On 11 Dec 2014 18:34:49 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2014-12-11, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>> I vote we decommission the word 'hack' from the Engrish language, it's
>> so overused/abused these days. The other week I saw a post here for
>> 'paleohacks', ffs...
>
>I'll stick with "hack", even if only cuz it's less typing than
>"modification".
>
>The one new term that really annoys me is "maker", like all those
>inventors or tinkerers that have pushed science, technology, read
>civilization, forward since the dawn of man weren't really making
>anything. As if!
>
>(sigh)

I've managed to miss that one somehow? Agreed it sounds pretty awful
though.

>It's jes the next younger generation trying out their wings. Gotta
>try new dress styles, behavior, vocabulary, etc. Whatever it takes to
>divorce themselves from the generation that raised them.

Agreed, but the newer generation seem to be a whole lot dumber (all
technology driven from what I can see) and divorced from plain common
sense than all of their predecessors put together.

On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 19:38:26 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"notbob" > wrote in message
...
>> On 2014-12-11, Jeßus > wrote:
>>
>>> I vote we decommission the word 'hack' from the Engrish language, it's
>>> so overused/abused these days. The other week I saw a post here for
>>> 'paleohacks', ffs...
>>
>> I'll stick with "hack", even if only cuz it's less typing than
>> "modification".
>>
>I can not stand that word. Seems I started seeing it used a few months ago
>and now everybody is using it. It is driving me nuts. It doesn't even mean
>what people are using it to mean. Such as "life hacks".

Wow. I agree with Julie.
I better have a lie down for a while.

notbob > wrote:
> I've noticed a lotta Keurig ownders on this group, so here's a little
> tip. You can now hack your Keurig 2.0 maker to work with non-Keurig
> K-cup thingies:
>
> http://www.keurighack.com/
>
> nb

MMMmmmmmmm, BPA-infused plastic tasting coffee.

On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 08:56:04 -0500, William > wrote:



>
>I have often wondered what the amazing appeal is for the coffee
>machines? My daughter bought me one because she was so impressed?
>I put it on the kitchen counter beside my old coffee brewer. I should
>have pushed back against my daughter insisting I have one when I found
>out you buy "pre-ground coffee portions" to load in this machine to
>make coffee.
>
>The people who use this machine have been deprived all their lives and
>have never enjoyed the exceptional taste and flavor of "freshly ground
>coffee." I even bought one of those adapters so I can put my own
>freshly ground coffee into the machine and that did produce an
>acceptable cup of coffee. I still find myself grinding the beans and
>making full pots of coffee I enjoy!
>
>William

It has a place, but IMO, not in the kitchen. I can see it in an
office where there is no sink, the waiting room at the tire store.

Far better is a grinder, good beans and a good drip or French press.

In my case, it is good loose tea, but I make my wife the best coffee I
can find.

On 12 Dec 2014 15:17:05 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2014-12-12, William > wrote:
>
>> acceptable cup of coffee. I still find myself grinding the beans and
>> making full pots of coffee I enjoy!
>
>The next step is to roast yer own coffee beans. You can purchase,
>online, green beans at about half the cost of pre-roasted and roast
>'em in about anything.
>
>nb

How bout a quick recipe nb? What's your procedure for roasting the
beans? I buy 8 O'Clock Columbian Whole Beans already roasted. Where
should I find the freshest "green" coffee beans? I can imagine
spreading them on a baking sheet sorta like roasting garlic. Heat and
time for proper roasting...that is the question.

William

On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 10:44:22 -0500, William > wrote:



>
>How bout a quick recipe nb? What's your procedure for roasting the
>beans? I buy 8 O'Clock Columbian Whole Beans already roasted. Where
>should I find the freshest "green" coffee beans? I can imagine
>spreading them on a baking sheet sorta like roasting garlic. Heat and
>time for proper roasting...that is the question.
>
>William

You can do better than 8 O"Clock.
If you want pure Kona, this is as good as it gets, Cea is a regular
here too.
http://www.smithfarms.com/
It will have been roasted within a day of shipping but you can buy
green also.

If you want others, there are small roasters popping up in many areas
with a variety of coffee to try.

On 2014-12-13, William > wrote:


> How bout a quick recipe nb? What's your procedure for roasting the
> beans? I buy 8 O'Clock Columbian Whole Beans already roasted. Where
> should I find the freshest "green" coffee beans? I can imagine
> spreading them on a baking sheet sorta like roasting garlic. Heat and
> time for proper roasting...that is the question.

