artists you didn't
otherwise care for.

So when they die, these people they felt they knew, it provides this
feeling of sadness and of grief. It's difficult to explain sadness and
grief for people who don't understand it, but it can be a painful
thing.

On 2016-04-23 10:41:12 +0000, Bruce � said:

> People were reacting even more strongly to Bowie dying. They're iconic
> people whether you're a fan or not. Maybe rfc is too old to appreciate
> Prince.

I think that's true, but there is a certain type of people that take
pleasure in ****ing on a singer, politician, writer, celebrity on their
passing. It's a casual spite thing, and likely a show of their
inability to connect with the feelings of others.

If you really *hated* Prince's music--as for instance I really *hated*
the evil of "Fat Tony" Scalia--then when he dies you take some pleasure
in ****ing on his grave. But if you don't even know his music, and
when you dismissed it did so with almost no passion at all, then it's
really just social ineptitude.

On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 07:27:40 -0300, wrote:

>Ditto. I recall all the fuss at the time of Purple Rain and his
>announcement that in future he would be known just as 'Prince'

I think his various names throughout his career went something like:

Prince Rogers
Prince
Symbol
The Artist Formerly Known as Prince
Prince

On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 11:06:52 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>I've never considered Prince a celebrity, in fact I've never
>considered Prince... in the future I will consider Prince an asshole
>Percocet addict. What makes all these so-called "celebrities" want to
>do themselves in, they are assholes, there's no other explanation.
>Anyone who chooses to raise themselves to celebrity status by taking
>their own life was never anything... no way can I celebrate these
>assholes.

Yawn, you are SO boring when you're drunk.

On 2016-04-23 11:54:10 +0000, Gary said:

> Every death is a tragedy to someone. There's nothing good that
> comes from it unless the person was pure evil.
>
> Almost 40 years ago, my boss lost his dog of many years. He went to
> pieces and did a whole very expensive funeral thing. We all laughed
> (behind his back). For God's sake, it's JUST a stupid dog. I know
> better now. I know exactly how it feels.

Good for you. When John Lee Hooker died, in a music group I pointed out
the man could barely manage to play the guitar at all--all the days of
his life. To call him a hack, was to insult hacks everywhere. As a
singer he was alright, somewhat subpar, but essentially sang the same
song all his life. I got my ass kicked with such vengeance, I realized
they were not coming from *anywhere* that had to do with an analysis of
skills demonstrated on guitar or voice. My bad. I learned.

Learning is a good thing.

On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 10:40:33 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:


>I wouldn't know. I don't find music entertaining.

So WTF are you doing in this thread, dispensing 'wisdom' on what is
good or bad musically.

>what an ugly human being... I think he worked at making
>himself unattractive.

Irony right there folks.

On 2016-04-23 21:25:23 +0000, Bruce� said:

> On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 14:06:02 -0700, gtr > wrote:
>
>> On 2016-04-23 19:52:42 +0000, Bruce? said:
>>
>>>> I wouldn't know. I don't find music entertaining. I don't listen to
>>>> music.
>
> I never said this.

Sorry, triple quoted from Brooklyn1's passbook of stupidity.

On 2016-04-23 21:11:38 +0000, said:

> On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 14:07:08 -0700, gtr > wrote:
>
>> On 2016-04-23 10:08:29 +0000, said:
>>
>>> Prince could have been a great rock guitarist.
>>
>> He *could* have been a great rock guitarist when he was 13. So in his
>> early 30's, he was a great rock guitarist.
>
> If I think great guitarist, I think Segovia or John Williams - they
> really had to play, no electrics making it easy for them!

They themselves would admit they were not great rock guitarists.

On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 22:25:43 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>Yes he was, whether I liked his songs or not. I just don't understand
>grown up people getting all broken up over his death.

I suspect many who appear or claim to be 'devastated' will forget all
about him in a few weeks. Prince's back catalogue will get good sales
for a while - then that'll be it. This happens every time a major
artist croaks.

