http://www.bbc.com/news/health-29755469

It would probably work for adults as well.

The child's doctor creates a tailored plan with 15-20 strategies, which
could include:

1 - No crunchy muesli or fruit yoghurts for breakfast - choosing
oatmeal, dark brown bread, meat and fish instead

2 - No fast food or white bread for lunch; choose brown bread, meat,
fish and vegetables instead

3 - Portions served up in the kitchen - no pots and pans at the dining table

4 - Plate proportions for dinner should be: half vegetables, a quarter
brown rice, pasta or potatoes, and a quarter low fat fish or meat

5 - Wait 20 minutes before having second helpings - this allows time for
the body to feel full

6 - Feel satisfied after each meal

7 - Only two pieces of fruit per day

8 - Fast food only once a month

9 - Sweets only once a week

10 - Snack only once a week

11 - Limit juice, iced tea, cocoa, soda or lemonade to once weekly -
only half a litre in total

12 - Cycle or walk to school

13 - Organised physical activity eg dancing, handball or gymnastics

14 - Free physical activities like walking/biking after school, walking
the dog or trampolining

15 - Screen time (television, computer or tablet) limited to two hours
per day

16 - No television/computer access until 5pm

17 - Set a regular, early bedtime

On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 10:30:05 -0700, graham > wrote:

>http://www.bbc.com/news/health-29755469
>
>It would probably work for adults as well.
>
>The child's doctor creates a tailored plan with 15-20 strategies, which
>could include:
>

Should work for anyone if you follow it. The trick is to get people to
follow it when there is a big apple pie on the counter and a gallon of
ice cream in the freezer.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 10:30:05 -0700, graham > wrote:
>
>>http://www.bbc.com/news/health-29755469
>>
>>It would probably work for adults as well.
>>
>>The child's doctor creates a tailored plan with 15-20 strategies, which
>>could include:
>>
>
> Should work for anyone if you follow it. The trick is to get people to
> follow it when there is a big apple pie on the counter and a gallon of
> ice cream in the freezer.

My market sells two gallon tubs of store brand ice cream in rectangular
shape with a handle. The shape makes it easier to fit in the freezer. And
the frozen desert section is bigger than the produce section.



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On 2014-11-09 7:25 PM, wrote:

>> My market sells two gallon tubs of store brand ice cream in rectangular
>> shape with a handle. The shape makes it easier to fit in the freezer. And
>> the frozen desert section is bigger than the produce section.
>>
>
> Read the label on store made icecream, a list of chemicals, don't eat.
>


For about ten years the only ice cream I ever ate was the stuff I made
myself. It was made with whole milk, cream, a couple eggs and some
sugar and flavouring. We can all pronounce everything that went into it.

On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 19:29:40 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2014-11-09 7:25 PM, wrote:
>
>>> My market sells two gallon tubs of store brand ice cream in rectangular
>>> shape with a handle. The shape makes it easier to fit in the freezer. And
>>> the frozen desert section is bigger than the produce section.
>>>
>>
>> Read the label on store made icecream, a list of chemicals, don't eat.
>>
>
>
>For about ten years the only ice cream I ever ate was the stuff I made
>myself. It was made with whole milk, cream, a couple eggs and some
>sugar and flavouring. We can all pronounce everything that went into it.

My husband makes our ice cream. The recipe is heavy cream, milk,
sugar, and vanilla. Not even any eggs. It's lovely.

Doris

> >For about ten years the only ice cream I ever ate was the stuff I made
> >myself. It was made with whole milk, cream, a couple eggs and some
> >sugar and flavouring. We can all pronounce everything that went into it.
>
> My husband makes our ice cream. The recipe is heavy cream, milk,
> sugar, and vanilla. Not even any eggs. It's lovely.
>

I experimented a lot with ice cream recipes, because I was never happy wit the texture. I found that adding egg yolks and skim milk powder makes a nicer texture.

