Our trip to California was great, but we had a really bad start. We had
no problems getting over the border to Buffalo or getting our first set
of boarding passes. The deal was to fly Buffalo to Newark and then
Newark to Orange County. Our plane was late arriving. There was an
announcement that we should come to the counter because we weren't going
to make our connection. They decided to send us on to Newark, then
Newark to Chicago and then to Orange County.

When our plane finally arrived it unloaded, loaded up and taxied out the
the runway and sat there for a long time before taking off. Then when we
got to Newark we sat on the tarmac for about 20 minutes while they
waited for a gate agent so we could disembark.

We ended up missing the Chicago flight. We had to wait 5 1/2 hours for
a direct flight to Orange Country. When that flight boarded and taxied
out we got stuck in a queue for take off and the pilot had to remind
air traffic control about the 10:30 curfew at Orange Country so they let
us go ahead. Instead of arriving at 4 pm we landed just before 10:30
pm. We were supposed to have gone out for supper with my brother and his
wife and some of their friends that night but we ended up not getting to
the hotel until almost midnight.

On Thursday, September 17, 2015 at 11:22:42 AM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:
> Our trip to California was great, but we had a really bad start. We had
> no problems getting over the border to Buffalo or getting our first set
> of boarding passes. The deal was to fly Buffalo to Newark and then
> Newark to Orange County. Our plane was late arriving. There was an
> announcement that we should come to the counter because we weren't going
> to make our connection. They decided to send us on to Newark, then
> Newark to Chicago and then to Orange County.
>
> When our plane finally arrived it unloaded, loaded up and taxied out the
> the runway and sat there for a long time before taking off. Then when we
> got to Newark we sat on the tarmac for about 20 minutes while they
> waited for a gate agent so we could disembark.
>
> We ended up missing the Chicago flight. We had to wait 5 1/2 hours for
> a direct flight to Orange Country. When that flight boarded and taxied
> out we got stuck in a queue for take off and the pilot had to remind
> air traffic control about the 10:30 curfew at Orange Country so they let
> us go ahead. Instead of arriving at 4 pm we landed just before 10:30
> pm. We were supposed to have gone out for supper with my brother and his
> wife and some of their friends that night but we ended up not getting to
> the hotel until almost midnight.

I would be demanding money back or a free ticket.

On 17/09/2015 12:22 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> Our trip to California was great, but we had a really bad start. We had
> no problems getting over the border to Buffalo or getting our first set
> of boarding passes. The deal was to fly Buffalo to Newark and then
> Newark to Orange County. Our plane was late arriving. There was an
> announcement that we should come to the counter because we weren't going
> to make our connection. They decided to send us on to Newark, then
> Newark to Chicago and then to Orange County.
>
> When our plane finally arrived it unloaded, loaded up and taxied out the
> the runway and sat there for a long time before taking off. Then when we
> got to Newark we sat on the tarmac for about 20 minutes while they
> waited for a gate agent so we could disembark.
>
> We ended up missing the Chicago flight. We had to wait 5 1/2 hours for
> a direct flight to Orange Country. When that flight boarded and taxied
> out we got stuck in a queue for take off and the pilot had to remind air
> traffic control about the 10:30 curfew at Orange Country so they let us
> go ahead. Instead of arriving at 4 pm we landed just before 10:30 pm.
> We were supposed to have gone out for supper with my brother and his
> wife and some of their friends that night but we ended up not getting to
> the hotel until almost midnight.
>
>
Direct flights from Toronto?
Yer pays yer money and yer takes yer choice!
Graham

On Thursday, September 17, 2015 at 2:35:34 PM UTC-4, ImStillMags wrote:
> On Thursday, September 17, 2015 at 11:22:42 AM UTC-7, Dave Smith wrote:
> > Our trip to California was great, but we had a really bad start. We had
> > no problems getting over the border to Buffalo or getting our first set
> > of boarding passes. The deal was to fly Buffalo to Newark and then
> > Newark to Orange County. Our plane was late arriving. There was an
> > announcement that we should come to the counter because we weren't going
> > to make our connection. They decided to send us on to Newark, then
> > Newark to Chicago and then to Orange County.
> >
> > When our plane finally arrived it unloaded, loaded up and taxied out the
> > the runway and sat there for a long time before taking off. Then when we
> > got to Newark we sat on the tarmac for about 20 minutes while they
> > waited for a gate agent so we could disembark.
> >
> > We ended up missing the Chicago flight. We had to wait 5 1/2 hours for
> > a direct flight to Orange Country. When that flight boarded and taxied
> > out we got stuck in a queue for take off and the pilot had to remind
> > air traffic control about the 10:30 curfew at Orange Country so they let
> > us go ahead. Instead of arriving at 4 pm we landed just before 10:30
> > pm. We were supposed to have gone out for supper with my brother and his
> > wife and some of their friends that night but we ended up not getting to
> > the hotel until almost midnight.
>
> I would be demanding money back or a free ticket.

I bet there's some fine print somewhere in the ticket purchase
where the airline says "We don't promise to do jack for you, and
by buying this ticket you're waiving your right to demand so
much as a packet of peanuts. Suck it, or take the bus."

