lucretiaborgia wrote:
>gtr wrote:
>>coltwvu said:
>>
>>> Prince could have been a great rock guitarist.
>>
>>He *could* have been a great rock guitarist when he was 13. So in his
>>early 30's, he was a great rock guitarist.
>
>If I think great guitarist, I think Segovia or John Williams - they
>really had to play, no electrics making it easy for them!

Precisely. Electric guitars are to music what paint by numbers is to
art. Nowadays with modern electronics electric guitars and keyboards
can be programed to play every note, those hotshot so-called musicians
may as well be lip syncing. Many of the rockers are all about
costume, hair, piercings, and tats.

On 4/23/2016 4:08 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> lucretiaborgia wrote:
>> gtr wrote:
>>> coltwvu said:
>>>
>>>> Prince could have been a great rock guitarist.
>>>
>>> He *could* have been a great rock guitarist when he was 13. So in his
>>> early 30's, he was a great rock guitarist.
>>
>> If I think great guitarist, I think Segovia or John Williams - they
>> really had to play, no electrics making it easy for them!
>
> Precisely.

You're as ill-educated and non-musical as the witch is!

> Electric guitars are to music what paint by numbers is to
> art.

Only a MIDI-driven Fretlight fits that bill.

> Nowadays with modern electronics electric guitars and keyboards
> can be programed to play every note,

No they can't.

You're INSANE!

> those hotshot so-called musicians
> may as well be lip syncing. Many of the rockers are all about
> costume, hair, piercings, and tats.

You're a nasty looking little can of shark bait, midget.

**** off and DIE!

On 2016-04-23 6:08 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> lucretiaborgia wrote:

>> If I think great guitarist, I think Segovia or John Williams - they
>> really had to play, no electrics making it easy for them!
>
> Precisely. Electric guitars are to music what paint by numbers is to
> art. Nowadays with modern electronics electric guitars and keyboards
> can be programed to play every note, those hotshot so-called musicians
> may as well be lip syncing. Many of the rockers are all about
> costume, hair, piercings, and tats.
>


Baalderdash. As a guitar player I can tell you that it can be more
difficult to play an electric guitar well than an acoustic. The pickups
and amplification also magnify mistakes.

On 4/23/2016 5:11 PM, wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 14:07:08 -0700, gtr > wrote:
>
>> On 2016-04-23 10:08:29 +0000, said:
>>
>>> Prince could have been a great rock guitarist.
>>
>> He *could* have been a great rock guitarist when he was 13. So in his
>> early 30's, he was a great rock guitarist.
>
> If I think great guitarist, I think Segovia or John Williams - they
> really had to play, no electrics making it easy for them!
>


You have too think of the acoustic and electrics as different
instruments, despite the common name. Some people play both well, but a
few really excel on one version or the other. I'd not think of the
electric as easier aside from the fact it can make louder volume easier
through an amp.

Segovia would not play the music of the modern electric guitarist anyway
so you cannot compare them head on. I find this interesting:

His teaching style is a source of controversy among some of his former
students, who considered it to be dogmatically authoritarian.[40] One of
Segovia's most celebrated former students of the classical guitar, John
Williams, has said that Segovia bullied students into playing only his
style, stifling the development of their own styles.[41][42] Williams
has also said that Segovia was dismissive of music that did not have
what Segovia considered the right classical origins, such as South
American music with popular roots.[41]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9s_Segovia

On 4/23/2016 4:08 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/23/2016 5:11 PM, wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 14:07:08 -0700, gtr > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-04-23 10:08:29 +0000, said:
>>>
>>>> Prince could have been a great rock guitarist.
>>>
>>> He *could* have been a great rock guitarist when he was 13. So in his
>>> early 30's, he was a great rock guitarist.
>>
>> If I think great guitarist, I think Segovia or John Williams - they
>> really had to play, no electrics making it easy for them!
>>
>
>
> You have too think of the acoustic and electrics as different
> instruments, despite the common name. Some people play both well, but a
> few really excel on one version or the other. I'd not think of the
> electric as easier aside from the fact it can make louder volume easier
> through an amp.

Which then amplifies EVERY error.

Also nylon strings are far easier on the callouses, and the neck is
wider by a good measure.

Next.