On Sunday, November 9, 2014 10:56:44 PM UTC-6, Doris Night wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 19:29:40 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> >On 2014-11-09 7:25 PM, wrote:
> >
> >>> My market sells two gallon tubs of store brand ice cream in rectangular
> >>> shape with a handle. The shape makes it easier to fit in the freezer. And
> >>> the frozen desert section is bigger than the produce section.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Read the label on store made icecream, a list of chemicals, don't eat.
> >>
> >
> >
> >For about ten years the only ice cream I ever ate was the stuff I made
> >myself. It was made with whole milk, cream, a couple eggs and some
> >sugar and flavouring. We can all pronounce everything that went into it.
>
> My husband makes our ice cream. The recipe is heavy cream, milk,
> sugar, and vanilla. Not even any eggs. It's lovely.

Even using perfect ingredients, it's hard to make ice cream with a great mouth-feel like HD.
http://www.haagendazs.us/Products/Product/2474
>
> Doris

--Bryan

On 11/9/2014 7:25 PM, wrote:

>> My market sells two gallon tubs of store brand ice cream in rectangular
>> shape with a handle. The shape makes it easier to fit in the freezer. And
>> the frozen desert section is bigger than the produce section.
>>
>
> Read the label on store made icecream, a list of chemicals, don't eat.
>

Right, If it has fillers and additives, I don't buy it. I buy Haggen
Daz, Ben & Jerry or make my own. Breyers used to be good years ago, but
they turned it into crap.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
news
> On 11/9/2014 7:25 PM, wrote:
>
>>> My market sells two gallon tubs of store brand ice cream in rectangular
>>> shape with a handle. The shape makes it easier to fit in the freezer.
>>> And
>>> the frozen desert section is bigger than the produce section.
>>>
>>
>> Read the label on store made icecream, a list of chemicals, don't eat.
>>
>
> Right, If it has fillers and additives, I don't buy it. I buy Haggen
> Daz, Ben & Jerry or make my own. Breyers used to be good years ago, but
> they turned it into crap.



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"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
news
> On 11/9/2014 7:25 PM, wrote:
>
>>> My market sells two gallon tubs of store brand ice cream in rectangular
>>> shape with a handle. The shape makes it easier to fit in the freezer.
>>> And
>>> the frozen desert section is bigger than the produce section.
>>>
>>
>> Read the label on store made icecream, a list of chemicals, don't eat.
>>
>
> Right, If it has fillers and additives, I don't buy it. I buy Haggen
> Daz, Ben & Jerry or make my own. Breyers used to be good years ago, but
> they turned it into crap.

I was referring to the packaging which tempts people to overindulge.



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On 11/9/2014 10:08 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> news
>> On 11/9/2014 7:25 PM, wrote:
>>
>>>> My market sells two gallon tubs of store brand ice cream in rectangular
>>>> shape with a handle. The shape makes it easier to fit in the freezer.
>>>> And
>>>> the frozen desert section is bigger than the produce section.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Read the label on store made icecream, a list of chemicals, don't eat.
>>>
>>
>> Right, If it has fillers and additives, I don't buy it. I buy Haggen
>> Daz, Ben & Jerry or make my own. Breyers used to be good years ago, but
>> they turned it into crap.
>
> I was referring to the packaging which tempts people to overindulge.
>
Having two gallons in the freezer can do that.

On Sunday, November 9, 2014 7:28:07 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/9/2014 7:25 PM, wrote:
>
> >> My market sells two gallon tubs of store brand ice cream in rectangular
> >> shape with a handle. The shape makes it easier to fit in the freezer. And
> >> the frozen desert section is bigger than the produce section.
> >>
> >
> > Read the label on store made icecream, a list of chemicals, don't eat.
> >
>
> Right, If it has fillers and additives, I don't buy it. I buy Haggen
> Daz, Ben & Jerry or make my own. Breyers used to be good years ago, but
> they turned it into crap.

B&J has crap in it too. Nothing nasty, just vegetable gums like guar and
carageenan. They are not in the same category as HD, which is REAL ice
cream. Look at the ingredients and you will see that when you buy Ben &
Jerry's, you are buying the "fillers and additives" that you claim that
you "don't buy."