You know, something like those software terms and conditions that
everybody clicks through.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2015-09-17, Dave Smith > wrote:
> Our plane was late arriving.

That was yer first mistake. Shoulda taken the train.

nb

On 2015-09-17 2:35 PM, ImStillMags wrote:

>> We ended up missing the Chicago flight. We had to wait 5 1/2 hours for
>> a direct flight to Orange Country. When that flight boarded and taxied
>> out we got stuck in a queue for take off and the pilot had to remind
>> air traffic control about the 10:30 curfew at Orange Country so they let
>> us go ahead. Instead of arriving at 4 pm we landed just before 10:30
>> pm. We were supposed to have gone out for supper with my brother and his
>> wife and some of their friends that night but we ended up not getting to
>> the hotel until almost midnight.
>
> I would be demanding money back or a free ticket.
>

It could have been worse. When we were checking it at San Francisco the
other day the lady behind us was trying to get back to Orange County.
Her flight had been cancelled the previous day, and they wouldn't do
anything for her.

On 2015-09-17, Dave Smith > wrote:

> Her flight had been cancelled the previous day, and they wouldn't do
> anything for her.

Which is why I damned near prefer to hitchhike, rather than fly.

I'm not afraid of flying. It's jes the airlines will bend you over in
a heartbeat and jes keep yer $$$$ w/o a second thought. I've only flown
commercially about 3 times and on two of those three flights, I got
severely hosed. As Poe would say, "Nevermore".

nb

On 2015-09-17 2:45 PM, graham wrote:

>> We ended up missing the Chicago flight. We had to wait 5 1/2 hours for
>> a direct flight to Orange Country. When that flight boarded and taxied
>> out we got stuck in a queue for take off and the pilot had to remind air
>> traffic control about the 10:30 curfew at Orange Country so they let us
>> go ahead. Instead of arriving at 4 pm we landed just before 10:30 pm.
>> We were supposed to have gone out for supper with my brother and his
>> wife and some of their friends that night but we ended up not getting to
>> the hotel until almost midnight.
>>
>>
> Direct flights from Toronto?
> Yer pays yer money and yer takes yer choice!
Some of the people who were at the wedding flew direct from Toronto to
LA and paid a heck of a lot more than we did. Then they had to make
their way back and forth between Newport Beach to LA, about an hour
away. It is generally much cheaper to fly between US cities than to fly
from Canada, and Buffalo airport is a lot closer for us. It takes about
50 minutes from house house to the Buffalo airport. Toronto is at least
double that when the traffic is moving, which seems to be never in
Toronto these days. It also means having to arrive only an hour ahead
for a domestic flight rather than the three hours early for an
international flight.

I was worried about my son making his flights. He had insisted on
dropping us off and picking us up, which was nice, but we were not
scheduled to reach Buffalo until midnight and he had to be back at
Buffalo by noon the next day to fly to Moscow, flying first to Atlanta,
then to Paris and on to Moscow. He had only a half hour between his
Paris ETA and his Moscow departure. He barely made it.

On 2015-09-17 3:22 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2015-09-17, Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> Her flight had been cancelled the previous day, and they wouldn't do
>> anything for her.
>
> Which is why I damned near prefer to hitchhike, rather than fly.
>
> I'm not afraid of flying. It's jes the airlines will bend you over in
> a heartbeat and jes keep yer $$$$ w/o a second thought. I've only flown
> commercially about 3 times and on two of those three flights, I got
> severely hosed. As Poe would say, "Nevermore".

They sure are cutting corners to reduce those ticket prices. You used
to be able to take two bags. Now they charge $25 for the first bag and
$35 for a second one.....each way. They hand out complimentary head
sets but you have to pay about $5 to get the programs for two hours, or
$8 for more than 2 hours. There is complimentary wifi, but all you get
is one page that shows the flight information and a map of where you
are. There are free soft drinks, but you have to buy food, and it is
expensive.

On Thursday, September 17, 2015 at 8:22:42 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> Our trip to California was great, but we had a really bad start. We had
> no problems getting over the border to Buffalo or getting our first set
> of boarding passes. The deal was to fly Buffalo to Newark and then
> Newark to Orange County. Our plane was late arriving. There was an
> announcement that we should come to the counter because we weren't going
> to make our connection. They decided to send us on to Newark, then
> Newark to Chicago and then to Orange County.
>
> When our plane finally arrived it unloaded, loaded up and taxied out the
> the runway and sat there for a long time before taking off. Then when we
> got to Newark we sat on the tarmac for about 20 minutes while they
> waited for a gate agent so we could disembark.
>
> We ended up missing the Chicago flight. We had to wait 5 1/2 hours for
> a direct flight to Orange Country. When that flight boarded and taxied
> out we got stuck in a queue for take off and the pilot had to remind
> air traffic control about the 10:30 curfew at Orange Country so they let
> us go ahead. Instead of arriving at 4 pm we landed just before 10:30
> pm. We were supposed to have gone out for supper with my brother and his
> wife and some of their friends that night but we ended up not getting to
> the hotel until almost midnight.

