On 2015-11-17 2:22 PM, graham wrote:

> Yes. Halfwits rescue dogs in Mexico and the US and bring them back to
> Canada. FFS, I saw a program the other week where someone was bringing
> in some from Taiwan (or somewhere in the Far East). One stupid woman was
> on TV bringing in a large number of dogs from the US that had been
> marked for putting down. Most were pitbulls!!!!!!!
>


Pit bulls are banned here. They cannot be bred or imported. About 6
months ago I was at the dog park when a friend arrived with her
daughter's dog. It was a pit bull imported from the US by the humane
society... the same outfit that is contracted by the town to enforce
bylaws and provincial animal regulations... like the pit bull ban.

On 17/11/2015 3:20 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 17:14:58 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2015-11-17 2:22 PM, graham wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. Halfwits rescue dogs in Mexico and the US and bring them back to
>>> Canada. FFS, I saw a program the other week where someone was bringing
>>> in some from Taiwan (or somewhere in the Far East). One stupid woman was
>>> on TV bringing in a large number of dogs from the US that had been
>>> marked for putting down. Most were pitbulls!!!!!!!
>>>
>>
>>
>> Pit bulls are banned here. They cannot be bred or imported. About 6
>> months ago I was at the dog park when a friend arrived with her
>> daughter's dog. It was a pit bull imported from the US by the humane
>> society... the same outfit that is contracted by the town to enforce
>> bylaws and provincial animal regulations... like the pit bull ban.
>
> Why are you both talking about imported pitbulls, when importing
> pitbulls isn't allowed?
>
Canada is big! Some cities have banned them, others have not.

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It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness,
disregard of all rules and sadistic pleasure in
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wrote:
> Well they can be, we had a woman importing dogs from California at one
> point = we don't have enough here already?? Another time it was
> someone who wanted to bring in about 300 basically 'feral' dogs from
> northern Labrador.


How are those feral Syrians Trudeau is importing going to hit you,
propane bombs, AK fire...maybe some suitcase nukes?

Dave Smith wrote:
> Pit bulls are banned here. They cannot be bred or imported.

But Trudeau wants to import exploding Syrians!

Brilliant.

On 2015-11-17 5:33 PM, graham wrote:
> On 17/11/2015 3:20 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 17:14:58 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-11-17 2:22 PM, graham wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes. Halfwits rescue dogs in Mexico and the US and bring them back to
>>>> Canada. FFS, I saw a program the other week where someone was bringing
>>>> in some from Taiwan (or somewhere in the Far East). One stupid woman
>>>> was
>>>> on TV bringing in a large number of dogs from the US that had been
>>>> marked for putting down. Most were pitbulls!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pit bulls are banned here. They cannot be bred or imported. About 6
>>> months ago I was at the dog park when a friend arrived with her
>>> daughter's dog. It was a pit bull imported from the US by the humane
>>> society... the same outfit that is contracted by the town to enforce
>>> bylaws and provincial animal regulations... like the pit bull ban.
>>
>> Why are you both talking about imported pitbulls, when importing
>> pitbulls isn't allowed?
>>
> Canada is big! Some cities have banned them, others have not.
>

True. Canada is big. The province of Ontario has banned pitbulls. My
point was that the organization that has been contracted to enforce
local and provincial bylaws has violated the same laws they are supposed
to enforce. As I indicated, my friend said that her daughter had adopted
a dog from the human society and it was a pit bull that had been
imported by the society from the US.

On 11/17/2015 3:14 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-11-17 2:22 PM, graham wrote:
>
>> Yes. Halfwits rescue dogs in Mexico and the US and bring them back to
>> Canada. FFS, I saw a program the other week where someone was bringing
>> in some from Taiwan (or somewhere in the Far East). One stupid woman was
>> on TV bringing in a large number of dogs from the US that had been
>> marked for putting down. Most were pitbulls!!!!!!!
>>
>
>
> Pit bulls are banned here. They cannot be bred or imported. About 6
> months ago I was at the dog park when a friend arrived with her
> daughter's dog. It was a pit bull imported from the US by the humane
> society... the same outfit that is contracted by the town to enforce
> bylaws and provincial animal regulations... like the pit bull ban.
>
>
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the €œalleged€� lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty €“ I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment €“ but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal €“ GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimers Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family €“ a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

On 11/17/2015 3:20 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 17:14:58 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2015-11-17 2:22 PM, graham wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. Halfwits rescue dogs in Mexico and the US and bring them back to
>>> Canada. FFS, I saw a program the other week where someone was bringing
>>> in some from Taiwan (or somewhere in the Far East). One stupid woman was
>>> on TV bringing in a large number of dogs from the US that had been
>>> marked for putting down. Most were pitbulls!!!!!!!
>>>
>>
>>
>> Pit bulls are banned here. They cannot be bred or imported. About 6
>> months ago I was at the dog park when a friend arrived with her
>> daughter's dog. It was a pit bull imported from the US by the humane
>> society... the same outfit that is contracted by the town to enforce
>> bylaws and provincial animal regulations... like the pit bull ban.
>
> Why are you both talking about imported pitbulls, when importing
> pitbulls isn't allowed?
>
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

On 11/17/2015 3:33 PM, graham wrote:
> On 17/11/2015 3:20 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 17:14:58 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-11-17 2:22 PM, graham wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes. Halfwits rescue dogs in Mexico and the US and bring them back to
>>>> Canada. FFS, I saw a program the other week where someone was bringing
>>>> in some from Taiwan (or somewhere in the Far East). One stupid woman
>>>> was
>>>> on TV bringing in a large number of dogs from the US that had been
>>>> marked for putting down. Most were pitbulls!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pit bulls are banned here. They cannot be bred or imported. About 6
>>> months ago I was at the dog park when a friend arrived with her
>>> daughter's dog. It was a pit bull imported from the US by the humane
>>> society... the same outfit that is contracted by the town to enforce
>>> bylaws and provincial animal regulations... like the pit bull ban.
>>
>> Why are you both talking about imported pitbulls, when importing
>> pitbulls isn't allowed?
>>
> Canada is big! Some cities have banned them, others have not.
>
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

