"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Pico Rico" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> In article >,
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 07:51:17 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> You don't have kids Jill. You don't know. I am *not* going to
>>>>> >>> make her
>>>>> >>> make her own dinner during the school year. She has a line on two
>>>>> >>> jobs. If
>>>>> >>> she gets one, she'll have even less time at home.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >The fact that I don't have kids doesn't have a thing to do with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It does in fact have much to do with it - anybody who has not had kids
>>>>> doesn't have a clue what it is like to have them, raise them, watch
>>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> Pure crap. I can think of numerous childless people whose lives were
>>>> devoted to the expert and loving raising, watching and responsibility
>>>> for other peoples children; as extended family, paid houseparents,
>>>> foster parents, teachers.
>>>>
>>>> Very often those childless people were far better at every aspect of
>>>> raising kids, than the childrens' feckless, reckless and selfish
>>>> natural
>>>> parents.
>>>>
>>>> Janet UK
>>>
>>> Part time parenting is not the same as 24/7 for life.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Raising kids 24/7 (for life? You already don't understand about raising
>> kids!) often leads to burn out and "taking the easy way". A person with
>> or without kids who is fresh can see the situation differently and see
>> that sometimes things are not being done for the best, simply due to
>> fatigue factor. And, let's not forget - we were all kids at some point,
>> so know how kids think and some of the things that work and don't work.
>
> You are totally clueless.

Yep.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/3/2014 9:09 AM, wrote:
>> On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 07:51:17 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't have kids Jill. You don't know. I am *not* going to make
>>>>> her
>>>>> make her own dinner during the school year. She has a line on two
>>>>> jobs. If
>>>>> she gets one, she'll have even less time at home.
>>>>
>>> The fact that I don't have kids doesn't have a thing to do with it.
>>
>> It does in fact have much to do with it - anybody who has not had kids
>> doesn't have a clue what it is like to have them, raise them, watch
>> them. I say that from a vantage point, mother of three, grandmother
>> of five, greatgrandmother of four.
>>
> Bully for you for procreating! Bang away. All I know is I was fairly
> equipped to be self sufficient by the time I was 16. I was expected to
> be. Apparently nothing is expected of this child. Go ahead and cheer her
> on for mollycoddling and doing every little thing for her.
>
> Jill

Again, all about you. This isn't about you Jill or your lifetime. I
wouldn't have wanted your life as it was then. I wouldn't want it now. ~

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/3/2014 3:26 PM, wrote:
>> You miss my point - I am not saying whether I agree with how she is
>> raising her child, personally I would say not, but you are incorrect
>> when you feel that being childless means you know more than her, (snip)
>
> I never said I know more than her. I think she's foolish and don't mind
> saying so. Catering to a capable utterly too pampered child, by someone
> who is an alleged "princess" herself. The princess of what, I don't know.
>
> My mother would have laughed me out of the room if I suggested she cook
> breakfast for me or cook a special dinner when I got home from school. I
> was perfectly capable of doing it myself. Did you encourage/condone this
> sort of behaviour with your children? I sincerely doubt it.

Does anyone care what your mother would have done? Not really. Again, this
isn't about you.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...


Raising kids is the most easy and natural thing in the world for people that
have never raised kids. It's fairly easy to spot people that have never
known the sublime joys and deep sorrows of this long, undertaking - they are
always the ones with all the answers. One might as well learn to make roast
pork from someone that has never opened an oven door.

===

I remember what I used to think before I had the baby. I guess a lot of
people think that way. I can remember watching some TV show when Angela was
about 3. The woman on the show was pregnant and laughing at other people
who claimed that their lives changed when they had kids. She said nothing
in her life would change. She loved to travel. She was still going to do
it. She was just going to strap her kid on her back and go.

Oh yeah! Just wait until you have to start not only changing diapers but
carrying them with you. And what if you get a kid who pukes at the drop of
a hat? Or cries all the time and can't be consoled? Or you don't produce
enough milk? Or outgrows all of their clothing in the middle of that trip?
Or... Or... Or...

Nothing in life goes like a textbook.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...


I have an older and younger brother. My older brother has no kids and he's
always telling me what I should be doing with the kids. My younger brother
has no kids either - he raises show dogs. He doesn't tell me how to raise my
kids and I don't give him advice on raising champion dalmations.

---

I just can't imagine having more than one kid. And not only just from the
pregnancy and birthing aspects. Every one is different. My brother and I
were and still are polar opposites. And three or more kids? I don't think
I could do it.

"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...
> sf > wrote:
>> On Thu, 2 Oct 2014 15:23:28 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>>> t...
>>>> In article >, says...
>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps that is only because I am one of the younger ones here and I
>>>>> still
>>>>> have a kid in the house.
>>>>
>>>> What do you reckon..the rest of rfc were all born too old to have
>>>> children ?
>>>
>>> Well, I don't often see anyone mentioning children who are currently at
>>> home.
>>
>> Tara has kids at home, I think Tert does too. There are probably
>> others.
>>
>
>
> I'm younger and have kids at home as well.