On 4/23/2016 8:47 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I know that there were a number of celebrity deaths that shocked and
> disappointed me. There was a sense of loss. But to make a pilgrimage
> and sit around sobbing like they had just lost a family member? There
> is something wrong with those people.
>
You mean like the people who flock to Graceland every year on Elvis
Presley's birthday or the anniversary of his death? Nearly 40 years
later people are still camping out, wringing their hands and crying over
him.

Jill

On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 08:47:00 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>I know that there were a number of celebrity deaths that shocked and
>disappointed me. There was a sense of loss. But to make a pilgrimage
>and sit around sobbing like they had just lost a family member? There
>is something wrong with those people.

They are media-compliant people. They buy into all the bullshit hype
and want to be part of it in some small way. So they too become
overwrought about something they ordinarily wouldn't have, at least
nowhere near to the same extent anyway.

Bruce wrote:

>On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 13:56:02 -0600, "d.o.r." > wrote:
>
>>On 4/23/2016 1:48 PM, Bruce? wrote:
>>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 09:43:04 -0600, "d.o.r." > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/23/2016 5:20 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>> Yes, even if it had been a great white, penning a large sea roaming
>>>>>>>>> animal like whales, dolphins, sharks etc is terrible, they have done
>>>>>>>>> nothing wrong yet receive a life sentence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I meant that we kill cows, pigs, lambs, chickens etc by the millions
>>>>>>> without blinking an eye. But when it's an orca or a dolphin it's
>>>>>>> suddenly terrible.
>>>>
>>>> It's natural, as much as any animal hierarchy anywhere else.
>>>> Ever watch a raptor tear into a rabbit?
>>>
>>> The raptor has no choice. Humans do.
>>>
>>A bear is also an omnivore.
>>Ever see one lay an elk carcass open?
>
>The bear has no choice. Humans do.

Um, humans have no more choice than bears and raptors.

On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 10:19:28 -0300, wrote:

>I think that started with Diana and progressed from there, even to
>memorials for unknown people who die in car crashes on the highway.

I think it's really taken off in recent years due to social media.
So many people are making posts about some famous person's passing and
how devastated they are about it <rolls eyes>. So the media can then
cite that crap as evidence that the world has come to a stop over the
death of some public figure.

On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 10:07:39 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>It must be something lacking in their real everyday life. Sure, when
>someone dies the close family and friends will miss that person. With
>celebrity, we may miss their talents and entertainment, but what makes a
>person travel some distance, buy flowers, add them to a makeshift shrine?

Self indulgence, boredom and attention seeking. It is an event which
they can participate in. Encouraged by media coverage - from which you
too can learn the 'protocols' required for participation.

On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 20:45:36 +1000, Bruce© >
wrote:

>On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 07:33:07 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 12:41:43 +1000, Bruce © >
>>wrote:
>>
>>Yes, even if it had been a great white, penning a large sea roaming
>>animal like whales, dolphins, sharks etc is terrible, they have done
>>nothing wrong yet receive a life sentence.
>
>I meant that we kill cows, pigs, lambs, chickens etc by the millions
>without blinking an eye. But when it's an orca or a dolphin it's
>suddenly terrible.

What about fish for human consumption?

On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 10:13:33 AM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
> I thought this was a newsgroup fer cooking. Using "curry powder" is
> barely one step above nuking a frozen entree. I mean, c'mon,
> pre-ground/mixed curry pwdr? I didn't know they even still sold that
> abomination.
>
> At least aim fer something called garam masala. You can buy it in
> single containers, much like "curry powder". Better yet, make yer
> own. Here's one recipe:
>