On 11/17/2015 3:39 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 15:33:30 -0700, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 17/11/2015 3:20 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 17:14:58 -0500, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-11-17 2:22 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes. Halfwits rescue dogs in Mexico and the US and bring them back to
>>>>> Canada. FFS, I saw a program the other week where someone was bringing
>>>>> in some from Taiwan (or somewhere in the Far East). One stupid woman was
>>>>> on TV bringing in a large number of dogs from the US that had been
>>>>> marked for putting down. Most were pitbulls!!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pit bulls are banned here. They cannot be bred or imported. About 6
>>>> months ago I was at the dog park when a friend arrived with her
>>>> daughter's dog. It was a pit bull imported from the US by the humane
>>>> society... the same outfit that is contracted by the town to enforce
>>>> bylaws and provincial animal regulations... like the pit bull ban.
>>>
>>> Why are you both talking about imported pitbulls, when importing
>>> pitbulls isn't allowed?
>>>
>> Canada is big! Some cities have banned them, others have not.
>
> Oh of course, that state thing that the US and Australia have too.
>
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

On 11/17/2015 3:47 PM, playas wrote:
> wrote:
>> Well they can be, we had a woman importing dogs from California at one
>> point = we don't have enough here already?? Another time it was
>> someone who wanted to bring in about 300 basically 'feral' dogs from
>> northern Labrador.
>
> Agree 100%!

I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

On 11/17/2015 1:46 PM, hasta la basta wrote:
> On 11/16/2015 7:48 AM, wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 09:39:49 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Many of us here have rescue animals, leavings others didn't want.
>>>
>>> Mia was a rescue at age 1.5 Luckily in her case though, she wasn't
>>> neglected or abused. I got her from a nice family that just couldn't
>>> take care of her anymore (as the husband was about to deploy to
>>> Afghanistan). The wife had 3 preschool kids and didn't want the
>>> ferret too with him gone.
>>>
>>> Still sad though. You adopt an animal and they bond with you. I hate
>>> to think how they must feel when given away to some other person.
>>> How would your child feel to be given away to some other family
>>> all of the sudden just because you were tired of dealing with it?
>>
>> In my case this silly cats owner dropped dead However I would
>> criticise her at 80 buying a kitten when she could have taken an older
>> cat from the shelter.
>>
>> A woman upstairs recently grieved over losing her elderly dog and she
>> went to the shelter and took on a 9 year old dog because it was next
>> on the list for the chop. It has to be the weirdest looking dog, I'm
>> surprised it wasn't adopted for that reason. I will try and get a pic
>> of him, never seen anything like him, she said they couldn't hazard a
>> guess what his mix was. She thinks perhaps his owner died or went
>> into a home because he is totally trained and most affectionate.
>>
> I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
> the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
> Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
> Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
> not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
> who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
> This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
> of Veterans Today.
>
> In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
> clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
> the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
> CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
> the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
> hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
> helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
> family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
> ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
> office.
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the “alleged” lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty – I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment – but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal – GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimer’s Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan’ attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family – a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

On 11/17/2015 3:53 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2015-11-17 5:33 PM, graham wrote:
>> On 17/11/2015 3:20 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 17:14:58 -0500, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-11-17 2:22 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes. Halfwits rescue dogs in Mexico and the US and bring them back to
>>>>> Canada. FFS, I saw a program the other week where someone was bringing
>>>>> in some from Taiwan (or somewhere in the Far East). One stupid woman
>>>>> was
>>>>> on TV bringing in a large number of dogs from the US that had been
>>>>> marked for putting down. Most were pitbulls!!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pit bulls are banned here. They cannot be bred or imported. About 6
>>>> months ago I was at the dog park when a friend arrived with her
>>>> daughter's dog. It was a pit bull imported from the US by the humane
>>>> society... the same outfit that is contracted by the town to enforce
>>>> bylaws and provincial animal regulations... like the pit bull ban.
>>>
>>> Why are you both talking about imported pitbulls, when importing
>>> pitbulls isn't allowed?
>>>
>> Canada is big! Some cities have banned them, others have not.
>>
>
> True. Canada is big. The province of Ontario has banned pitbulls. My
> point was that the organization that has been contracted to enforce
> local and provincial bylaws has violated the same laws they are supposed
> to enforce. As I indicated, my friend said that her daughter had adopted
> a dog from the human society and it was a pit bull that had been
> imported by the society from the US.
>
I have, on at least three prior occasions, written posts that delve into
the €œalleged€� lurid past of one of our former presidents, George Herbert
Walker Bush (GHWB), the current but ailing patriarch of the Bush Family
Dynasty €“ I refer to them as the Bush Family Crime Syndicate, certainly
not in terms of endearment €“ but rather more like the Mafia Godfather
who prepares his sons to take over the family business upon his death.
This particular post references an article by Stew Webb, a contributor
of Veterans Today.

In his life-time, George H. W. Bush (GHWB) has controlled every
clandestine (hidden from view) and secret organization/operation within
the arsenal of the United States government as either 1) Director of the
CIA, 2) Vice President to Ronald Reagan (who was an unwitting puppet to
the Bush controlled cabal €“ GHWB secretly gave Reagan poisons that
hastened his fall into Alzheimers Disease and evidence suggests he
helped plan Reagan attempted assassination by John Hinckley, whose
family were close friends of the Bush family €“ a coincidence?) and 3)
ultimately as President of the United States before Bill Clinton took
office.

Bruce wrote:
>> That has been done here with great success in the area of the
>> >dockyard, there was an overpopulation there which is now much
>> >diminished - certain benefit to not killing the animals because they
>> >exist through no fault of their own.
> I like the idea, but don't you have native critters that suffer a lot
> from feral cats?

I think they send the ferals down to Sheldon to housebreak...

