http://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=11658&btw=1

On Friday, August 22, 2014 8:14:08 AM UTC-7, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> http://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=11658&btw=1

yes. real. plain. full fat. nothing added yogurt. not that easy to find with all the crap out there pretending to be yogurt.

"ImStillMags" > wrote in message
...
> On Friday, August 22, 2014 8:14:08 AM UTC-7, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> http://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=11658&btw=1
>
> yes. real. plain. full fat. nothing added yogurt. not that easy to
> find with all the crap out there pretending to be yogurt.

I love Stonyfield.

Cheri

On Friday, August 22, 2014 10:31:41 AM UTC-5, ImStillMags wrote:
> On Friday, August 22, 2014 8:14:08 AM UTC-7, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> > http://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=11658&btw=1
>
>
>
> yes. real. plain. full fat. nothing added yogurt. not that easy to find with all the crap out there pretending to be yogurt.

I make my own, using a large slow cooker, a temperature probe, and a switch
like this one--
http://www.davis.com/Product/Tempera..._F/YX-93520-12

I use this milk from the dollar store--
http://www.gossner.com/home/gossner/...pageid=3&mid=2

Before fermenting, the milk tastes like canned (evap) milk. In other words,
crappy, but after 36 hours, it's really good. Chill it, and add a quart of
it and a pint of blueberries, plus whatever sweetener (I use pure sucralose)
to the blender, and you have a nice probiotic beverage. You can use whatever
bacteria you choose for the starter. See below:

"Best yet: Align is a drug store item with a list price of $30 for 28 capsules. Use 1 capsule to make 33 oz. of starter then use 1½ oz. (22 times) of the starter to make 22 more containers of 33 oz.; reserve 1 for the next starter. If you limit it to 6 generations, each capsule will make 127 one quart eating containers plus 6 starter containers (28 capsules = 3556 + 168). 8 oz. of 24 hour cultured milk product is equivalent to taking about 10 capsules of Align."
source-- http://www.ibsgroup.org/forums/topic...ogurt-at-home/

--Bryan

"ImStillMags" > wrote in message
...
> On Friday, August 22, 2014 8:14:08 AM UTC-7, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> http://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=11658&btw=1
>
> yes. real. plain. full fat. nothing added yogurt. not that easy to
> find with all the crap out there pretending to be yogurt.

Indeed!

I once had a nurse tell me to eat yogurt when I had to take antibiotics.
When I told her that I hated yogurt, she told me to eat cottage cheese.
Clueless!

On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 22:11:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> I once had a nurse tell me to eat yogurt when I had to take antibiotics.
> When I told her that I hated yogurt, she told me to eat cottage cheese.
> Clueless!

What could she have suggested that you might have liked?


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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 22:11:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> I once had a nurse tell me to eat yogurt when I had to take antibiotics.
>> When I told her that I hated yogurt, she told me to eat cottage cheese.
>> Clueless!
>
> What could she have suggested that you might have liked?

You totally missed the point. The reason she should have suggested yogurt
was for the lactobacillus, a probiotic that not all yogurt has. To tell
someone merely to eat yogurt was rather shoddy advice. Unless they bought
the plain kind with the live cultures, all they would be doing was making
the problem worse. There are no such probiotics in cottage cheese at all.
So for her to say that is laughable. Clearly she thought that it had just
something to do with eating dairy. It doesn't. This was in the late 80's so
I don't know if probiotic pills were available at that time. Those would
have been even better for use with an antibiotic because to get enough to
counteract an antibiotic, you'd have to eat tons of yogurt.

On 8/23/2014 1:31 AM, sf wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 22:11:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> I once had a nurse tell me to eat yogurt when I had to take antibiotics.
>> When I told her that I hated yogurt, she told me to eat cottage cheese.
>> Clueless!
>
> What could she have suggested that you might have liked?

The nurse didn't know yet that she was in a no-win conversation.
I bet she figured it out pretty fast.

nancy

On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 23:24:21 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 22:11:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> I once had a nurse tell me to eat yogurt when I had to take antibiotics.
> >> When I told her that I hated yogurt, she told me to eat cottage cheese.
> >> Clueless!
> >
> > What could she have suggested that you might have liked?
>
> You totally missed the point.

I understood the point you were trying to make - I asked you a
straightforward question.

> The reason she should have suggested yogurt
> was for the lactobacillus, a probiotic that not all yogurt has. To tell
> someone merely to eat yogurt was rather shoddy advice. Unless they bought
> the plain kind with the live cultures, all they would be doing was making
> the problem worse. There are no such probiotics in cottage cheese at all.

Most people would have eaten the yogurt whether they liked it or not
simply because it was good for their gut. The question still stands.
What would you have agreed to eat for probiotic purposes that was
commonly available back then?

> So for her to say that is laughable. Clearly she thought that it had just
> something to do with eating dairy. It doesn't. This was in the late 80's so
> I don't know if probiotic pills were available at that time. Those would
> have been even better for use with an antibiotic because to get enough to
> counteract an antibiotic, you'd have to eat tons of yogurt.

I think the was the end of a long whiney session where she concluded
you'd have a negative answer for every suggestion and she just wanted
you out of there.