Okay.

"jinx the minx" > wrote in message
...

> It's not ridiculous at all. Do you still wipe her butt too? Perhaps it's
> time for Angela to scale back on all that "dancing" she does.

Or perhaps it's time for you to shut up. Yeah! That's what time it is!
I'm going to assume that you don't dance. Or never did. That would explain
it. If you did, you'd know there is no such thing as scaling back. I
already said that she is only taking two classes this year, one of which she
is assisting. That's hardly excessive.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 14:25:01 +0000 (UTC), jinx the minx
> > wrote:
>
>> It's not ridiculous at all. Do you still wipe her butt too? Perhaps
>> it's
>> time for Angela to scale back on all that "dancing" she does.
>
> I think I read she's looking for a job now, so dancing will be cut
> back eventually. At this point, it's good exercise and I hope she
> continues to be physically active.

She is taking two classes. One of which is a lower level. She was going to
take it for fun but has been assisting. And she is going to apply for a job
this weekend. Whether or not she gets it remains to be seen.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/3/2014 10:53 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 14:25:01 +0000 (UTC), jinx the minx
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> It's not ridiculous at all. Do you still wipe her butt too? Perhaps
>>> it's
>>> time for Angela to scale back on all that "dancing" she does.
>>
>> I think I read she's looking for a job now, so dancing will be cut
>> back eventually. At this point, it's good exercise and I hope she
>> continues to be physically active.
>>
>>
> I thought she quit dancing? It's so hard to keep up since she never talks
> about her kid. Heh.

Why would you think that? I never said that.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 12:19:09 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2014-10-03 11:36 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> >> I think I read she's looking for a job now, so dancing will be cut
>> >> back eventually. At this point, it's good exercise and I hope she
>> >> continues to be physically active.
>> >>
>> >>
>> > I thought she quit dancing? It's so hard to keep up since she never
>> > talks about her kid. Heh.
>> >
>> She used to say she was a dancer. Then she said that she was "disabled".
>> The current story seems to be that she is a dancer again. I have seen
>> pictures of her. She looks more like a baton twirler in a marching band
>> than a dancer. Not that there is anything wrong with that.... just
>> saying that is not he lithe body of a dancer.
>
> You're thinking of dancing as being confined to ballet. From what I
> understand, she is not doing ballet.

Wrong. Ballet is the backbone at dance and if you want to get anywhere at
her studio, you have to take that. She is taking ballet and assisting at
tap.

"barbie gee" > wrote in message
hcrg.pbz...
>
>
> On Thu, 2 Oct 2014, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 10/2/2014 3:22 PM, DreadfulBitch wrote:
>>> On 10/1/2014 5:14 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Have you ever tried to microwave French Fries? Tater Tots? Thought
>>>> not. While I suppose you can do it, nobody will want to eat the end
>>>> results.
>>>
>>> Have you ever tried to reheat using the oven? or stovetop? or toaster
>>> oven? You *don't* have to use the microwave to reheat stuff. What on
>>> earth did we all do before microwaves?
>>>
>> Indeed! And it's been said before, her daughter is old enough to prepare
>> her own meals. It's time for her to move beyond the scrambled egg. I
>> don't care if she doesn't like to cook. If she wants to eat, she'll
>> figure something out.
>
> I'm sure I'm repeating this old story, but the point bears repeating.
> While we must consider all the medical dietary restrictions in some
> households, indeed, by the time I was a teen, Mom making breakfast was
> reserved for the weekends, and I had to pack my own lunch most always, or
> dad would give me a little money for the week for cafeteria lunches.
>
> Breakfast could be anything easy to fix; cereal, toasted something, eggs
> of some sort, PB&J... usually a quick bowl of cereal worked fastest and
> best back then. Lunches were usually sandwiches with some fruit or
> cookies or chips. When I got home from school, it was often my job to
> "start dinner", meaning mom would call as she was leaving work, and ask me
> to start a pot of water to boiling, or trim some green beans, or peel
> potatoes or whatever, for dinner for the 3 of us. Dad didn't usually have
> to do anything but enjoy the meal and compliment the cooks!
>
> The notion of catering to everyone's particular likes and dislikes is a
> modern notion, that I first noted when a friend of mine would cook some
> pasta separate from the main meal for "the kids" who she said, "won't eat
> what we're having". It just made me sad. Kids eating noodles with butter
> for dinner. And then she'd give them a "before bedtime snack". WTF?

It's not a modern notion to *me*. I grew up in a household of picky eaters
with various medical problems that affected what they could eat.

Each household runs differently. I *love* to cook! Why do people here have
a problem with *me* doing it? In fact I'd much rather cook for other people
than myself. I am that way with everything. I used to do a lot of arts and
crafts as well. But I liked to give them as gifts. After putting all that
work into something, I kind of didn't want to see it again. I just get kind
of sick of it.