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 11:59:09 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

>>>
>>>I like the idea, but don't you have native critters that suffer a lot
>>>from feral cats?
>>
>>Not down at the dockyards
>
>I'm not sure what a dockyard is, but I guess they can't get out of
>there.

Dockyards are the areas of a port where naval ships (mostly) dock.
Cats were popular on ships, they often came ashore and did not return
to ships. Sailors had a tendency to bring morsels ashore for them and
they made up the rest of their diet with odd rodents. One of my
neighbours has a dockyard cat but he was taken as a small kitten so he
is perfectly docile.

Down on the waterfront there are not too many native critters although
some say the raccoons are pretty much covering town now

Janet B wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 19:10:21 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> snip
> Did you
> > know deaf ones take well to a simplified ASL? Aunti Mabel did.
> > Apparently it's pretty common.
>
> whether deaf or not, your dog should have been trained to know and
> respond to hand signals. Google hand signals for dog training.
> Janet US

Um. are you suggesting I train my blinf dog in ASL? Or the one that
lived to be 20.5 who was deaf and was trained in ASL (simplified dog
version). Or my other dog that has normal hearing should be trained in
it? (he picked up simple hand signals well as we trained the deaf one).

I'm a little confused here.

Carol

--

wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 19:28:47 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> >
> > You own no corner on rescues. Many of us have rescues. Many of us
> > older rescues or ones with medical issues, or both. Somehow you get
> > all defensive over this.
>
> I certainly didn't suggest that I do - unlike some
> >
> > You are the only one trying to advise on a condition you know
> > nothing about and then calling the method cruel because you are
> > clueless. You are probably thinking a plugin at the wall puffing
> > scent every minute or so..You also keep mixing an outdoor clean
> > path and indoor.
>
> Given that rather like a dog I am sensitive to smells (aka perfumes) I
> can't imagine how your dog feels absolutely bombarded by smell in
> every room with her much more sensitive nose.

Then yo are imputing too much due to your abnormal scent relation to a
method proven to work for blind dogs.


--

On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 19:20:02 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Janet B wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 19:10:21 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>> snip
>> Did you
>> > know deaf ones take well to a simplified ASL? Aunti Mabel did.
>> > Apparently it's pretty common.
>>
>> whether deaf or not, your dog should have been trained to know and
>> respond to hand signals. Google hand signals for dog training.
>> Janet US
>
>Um. are you suggesting I train my blinf dog in ASL? Or the one that
>lived to be 20.5 who was deaf and was trained in ASL (simplified dog
>version). Or my other dog that has normal hearing should be trained in
>it? (he picked up simple hand signals well as we trained the deaf one).
>
>I'm a little confused here.
>
> Carol

I am responding to what you wrote.
Did you
>> > know deaf ones take well to a simplified ASL? Aunti Mabel did.
>> > Apparently it's pretty common."
'Your dog' any dog of yours
(anyone's dog) should be trained to know and respond to hand signals"
Many dogs are directed by signals other than voice. I thought I would
give you a link that would be helpful. now my inclination would be to
exclude a blind dog from that regime, but if that is how you
understand it . . .
Janet US

On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 19:21:37 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:

wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 19:28:47 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > You own no corner on rescues. Many of us have rescues. Many of us
>> > older rescues or ones with medical issues, or both. Somehow you get
>> > all defensive over this.
>>
>> I certainly didn't suggest that I do - unlike some
>> >
>> > You are the only one trying to advise on a condition you know
>> > nothing about and then calling the method cruel because you are
>> > clueless. You are probably thinking a plugin at the wall puffing
>> > scent every minute or so..You also keep mixing an outdoor clean
>> > path and indoor.
>>
>> Given that rather like a dog I am sensitive to smells (aka perfumes) I
>> can't imagine how your dog feels absolutely bombarded by smell in
>> every room with her much more sensitive nose.
>
>Then yo are imputing too much due to your abnormal scent relation to a
>method proven to work for blind dogs.

Put that in English and maybe I will understand what you are saying.

If you are saying my relationship to scents is abnormal, you are very
incorrect. Many people with migraines have this reaction and also
now, due to over indulging in scented candles etc. so do many people
who do not have migraines.

On 2015-11-17 10:30 PM, Janet B wrote:
>
> I am responding to what you wrote.
> Did you
>>>> know deaf ones take well to a simplified ASL? Aunti Mabel did.
>>>> Apparently it's pretty common."
> 'Your dog' any dog of yours
> (anyone's dog) should be trained to know and respond to hand signals"
> Many dogs are directed by signals other than voice. I thought I would
> give you a link that would be helpful. now my inclination would be to
> exclude a blind dog from that regime, but if that is how you
> understand it . .

Dogs usually respond to hand signals than they do to voice commands.

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 06:59:16 -0400, wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 19:21:37 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 19:28:47 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > You own no corner on rescues. Many of us have rescues. Many of us
> >> > older rescues or ones with medical issues, or both. Somehow you get
> >> > all defensive over this.
> >>
> >> I certainly didn't suggest that I do - unlike some
> >> >
> >> > You are the only one trying to advise on a condition you know
> >> > nothing about and then calling the method cruel because you are
> >> > clueless. You are probably thinking a plugin at the wall puffing
> >> > scent every minute or so..You also keep mixing an outdoor clean
> >> > path and indoor.
> >>
> >> Given that rather like a dog I am sensitive to smells (aka perfumes) I
> >> can't imagine how your dog feels absolutely bombarded by smell in
> >> every room with her much more sensitive nose.
> >
> >Then yo are imputing too much due to your abnormal scent relation to a
> >method proven to work for blind dogs.
>
> Put that in English and maybe I will understand what you are saying.
>
> If you are saying my relationship to scents is abnormal, you are very
> incorrect. Many people with migraines have this reaction and also
> now, due to over indulging in scented candles etc. so do many people
> who do not have migraines.

A migraine reaction to scents is abnormal and you don't live at her
house. She has a blind dog to deal with and is using a proven method.