Tonight I'll listen to fantasy girl by 38 special and that smell by lynyrd skynyrd.
> RAS EL HANOUT spice mix
>
> 2 teaspoons ground ginger
> 2 teaspoons ground cardamon
> 2 teaspoons ground mace
> 1 teaspoon cinnamon
> 1 teaspoon ground allspice
> 1 teaspoon ground coriander seeds
> 1 teaspoon ground nutmeg
> 1 teaspoon turmeric
> 1/2 teaspoon ground black pepper
> 1/2 teaspoon ground white pepper
> 1/2 teaspoon ground cayenne pepper
> 1/2 teaspoon ground anise seeds
> 1/4 teaspoon ground cloves
>
> This is my basic spice mix fer a Moroccan tagine, but make no mistake,
> a Moroccan tagine IS a true curry. If you wanna get technical, an
> Étouffée is a curry. Jes different spices.
>
> C'mon ppl! How hard can it be to mix some spices. Even pre-ground
> spices mixed together to create a garam masala has gotta be better
> than McCormick's "curry powder". I gar-own-tee!
>
> I'm not even gonna address the fact someone put that garbage on lamb.
> Hell, I can't even afford lamb. But!.... I can afford whole spices.
> Usually less than $1/oz and I grind it up ina used whirly-blade coffee
> grinder. I keep one dish's worth in the cupboard.
>
> BTW, a classic lamb curry is called a Rogan Josh. Lotta recipes,
> online. They use garam masala, not "curry powder"! (that's the very
> last time I type that 'orible phrase).
>
> nb

On 4/23/2016 3:02 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

>>>> All of music is crap, if you posit it just right.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't know. I don't find music entertaining. I don't listen to
>>> music.
>>
>> Spare us your opionion about Prince or any other musician then.
>
> I don't care about his music, but as a living being he valued his life
> less


You have not the SLIGHTEST clue what was going on inside HIS body and
HIS head, you worthless little insect.

You best bugger off this group because I will RUIN the rest of your days
here!

On 4/23/2016 3:03 PM, Bruce� wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 14:55:56 -0600, "d.o.r." > wrote:
>
>> On 4/23/2016 2:43 PM, Bruce? wrote:
>
>>> They're omnivores, so they will also eat meat. We have a choice.
>>>
>>
>> We too are omnivores.
>>
>> Meaning that both species have choices to make.
>>
>> A brief glance at our dentician confirms that like the bear we have
>> canine teeth for tearing flesh.
>>
>> The dangling participle of ethical eating hinges upon whether we (in our
>> self-absorbed glory) choose to credit the bear with self-awareness and
>> reasoning.
>>
>> That's the slipperiest of slopes and I assure you that for sheer
>> inventiveness and creativity at getting what it wants your average bear
>> is one savvy, thinking predator.
>
> The fact remains that we have a choice.

So does a bear.

> We can live perfectly well without eating meat.

So can a bear.

On 4/23/2016 3:07 PM, gtr wrote:
> On 2016-04-23 10:08:29 +0000, said:
>
>> Prince could have been a great rock guitarist.
>
> He *could* have been a great rock guitarist when he was 13. So in his
> early 30's, he was a great rock guitarist.
>

And remained one his entire career.

lucretiaborgia wrote:
>gtr wrote:
>>coltwvu said:
>>
>>> Prince could have been a great rock guitarist.
>>
>>He *could* have been a great rock guitarist when he was 13. So in his
>>early 30's, he was a great rock guitarist.
>
>If I think great guitarist, I think Segovia or John Williams - they
>really had to play, no electrics making it easy for them!

Precisely. Electric guitars are to music what paint by numbers is to
art. Nowadays with modern electronics electric guitars and keyboards
can be programed to play every note, those hotshot so-called musicians
may as well be lip syncing. Many of the rockers are all about
costume, hair, piercings, and tats.

On 4/23/2016 5:11 PM, wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 14:07:08 -0700, gtr > wrote:
>
>> On 2016-04-23 10:08:29 +0000, said:
>>
>>> Prince could have been a great rock guitarist.
>>
>> He *could* have been a great rock guitarist when he was 13. So in his
>> early 30's, he was a great rock guitarist.
>
> If I think great guitarist, I think Segovia or John Williams - they
> really had to play, no electrics making it easy for them!
>


You have too think of the acoustic and electrics as different
instruments, despite the common name. Some people play both well, but a
few really excel on one version or the other. I'd not think of the
electric as easier aside from the fact it can make louder volume easier
through an amp.