Everything you need to know is on this webpage:

http://www.sweetmarias.com/library/roast-coffee/

Yes, you can spend hundreds, even thousands, of dollars, but you can
go cheap, too. I usta use a West Bend Poppery 2 air popcorn popper,
but you can use a pan and the stovetop.

nb

On 12/13/2014 10:39 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> It has a place, but IMO, not in the kitchen. I can see it in an
> office where there is no sink, the waiting room at the tire store.

There's a Keurig in the waiting room at my optometrist. The
receptionist doesn't have to worry about maintaining a fresh pot of
coffee for those who might want a cup while they wait.

Jill

On 13 Dec 2014 21:17:53 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2014-12-13, William > wrote:
>
>
>> How bout a quick recipe nb? What's your procedure for roasting the
>> beans? I buy 8 O'Clock Columbian Whole Beans already roasted. Where
>> should I find the freshest "green" coffee beans? I can imagine
>> spreading them on a baking sheet sorta like roasting garlic. Heat and
>> time for proper roasting...that is the question.
>
>Everything you need to know is on this webpage:
>
>http://www.sweetmarias.com/library/roast-coffee/
>
>Yes, you can spend hundreds, even thousands, of dollars, but you can
>go cheap, too. I usta use a West Bend Poppery 2 air popcorn popper,
>but you can use a pan and the stovetop.
>
>nb


Sweet Maria's is an excellent source for green beans and doe roasting
supplies and widgets.

Cea who posts here, and is of Smith Farms, also sells her impeccable
Kona beans in green form. They are a true treat.

https://www.smithfarms.com

Boron

notbob wrote:
>
> Yes, you can spend hundreds, even thousands, of dollars, but you can
> go cheap, too. I usta use a West Bend Poppery 2 air popcorn popper,
> but you can use a pan and the stovetop.

I have used an air popper, but I'd say they
are too hot. Also, you can't adjust the heat.
After using an air popper and a FreshRoast 8,
I graduated to an antique drum roaster that
I use over my gas stovetop. I'm getting the
best roasts ever with this device. It's a
solid drum, not perforated. I have the flame
on high until it starts to smoke, then back
way down for the remainder of the time.

On 13/12/2014 8:39 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 08:56:04 -0500, William > wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>> I have often wondered what the amazing appeal is for the coffee
>> machines? My daughter bought me one because she was so impressed?
>> I put it on the kitchen counter beside my old coffee brewer. I should
>> have pushed back against my daughter insisting I have one when I found
>> out you buy "pre-ground coffee portions" to load in this machine to
>> make coffee.
>>
>> The people who use this machine have been deprived all their lives and
>> have never enjoyed the exceptional taste and flavor of "freshly ground
>> coffee." I even bought one of those adapters so I can put my own
>> freshly ground coffee into the machine and that did produce an
>> acceptable cup of coffee. I still find myself grinding the beans and
>> making full pots of coffee I enjoy!
>>
>> William
>
> It has a place, but IMO, not in the kitchen. I can see it in an
> office where there is no sink, the waiting room at the tire store.
>
> Far better is a grinder, good beans and a good drip or French press.
>
> In my case, it is good loose tea, but I make my wife the best coffee I
> can find.
>
Starbucks now have a machine that is supposed to duplicate the French
press. I don't know how it works but the machine is fascinating and the
coffee is damn good!
Graham

On 2014-12-14, Mark Thorson > wrote:

> I have used an air popper, but I'd say they
> are too hot. Also, you can't adjust the heat.

I had 3 WB Poppery 2's, one NIB. Those are the only air poppers that
really were effective with coffee beans, off-the-shelf. Others
worked, but required tweaks.

> After using an air popper and a FreshRoast 8,

I helped kill my buddies Hottop, but it went down fighting with a
train load of roasted coffee behind it.

> I graduated to an antique drum roaster that
> I use over my gas stovetop. I'm getting the
> best roasts ever with this device. It's a
> solid drum, not perforated. I have the flame
> on high until it starts to smoke, then back
> way down for the remainder of the time.