--

sf

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 08:15:10 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 06:59:16 -0400, wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 19:21:37 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>> wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 19:28:47 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > You own no corner on rescues. Many of us have rescues. Many of us
>> >> > older rescues or ones with medical issues, or both. Somehow you get
>> >> > all defensive over this.
>> >>
>> >> I certainly didn't suggest that I do - unlike some
>> >> >
>> >> > You are the only one trying to advise on a condition you know
>> >> > nothing about and then calling the method cruel because you are
>> >> > clueless. You are probably thinking a plugin at the wall puffing
>> >> > scent every minute or so..You also keep mixing an outdoor clean
>> >> > path and indoor.
>> >>
>> >> Given that rather like a dog I am sensitive to smells (aka perfumes) I
>> >> can't imagine how your dog feels absolutely bombarded by smell in
>> >> every room with her much more sensitive nose.
>> >
>> >Then yo are imputing too much due to your abnormal scent relation to a
>> >method proven to work for blind dogs.
>>
>> Put that in English and maybe I will understand what you are saying.
>>
>> If you are saying my relationship to scents is abnormal, you are very
>> incorrect. Many people with migraines have this reaction and also
>> now, due to over indulging in scented candles etc. so do many people
>> who do not have migraines.
>
>A migraine reaction to scents is abnormal and you don't live at her
>house. She has a blind dog to deal with and is using a proven method.

Once again you are blowing smoke, migraines from perfume is common and
becoming even more common as people become over perfumed. Think of
perfume as a chemical, then it becomes more obvious.

You were just saying your husband didn't like the smell of smoke in a
hotel room, how do you think that poor dog feels - it has no way to
say it gasses it to have perfume everywhere. A blind dog will be
perfectly intelligent enough to know which room it is in by the smell
of that room, with or without the perfume, so why inflict it on a
super smeller?

cshenk wrote:
> I'm a little confused here.
>
> Carol

So what else is new?

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 15:07:47 -0400, wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 08:15:10 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 06:59:16 -0400, wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 19:21:37 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >>
> >> wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >> >
> >> >> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 19:28:47 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You own no corner on rescues. Many of us have rescues. Many of us
> >> >> > older rescues or ones with medical issues, or both. Somehow you get
> >> >> > all defensive over this.
> >> >>
> >> >> I certainly didn't suggest that I do - unlike some
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You are the only one trying to advise on a condition you know
> >> >> > nothing about and then calling the method cruel because you are
> >> >> > clueless. You are probably thinking a plugin at the wall puffing
> >> >> > scent every minute or so..You also keep mixing an outdoor clean
> >> >> > path and indoor.
> >> >>
> >> >> Given that rather like a dog I am sensitive to smells (aka perfumes) I
> >> >> can't imagine how your dog feels absolutely bombarded by smell in
> >> >> every room with her much more sensitive nose.
> >> >
> >> >Then yo are imputing too much due to your abnormal scent relation to a
> >> >method proven to work for blind dogs.
> >>
> >> Put that in English and maybe I will understand what you are saying.
> >>
> >> If you are saying my relationship to scents is abnormal, you are very
> >> incorrect. Many people with migraines have this reaction and also
> >> now, due to over indulging in scented candles etc. so do many people
> >> who do not have migraines.
> >
> >A migraine reaction to scents is abnormal and you don't live at her
> >house. She has a blind dog to deal with and is using a proven method.
>
> Once again you are blowing smoke, migraines from perfume is common and
> becoming even more common as people become over perfumed. Think of
> perfume as a chemical, then it becomes more obvious.
>
> You were just saying your husband didn't like the smell of smoke in a
> hotel room, how do you think that poor dog feels - it has no way to
> say it gasses it to have perfume everywhere. A blind dog will be
> perfectly intelligent enough to know which room it is in by the smell
> of that room, with or without the perfume, so why inflict it on a
> super smeller?

Again, you're personalizing it.

--

sf

wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 19:21:37 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 19:28:47 -0600, "cshenk" >
> wrote: >>
> >> >
> >> > You own no corner on rescues. Many of us have rescues. Many of
> us >> > older rescues or ones with medical issues, or both. Somehow
> you get >> > all defensive over this.
> >>
> >> I certainly didn't suggest that I do - unlike some
> >> >
> >> > You are the only one trying to advise on a condition you know
> >> > nothing about and then calling the method cruel because you are
> >> > clueless. You are probably thinking a plugin at the wall puffing
> >> > scent every minute or so..You also keep mixing an outdoor clean
> >> > path and indoor.
> >>
> >> Given that rather like a dog I am sensitive to smells (aka
> perfumes) I >> can't imagine how your dog feels absolutely bombarded
> by smell in >> every room with her much more sensitive nose.
> >
> > Then yo are imputing too much due to your abnormal scent relation
> > to a method proven to work for blind dogs.
>
> Put that in English and maybe I will understand what you are saying.
>
> If you are saying my relationship to scents is abnormal, you are very
> incorrect. Many people with migraines have this reaction and also
> now, due to over indulging in scented candles etc. so do many people
> who do not have migraines.

You are abnormally sensitive to scents. You get migranes for christs
sense over a little perfume! Please do not pretend this is 'normal'
because it isn't at all for the average person.

You then carried this difficulty (totally your own thing) over to your
own assessment of how to help orient a blind dog and how 'I was doing
it wrong' in your own view, because you have abnormal scent reaction
and migranes.

Seriously, give up on this one. My dog isnt getting anything more
concentrated than she would on a walk in a flower garden. If you think
she'd be happier hermetically sealed in a ball with no scents, then we
will have to agree to disagree.