--Bryan

wrote in news:vbav5a98bg7tbn5alc0n0qu7ujasfpj9jb@
4ax.com:

> On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 12:36:04 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 10:30:05 -0700, graham > wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.bbc.com/news/health-29755469
>>>
>>>It would probably work for adults as well.
>>>
>>>The child's doctor creates a tailored plan with 15-20 strategies, which
>>>could include:
>>>
>>
>>Should work for anyone if you follow it. The trick is to get people to
>>follow it when there is a big apple pie on the counter and a gallon of
>>ice cream in the freezer.
>
> Lol and add in that kids today are permitted to have likes and
> dislikes.

I can't recalll who the pundit was, but there's a saying I've heard that
has stuck with me: The only time you should ask a child what he wants to
eat is when you're in a restaurant...

graham > wrote in news:wwN7w.752877$Y4.567686
@fx24.iad:

> No fast food or white bread for lunch

It doesn;t say that in the Danish diet, I'll bet. The Danes call
anything other than the thin chewy very dark rye bread "french"
bread. They only serve "french" bread with the cheese course.

--

Socialism never took root in America because the
poor there see themselves not as an exploited
proletariat but as temporarily embarassed
millionaires. - John Steinbeck

> > No fast food or white bread for lunch
>
> It doesn;t say that in the Danish diet, I'll bet. The Danes call
> anything other than the thin chewy very dark rye bread "french"
> bread. They only serve "french" bread with the cheese course.

Smoked salmon (and gravad laks) and shrimps are best on french bread, too.

graham wrote:
>
> http://www.bbc.com/news/health-29755469
>
> It would probably work for adults as well.
>
> The child's doctor creates a tailored plan with 15-20 strategies, which
> could include:

....

> 11 - Limit juice, iced tea, cocoa, soda or lemonade to once weekly -
> only half a litre in total

I take issue with iced tea on that list as it seems to presume sweetened
iced tea, and I've been drinking unsweenened iced tea (and unsweetened
coffee) since I was about 5.

....

> 15 - Screen time (television, computer or tablet) limited to two hours
> per day

This one would be a definite problem for many adults. If I limited
screen time to two hours a day I'd be out of a job, which I suppose
would cut my caloric intake, but not in a good way.

On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 12:47:30 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
>graham wrote:
>>
>> http://www.bbc.com/news/health-29755469
>>
>> It would probably work for adults as well.
>>
>> The child's doctor creates a tailored plan with 15-20 strategies, which
>> could include:
>
>...
>
>> 11 - Limit juice, iced tea, cocoa, soda or lemonade to once weekly -
>> only half a litre in total
>
>I take issue with iced tea on that list as it seems to presume sweetened
>iced tea, and I've been drinking unsweenened iced tea (and unsweetened
>coffee) since I was about 5.
>
>...
>
>> 15 - Screen time (television, computer or tablet) limited to two hours
>> per day
>
>This one would be a definite problem for many adults. If I limited
>screen time to two hours a day I'd be out of a job, which I suppose
>would cut my caloric intake, but not in a good way.

I don't like tea but I have two large mugs of potent coffee every
morning, black no sugar. I can't remember the last time I spooned
white sugar on anything. Perhaps twice a year I'll have a bowl of
cereal with honey.

On 2014-11-09 12:47 PM, Pete C. wrote:
>
>
>> 11 - Limit juice, iced tea, cocoa, soda or lemonade to once weekly -
>> only half a litre in total
>
> I take issue with iced tea on that list as it seems to presume sweetened
> iced tea, and I've been drinking unsweenened iced tea (and unsweetened
> coffee) since I was about 5.

I think the problem is that so many people now consider iced tea to be
that retched stuff sold in cans, not home brewed tea that has been
cooled. The commercial stuff is very sweet. I never did use much sugar
in tea and started drinking it black when I was about 20. Any amount of
sugar makes it too sweet for me, but that stuff in cans ghastly sweet.