On 10/3/2014 2:21 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
> I have an older and younger brother. My older brother has no kids and
> he's always telling me what I should be doing with the kids. My younger
> brother has no kids either - he raises show dogs. He doesn't tell me how
> to raise my kids and I don't give him advice on raising champion
> dalmations.
>
> ---
>
> I just can't imagine having more than one kid. And not only just from
> the pregnancy and birthing aspects. Every one is different. My brother
> and I were and still are polar opposites. And three or more kids? I
> don't think I could do it.

Having a shitload of kids is an old-school concept. My grandma had 11
and my wife had 1 sister and 5 brothers. The stock answer in Hawaii when
somebody says they had a lot of kids is "What, neva have TV set or what!"

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/3/2014 3:23 PM, wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 15:04:07 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 07:51:17 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You don't have kids Jill. You don't know. I am *not* going to make
>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>> make her own dinner during the school year. She has a line on two
>>>>>>> jobs. If
>>>>>>> she gets one, she'll have even less time at home.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The fact that I don't have kids doesn't have a thing to do with it.
>>>>
>>>> It does in fact have much to do with it - anybody who has not had kids
>>>> doesn't have a clue what it is like to have them, raise them, watch
>>>> them.
>>>
>>> Pure crap. I can think of numerous childless people whose lives were
>>> devoted to the expert and loving raising, watching and responsibility
>>> for other peoples children; as extended family, paid houseparents,
>>> foster parents, teachers.
>>>
>>> Very often those childless people were far better at every aspect of
>>> raising kids, than the childrens' feckless, reckless and selfish natural
>>> parents.
>>>
>>> Janet UK
>>
>> You make my point - they are raising them - they are not sitting in an
>> old age ghetto without a clue about child rearing.
>>
> Whee! An old age ghetto! I'll be sure to suggest that one to the
> marketing department.
>
>> I would say though I was not feckless, reckless or selfish. We gave
>> up a lot for our children, willingly, and they were well disciplined.
>> All three went on to good jobs and to be tax paying, contributing
>> citizens.
>>
> "Contributing citizens" being the operative phrase. Could they cook for
> themselves by the time they were 16? Would they have done so if asked or
> if necessary? And still done their homework, etc.? I'm sure you'll say
> yes, most of the time. That's the difference in this discussion.
>
> Her daughter has a car. I'm pretty sure if she was asked to pick up some
> things at the grocery store we'd hear a myriad of reasons why she
> couldn't. That's just the way Julie tales crumble.

You'd be wrong there Jill. She went out and bought me a battery when I
didn't have a 9V. I also asked her to pick me up something at Albertsons
but I don't remember what that was. And she keeps a shopping bag in her
trunk in case I need her to stop on the way home from school. There is a
small grocery store near the school. We also go together to shop when she
needs gas. Why? It is cheaper to get the gas at Costco. She can't get a
card there. Have to be 18 to do that. So I have to be there with my card.
Yeah, I could give her the card but seeing as how I need something from
Costco every week or two I might as well go and get it. Plus walking
through Costco is good exercise.

And tomorrow? If my mom needs to go to the store, she will take her there.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/3/2014 2:21 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>
>> I have an older and younger brother. My older brother has no kids and
>> he's always telling me what I should be doing with the kids. My younger
>> brother has no kids either - he raises show dogs. He doesn't tell me how
>> to raise my kids and I don't give him advice on raising champion
>> dalmations.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> I just can't imagine having more than one kid. And not only just from
>> the pregnancy and birthing aspects. Every one is different. My brother
>> and I were and still are polar opposites. And three or more kids? I
>> don't think I could do it.
>
> Having a shitload of kids is an old-school concept. My grandma had 11 and
> my wife had 1 sister and 5 brothers. The stock answer in Hawaii when
> somebody says they had a lot of kids is "What, neva have TV set or what!"

There really is no need for a lot of kids these days. In the old days, many
people had farms and needed all those kids for cheap labor. And even if
they didn't have a farm, most of the day to day activities they did were far
more labor intensive than they are now.

I just got finished reading a book about the poor in NY. Even before the
Great Depression, things were so bad in some areas, the entire family had to
work. There are pictures of moms and kids, even small kids, sitting at the
kitchen table making dolls, socks, and other small things. If the mom
worked outside the home, they had places that pre-dated daycares. Often
these were outside areas and the only stipulation was that there needed to
be a sober adult somewhere in the area.

People often worked around the clock. Often they had factory jobs and
sometimes even the kids worked at the factories. They didn't have meals as
we know them now. They were just lucky to have something to eat. Even if
that something was just some candy or a jar of pickles. Just come home,
grab whatever might be on the table. Eat. Try to sleep (many didn't even
have beds) and repeat.