Segovia would not play the music of the modern electric guitarist anyway
so you cannot compare them head on. I find this interesting:

His teaching style is a source of controversy among some of his former
students, who considered it to be dogmatically authoritarian.[40] One of
Segovia's most celebrated former students of the classical guitar, John
Williams, has said that Segovia bullied students into playing only his
style, stifling the development of their own styles.[41][42] Williams
has also said that Segovia was dismissive of music that did not have
what Segovia considered the right classical origins, such as South
American music with popular roots.[41]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9s_Segovia

On 4/23/2016 3:11 PM, wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 14:07:08 -0700, gtr > wrote:
>
>> On 2016-04-23 10:08:29 +0000, said:
>>
>>> Prince could have been a great rock guitarist.
>>
>> He *could* have been a great rock guitarist when he was 13. So in his
>> early 30's, he was a great rock guitarist.
>
> If I think great guitarist, I think Segovia or John Williams - they
> really had to play, no electrics making it easy for them!
>

Electric does not make IT easy, if anything it's less forgiving, every
error amplified, and the musician must balance amplification, effects,
sustain, decay, tonality, etc.

All at 100% tells-all volume.

You're a nasty old fool who has an opinion on everything and knowledge
of precious little.

Drop dead.

On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 06:10:02 +1000, Bruce© >
wrote:

>The bear has no choice. Humans do.

Some animals kill for the sake of hunting/killing, even when not
hungry. Humans DO have the unique choice not to encourage trolls
though.

On 4/23/2016 3:13 PM, gtr wrote:
> It's difficult to explain sadness and grief for people who don't
> understand it, but it can be a painful thing.

That's a most telling revelation you made to him.

He will not get it either, nor could he be expected to.

On 4/23/2016 3:17 PM, gtr wrote:
> On 2016-04-23 10:41:12 +0000, Bruce � said:
>
>> People were reacting even more strongly to Bowie dying. They're iconic
>> people whether you're a fan or not. Maybe rfc is too old to appreciate
>> Prince.
>
> I think that's true, but there is a certain type of people that take
> pleasure in ****ing on a singer, politician, writer, celebrity on their
> passing. It's a casual spite thing, and likely a show of their
> inability to connect with the feelings of others.

Sheldumb (and far too many other here) in a nutshell.

> If you really *hated* Prince's music--as for instance I really *hated*
> the evil of "Fat Tony" Scalia--then when he dies you take some pleasure
> in ****ing on his grave. But if you don't even know his music, and when
> you dismissed it did so with almost no passion at all, then it's really
> just social ineptitude.

It's evil incarnate, oozing out on opportunity.

On 4/23/2016 10:07 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> It must be something lacking in their real everyday life. Sure, when
> someone dies the close family and friends will miss that person. With
> celebrity, we may miss their talents and entertainment, but what makes a
> person travel some distance, buy flowers, add them to a makeshift shrine?

Some people are just plain crazy. Elvis Presley's "fans" still flock to
Graceland every year from all over the world, nearly 40 years after his
death. Why? It's not as if they knew him.

Jill

On 4/23/2016 3:19 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 07:27:40 -0300, wrote:
>
>> Ditto. I recall all the fuss at the time of Purple Rain and his
>> announcement that in future he would be known just as 'Prince'
>
> I think his various names throughout his career went something like:
>
> Prince Rogers
> Prince
> Symbol
> The Artist Formerly Known as Prince
> Prince
>
>
He BROKE the stranglehold labels had on artists, making them virtual
slaves to the suits.