Boy, that sounds like a real drag. I have to cross the ocean in a big tin can going hundreds of miles an hour and several miles high soon. Hopefully, it will be uneventful and uncomplicated i.e., we won't explode in a huge ball of flame and crash into the raging surf below.

Sqwertz wrote:
> It's all those damned American's faults! Or... maybe we did it on
> purpose.
>
> -sw
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For the record, I never once even considered sleeping with you. And
you know that. You're the one who somehow got the idea that I was
going to move in with you - and you posted that to RFC just out of the
total blue.

After having met you twice at casual austin.food gatherings 2 or 3
years ago and not giving you any indication that there was any sort of
romantic interest in the least, you somehow twisted that into MY
MOVING IN WITH YOU?

That was just way too Psycho for me. I sat there at stared at the
screen for at least 15 minutes wondering, WTF? That was just way too
spooky. I've met weird, semi-psycho women before but you win, hands
down. Mapi of austin.general still holds the male title, but at least
he announced his psychosis right there lying on the floor of the bar
at B.D. Reilly's rather than romantically obsessing over me for 2
years.

Needless to say, you need to come to terms with what happened and why
your mind works that way and stop making up excuses for your fixation
and disappointment before we become the next Yoli and Michael. I'd
prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

And Jeremy, I was just tired of your decade of bullshit and visions of
grandeur about all these things you're "working on" or have not done
in the past. Even posting a call for meetings with imaginary people
about imaginary projects of yours at "the normal time and place", as
if you are somebody important with a life. I'm pretty sure you're
manic depressive mixed with habitual liar.

Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
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Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:10:27 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 14:22:39 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> Our trip to California was great, but we had a really bad start. We had
>>> no problems getting over the border to Buffalo or getting our first set
>>> of boarding passes. The deal was to fly Buffalo to Newark and then
>>> Newark to Orange County. Our plane was late arriving. There was an
>>> announcement that we should come to the counter because we weren't going
>>> to make our connection. They decided to send us on to Newark, then
>>> Newark to Chicago and then to Orange County.
>>>
>>> When our plane finally arrived it unloaded, loaded up and taxied out the
>>> the runway and sat there for a long time before taking off. Then when we
>>> got to Newark we sat on the tarmac for about 20 minutes while they
>>> waited for a gate agent so we could disembark.
>>>
>>> We ended up missing the Chicago flight. We had to wait 5 1/2 hours for
>>> a direct flight to Orange Country. When that flight boarded and taxied
>>> out we got stuck in a queue for take off and the pilot had to remind
>>> air traffic control about the 10:30 curfew at Orange Country so they let
>>> us go ahead. Instead of arriving at 4 pm we landed just before 10:30
>>> pm. We were supposed to have gone out for supper with my brother and his
>>> wife and some of their friends that night but we ended up not getting to
>>> the hotel until almost midnight.
>>
>> It's all those damned American's faults! Or... maybe we did it on
>> purpose.
>
> Hey, just earlier he said that everything he ate in the US raised the
> bar for that type of food. Which tells me not to go to Canada when I'm
> hungry.
>
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>> Omelet wrote:
>
>> He hates me 'cause I never slept with him...
>
> He hates himself because he is all he has to sleep with
> I don't know, sometimes he used to seem normal, then he went petty
> trough vindictive and now I just shun contact. I have enough crazies to
> deal with in my world without encouraging those who refuse to take their
> meds.

For the record, I never once even considered sleeping with you. And
you know that. You're the one who somehow got the idea that I was
going to move in with you - and you posted that to RFC just out of the
total blue.

After having met you twice at casual austin.food gatherings 2 or 3
years ago and not giving you any indication that there was any sort of
romantic interest in the least, you somehow twisted that into MY
MOVING IN WITH YOU?

That was just way too Psycho for me. I sat there at stared at the
screen for at least 15 minutes wondering, WTF? That was just way too
spooky. I've met weird, semi-psycho women before but you win, hands
down. Mapi of austin.general still holds the male title, but at least
he announced his psychosis right there lying on the floor of the bar
at B.D. Reilly's rather than romantically obsessing over me for 2
years.

Needless to say, you need to come to terms with what happened and why
your mind works that way and stop making up excuses for your fixation
and disappointment before we become the next Yoli and Michael. I'd
prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

And Jeremy, I was just tired of your decade of bullshit and visions of
grandeur about all these things you're "working on" or have not done
in the past. Even posting a call for meetings with imaginary people
about imaginary projects of yours at "the normal time and place", as
if you are somebody important with a life. I'm pretty sure you're
manic depressive mixed with habitual liar.

Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
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On 9/17/2015 3:39 PM, dsi1 wrote:

> Boy, that sounds like a real drag. I have to cross the ocean in a big tin can going hundreds of miles an hour and several miles high soon. Hopefully, it will be uneventful and uncomplicated i.e., we won't explode in a huge ball of flame and crash into the raging surf below.
>

Flying has not been fun for many years. Best thing to do it to sleep if
you can. Some international flights still have a meal and maybe even a
drink.