On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 17:26:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 12:19:09 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2014-10-03 11:36 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >> >> I think I read she's looking for a job now, so dancing will be cut
> >> >> back eventually. At this point, it's good exercise and I hope she
> >> >> continues to be physically active.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > I thought she quit dancing? It's so hard to keep up since she never
> >> > talks about her kid. Heh.
> >> >
> >> She used to say she was a dancer. Then she said that she was "disabled".
> >> The current story seems to be that she is a dancer again. I have seen
> >> pictures of her. She looks more like a baton twirler in a marching band
> >> than a dancer. Not that there is anything wrong with that.... just
> >> saying that is not he lithe body of a dancer.
> >
> > You're thinking of dancing as being confined to ballet. From what I
> > understand, she is not doing ballet.
>
> Wrong. Ballet is the backbone at dance and if you want to get anywhere at
> her studio, you have to take that. She is taking ballet and assisting at
> tap.

OK. I can't keep up with the ever changing story. I thought you said
at one point she was clog dancing and I bought that story hook, line
and sinker.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 17:26:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 12:19:09 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2014-10-03 11:36 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> I think I read she's looking for a job now, so dancing will be cut
>> >> >> back eventually. At this point, it's good exercise and I hope she
>> >> >> continues to be physically active.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> > I thought she quit dancing? It's so hard to keep up since she never
>> >> > talks about her kid. Heh.
>> >> >
>> >> She used to say she was a dancer. Then she said that she was
>> >> "disabled".
>> >> The current story seems to be that she is a dancer again. I have seen
>> >> pictures of her. She looks more like a baton twirler in a marching
>> >> band
>> >> than a dancer. Not that there is anything wrong with that.... just
>> >> saying that is not he lithe body of a dancer.
>> >
>> > You're thinking of dancing as being confined to ballet. From what I
>> > understand, she is not doing ballet.
>>
>> Wrong. Ballet is the backbone at dance and if you want to get anywhere
>> at
>> her studio, you have to take that. She is taking ballet and assisting at
>> tap.
>
> OK. I can't keep up with the ever changing story. I thought you said
> at one point she was clog dancing and I bought that story hook, line
> and sinker.

She did that for part of one year at another studio. Then she had an
injury. I can't remember now if it was the stress fracture or the loose
vertebrae but had to stop all dance for that year. She didn't take it up
again because the other other person who was close to her age was not going
to be taking it the following year. Most of the others were about my age so
she opted not to do that.

She did the clogging in lieu of tap only because we couldn't find an
advanced enough class for her. And we haven't still, which is why she is
assisting. While she was clogging she also took ballet, jazz, lyrical,
contemporary, pre-pointe plus assorted private lessons. I want to say that
was the year when they did not offer stretch/strength due to lack of
interest and that was most likely then the loose vertebrae year.

She has *always* taken ballet except for the periods of time when injury
prevented dance. She has for years taken an extra, optional ballet class in
addition to her regular classes. This year it is only one ballet class and
one tap. Both really are just for fun because they are at lower levels than
what she has taken in the past. However there is a mix of levels in her
ballet class so how that will play out remains to be seen. She is the
oldest by far and most experienced tapper so she is assisting in that class.

Every year has been different. She also took swing. The only reasons she
is cutting back this year are that she has developed other interests, wants
to get a job and is working hard on getting good grades. So something has
to give. She isn't quitting. Just taking fewer classes.

On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 17:28:59 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>Each household runs differently. I *love* to cook!

Yeah... just as long as no effort is required.

In article >, says...


I also can not compare anything in my childhood to how things are
> today. Things are just not the same.

Despite which, every day you post screeds about what you did and your
mother did and family did when you were a child, comparing it to your
daughter's life now.

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> "Janet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > says...
> >>
> >> On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 07:51:17 -0400, jmcquown >
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> You don't have kids Jill. You don't know. I am *not* going to make
> >> >>> her
> >> >>> make her own dinner during the school year. She has a line on two
> >> >>> jobs. If
> >> >>> she gets one, she'll have even less time at home.
> >> >>
> >> >The fact that I don't have kids doesn't have a thing to do with it.
> >>
> >> It does in fact have much to do with it - anybody who has not had kids
> >> doesn't have a clue what it is like to have them, raise them, watch
> >> them.
> >
> > Pure crap. I can think of numerous childless people whose lives were
> > devoted to the expert and loving raising, watching and responsibility
> > for other peoples children; as extended family, paid houseparents,
> > foster parents, teachers.
>
> If they were raising the kids, that's different. Merely watching kids for a
> while? Not the same. Kids tend not to act the same as they do at home when
> someone else is watching them. And the person watching them is only doing
> it for a set amount of time.

Houseparents foster parents and teachers don't just "watch the kids
for a while".

> >
> > Very often those childless people were far better at every aspect of
> > raising kids, than the childrens' feckless, reckless and selfish natural
> > parents.
>
> Uh... Whatever that means.

Too many hard new words? Where's that dictionary.