Carol

--

sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 06:59:16 -0400, wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 19:21:37 -0600, "cshenk" >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > >
> > >> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 19:28:47 -0600, "cshenk" >
> > wrote: >>
> > >> >
> > >> > You own no corner on rescues. Many of us have rescues. Many
> > of us >> > older rescues or ones with medical issues, or both.
> > Somehow you get >> > all defensive over this.
> > >>
> > >> I certainly didn't suggest that I do - unlike some
> > >> >
> > >> > You are the only one trying to advise on a condition you know
> > >> > nothing about and then calling the method cruel because you are
> > >> > clueless. You are probably thinking a plugin at the wall
> > puffing >> > scent every minute or so..You also keep mixing an
> > outdoor clean >> > path and indoor.
> > >>
> > >> Given that rather like a dog I am sensitive to smells (aka
> > perfumes) I >> can't imagine how your dog feels absolutely
> > bombarded by smell in >> every room with her much more sensitive
> > nose.
> > >
> > > Then yo are imputing too much due to your abnormal scent relation
> > > to a method proven to work for blind dogs.
> >
> > Put that in English and maybe I will understand what you are saying.
> >
> > If you are saying my relationship to scents is abnormal, you are
> > very incorrect. Many people with migraines have this reaction and
> > also now, due to over indulging in scented candles etc. so do many
> > people who do not have migraines.
>
> A migraine reaction to scents is abnormal and you don't live at her
> house. She has a blind dog to deal with and is using a proven method.

According reputable (actual Doctor web pages), Migranes are seldom
triggered by scent that I can find. It does happen, it's just not a
main trigger. That said if you google the wrong way 'migrane scent
triggers' all the kooks just out.

Only Lucrezia can explain why her scent apparently related migrane (low
commonality) relates to mis treating my blind dog by using orientation
low level scenting.

Carol

--

wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 08:15:10 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 06:59:16 -0400, wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 19:21:37 -0600, "cshenk" >
> wrote: >>
> >> wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >> >
> >> >> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 19:28:47 -0600, "cshenk" >
> wrote: >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You own no corner on rescues. Many of us have rescues. Many
> of us >> >> > older rescues or ones with medical issues, or both.
> Somehow you get >> >> > all defensive over this.
> >> >>
> >> >> I certainly didn't suggest that I do - unlike some
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You are the only one trying to advise on a condition you know
> >> >> > nothing about and then calling the method cruel because you
> are >> >> > clueless. You are probably thinking a plugin at the wall
> puffing >> >> > scent every minute or so..You also keep mixing an
> outdoor clean >> >> > path and indoor.
> >> >>
> >> >> Given that rather like a dog I am sensitive to smells (aka
> perfumes) I >> >> can't imagine how your dog feels absolutely
> bombarded by smell in >> >> every room with her much more sensitive
> nose. >> >
> >> >Then yo are imputing too much due to your abnormal scent relation
> to a >> >method proven to work for blind dogs.
> >>
> >> Put that in English and maybe I will understand what you are
> saying. >>
> >> If you are saying my relationship to scents is abnormal, you are
> very >> incorrect. Many people with migraines have this reaction and
> also >> now, due to over indulging in scented candles etc. so do many
> people >> who do not have migraines.
> >
> > A migraine reaction to scents is abnormal and you don't live at her
> > house. She has a blind dog to deal with and is using a proven
> > method.
>
> Once again you are blowing smoke, migraines from perfume is common and
> becoming even more common as people become over perfumed. Think of
> perfume as a chemical, then it becomes more obvious.
>
> You were just saying your husband didn't like the smell of smoke in a
> hotel room, how do you think that poor dog feels - it has no way to
> say it gasses it to have perfume everywhere. A blind dog will be
> perfectly intelligent enough to know which room it is in by the smell
> of that room, with or without the perfume, so why inflict it on a
> super smeller?

What the hell is in your head? Can yuou not see that *YOU* have a
perfume issue and are then pushing it utside into other simple uses
that are not at all related and pretending it's more than it is?

I already said Iowna is older. Her smeller is better than ours but
shes fine with a cracked open cone type (not spray, not a plug in).

Lwts translate this since you need simple S L O W words. I am using
the same as an unlit scented candle per room, but can tell easier when
to replace it.

Does that simple concept fit in? I am not aware of how to make it
simpler for you if your brain is not able to understand it.

Carol

--

sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 15:07:47 -0400, wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 08:15:10 -0800, sf > wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 06:59:16 -0400, wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 19:21:37 -0600, "cshenk" >
> > wrote: >>
> > >> wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > >> >
> > >> >> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 19:28:47 -0600, "cshenk"
> > > wrote: >> >>
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > You own no corner on rescues. Many of us have rescues.
> > Many of us >> >> > older rescues or ones with medical issues, or
> > both. Somehow you get >> >> > all defensive over this.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I certainly didn't suggest that I do - unlike some
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > You are the only one trying to advise on a condition you
> > know >> >> > nothing about and then calling the method cruel
> > because you are >> >> > clueless. You are probably thinking a
> > plugin at the wall puffing >> >> > scent every minute or so..You
> > also keep mixing an outdoor clean >> >> > path and indoor.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Given that rather like a dog I am sensitive to smells (aka
> > perfumes) I >> >> can't imagine how your dog feels absolutely
> > bombarded by smell in >> >> every room with her much more sensitive
> > nose. >> >
> > >> >Then yo are imputing too much due to your abnormal scent
> > relation to a >> >method proven to work for blind dogs.
> > >>
> > >> Put that in English and maybe I will understand what you are
> > saying. >>
> > >> If you are saying my relationship to scents is abnormal, you are
> > very >> incorrect. Many people with migraines have this reaction
> > and also >> now, due to over indulging in scented candles etc. so
> > do many people >> who do not have migraines.
> > >
> > > A migraine reaction to scents is abnormal and you don't live at
> > > her house. She has a blind dog to deal with and is using a
> > > proven method.
> >
> > Once again you are blowing smoke, migraines from perfume is common
> > and becoming even more common as people become over perfumed.
> > Think of perfume as a chemical, then it becomes more obvious.
> >
> > You were just saying your husband didn't like the smell of smoke in
> > a hotel room, how do you think that poor dog feels - it has no way
> > to say it gasses it to have perfume everywhere. A blind dog will be
> > perfectly intelligent enough to know which room it is in by the
> > smell of that room, with or without the perfume, so why inflict it
> > on a super smeller?
>
> Again, you're personalizing it.