He was a great person.

http://blackgrooves.org/slave-trade-...usic-business/

From hits like Purple Rain to near disasters following a name change to
an unpronounceable symbol, music risk-taker Prince has surprised fans,
the music industry, and the entire world with his stunts. Despite heavy
setbacks, such as album failures that left him on the verge of
bankruptcy and a controlling contract from Warner Bros., Prince never
ceased doing what he loved most: making music. Slave Trade: How Prince
Re-Made the Music Business is a documentary that takes viewers back to
the late "70s, highlighting all the twists and turns of Princes career
through the present day. The film focuses on the artists strong
disagreement with his record label, Warner Bros., and how his oppression
from their contract drove him to lead a revolution of the music business.

Prince has always been a daring character, and the film shows him
pushing boundaries at every opportunity. True to his style, Prince
recognized that his label, Warner Bros., was paying other artists like
Madonna and Michael Jackson more than him, so he demanded change. After
expressing how he deserved to have a $100 million contract that exceeded
those of his competitors, Warner Bros. took the bait and saw this as a
way to trap the artist by requiring him to sell 5 million copies of each
of his next four albums. Prince was up to the challenge, releasing the
commercial hit Diamonds and Pearls, but unfortunately fell short on his
next project, Love Symbols, selling only 1 million units. Still, the
artists stubborn attitude saved him from disaster as he took matters
into his own hands and went on an intimate tour of the U.S. to promote
Love Symbols. Little success followed, but still Prince kept producing
new music, the crux of his problem.
As the new decade approached and gangster rap dominated the music scene,
Prince never faltered and produced yet another album through a side
project Gold Nigga, trying to incorporate this new sound. Warner Bros.
refused to market the album, claiming the music was bad. Not
surprisingly for Prince, he directly violated his contract by promoting
the album on his own through telephone calls and booths at his concert.
Warner Bros. was furious and in a move of final retaliation, Prince
changed his name to the hieroglyph from Love Symbols, severing his ties
with Warner Bros. and the €œcorporate entity€� of Prince. Rock bottom was
on the horizon, but still €œthe artist formerly known as Prince€� made
music, releasing the single €œThe Most Beautiful Girl in the World€�
without any corporate help, just private support. Warner Bros. execs sat
back and were ready to laugh at the destruction of his career, but were
promptly slapped in the face with surprise when €œThe Most Beautiful Girl
in the World€� became a worldwide hit. With renewed confidence, the
artist pushed the envelope farther than ever before when he proposed the
idea of releasing a €œPrince€� album and a €œLove Symbol hieroglyph€� album
on the same day to see which one fans would buy; the old Prince or the
new Prince. In perhaps a wise choice from the label, the idea was shot
down and from that point on in 1995, the artist formerly known as Prince
began to appear in pubic with the word €œslave€� scrawled across his face;
that is, a slave to the music business.
With tensions at an all-time high between artist and label, The Gold
Experience in 1995 became the last album released under the contract.
While the album was musically impressive, even more so than Diamonds and
Pearls, both Warner Bros. and Prince suffered losses due to the hatred
between employee and employer that negatively influenced the public.
Finally free from his corporate chains, Prince began to promote himself,
reaping all the benefits of his shows with the New Power Generation.
Prince really began to turn the tides of the music business when he
started selling his latest compilation of songs, Crystal Ball, online
and direct to his customers. From then on, he began to favor new
industry models, supporting Napster and the like. Prince ebbed away for
some years but burst back onto the scene on the 2004 Grammy stage with
the queen of R&B herself, Beyoncé. Fans realized how much they missed
the eccentric guitarist/vocalist and rushed to purchase Musicology,
which sold 85 million copies, marking his best success yet. Three years
later he was on another world stage, performing at the Super Bowl and
once again becoming a household name. Slave Trade concludes with scenes
of Prince working on his project with the up-and-coming girl group,
3rdEyeGirl (Plectrumelectrum, released in September 2014).
Before this documentary, I had no knowledge of Prince or his music. All
I knew was that he was a great guitarist, wore makeup, and my mother
loved him. So, as a total newcomer to his career, watching Slave Trade
was like an atomic bomb of information about this legend. My mouth was
continuously dropping open in surprise and disbelief at all the risky
moves Prince made, and kept making, even when things were turning sour.
I am astounded by his career and his relentless passion for making music
that makes him proud, not what will sell.