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Janet" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> In article >,
> >> says...
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 07:51:17 -0400, jmcquown >
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> You don't have kids Jill. You don't know. I am *not* going to make
> >>> >>> her
> >>> >>> make her own dinner during the school year. She has a line on two
> >>> >>> jobs. If
> >>> >>> she gets one, she'll have even less time at home.
> >>> >>
> >>> >The fact that I don't have kids doesn't have a thing to do with it.
> >>>
> >>> It does in fact have much to do with it - anybody who has not had kids
> >>> doesn't have a clue what it is like to have them, raise them, watch
> >>> them.
> >>
> >> Pure crap. I can think of numerous childless people whose lives were
> >> devoted to the expert and loving raising, watching and responsibility
> >> for other peoples children; as extended family, paid houseparents,
> >> foster parents, teachers.
> >>
> >> Very often those childless people were far better at every aspect of
> >> raising kids, than the childrens' feckless, reckless and selfish natural
> >> parents.
> >>
> >> Janet UK
> >
> > Part time parenting is not the same as 24/7 for life.
>
> Correct.

Well, you've only parented one kid for a mere 16 years. That's pretty
part time to many of us far more experienced longterm parents. Get back
to us when you both grow up.

Janet UK

"Janet" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >, says...
>
>
> I also can not compare anything in my childhood to how things are
>> today. Things are just not the same.
>
> Despite which, every day you post screeds about what you did and your
> mother did and family did when you were a child, comparing it to your
> daughter's life now.

Uh, no. My mother doesn't eat taco sauce and neither does my daughter!

In article >, says...

> I just can't imagine having more than one kid. And not only just from the
> pregnancy and birthing aspects. Every one is different. My brother and I
> were and still are polar opposites. And three or more kids? I don't think
> I could do it.

That's blindingly obvious from the mess you're making of one.

Janet

"Janet" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > says...
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 07:51:17 -0400, jmcquown >
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> You don't have kids Jill. You don't know. I am *not* going to
>> >> >>> make
>> >> >>> her
>> >> >>> make her own dinner during the school year. She has a line on two
>> >> >>> jobs. If
>> >> >>> she gets one, she'll have even less time at home.
>> >> >>
>> >> >The fact that I don't have kids doesn't have a thing to do with it.
>> >>
>> >> It does in fact have much to do with it - anybody who has not had kids
>> >> doesn't have a clue what it is like to have them, raise them, watch
>> >> them.
>> >
>> > Pure crap. I can think of numerous childless people whose lives were
>> > devoted to the expert and loving raising, watching and responsibility
>> > for other peoples children; as extended family, paid houseparents,
>> > foster parents, teachers.
>>
>> If they were raising the kids, that's different. Merely watching kids
>> for a
>> while? Not the same. Kids tend not to act the same as they do at home
>> when
>> someone else is watching them. And the person watching them is only
>> doing
>> it for a set amount of time.
>
> Houseparents foster parents and teachers don't just "watch the kids
> for a while".
>
>> >
>> > Very often those childless people were far better at every aspect of
>> > raising kids, than the childrens' feckless, reckless and selfish
>> > natural
>> > parents.
>>
>> Uh... Whatever that means.
>
> Too many hard new words? Where's that dictionary.

No. We don't have "houseparents" here. Whatever that means. And a teacher
is not at all the same thing as a parent. A foster parent really isn't
either. I have read plenty of foster parent stories. Many from your own
country and other parts of the UK. Some are hideous and those foster
parents weren't very kind at all. In other cases, the child wasn't there
for more than a few weeks or months but the foster parent really had their
hands tied as to what they could do about some things because the real
parent's still were able to set some determinations. Such as what the child
wore. So really just not the same thing at all. Also, it would seem that
most kids that have to go into foster care are pretty well screwed up by the
time they get in there, either from neglect or abuse from their own parents.
Of course this is not always the case. Sometimes the parent just needs an
operation or some such thing and has no family member to care for the child
while they heal. But again a temporary situation.

"Janet" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "Janet" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> In article >,
>> >> says...
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 07:51:17 -0400, jmcquown >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> You don't have kids Jill. You don't know. I am *not* going to
>> >>> >>> make
>> >>> >>> her
>> >>> >>> make her own dinner during the school year. She has a line on
>> >>> >>> two
>> >>> >>> jobs. If
>> >>> >>> she gets one, she'll have even less time at home.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >The fact that I don't have kids doesn't have a thing to do with it.
>> >>>
>> >>> It does in fact have much to do with it - anybody who has not had
>> >>> kids
>> >>> doesn't have a clue what it is like to have them, raise them, watch
>> >>> them.
>> >>
>> >> Pure crap. I can think of numerous childless people whose lives were
>> >> devoted to the expert and loving raising, watching and responsibility
>> >> for other peoples children; as extended family, paid houseparents,
>> >> foster parents, teachers.
>> >>
>> >> Very often those childless people were far better at every aspect of
>> >> raising kids, than the childrens' feckless, reckless and selfish
>> >> natural
>> >> parents.
>> >>
>> >> Janet UK
>> >
>> > Part time parenting is not the same as 24/7 for life.
>>
>> Correct.
>
> Well, you've only parented one kid for a mere 16 years. That's pretty
> part time to many of us far more experienced longterm parents. Get back
> to us when you both grow up.