Yup. It's called inward thinking. Everything has to fit into what
they inwardedly need and if it doesnt fit, it's bad stuff.

--

Janet B wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 19:20:02 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > Janet B wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 19:10:21 -0600, "cshenk" >
> wrote: >>
> >> snip
> >> Did you
> >> > know deaf ones take well to a simplified ASL? Aunti Mabel did.
> >> > Apparently it's pretty common.
> >>
> >> whether deaf or not, your dog should have been trained to know and
> >> respond to hand signals. Google hand signals for dog training.
> >> Janet US
> >
> > Um. are you suggesting I train my blinf dog in ASL? Or the one that
> > lived to be 20.5 who was deaf and was trained in ASL (simplified dog
> > version). Or my other dog that has normal hearing should be
> > trained in it? (he picked up simple hand signals well as we
> > trained the deaf one).
> >
> > I'm a little confused here.
> >
> > Carol
>
> I am responding to what you wrote.
> Did you
> >> > know deaf ones take well to a simplified ASL? Aunti Mabel did.
> >> > Apparently it's pretty common."
> 'Your dog' any dog of yours
> (anyone's dog) should be trained to know and respond to hand signals"
> Many dogs are directed by signals other than voice. I thought I would
> give you a link that would be helpful. now my inclination would be to
> exclude a blind dog from that regime, but if that is how you
> understand it . . .
> Janet US

Ok, well we can skip the ASL with the blind ones ;-) Just like you can
skip clicker training with deaf ones.

My sighted dog still follows ASL (simplified dog version) pretty well.
The cat is, well, a cat, and sometimes will do as asked in ASL.

--

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 17:48:20 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:


>
>You are abnormally sensitive to scents. You get migranes for christs
>sense over a little perfume! Please do not pretend this is 'normal'
>because it isn't at all for the average person.

Another post requiring translation. I am not abnormal - people who
suffer from migraines frequently have cheese, red wine, or perfume as
a trigger. Migraine sufferers are quite a large percentage of the
population.
>
>You then carried this difficulty (totally your own thing) over to your
>own assessment of how to help orient a blind dog and how 'I was doing
>it wrong' in your own view, because you have abnormal scent reaction
>and migranes.

No, I am saying that putting perfumed candles over your house to let a
blind dog with a nose for smells about a thousand times more receptive
than yours, is laughable, or cruel, depending how you look at it. Ask
yourself, why is the preferred method of checking luggage, sniffer
dogs??? So transfer that into how those candles must stink to her.
>
>Seriously, give up on this one. My dog isnt getting anything more
>concentrated than she would on a walk in a flower garden. If you think
>she'd be happier hermetically sealed in a ball with no scents, then we
>will have to agree to disagree.
>
> Carol

It is not equivalent to a walk in a flower garden at all!! Flowers
have natural scents, I can even be around hyacinths without reaction.
Artificial 'perfumes' aka stinks are made from chemicals and it is the
chemicals that you smell that trigger my migraines and must be
agonising to your dog.

I think perhaps since you are 'vaping' peaches and limes you are smell
impaired so to speak and have no concept of what you do to the dog who
can't escape.

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 17:54:37 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:

>sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 06:59:16 -0400, wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 19:21:37 -0600, "cshenk" >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> > >
>> > >> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 19:28:47 -0600, "cshenk" >
>> > wrote: >>
>> > >> >
>> > >> > You own no corner on rescues. Many of us have rescues. Many
>> > of us >> > older rescues or ones with medical issues, or both.
>> > Somehow you get >> > all defensive over this.
>> > >>
>> > >> I certainly didn't suggest that I do - unlike some
>> > >> >
>> > >> > You are the only one trying to advise on a condition you know
>> > >> > nothing about and then calling the method cruel because you are
>> > >> > clueless. You are probably thinking a plugin at the wall
>> > puffing >> > scent every minute or so..You also keep mixing an
>> > outdoor clean >> > path and indoor.
>> > >>
>> > >> Given that rather like a dog I am sensitive to smells (aka
>> > perfumes) I >> can't imagine how your dog feels absolutely
>> > bombarded by smell in >> every room with her much more sensitive
>> > nose.
>> > >
>> > > Then yo are imputing too much due to your abnormal scent relation
>> > > to a method proven to work for blind dogs.
>> >
>> > Put that in English and maybe I will understand what you are saying.
>> >
>> > If you are saying my relationship to scents is abnormal, you are
>> > very incorrect. Many people with migraines have this reaction and
>> > also now, due to over indulging in scented candles etc. so do many
>> > people who do not have migraines.
>>
>> A migraine reaction to scents is abnormal and you don't live at her
>> house. She has a blind dog to deal with and is using a proven method.
>
>According reputable (actual Doctor web pages), Migranes are seldom
>triggered by scent that I can find. It does happen, it's just not a
>main trigger. That said if you google the wrong way 'migrane scent
>triggers' all the kooks just out.
>
>Only Lucrezia can explain why her scent apparently related migrane (low
>commonality) relates to mis treating my blind dog by using orientation
>low level scenting.
>
> Carol

Wrong all over again. I don't go near google doctoring, that's a
fools effort. My knowledge of migraines comes from being a long time
member of the Migraine Association both in the UK and Canada, I am
sure there must be one in the USA as well. I also have been studied
to death by a neurologist and various teams so Miss Know Nothing,
don't try telling me - the top three triggers for migraine are cheese,
red wine and perfume.

Can I say again, to YOUR DOG what you consider 'low level' scents
(since you are cigarette and e cig impaired) and to myself those damn
candles are a sin against humanity.

However, it really does not matter to me but just don't keep boasting
about how wonderful you are to this poor, blind dog. That's all I
have to say on the subject, you don't know what you are gabbling
about.