On 4/23/2016 3:20 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 11:06:52 -0400, Brooklyn1
> > wrote:
>
>> I've never considered Prince a celebrity, in fact I've never
>> considered Prince... in the future I will consider Prince an asshole
>> Percocet addict. What makes all these so-called "celebrities" want to
>> do themselves in, they are assholes, there's no other explanation.
>> Anyone who chooses to raise themselves to celebrity status by taking
>> their own life was never anything... no way can I celebrate these
>> assholes.
>
> Yawn, you are SO boring when you're drunk.
>

Ditto that.

On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 17:02:28 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>gtr wrote:
>>>
>>>>It may be true that people who stopped buying records 10 years before
>>>>Prince had gained popularity, wouldn't get how he changed pop music 30
>>>>years after it he did it. That makes sense. Just like vegetables for
>>>>children are "poopy food". Absolutely!
>>>>
>>>>But please, more empty evalutions by unrelated geezers who haven't
>>>>listened to him would be even more entertaiining. Carry on!
>>>>
>>>>Pick a pop tune that you loved when you were a kid, The Rascals "Good
>>>>Lovin'", Spencer Davis doing "Gimme Some Lovin'", Sly's "Hot Fun in the
>>>>Summer Time", Jackie Wilson's, "Your Love Keeps Lifting Me Higher";
>>>>name it. Then imagine how impressed you'd be by the song if you first
>>>>time heard it in your 60's, and you just listened to the first chorus
>>>>or something.
>>>>
>>>>All of music is crap, if you posit it just right.
>>>
>>>I wouldn't know. I don't find music entertaining. I don't listen to
>>>music.
>>
>>Spare us your opionion about Prince or any other musician then.
>
>I don't care about his music, but as a living being he valued his life
>less than composting manure... Prince obviously didn't value his own
>music either, all he valued were tons of little white "feel good" pain
>pills. There are way too many doctors prescribing way too many pain
>pills and I personally know that for a fact. When I had pain for
>herniated discs and spinal stenosis every doctor I went to over a few
>years prescribed pain pills by the hundreds. I refused to take them.
>Finally I found a doctor who cured my pain with injections. I tried
>injections previously with other doctors with no result. This doctor
>was a tiny Korean lady who mixed up a cocktail and knew exactly where
>to inject it, the very next morning miraculously no more pain, that
>was more than five years ago... her only instruction was no more heavy
>digging so my tree planting ended. I experienced the same thing when
>I had a rotting wisdom tooth extracted, that oral surgeon sent me home
>with a Rx for a 100 pain pills, I never filled it. The pain passed in
>less than 24 hours, all I took were two Aleve. What I hear on the
>news is that pain pills have become a huge epidemic, too many doctors
>are over prescribing and too many people have become addicted. A
>double 2ni before bedtime is much safer for the occasional pain. I
>lost two many friends to drugs. It's on the news right now, last year
>alone 40,000 Americans have died from opiate pain pill addiction.

Christ almighty, you talk some absolute CRAP.

On 4/23/2016 3:25 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 10:40:33 -0400, Brooklyn1
> > wrote:
>
>
>> I wouldn't know. I don't find music entertaining.
>
> So WTF are you doing in this thread, dispensing 'wisdom' on what is
> good or bad musically.
>
>> what an ugly human being... I think he worked at making
>> himself unattractive.
>
> Irony right there folks.
>
You may have sen his pictu

http://www.recfoodcooking.com/mug/shot/Sheldon.jpg

....shark bait, mate...

On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 18:11:38 -0300, wrote:

>If I think great guitarist, I think Segovia or John Williams - they
>really had to play, no electrics making it easy for them!

Electrics makes it easier??? That's news to me.