I always admired the guy who roasted his coffee in a ss dog's dish
with a spoon and a hot air gun. Now, I admit to total laziness and
buy my fresh roasted coffee, weekly, from a pro ($15 lb w/tip). I may
be lazy, but one does not skimp on coffee.

nb

On 13 Dec 2014 21:17:53 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2014-12-13, William > wrote:
>
>
>> How bout a quick recipe nb? What's your procedure for roasting the
>> beans? I buy 8 O'Clock Columbian Whole Beans already roasted. Where
>> should I find the freshest "green" coffee beans? I can imagine
>> spreading them on a baking sheet sorta like roasting garlic. Heat and
>> time for proper roasting...that is the question.
>
>Everything you need to know is on this webpage:
>
>http://www.sweetmarias.com/library/roast-coffee/
>
>Yes, you can spend hundreds, even thousands, of dollars, but you can
>go cheap, too. I usta use a West Bend Poppery 2 air popcorn popper,
>but you can use a pan and the stovetop.
>
>nb

nb, do you usually just roast enough beans for one pot of coffee at a
time?

William

On 2014-12-14, William > wrote:

> nb, do you usually just roast enough beans for one pot of coffee at a
> time?

My WB poppery only roasted a quarter pound at a time. If I were still
roasting, I'd roast whatever amount was convenient to keep the roasted
coffee on hand, fresh. I usta roast every 2/3 days. Roast whatever
amt works for you.

nb

On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 21:22:15 +0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

> notbob > wrote:
>> I've noticed a lotta Keurig ownders on this group, so here's a little
>> tip. You can now hack your Keurig 2.0 maker to work with non-Keurig
>> K-cup thingies:
>>
>> http://www.keurighack.com/
>>
>> nb
>
> MMMmmmmmmm, BPA-infused plastic tasting coffee.

This guy is just a fountain of mis-information and ridiculous notions.

On 2014-12-16 04:16:36 +0000, Barbie Achtung said:

> On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 21:22:15 +0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>
>> notbob > wrote:
>>> I've noticed a lotta Keurig ownders on this group, so here's a little
>>> tip. You can now hack your Keurig 2.0 maker to work with non-Keurig
>>> K-cup thingies:
>>>
>>> http://www.keurighack.com/
>>>
>>> nb
>>
>> MMMmmmmmmm, BPA-infused plastic tasting coffee.
>
> This guy is just a fountain of mis-information and ridiculous notions.

Oh, am I mistaken? Does the Keurig machine claim it is BPA free? Do
the little plastic cups claim they are BPA free?

Feel free to consume all the BPA you like though - not my problem!

On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 20:22:19 -0800, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

> On 2014-12-16 04:16:36 +0000, Barbie Achtung said:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 21:22:15 +0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>>
>>> notbob > wrote:
>>>> I've noticed a lotta Keurig ownders on this group, so here's a little
>>>> tip. You can now hack your Keurig 2.0 maker to work with non-Keurig
>>>> K-cup thingies:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.keurighack.com/
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>>
>>> MMMmmmmmmm, BPA-infused plastic tasting coffee.
>>
>> This guy is just a fountain of mis-information and ridiculous notions.
>
> Oh, am I mistaken? Does the Keurig machine claim it is BPA free? Do
> the little plastic cups claim they are BPA free?

Maybe you should have look it up before you spouted off about it THE
FIRST TIME!

On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 20:22:19 -0800, Oregonian Haruspex
> wrote:

>On 2014-12-16 04:16:36 +0000, Barbie Achtung said:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 21:22:15 +0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>>
>>> notbob > wrote:
>>>> I've noticed a lotta Keurig ownders on this group, so here's a little
>>>> tip. You can now hack your Keurig 2.0 maker to work with non-Keurig
>>>> K-cup thingies:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.keurighack.com/
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>>
>>> MMMmmmmmmm, BPA-infused plastic tasting coffee.
>>
>> This guy is just a fountain of mis-information and ridiculous notions.
>
>Oh, am I mistaken? Does the Keurig machine claim it is BPA free? Do
>the little plastic cups claim they are BPA free?
>
>Feel free to consume all the BPA you like though - not my problem!

Do you know for sure that it does have BPA? Do you spread rumors with
no basis in fact? Have you checked the libel laws?

On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 20:22:19 -0800, Oregonian Haruspex
> wrote:

>On 2014-12-16 04:16:36 +0000, Barbie Achtung said:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 21:22:15 +0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>>
>>> notbob > wrote:
>>>> I've noticed a lotta Keurig ownders on this group, so here's a little
>>>> tip. You can now hack your Keurig 2.0 maker to work with non-Keurig
>>>> K-cup thingies:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.keurighack.com/
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>>
>>> MMMmmmmmmm, BPA-infused plastic tasting coffee.
>>
>> This guy is just a fountain of mis-information and ridiculous notions.
>
>Oh, am I mistaken? Does the Keurig machine claim it is BPA free? Do
>the little plastic cups claim they are BPA free?
>
>Feel free to consume all the BPA you like though - not my problem!