On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 11:35:17 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

>On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 20:23:43 -0400, wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 17:54:37 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>>>sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 06:59:16 -0400, wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Put that in English and maybe I will understand what you are saying.
>>>> >
>>>> > If you are saying my relationship to scents is abnormal, you are
>>>> > very incorrect. Many people with migraines have this reaction and
>>>> > also now, due to over indulging in scented candles etc. so do many
>>>> > people who do not have migraines.
>>>>
>>>> A migraine reaction to scents is abnormal and you don't live at her
>>>> house. She has a blind dog to deal with and is using a proven method.
>>>
>>>According reputable (actual Doctor web pages), Migranes are seldom
>>>triggered by scent that I can find. It does happen, it's just not a
>>>main trigger. That said if you google the wrong way 'migrane scent
>>>triggers' all the kooks just out.
>>>
>>>Only Lucrezia can explain why her scent apparently related migrane (low
>>>commonality) relates to mis treating my blind dog by using orientation
>>>low level scenting.
>>
>>Wrong all over again. I don't go near google doctoring, that's a
>>fools effort. My knowledge of migraines comes from being a long time
>>member of the Migraine Association both in the UK and Canada, I am
>>sure there must be one in the USA as well. I also have been studied
>>to death by a neurologist and various teams so Miss Know Nothing,
>>don't try telling me - the top three triggers for migraine are cheese,
>>red wine and perfume.
>
>The worst migraine sufferer I know, was stress related.

Yes, that also can factor in.
>
>>Can I say again, to YOUR DOG what you consider 'low level' scents
>>(since you are cigarette and e cig impaired) and to myself those damn
>>candles are a sin against humanity.
>>
>>However, it really does not matter to me
>
>You could have fooled me!

Always found cruelty to animals hard to take.

wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 17:48:20 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>
> >
> > You are abnormally sensitive to scents. You get migranes for
> > christs sense over a little perfume! Please do not pretend this is
> > 'normal' because it isn't at all for the average person.
>
> Another post requiring translation. I am not abnormal - people who
> suffer from migraines frequently have cheese, red wine, or perfume as
> a trigger. Migraine sufferers are quite a large percentage of the
> population.
> >
> > You then carried this difficulty (totally your own thing) over to
> > your own assessment of how to help orient a blind dog and how 'I
> > was doing it wrong' in your own view, because you have abnormal
> > scent reaction and migranes.
>
> No, I am saying that putting perfumed candles over your house to let a
> blind dog with a nose for smells about a thousand times more receptive
> than yours, is laughable, or cruel, depending how you look at it. Ask
> yourself, why is the preferred method of checking luggage, sniffer
> dogs??? So transfer that into how those candles must stink to her.
> >
> > Seriously, give up on this one. My dog isnt getting anything more
> > concentrated than she would on a walk in a flower garden. If you
> > think she'd be happier hermetically sealed in a ball with no
> > scents, then we will have to agree to disagree.
> >
> > Carol
>
> It is not equivalent to a walk in a flower garden at all!! Flowers
> have natural scents, I can even be around hyacinths without reaction.
> Artificial 'perfumes' aka stinks are made from chemicals and it is the
> chemicals that you smell that trigger my migraines and must be
> agonising to your dog.
>
> I think perhaps since you are 'vaping' peaches and limes you are smell
> impaired so to speak and have no concept of what you do to the dog who
> can't escape.

You have deep 'issues' and there is no point to even try to explain
them. The others understand it. You are imputing your own abnomral
situation onto my dog and relating it to me as if I am mistreating my
dog.

That is exceptionally rude and uncalled for. Yo know NOTHING about
this. You only know you seem to have an abnormal reaction to perfumes
and *assume* I am abusing my dog because of your PERSONAL issues.

If you have not caught on yet that you are looking very stupid, here's
your cluebat!
Carol

--

wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 17:54:37 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 06:59:16 -0400, wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 19:21:37 -0600, "cshenk" >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >> > >
> >> > >> On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 19:28:47 -0600, "cshenk" >
> >> > wrote: >>
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > You own no corner on rescues. Many of us have rescues. Many
> >> > of us >> > older rescues or ones with medical issues, or both.
> >> > Somehow you get >> > all defensive over this.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I certainly didn't suggest that I do - unlike some
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > You are the only one trying to advise on a condition you
> know >> > >> > nothing about and then calling the method cruel
> because you are >> > >> > clueless. You are probably thinking a
> plugin at the wall >> > puffing >> > scent every minute or so..You
> also keep mixing an >> > outdoor clean >> > path and indoor.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Given that rather like a dog I am sensitive to smells (aka
> >> > perfumes) I >> can't imagine how your dog feels absolutely
> >> > bombarded by smell in >> every room with her much more sensitive
> >> > nose.
> >> > >
> >> > > Then yo are imputing too much due to your abnormal scent
> relation >> > > to a method proven to work for blind dogs.
> >> >
> >> > Put that in English and maybe I will understand what you are
> saying. >> >
> >> > If you are saying my relationship to scents is abnormal, you are
> >> > very incorrect. Many people with migraines have this reaction
> and >> > also now, due to over indulging in scented candles etc. so
> do many >> > people who do not have migraines.
> >>
> >> A migraine reaction to scents is abnormal and you don't live at her
> >> house. She has a blind dog to deal with and is using a proven
> method.
> >
> > According reputable (actual Doctor web pages), Migranes are seldom
> > triggered by scent that I can find. It does happen, it's just not a
> > main trigger. That said if you google the wrong way 'migrane scent
> > triggers' all the kooks just out.
> >
> > Only Lucrezia can explain why her scent apparently related migrane
> > (low commonality) relates to mis treating my blind dog by using
> > orientation low level scenting.
> >
> > Carol
>
> Wrong all over again. I don't go near google doctoring, that's a
> fools effort. My knowledge of migraines comes from being a long time
> member of the Migraine Association both in the UK and Canada, I am
> sure there must be one in the USA as well. I also have been studied
> to death by a neurologist and various teams so Miss Know Nothing,
> don't try telling me - the top three triggers for migraine are cheese,
> red wine and perfume.
>
> Can I say again, to YOUR DOG what you consider 'low level' scents
> (since you are cigarette and e cig impaired) and to myself those damn
> candles are a sin against humanity.
>
> However, it really does not matter to me but just don't keep boasting
> about how wonderful you are to this poor, blind dog. That's all I
> have to say on the subject, you don't know what you are gabbling
> about.