Do you see me going around giving parenting advice? No. *Any* advice? Not
usually. I do not claim to be an expert on anything or anyone. And no, I
don't want to hear your definition of "grow up". I don't consider *you* to
be an expert on anything.

On Friday, October 3, 2014 11:23:00 PM UTC-5, sf wrote:
>
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 17:26:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
> She is taking ballet and assisting at
> tap.
>
>
> OK. I can't keep up with the ever changing story. I thought you said
> at one point she was clog dancing and I bought that story hook, line
> and sinker.
>
>
She _did_ say the calf was clogging at one time. Just wait awhile and the story will change once again and then Moo-moo will claim she never said she was 'taking ballet and assisting at tap.'

Janet wrote:
>
> In article >, says...
>
> > I just can't imagine having more than one kid. And not only just from the
> > pregnancy and birthing aspects. Every one is different. My brother and I
> > were and still are polar opposites. And three or more kids? I don't think
> > I could do it.
>
> That's blindingly obvious from the mess you're making of one.

And having 3 kids or more? Imagine having to cook 5+ custom dinners
each night. arrgghh! ;-D

G.

Jeßus wrote:
>"Julie Bove" wrote:
>
>>I *love* to cook!
>
>Yeah... just as long as no effort is required.

Yeah, physical and mental.

On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 04:10:04 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Janet" > wrote in message
et...
>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > In article >,
>>> > says...
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 07:51:17 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> You don't have kids Jill. You don't know. I am *not* going to
>>> >> >>> make
>>> >> >>> her
>>> >> >>> make her own dinner during the school year. She has a line on two
>>> >> >>> jobs. If
>>> >> >>> she gets one, she'll have even less time at home.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >The fact that I don't have kids doesn't have a thing to do with it.
>>> >>
>>> >> It does in fact have much to do with it - anybody who has not had kids
>>> >> doesn't have a clue what it is like to have them, raise them, watch
>>> >> them.
>>> >
>>> > Pure crap. I can think of numerous childless people whose lives were
>>> > devoted to the expert and loving raising, watching and responsibility
>>> > for other peoples children; as extended family, paid houseparents,
>>> > foster parents, teachers.
>>>
>>> If they were raising the kids, that's different. Merely watching kids
>>> for a
>>> while? Not the same. Kids tend not to act the same as they do at home
>>> when
>>> someone else is watching them. And the person watching them is only
>>> doing
>>> it for a set amount of time.
>>
>> Houseparents foster parents and teachers don't just "watch the kids
>> for a while".
>>
>>> >
>>> > Very often those childless people were far better at every aspect of
>>> > raising kids, than the childrens' feckless, reckless and selfish
>>> > natural
>>> > parents.
>>>
>>> Uh... Whatever that means.
>>
>> Too many hard new words? Where's that dictionary.
>
>No. We don't have "houseparents" here. Whatever that means. And a teacher
>is not at all the same thing as a parent. A foster parent really isn't
>either. I have read plenty of foster parent stories. Many from your own
>country and other parts of the UK. Some are hideous and those foster
>parents weren't very kind at all. In other cases, the child wasn't there
>for more than a few weeks or months but the foster parent really had their
>hands tied as to what they could do about some things because the real
>parent's still were able to set some determinations. Such as what the child
>wore. So really just not the same thing at all. Also, it would seem that
>most kids that have to go into foster care are pretty well screwed up by the
>time they get in there, either from neglect or abuse from their own parents.
>Of course this is not always the case. Sometimes the parent just needs an
>operation or some such thing and has no family member to care for the child
>while they heal. But again a temporary situation.

The main difference is tending to kids for pay. A forth grade math
teacher who doesn't have children doesn't need to know how to raise
children, schools have guidance staff, kids who disrupt the class get
sent to the office, a teacher really only needs to know how to teach
their subject, not how to parent. There are plenty of people raising
their own children that do it all wrong (prisons are full to beyond
overflowing with those badly raised children), and there are plenty
who don't have their own children but raise other people's children,
some do well, some not. Still someone who has no children of their
own and hasn't raised other people's children hasn't a clue about the
day to day parenting of children... would be like a swimming
instructor who not only can't swim but is deathly ascared of the
water. Raising ones own child doesn't make one an expert in
parenting, but raising no children makes one an expert know nothing. I
don't play baseball, I don't watch baseball... I'd be a fool to join a
discussion about baseball.

On 10/4/2014 12:23 AM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 17:26:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> Wrong. Ballet is the backbone at dance and if you want to get anywhere at
>> her studio, you have to take that. She is taking ballet and assisting at
>> tap.
>
> OK. I can't keep up with the ever changing story. I thought you said
> at one point she was clog dancing and I bought that story hook, line
> and sinker.
>
>
How does one "assist" at tap dancing? Does she stand around saying
"shuffle, ball change"?