>
> ...
>
>> 15 - Screen time (television, computer or tablet) limited to two hours
>> per day
>
> This one would be a definite problem for many adults. If I limited
> screen time to two hours a day I'd be out of a job, which I suppose
> would cut my caloric intake, but not in a good way.

A lot of people park themselves in front of the TV and get no exercise
at all.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2014-11-09 12:47 PM, Pete C. wrote:
>>
>>
>>> 11 - Limit juice, iced tea, cocoa, soda or lemonade to once weekly -
>>> only half a litre in total
>>
>> I take issue with iced tea on that list as it seems to presume sweetened
>> iced tea, and I've been drinking unsweenened iced tea (and unsweetened
>> coffee) since I was about 5.
>
> I think the problem is that so many people now consider iced tea to be
> that retched stuff sold in cans, not home brewed tea that has been cooled.
> The commercial stuff is very sweet. I never did use much sugar in tea and
> started drinking it black when I was about 20. Any amount of sugar makes
> it too sweet for me, but that stuff in cans ghastly sweet.
>
>
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> 15 - Screen time (television, computer or tablet) limited to two hours
>>> per day
>>
>> This one would be a definite problem for many adults. If I limited
>> screen time to two hours a day I'd be out of a job, which I suppose
>> would cut my caloric intake, but not in a good way.
>
> A lot of people park themselves in front of the TV and get no exercise at
> all.
>

not true. Sometimes they forget where they left the remote.
>
>

> I take issue with iced tea on that list as it seems to presume sweetened
> iced tea, and I've been drinking unsweenened iced tea (and unsweetened
> coffee) since I was about 5.

I think they are talking about supermarket industrial ice tea (e.g. Nestle) which in DK only comes sweetened.

On 09/11/2014 12:58 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 10:30:05 -0700, graham wrote:
>
>> 1 - No crunchy muesli or fruit yoghurts for breakfast - choosing
>> oatmeal, dark brown bread, meat and fish instead
>
> Fish for breakfast? I guess there's lox and bagels, but that's hardly
> kid-fare.
>
Note it is Denmark and their idea of breakfast is different to ours.
If you travel in mainland Europe, the contents of the breakfast buffet
are totally different to ours and the UK.
Graham

On 2014-11-09 3:19 PM, graham wrote:

>> Fish for breakfast? I guess there's lox and bagels, but that's hardly
>> kid-fare.
>>
> Note it is Denmark and their idea of breakfast is different to ours.
> If you travel in mainland Europe, the contents of the breakfast buffet
> are totally different to ours and the UK.

I enjoyed breakfast buffets at several different Danish hotels and they
were all very bounteous. There were cold cereals, yoghurt, scrambled
eggs, boiled eggs, bacon, ham, sausage, liver pate, a variety of cheeses
and cold cuts, breads, rolls sweet rolls, pastries and Vienbrot. They
also had fish. A nice breakfast in our hotel in Lubeck, Germany had a
similar variety, and in addition to herring they had gravlox.

On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 13:19:12 -0700, graham > wrote:

>On 09/11/2014 12:58 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 10:30:05 -0700, graham wrote:
>>
>>> 1 - No crunchy muesli or fruit yoghurts for breakfast - choosing
>>> oatmeal, dark brown bread, meat and fish instead
>>
>> Fish for breakfast? I guess there's lox and bagels, but that's hardly
>> kid-fare.
>>
>Note it is Denmark and their idea of breakfast is different to ours.
>If you travel in mainland Europe, the contents of the breakfast buffet
>are totally different to ours and the UK.
>Graham

I've had breakfast in Solvang, CA... their breakfast consists mostly
of rich pastry.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 10:30:05 -0700, graham wrote:
>
>> 1 - No crunchy muesli or fruit yoghurts for breakfast - choosing
>> oatmeal, dark brown bread, meat and fish instead
>
> Fish for breakfast? I guess there's lox and bagels, but that's hardly
> kid-fare.
>
>> 15 - Screen time (television, computer or tablet) limited to two hours
>> per day
>
> Kids would "just die" f they could only use their cell phones 2 hours
> a day.