> Segovia would not play the music of the modern electric guitarist anyway
> so you cannot compare them head on. I find this interesting:
>
> His teaching style is a source of controversy among some of his former
> students, who considered it to be dogmatically authoritarian.[40] One of
> Segovia's most celebrated former students of the classical guitar, John
> Williams, has said that Segovia bullied students into playing only his
> style, stifling the development of their own styles.[41][42] Williams
> has also said that Segovia was dismissive of music that did not have
> what Segovia considered the right classical origins, such as South
> American music with popular roots.[41]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9s_Segovia


Sounds like he had a dose of Sheldumb in him.

On 2016-04-23 6:08 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/23/2016 5:11 PM, wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 14:07:08 -0700, gtr > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-04-23 10:08:29 +0000, said:
>>>
>>>> Prince could have been a great rock guitarist.
>>>
>>> He *could* have been a great rock guitarist when he was 13. So in his
>>> early 30's, he was a great rock guitarist.
>>
>> If I think great guitarist, I think Segovia or John Williams - they
>> really had to play, no electrics making it easy for them!
>>
>
>
> You have too think of the acoustic and electrics as different
> instruments, despite the common name. Some people play both well, but a
> few really excel on one version or the other. I'd not think of the
> electric as easier aside from the fact it can make louder volume easier
> through an amp.
>
> Segovia would not play the music of the modern electric guitarist anyway
> so you cannot compare them head on. I find this interesting:


I find Segovia's style of classical guitar music to be similar to
bluegrass. It is really nice music to listen to for a short time, but it
gets really boring really fast. Don't get me wrong on that. I have a
nice concert guitar and a nice steel string flat top, and I like to play
classical guitar and bluegrass. They are probably my favourite types of
music to play for my own amusement, but I don't like listening to it for
more than 10-15 minutes.



>
> His teaching style is a source of controversy among some of his former
> students, who considered it to be dogmatically authoritarian.[40] One of
> Segovia's most celebrated former students of the classical guitar, John
> Williams, has said that Segovia bullied students into playing only his
> style, stifling the development of their own styles.


Doesn't surprise me at all. FWIW, I took conservatory lessons and did
fairly well. I learned to sight read music (in most keys) and learned a
lot of music theory, but since I learned to play by reading music I had
to had to work hard to memorize pieces or I had to have the music in
front of me to play it. The next teacher I had was pushing tablature,
which, after having learned to read music, was hard to follow. Then I
took lessons from a guy who taught me how to jam. I have met a number o
accomplished musicians who have the conservatory credentials but who
envy those who can jam.

On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 18:08:55 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 4/23/2016 5:11 PM, wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 14:07:08 -0700, gtr > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2016-04-23 10:08:29 +0000, said:
>>>
>>>> Prince could have been a great rock guitarist.
>>>
>>> He *could* have been a great rock guitarist when he was 13. So in his
>>> early 30's, he was a great rock guitarist.
>>
>> If I think great guitarist, I think Segovia or John Williams - they
>> really had to play, no electrics making it easy for them!
>>
>
>
>You have too think of the acoustic and electrics as different
>instruments, despite the common name. Some people play both well, but a
>few really excel on one version or the other. I'd not think of the
>electric as easier aside from the fact it can make louder volume easier
>through an amp.
>
>Segovia would not play the music of the modern electric guitarist anyway
>so you cannot compare them head on. I find this interesting:
>
>His teaching style is a source of controversy among some of his former
>students, who considered it to be dogmatically authoritarian.[40] One of
>Segovia's most celebrated former students of the classical guitar, John
>Williams, has said that Segovia bullied students into playing only his
>style, stifling the development of their own styles.[41][42] Williams
>has also said that Segovia was dismissive of music that did not have
>what Segovia considered the right classical origins, such as South
>American music with popular roots.[41]
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9s_Segovia

I simply enjoy listening to both

On 4/23/2016 3:11 PM, wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 14:07:08 -0700, gtr > wrote:
>
>> On 2016-04-23 10:08:29 +0000, said:
>>
>>> Prince could have been a great rock guitarist.
>>
>> He *could* have been a great rock guitarist when he was 13. So in his
>> early 30's, he was a great rock guitarist.
>
> If I think great guitarist, I think Segovia or John Williams - they
> really had to play, no electrics making it easy for them!
>

Electric does not make IT easy, if anything it's less forgiving, every
error amplified, and the musician must balance amplification, effects,
sustain, decay, tonality, etc.

All at 100% tells-all volume.

You're a nasty old fool who has an opinion on everything and knowledge
of precious little.

Drop dead.

On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 18:11:38 -0300, wrote:

>If I think great guitarist, I think Segovia or John Williams - they
>really had to play, no electrics making it easy for them!