Jill

Gary wrote:
>Janet wrote:
>>juliebove says...
>>
>> > I just can't imagine having more than one kid. And not only just from the
>> > pregnancy and birthing aspects. Every one is different. My brother and I
>> > were and still are polar opposites. And three or more kids? I don't think
>> > I could do it.
>>
>> That's blindingly obvious from the mess you're making of one...

Even a barn cat can do a wonderful job of parenting ten... those ten
eat well, mama teaches them to hunt well... no miscreant complainers.
Barn cats are wonderful, very strong and extremely resourceful.

>And having 3 kids or more? Imagine having to cook 5+ custom dinners
>each night. arrgghh! ;-D

I fed 400 at my mess, was easy... and hardly anyone complained... in
fact the few who complained the most ate the most.

On Sat, 04 Oct 2014 16:12:19 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 10/4/2014 12:23 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 17:26:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Wrong. Ballet is the backbone at dance and if you want to get anywhere at
>>> her studio, you have to take that. She is taking ballet and assisting at
>>> tap.
>>
>> OK. I can't keep up with the ever changing story. I thought you said
>> at one point she was clog dancing and I bought that story hook, line
>> and sinker.
>>
>>
>How does one "assist" at tap dancing? Does she stand around saying
>"shuffle, ball change"?
>
>Jill
Awww, let's do the Buffalo
Janet US

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/4/2014 12:23 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 17:26:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Wrong. Ballet is the backbone at dance and if you want to get anywhere
>>> at
>>> her studio, you have to take that. She is taking ballet and assisting
>>> at
>>> tap.
>>
>> OK. I can't keep up with the ever changing story. I thought you said
>> at one point she was clog dancing and I bought that story hook, line
>> and sinker.
>>
>>
> How does one "assist" at tap dancing?

she wears the back end of the horse costume.

On 10/3/2014 11:55 PM, wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 14:33:33 -1000, dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>
>>> I have an older and younger brother. My older brother has no kids and
>>> he's always telling me what I should be doing with the kids. My younger
>>> brother has no kids either - he raises show dogs. He doesn't tell me how
>>> to raise my kids and I don't give him advice on raising champion
>>> dalmations.
>
>>
>> Having a shitload of kids is an old-school concept. My grandma had 11
>> and my wife had 1 sister and 5 brothers. The stock answer in Hawaii when
>> somebody says they had a lot of kids is "What, neva have TV set or what!"
>
> My mother was one of sixteen, only one did not marry and have kids. 28
> first cousins, only three of us were girls.
>

Back in the day, cousins were more a part of a kid's life than it is
now. That's too bad. I'd always see my cousins on weekends and during my
summer vacation.

On Sat, 04 Oct 2014 14:37:18 -0400, Brooklyn1
> wrote:

>Jeßus wrote:
>>"Julie Bove" wrote:
>>
>>>I *love* to cook!
>>
>>Yeah... just as long as no effort is required.
>
>Yeah, physical and mental.

Basically, yes.

"Pico Rico" > wrote in message
...
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 10/4/2014 12:23 AM, sf wrote:
>>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 17:26:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wrong. Ballet is the backbone at dance and if you want to get anywhere
>>>> at
>>>> her studio, you have to take that. She is taking ballet and assisting
>>>> at
>>>> tap.
>>>
>>> OK. I can't keep up with the ever changing story. I thought you said
>>> at one point she was clog dancing and I bought that story hook, line
>>> and sinker.
>>>
>>>
>> How does one "assist" at tap dancing?
>
> she wears the back end of the horse costume.


See, a post like this attacking a young girl proves that you have no
credibility in a child rearing discussion whatsoever, none. Is your real
name Alec Baldwin?

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Pico Rico" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 10/4/2014 12:23 AM, sf wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 17:26:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong. Ballet is the backbone at dance and if you want to get
>>>>> anywhere at
>>>>> her studio, you have to take that. She is taking ballet and assisting
>>>>> at
>>>>> tap.
>>>>
>>>> OK. I can't keep up with the ever changing story. I thought you said
>>>> at one point she was clog dancing and I bought that story hook, line
>>>> and sinker.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> How does one "assist" at tap dancing?
>>
>> she wears the back end of the horse costume.
>
>
> See, a post like this attacking a young girl proves that you have no
> credibility in a child rearing discussion whatsoever, none. Is your real
> name Alec Baldwin?
>
> Cheri
>

you are totally clueless.

"Pico Rico" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Pico Rico" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 10/4/2014 12:23 AM, sf wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 17:26:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong. Ballet is the backbone at dance and if you want to get
>>>>>> anywhere at
>>>>>> her studio, you have to take that. She is taking ballet and
>>>>>> assisting at
>>>>>> tap.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK. I can't keep up with the ever changing story. I thought you said
>>>>> at one point she was clog dancing and I bought that story hook, line
>>>>> and sinker.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> How does one "assist" at tap dancing?
>>>
>>> she wears the back end of the horse costume.
>>
>>
>> See, a post like this attacking a young girl proves that you have no
>> credibility in a child rearing discussion whatsoever, none. Is your real
>> name Alec Baldwin?
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>
> you are totally clueless.