What difference does it make... the vast majority brew coffee with
their polluted tap water.

On 2014-12-16 11:04:30 +0000, Ed Pawlowski said:

> On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 20:22:19 -0800, Oregonian Haruspex
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2014-12-16 04:16:36 +0000, Barbie Achtung said:
>>
>>> On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 21:22:15 +0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>>>
>>>> notbob > wrote:
>>>>> I've noticed a lotta Keurig ownders on this group, so here's a little
>>>>> tip. You can now hack your Keurig 2.0 maker to work with non-Keurig
>>>>> K-cup thingies:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.keurighack.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> nb
>>>>
>>>> MMMmmmmmmm, BPA-infused plastic tasting coffee.
>>>
>>> This guy is just a fountain of mis-information and ridiculous notions.
>>
>> Oh, am I mistaken? Does the Keurig machine claim it is BPA free? Do
>> the little plastic cups claim they are BPA free?
>>
>> Feel free to consume all the BPA you like though - not my problem!
>
> Do you know for sure that it does have BPA? Do you spread rumors with
> no basis in fact? Have you checked the libel laws?

I looked just the other day. Keurig makes no claim to BPA free status
of their machines, which means it's safe to assume they are
BPA-infected.

Anyway if you were actually a lawyer you'd know that nowhere above did
I make a libelous statement.

Do you ever post anything food-related on here or do you just come here
to bitch and moan?

On 12/16/2014 6:26 PM, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

>>>>> MMMmmmmmmm, BPA-infused plastic tasting coffee.
>>>>
>>>> This guy is just a fountain of mis-information and ridiculous notions.
>>>
>>> Oh, am I mistaken? Does the Keurig machine claim it is BPA free? Do
>>> the little plastic cups claim they are BPA free?
>>>
>>> Feel free to consume all the BPA you like though - not my problem!
>>
>> Do you know for sure that it does have BPA? Do you spread rumors with
>> no basis in fact? Have you checked the libel laws?
>
> I looked just the other day. Keurig makes no claim to BPA free status
> of their machines, which means it's safe to assume they are BPA-infected.
>
> Anyway if you were actually a lawyer you'd know that nowhere above did I
> make a libelous statement.
>
> Do you ever post anything food-related on here or do you just come here
> to bitch and moan?
>

If a lumber yard does not say their wood is termite free do you assume
it has termites? Your BPA assumption is ludicrous.

I do post food related topics here. I also will challenge anyone making
statements they cannot back up with facts. Supposition and innuendo
just shows your lack of real knowledge.

http://www.coffeedetective.com/is-th...cups-safe.html
You are one of several people who have expressed concern about BPA in
the plastic used in K-Cups.

The short answer is no, there is no BPA in K-Cups. No worries on that score.

http://lifescapepremier.com/a-messag...everyday-items

5. According to the Keurig website’s Corporate Social Responsibility
page, “K-Cup® and Vue® packs do not contain BPA and are constructed
using FDA-approved food safe materials. We also use FDA-approved food
safe materials in our K-Cup® and Vue® brewing systems, and neither
system contains BPA within its water paths (as of January 1, 2010 for
our K-Cup® system).”

In summary, it does not appear that brewing coffee in a Keurig system
using a K-Cup poses any harm or exposure to BPA.

To summarize, the Oregonian Haruspex is full of shit.

On 2014-12-16 11:58 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
ur K-Cup® system).”
>
> In summary, it does not appear that brewing coffee in a Keurig system
> using a K-Cup poses any harm or exposure to BPA.
>
> To summarize, the Oregonian Haruspex is full of shit.

And you proved it. I am constantly amazed at the way some people will
make false claims here and refuse the opportunity to do the search for
links to support them.

On 12/17/2014 9:15 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2014-12-16 11:58 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> ur K-Cup® system).”
>>
>> In summary, it does not appear that brewing coffee in a Keurig system
>> using a K-Cup poses any harm or exposure to BPA.
>>
>> To summarize, the Oregonian Haruspex is full of shit.
>
> And you proved it. I am constantly amazed at the way some people will
> make false claims here and refuse the opportunity to do the search for
> links to support them.