Electrics makes it easier??? That's news to me.

On 2016-04-23 6:19 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 18:11:38 -0300, wrote:
>
>> If I think great guitarist, I think Segovia or John Williams - they
>> really had to play, no electrics making it easy for them!
>
> Electrics makes it easier??? That's news to me.
>


Electric does not make it easier. It amplifies mistakes as well as
amplifying the volume. However, it also allows the player to alter the
sound of the instrument. The switches and controllers on the guitar,
combined with the controls on the amp allow for a wide range of sounds.
Good guitarists know who to use those effects to make the instrument sing.

On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 08:27:20 +1000, Bruce© >
wrote:

>On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 08:19:34 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 18:11:38 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>>If I think great guitarist, I think Segovia or John Williams - they
>>>really had to play, no electrics making it easy for them!
>>
>>Electrics makes it easier??? That's news to me.
>
>Well you know, just like a food processor makes grating carrots easier
>than doing it manually.

I wonder if you can grate carrots with a guitar?

On 4/23/2016 4:27 PM, Bruce� wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 08:19:34 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 18:11:38 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>> If I think great guitarist, I think Segovia or John Williams - they
>>> really had to play, no electrics making it easy for them!
>>
>> Electrics makes it easier??? That's news to me.
>
> Well you know, just like a food processor makes grating carrots easier
> than doing it manually.
>
Well you are DEAD wrong.

There are a host of factor for an electric guitarist to control and
master that an acoustic player never deals with.

END of story.

On Saturday, April 23, 2016 at 5:11:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 14:07:08 -0700, gtr > wrote:
>
> >On 2016-04-23 10:08:29 +0000, said:
> >
> >> Prince could have been a great rock guitarist.
> >
> >He *could* have been a great rock guitarist when he was 13. So in his
> >early 30's, he was a great rock guitarist.
>
> If I think great guitarist, I think Segovia or John Williams - they
> really had to play, no electrics making it easy for them!

Agreed, although I'm not sure electric guitars are really any
easier.

Cindy Hamilton

"Bruce©" wrote:
>
> Lucretia seems to think that electric guitars play themselves and
> electric guitarists only need to turn them on

She seems to be thinking about those video games that come with a fake
guitar. "You TOO can be a rock star."

As far as ability to play a guitar well, either one will show that
you're good or not so good. Electric doesn't change the talent factor.

And back to the Prince subject. You might have liked or not liked his
music but that boy could really play the guitar. He was good.

On 4/24/2016 5:48 AM, Bruce� wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 04:29:39 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, April 23, 2016 at 5:11:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
>>> On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 14:07:08 -0700, gtr > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2016-04-23 10:08:29 +0000, said:
>>>>
>>>>> Prince could have been a great rock guitarist.
>>>>
>>>> He *could* have been a great rock guitarist when he was 13. So in his
>>>> early 30's, he was a great rock guitarist.
>>>
>>> If I think great guitarist, I think Segovia or John Williams - they
>>> really had to play, no electrics making it easy for them!
>>
>> Agreed, although I'm not sure electric guitars are really any
>> easier.
>
> Lucretia seems to think that electric guitars play themselves and
> electric guitarists only need to turn them on
>

She's like Shelly, adrift in her own limited perceptions.

On 4/23/2016 3:07 PM, gtr wrote:
> On 2016-04-23 10:08:29 +0000, said:
>
>> Prince could have been a great rock guitarist.
>
> He *could* have been a great rock guitarist when he was 13. So in his
> early 30's, he was a great rock guitarist.
>

And remained one his entire career.

There's a lot of people younger than 57 that die.

On 4/23/2016 5:01 AM, wrote:
> There's a lot of people younger than 57 that die.
>

Yeah, so?

coltwvu wrote:
>
>There's a lot of people younger than 57 that die.

Absolutely! Most people I knew growing up are gone, most didn't reach
fifty. Several childhood friends didn't make ten years old, Polio.

I didn't like Bowies music either.

wrote in message ...

I didn't like Bowies music either.
=========

I love his music, especially this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjNToRlUen8

Cheri

On 4/23/2016 8:00 AM, Cheri wrote:
> wrote in message
> ...
> I didn't like Bowies music either. =========
>
> I love his music, especially this one.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjNToRlUen8
>
> Cheri
>

You talk about sheer depth of talent, amazing!

Makes me wonder what a duet of Perry Como and Jim Morrison might have
been like.