Yep, I don't know a thing about attacking young teens. I was raised better
than that.

Cheri

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 04:10:04 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Janet" > wrote in message
. net...
>>> In article >, says...
>>>>
>>>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> > In article >,
>>>> > says...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Fri, 03 Oct 2014 07:51:17 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> You don't have kids Jill. You don't know. I am *not* going to
>>>> >> >>> make
>>>> >> >>> her
>>>> >> >>> make her own dinner during the school year. She has a line on
>>>> >> >>> two
>>>> >> >>> jobs. If
>>>> >> >>> she gets one, she'll have even less time at home.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >The fact that I don't have kids doesn't have a thing to do with it.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It does in fact have much to do with it - anybody who has not had
>>>> >> kids
>>>> >> doesn't have a clue what it is like to have them, raise them, watch
>>>> >> them.
>>>> >
>>>> > Pure crap. I can think of numerous childless people whose lives were
>>>> > devoted to the expert and loving raising, watching and responsibility
>>>> > for other peoples children; as extended family, paid houseparents,
>>>> > foster parents, teachers.
>>>>
>>>> If they were raising the kids, that's different. Merely watching kids
>>>> for a
>>>> while? Not the same. Kids tend not to act the same as they do at home
>>>> when
>>>> someone else is watching them. And the person watching them is only
>>>> doing
>>>> it for a set amount of time.
>>>
>>> Houseparents foster parents and teachers don't just "watch the kids
>>> for a while".
>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Very often those childless people were far better at every aspect of
>>>> > raising kids, than the childrens' feckless, reckless and selfish
>>>> > natural
>>>> > parents.
>>>>
>>>> Uh... Whatever that means.
>>>
>>> Too many hard new words? Where's that dictionary.
>>
>>No. We don't have "houseparents" here. Whatever that means. And a
>>teacher
>>is not at all the same thing as a parent. A foster parent really isn't
>>either. I have read plenty of foster parent stories. Many from your own
>>country and other parts of the UK. Some are hideous and those foster
>>parents weren't very kind at all. In other cases, the child wasn't there
>>for more than a few weeks or months but the foster parent really had their
>>hands tied as to what they could do about some things because the real
>>parent's still were able to set some determinations. Such as what the
>>child
>>wore. So really just not the same thing at all. Also, it would seem that
>>most kids that have to go into foster care are pretty well screwed up by
>>the
>>time they get in there, either from neglect or abuse from their own
>>parents.
>>Of course this is not always the case. Sometimes the parent just needs an
>>operation or some such thing and has no family member to care for the
>>child
>>while they heal. But again a temporary situation.
>
> The main difference is tending to kids for pay. A forth grade math
> teacher who doesn't have children doesn't need to know how to raise
> children, schools have guidance staff, kids who disrupt the class get
> sent to the office, a teacher really only needs to know how to teach
> their subject, not how to parent. There are plenty of people raising
> their own children that do it all wrong (prisons are full to beyond
> overflowing with those badly raised children), and there are plenty
> who don't have their own children but raise other people's children,
> some do well, some not. Still someone who has no children of their
> own and hasn't raised other people's children hasn't a clue about the
> day to day parenting of children... would be like a swimming
> instructor who not only can't swim but is deathly ascared of the
> water. Raising ones own child doesn't make one an expert in
> parenting, but raising no children makes one an expert know nothing. I
> don't play baseball, I don't watch baseball... I'd be a fool to join a
> discussion about baseball.

Yep!

> wrote in message
...
> On Friday, October 3, 2014 11:23:00 PM UTC-5, sf wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 17:26:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>
>> She is taking ballet and assisting at
>> tap.
>>
>>
>> OK. I can't keep up with the ever changing story. I thought you said
>> at one point she was clog dancing and I bought that story hook, line
>> and sinker.
>>
>>
> She _did_ say the calf was clogging at one time. Just wait awhile and
> the story will change once again and then Moo-moo will claim she never
> said she was 'taking ballet and assisting at tap.'

The calf? You are one nasty piece of work.

She is currently signed up for the two classes that I said. I will not say
that things won't change. Things always can change. Except it seems for
the lives of many of the others here. They are stuck in such sameness that
they can't fathom anything else, apparently.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 10/4/2014 12:23 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Oct 2014 17:26:19 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Wrong. Ballet is the backbone at dance and if you want to get anywhere
>>> at
>>> her studio, you have to take that. She is taking ballet and assisting
>>> at
>>> tap.
>>
>> OK. I can't keep up with the ever changing story. I thought you said
>> at one point she was clog dancing and I bought that story hook, line
>> and sinker.
>>
>>
> How does one "assist" at tap dancing? Does she stand around saying
> "shuffle, ball change"?

They're way beyond the shuffle ball change state. And you assist by
demonstrating and taking over the class when the teacher isn't there.