Not only that but here the homework can easily exceed 2 hours per day and it
is often done online. Plus computers are used at school. So that's
unreasonable.

On 11/9/2014 6:57 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

>>> 15 - Screen time (television, computer or tablet) limited to two hours
>>> per day
>>
>> Kids would "just die" f they could only use their cell phones 2 hours
>> a day.
>
> Not only that but here the homework can easily exceed 2 hours per day
> and it is often done online. Plus computers are used at school. So
> that's unreasonable.

I imagine they ae differentiating entertainment and game time from work
time. It works that way.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/9/2014 6:57 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>>> 15 - Screen time (television, computer or tablet) limited to two hours
>>>> per day
>>>
>>> Kids would "just die" f they could only use their cell phones 2 hours
>>> a day.
>>
>> Not only that but here the homework can easily exceed 2 hours per day
>> and it is often done online. Plus computers are used at school. So
>> that's unreasonable.
>
> I imagine they ae differentiating entertainment and game time from work
> time. It works that way.

Ha! On a school day, most kids here wouldn't even have 2 hours to waste on
fun things.

On 11/9/2014 8:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>


>>
>> I imagine they ae differentiating entertainment and game time from
>> work time. It works that way.
>
> Ha! On a school day, most kids here wouldn't even have 2 hours to waste
> on fun things.

We always did. Studies and got all As & Bs too. But we did not go to
dance class.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 11/9/2014 8:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>
>
>>>
>>> I imagine they ae differentiating entertainment and game time from
>>> work time. It works that way.
>>
>> Ha! On a school day, most kids here wouldn't even have 2 hours to waste
>> on fun things.
>
> We always did. Studies and got all As & Bs too. But we did not go to
> dance class.

I never did. Not only did I have after school activities at the school like
sports, drama, choir, orchestra, pep club, candle making club, etc., but I
did dance, swimming, scouts, and when older I had a job. I got mostly A's.

On Sunday, November 9, 2014 9:27:39 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/9/2014 8:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
>
>
> >>
> >> I imagine they ae differentiating entertainment and game time from
> >> work time. It works that way.
> >
> > Ha! On a school day, most kids here wouldn't even have 2 hours to waste
> > on fun things.
>
> We always did. Studies and got all As & Bs too. But we did not go to
> dance class.

Ah, again, the pictures we can't un-see. "Tubby in a Tutu."

--Bryan

On 2014-11-09 10:27 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 11/9/2014 8:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>

>>
>> Ha! On a school day, most kids here wouldn't even have 2 hours to waste
>> on fun things.
>
> We always did. Studies and got all As & Bs too. But we did not go to
> dance class.

Do you believe that hers does?

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 10:30:05 -0700, graham wrote:
>
> > 1 - No crunchy muesli or fruit yoghurts for breakfast - choosing
> > oatmeal, dark brown bread, meat and fish instead
>
> Fish for breakfast? I guess there's lox and bagels, but that's hardly
> kid-fare.

Ackee and saltfish - Breakfast, lunch or dinner, wonderful stuff.

>
> > 15 - Screen time (television, computer or tablet) limited to two hours
> > per day
>
> Kids would "just die" f they could only use their cell phones 2 hours
> a day.

It sure seems that way.

On Sunday, November 9, 2014 7:26:58 PM UTC-6, Pete C. wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 09 Nov 2014 10:30:05 -0700, graham wrote:
> >
> > > 1 - No crunchy muesli or fruit yoghurts for breakfast - choosing
> > > oatmeal, dark brown bread, meat and fish instead
> >
> > Fish for breakfast? I guess there's lox and bagels, but that's hardly
> > kid-fare.
>
> Ackee and saltfish - Breakfast, lunch or dinner, wonderful stuff.
>
This talk of fish for breakfast prompted me to crack open a couple of these.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...6L._SX425_.jpg Delicious.
>
--Bryan