On Sat, 23 Apr 2016 07:00:04 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>wrote in message ...
>
>I didn't like Bowies music either.
>=========
>
>I love his music, especially this one.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjNToRlUen8
>
>Cheri

Very nice... a far better voice than Prince.

On 4/23/2016 12:05 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> a far better voice than Prince.

You need to **** off out of here forever, you just became a project.

On 4/23/2016 7:17 AM, wrote:
> I didn't like Bowies music either.
>
Of course you didn't, that was not going to be much of a surprise...

Putting out fire with gasoline is ok.

On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 10:13:33 AM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
> I thought this was a newsgroup fer cooking. Using "curry powder" is
> barely one step above nuking a frozen entree. I mean, c'mon,
> pre-ground/mixed curry pwdr? I didn't know they even still sold that
> abomination.
>
> At least aim fer something called garam masala. You can buy it in
> single containers, much like "curry powder". Better yet, make yer
> own. Here's one recipe:
>






Tonight I'll listen to fantasy girl by 38 special and that smell by lynyrd skynyrd.
> RAS EL HANOUT spice mix
>
> 2 teaspoons ground ginger
> 2 teaspoons ground cardamon
> 2 teaspoons ground mace
> 1 teaspoon cinnamon
> 1 teaspoon ground allspice
> 1 teaspoon ground coriander seeds
> 1 teaspoon ground nutmeg
> 1 teaspoon turmeric
> 1/2 teaspoon ground black pepper
> 1/2 teaspoon ground white pepper
> 1/2 teaspoon ground cayenne pepper
> 1/2 teaspoon ground anise seeds
> 1/4 teaspoon ground cloves
>
> This is my basic spice mix fer a Moroccan tagine, but make no mistake,
> a Moroccan tagine IS a true curry. If you wanna get technical, an
> Étouffée is a curry. Jes different spices.
>
> C'mon ppl! How hard can it be to mix some spices. Even pre-ground
> spices mixed together to create a garam masala has gotta be better
> than McCormick's "curry powder". I gar-own-tee!
>
> I'm not even gonna address the fact someone put that garbage on lamb.
> Hell, I can't even afford lamb. But!.... I can afford whole spices.
> Usually less than $1/oz and I grind it up ina used whirly-blade coffee
> grinder. I keep one dish's worth in the cupboard.
>
> BTW, a classic lamb curry is called a Rogan Josh. Lotta recipes,
> online. They use garam masala, not "curry powder"! (that's the very
> last time I type that 'orible phrase).
>
> nb

On 4/23/2016 4:04 PM, wrote:
> Tonight I'll listen to fantasy girl by 38 special and that smell by lynyrd skynyrd.

You really should add in "Simple Man".

On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 10:13:33 AM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
> I thought this was a newsgroup fer cooking. Using "curry powder" is
> barely one step above nuking a frozen entree. I mean, c'mon,
> pre-ground/mixed curry pwdr? I didn't know they even still sold that
> abomination.
>
> At least aim fer something called garam masala. You can buy it in
> single containers, much like "curry powder". Better yet, make yer
> own. Here's one recipe:
>
> RAS EL HANOUT spice mix
>
> 2 teaspoons ground ginger
> 2 teaspoons ground cardamon
> 2 teaspoons ground mace
> 1 teaspoon cinnamon
> 1 teaspoon ground allspice
> 1 teaspoon ground coriander seeds
> 1 teaspoon ground nutmeg
> 1 teaspoon turmeric
> 1/2 teaspoon ground black pepper
> 1/2 teaspoon ground white pepper
> 1/2 teaspoon ground cayenne pepper
> 1/2 teaspoon ground anise seeds
> 1/4 teaspoon ground cloves
>
> This is my basic spice mix fer a Moroccan tagine, but make no mistake,
> a Moroccan tagine IS a true curry. If you wanna get technical, an
> Étouffée is a curry. Jes different spices.
>
> C'mon ppl! How hard can it be to mix some spices. Even pre-ground
> spices mixed together to create a garam masala has gotta be better
> than McCormick's "curry powder". I gar-own-tee!
>
> I'm not even gonna address the fact someone put that garbage on lamb.
> Hell, I can't even afford lamb. But!.... I can afford whole spices.
> Usually less than $1/oz and I grind it up ina used whirly-blade coffee
> grinder. I keep one dish's worth in the cupboard.
>
> BTW, a classic lamb curry is called a Rogan Josh. Lotta recipes,
> online. They use garam masala, not "curry powder"! (that's the very
> last time I type that 'orible phrase).
>
> nb






Lady Gaga's mom was a cheerleader at WVU when I went to school there. Her mom and her moms parents are from WV.