Again, stop translating your own PERSONAL medical oddity onto my dog.
My dog is not affected by your desire to be 'perfrume free'. GOT IT
YET?



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Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 20:23:43 -0400, wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 17:54:37 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >
> > > sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > >
> >>> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 06:59:16 -0400, wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Put that in English and maybe I will understand what you are
> saying. >>> >
> >>> > If you are saying my relationship to scents is abnormal, you are
> >>> > very incorrect. Many people with migraines have this reaction
> and >>> > also now, due to over indulging in scented candles etc. so
> do many >>> > people who do not have migraines.
> >>>
> >>> A migraine reaction to scents is abnormal and you don't live at
> her >>> house. She has a blind dog to deal with and is using a
> proven method.
> > >
> > > According reputable (actual Doctor web pages), Migranes are seldom
> > > triggered by scent that I can find. It does happen, it's just
> > > not a main trigger. That said if you google the wrong way
> > > 'migrane scent triggers' all the kooks just out.
> > >
> > > Only Lucrezia can explain why her scent apparently related
> > > migrane (low commonality) relates to mis treating my blind dog by
> > > using orientation low level scenting.
> >
> > Wrong all over again. I don't go near google doctoring, that's a
> > fools effort. My knowledge of migraines comes from being a long
> > time member of the Migraine Association both in the UK and Canada,
> > I am sure there must be one in the USA as well. I also have been
> > studied to death by a neurologist and various teams so Miss Know
> > Nothing, don't try telling me - the top three triggers for migraine
> > are cheese, red wine and perfume.
>
> The worst migraine sufferer I know, was stress related.

Same here. Another had a medical condition that caused them.
>
> > Can I say again, to YOUR DOG what you consider 'low level' scents
> > (since you are cigarette and e cig impaired) and to myself those
> > damn candles are a sin against humanity.
> >
> > However, it really does not matter to me
>
> You could have fooled me!

Fools us all. She keeps acting like I am torturing my dog instead of
mentioning a well known assist for blind dogs (it's a low level
scenting).

There are 2 main types. Orientation ('where am I') and aviodance
('that smell means slow down, something hard and maybe poky before
me'). Both are a natural outgrowth of how dogs react to their
environment in the wild and related to trailing instincts.



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wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Thu, 19 Nov 2015 11:35:17 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 20:23:43 -0400, wrote:
> >
> >>On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 17:54:37 -0600, "cshenk" >
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > sf wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > >
> >>>> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 06:59:16 -0400, wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > Put that in English and maybe I will understand what you are
> saying. >>>> >
> >>>> > If you are saying my relationship to scents is abnormal, you
> are >>>> > very incorrect. Many people with migraines have this
> reaction and >>>> > also now, due to over indulging in scented
> candles etc. so do many >>>> > people who do not have migraines.
> >>>>
> >>>> A migraine reaction to scents is abnormal and you don't live at
> her >>>> house. She has a blind dog to deal with and is using a
> proven method.
> > > >
> > > > According reputable (actual Doctor web pages), Migranes are
> > > > seldom triggered by scent that I can find. It does happen,
> > > > it's just not a main trigger. That said if you google the
> > > > wrong way 'migrane scent triggers' all the kooks just out.
> > > >
> > > > Only Lucrezia can explain why her scent apparently related
> > > > migrane (low commonality) relates to mis treating my blind dog
> > > > by using orientation low level scenting.
> > >
> > > Wrong all over again. I don't go near google doctoring, that's a
> > > fools effort. My knowledge of migraines comes from being a long
> > > time member of the Migraine Association both in the UK and
> > > Canada, I am sure there must be one in the USA as well. I also
> > > have been studied to death by a neurologist and various teams so
> > > Miss Know Nothing, don't try telling me - the top three triggers
> > > for migraine are cheese, red wine and perfume.
> >
> > The worst migraine sufferer I know, was stress related.
>
> Yes, that also can factor in.
> >
> > > Can I say again, to YOUR DOG what you consider 'low level' scents
> > > (since you are cigarette and e cig impaired) and to myself those
> > > damn candles are a sin against humanity.
> > >
> > > However, it really does not matter to me
> >
> > You could have fooled me!
>
> Always found cruelty to animals hard to take.

Now you accuse me of cruelty to animals!

Seriously, you need to take a step back and a hard look at what is
happening. You are WAY over sensitive to your own personal situation
with perfume and carrying it over to animal cruelty now when scents are
used to help orient a blind dog. I assume you'd prefer she simpley
stand there lost in a fog after she wakens from a nap and wander about
for however long it takes to get to the water bowl.

I prefer she finds it fine on her own with 2 sniffs and off she goes.
If you feel that is 'cruel' than I am cruel. It works fine for us here,
regardless of any migranes *you* might get if you came in my home with
it's basic cone type scents.



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"cshenk" > wrote in message
...

> I prefer she finds it fine on her own with 2 sniffs and off she goes.
> If you feel that is 'cruel' than I am cruel. It works fine for us here,
> regardless of any migranes *you* might get if you came in my home with
> it's basic cone type scents.

The best thing you can do is to carry on with what you do in your house that
works for you and your animals, and don't invite Lucretia over. ;-)

Cheri

Cheri wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > I prefer she finds it fine on her own with 2 sniffs and off she
> > goes. If you feel that is 'cruel' than I am cruel. It works fine
> > for us here, regardless of any migranes you might get if you came
> > in my home with it's basic cone type scents.
>
> The best thing you can do is to carry on with what you do in your
> house that works for you and your animals, and don't invite Lucretia
> over. ;-)
>
> Cheri

Grin, don't worry, I shall.



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