I looked that up right away, thinking who in their right mind would
be putting out a BPA containing product these days knowing people
will check?

nancy

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2014-12-16 11:58 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> ur K-Cup® system).”
>>
>> In summary, it does not appear that brewing coffee in a Keurig system
>> using a K-Cup poses any harm or exposure to BPA.
>>
>> To summarize, the Oregonian Haruspex is full of shit.
>
> And you proved it. I am constantly amazed at the way some people will make
> false claims here and refuse the opportunity to do the search for links
> to support them.

I'm constantly amazed at the way some people refuse to do their own search
if a claim is in question.

Cheri

On 2014-12-17 14:25:50 +0000, Nancy Young said:

> On 12/17/2014 9:15 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2014-12-16 11:58 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> ur K-Cup® system).€�
>>>
>>> In summary, it does not appear that brewing coffee in a Keurig system
>>> using a K-Cup poses any harm or exposure to BPA.
>>>
>>> To summarize, the Oregonian Haruspex is full of shit.
>>
>> And you proved it. I am constantly amazed at the way some people will
>> make false claims here and refuse the opportunity to do the search for
>> links to support them.
>
> I looked that up right away, thinking who in their right mind would
> be putting out a BPA containing product these days knowing people
> will check?
>
> nancy

Note that while Keurig now claims that their k-cups are BPA-free, they
don't make the same claims for the water tank, hoses, bewing chamber,
and other associated plastic parts.

Just goes to show you that clever marketing and lawer-esque use of the
language can make you believe something (like "Keurig coffee is
BPA-free!") when it really isn't true.

On 12/17/2014 4:01 PM, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

>
> Just goes to show you that clever marketing and lawer-esque use of the
> language can make you believe something (like "Keurig coffee is
> BPA-free!") when it really isn't true.
>

You have proof? Talking out your ass again? Please, show us some facts
rather that use animal entrails to guide you.

On 2014-12-17 21:01:45 +0000, Oregonian Haruspex said:

> On 2014-12-17 14:25:50 +0000, Nancy Young said:
>
>> On 12/17/2014 9:15 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2014-12-16 11:58 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> ur K-Cup® system).€�
>>>>
>>>> In summary, it does not appear that brewing coffee in a Keurig system
>>>> using a K-Cup poses any harm or exposure to BPA.
>>>>
>>>> To summarize, the Oregonian Haruspex is full of shit.
>>>
>>> And you proved it. I am constantly amazed at the way some people will
>>> make false claims here and refuse the opportunity to do the search for
>>> links to support them.
>>
>> I looked that up right away, thinking who in their right mind would
>> be putting out a BPA containing product these days knowing people
>> will check?
>>
>> nancy
>
> Note that while Keurig now claims that their k-cups are BPA-free, they
> don't make the same claims for the water tank, hoses, bewing chamber,
> and other associated plastic parts.
>
> Just goes to show you that clever marketing and lawer-esque use of the
> language can make you believe something (like "Keurig coffee is
> BPA-free!") when it really isn't true.

http://www.coffeedetective.com/is-th...cups-safe.html

"We do use a variety of plastics in our Brewers and some contain BPA."

On 12/17/2014 5:46 PM, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:

>
> http://www.coffeedetective.com/is-th...cups-safe.html
>
>
> "We do use a variety of plastics in our Brewers and some contain BPA."
>




Question: €œDo the packaging materials used in K-Cups have any BPA in it?€�

Answer: €œNo €“ the K-Cup packaging contains no BPA.€�

Question: €œDoes the Cold Water Reservoir in a Keurig Brewer contain any
BPA?€�

Answer: The Cold Water Reservoirs in Keurig brewers do not contain BPA.

Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> On 12/17/2014 5:46 PM, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.coffeedetective.com/is-th...cups-safe.html
>>
>>
>> "We do use a variety of plastics in our Brewers and some contain BPA."
>>
>
>
>
>
> Question: €œDo the packaging materials used in K-Cups have any BPA in it?€�
>
> Answer: €œNo €“ the K-Cup packaging contains no BPA.€�
>
> Question: €œDoes the Cold Water Reservoir in a Keurig Brewer contain any BPA?€�
>
> Answer: The Cold Water Reservoirs in Keurig brewers do not contain BPA.

"We do use a variety of plastics in our Brewers and some contain BPA."

On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 03:59:16 +0000 (UTC), Oregonian Haruspex
> wrote:

>Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>> On 12/17/2014 5:46 PM, Oregonian Haruspex wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://www.coffeedetective.com/is-th...cups-safe.html


>
>"We do use a variety of plastics in our Brewers and some contain BPA."

Caution, touching the handle may poison you.

It is not in the water reservoir of the K cup, the only places than
matter.