I'd favor the battle hymn of the republic.

On 4/24/2016 3:09 PM, wrote:
> I'd favor the battle hymn of the republic.
>

I could go with that. God Bless American has been suggested but I'm
sure it would never go unless God was dropped from the lyrics.

On 4/24/2016 3:26 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/24/2016 3:09 PM, wrote:
>> I'd favor the battle hymn of the republic.
>>
>
> I could go with that. God Bless American has been suggested but I'm
> sure it would never go unless God was dropped from the lyrics.

America the Beautiful is un-warlike, and non-sectarian.

On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 15:49:03 -0400, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 4/24/2016 3:26 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 4/24/2016 3:09 PM, wrote:
>>> I'd favor the battle hymn of the republic.
>>>
>>
>> I could go with that. God Bless American has been suggested but I'm
>> sure it would never go unless God was dropped from the lyrics.
>
>America the Beautiful is un-warlike, and non-sectarian.

Might be a bit too soon for such a radical shift in attitude?

On 24/04/2016 2:15 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 15:49:03 -0400, S Viemeister
> > wrote:
>
>> On 4/24/2016 3:26 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 4/24/2016 3:09 PM, wrote:
>>>> I'd favor the battle hymn of the republic.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I could go with that. God Bless American has been suggested but I'm
>>> sure it would never go unless God was dropped from the lyrics.
>>
>> America the Beautiful is un-warlike, and non-sectarian.
>
> Might be a bit too soon for such a radical shift in attitude?
>
However, Waltzing Matilda was fine until the Advance Australia Fairies
decided it wasn't dignified.

On 4/24/2016 4:15 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 15:49:03 -0400, S Viemeister
> > wrote:
>
>> On 4/24/2016 3:26 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 4/24/2016 3:09 PM, wrote:
>>>> I'd favor the battle hymn of the republic.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I could go with that. God Bless American has been suggested but I'm
>>> sure it would never go unless God was dropped from the lyrics.
>>
>> America the Beautiful is un-warlike, and non-sectarian.
>
> Might be a bit too soon for such a radical shift in attitude?
>
I live in hope.

On 4/24/2016 2:15 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 15:49:03 -0400, S Viemeister
> > wrote:
>
>> On 4/24/2016 3:26 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 4/24/2016 3:09 PM, wrote:
>>>> I'd favor the battle hymn of the republic.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I could go with that. God Bless American has been suggested but I'm
>>> sure it would never go unless God was dropped from the lyrics.
>>
>> America the Beautiful is un-warlike, and non-sectarian.
>
> Might be a bit too soon for such a radical shift in attitude?
>

For our enemies?

True.

Best be movin' on son, before you become one...

"S Viemeister" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/24/2016 3:26 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 4/24/2016 3:09 PM, wrote:
>>> I'd favor the battle hymn of the republic.
>>>
>>
>> I could go with that. God Bless American has been suggested but I'm
>> sure it would never go unless God was dropped from the lyrics.
>
> America the Beautiful is un-warlike, and non-sectarian.

I like it fine just the way it is.

Cheri

On 4/24/2016 6:18 PM, Cheri wrote:
>
>
> I like it fine just the way it is.
>
> Cheri

There's a little warbling (due to her singing style) but Whitney Houston
could hit *all* the notes of the Star Spangled Banner without a problem:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdcKLuRjIX0

As someone else said, it's not an easy song to sing. The vocal range is
all over the map, to so speak. At any rate, Frances Scott Key didn't
intend it to be a song. It was a poem which was later set to music.

Jill

On 4/24/2016 1:49 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 4/24/2016 3:26 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 4/24/2016 3:09 PM, wrote:
>>> I'd favor the battle hymn of the republic.
>>>
>>
>> I could go with that. God Bless American has been suggested but I'm
>> sure it would never go unless God was dropped from the lyrics.
>
> America the Beautiful is un-warlike, and non-sectarian.

Without two wars we'd have no America to sing about.

On Sun, 24 Apr 2016 15:26:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 4/24/2016 3:09 PM, wrote:
> > I'd favor the battle hymn of the republic.
> >
>
> I could go with that. God Bless American has been suggested but I'm
> sure it would never go unless God was dropped from the lyrics.

Why? They won't take God out of the pledge and it wasn't even in
there up until they started looking for commies under every bed.

--

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