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On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 08:26:44 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

> On 8/23/2014 1:31 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 22:11:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> I once had a nurse tell me to eat yogurt when I had to take antibiotics.
> >> When I told her that I hated yogurt, she told me to eat cottage cheese.
> >> Clueless!
> >
> > What could she have suggested that you might have liked?
>
> The nurse didn't know yet that she was in a no-win conversation.
> I bet she figured it out pretty fast.
>



--
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 23:24:21 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 22:11:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I once had a nurse tell me to eat yogurt when I had to take antibiotics.
>>> When I told her that I hated yogurt, she told me to eat cottage cheese.
>>> Clueless!
>>
>> What could she have suggested that you might have liked?
>
>You totally missed the point. The reason she should have suggested yogurt
>was for the lactobacillus, a probiotic that not all yogurt has. To tell
>someone merely to eat yogurt was rather shoddy advice. Unless they bought
>the plain kind with the live cultures, all they would be doing was making
>the problem worse. There are no such probiotics in cottage cheese at all.
>So for her to say that is laughable. Clearly she thought that it had just
>something to do with eating dairy. It doesn't. This was in the late 80's so
>I don't know if probiotic pills were available at that time. Those would
>have been even better for use with an antibiotic because to get enough to
>counteract an antibiotic, you'd have to eat tons of yogurt.

Get over it, Julie! Get over yourself! Yeah, we get it. Dump the
useless memory and get on with your life!
Janet US

On 8/23/2014 1:05 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 23:24:21 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 22:11:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I once had a nurse tell me to eat yogurt when I had to take antibiotics.
>>>> When I told her that I hated yogurt, she told me to eat cottage cheese.
>>>> Clueless!
>>>
>>> What could she have suggested that you might have liked?
>>
>> You totally missed the point. The reason she should have suggested yogurt
>> was for the lactobacillus, a probiotic
(snippage)
>
> Get over it, Julie! Get over yourself! Yeah, we get it. Dump the
> useless memory and get on with your life!
> Janet US
>
Acidophilus milk has been around for decades. So has buttermilk. They
both contain lactobacillus. But Julie doesn't believe in drinking milk.
She doesn't think children should drink milk... energy drinks, yes,
milk, no. (I wonder what she thinks breasts are for. Shut up, Sheldon!
LOL)

She probably has some unidentified intolerance to it. WHATEVER! Yogurt
and pills isn't the only way to get lactobacillus into your system.
Sour cream contains lactobacillus. Given she likes so much "Mexican"
food, using sour cream shouldn't have been a hardship.

As others have said, the nurse was probably just stuck in an infinite "I
don't like it loop" and wanted to get the hell out of there.

Jill

On Saturday, August 23, 2014 1:24:21 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 22:11:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
> > > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> I once had a nurse tell me to eat yogurt when I had to take antibiotics.
>
> >> When I told her that I hated yogurt, she told me to eat cottage cheese.
>
> >> Clueless!
>
> >
>
> > What could she have suggested that you might have liked?
>
>
>
> You totally missed the point. The reason she should have suggested yogurt
>
> was for the lactobacillus, a probiotic that not all yogurt has. To tell
>
> someone merely to eat yogurt was rather shoddy advice. Unless they bought
>
> the plain kind with the live cultures, all they would be doing was making
>
> the problem worse.

You ****ing stupid woman, you don't have a clue. You find me any yogurt on
the market that doesn't have live cultures. and Lactobacillus is only one of
quite a few different genera for probiotic effects. Also, flavoring yogurt
does not kill the bacteria, so you don't have to use "the plain kind."

> There are no such probiotics in cottage cheese at all.
>
> So for her to say that is laughable. Clearly she thought that it had just
>
> something to do with eating dairy. It doesn't. This was in the late 80's so
>
> I don't know if probiotic pills were available at that time. Those would
>
> have been even better for use with an antibiotic because to get enough to
>
> counteract an antibiotic, you'd have to eat tons of yogurt.

Again, you are ****ing stupid. Cultured milk is better than the pills because
the bacteria are already active, not dormant.

You should STFU about stuff you don't know about, like probiotics. That icky
tasting UHT milk that your family likes has one good use, making cultured
probiotic stuff. You can inoculate it with whatever strains you wish. I have
a glass of it every morning, followed by a large glass of cold water. It
tastes good because I flavor and sweeten it, but even if I didn't, it's not
horrible, and you chase it right away. Some of your intestinal ailments might
be improved if you did it as well, but you won't because you're stupid. Prove
me incorrect.

--Bryan

On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 23:24:21 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 22:11:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I once had a nurse tell me to eat yogurt when I had to take antibiotics.
>>> When I told her that I hated yogurt, she told me to eat cottage cheese.
>>> Clueless!
>>
>> What could she have suggested that you might have liked?
>
>You totally missed the point.

Gold.

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 11:05:31 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> wrote:

>On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 23:24:21 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"sf" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 22:11:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I once had a nurse tell me to eat yogurt when I had to take antibiotics.
>>>> When I told her that I hated yogurt, she told me to eat cottage cheese.
>>>> Clueless!
>>>
>>> What could she have suggested that you might have liked?
>>
>>You totally missed the point. The reason she should have suggested yogurt
>>was for the lactobacillus, a probiotic that not all yogurt has. To tell
>>someone merely to eat yogurt was rather shoddy advice. Unless they bought
>>the plain kind with the live cultures, all they would be doing was making
>>the problem worse. There are no such probiotics in cottage cheese at all.
>>So for her to say that is laughable. Clearly she thought that it had just
>>something to do with eating dairy. It doesn't. This was in the late 80's so
>>I don't know if probiotic pills were available at that time. Those would
>>have been even better for use with an antibiotic because to get enough to
>>counteract an antibiotic, you'd have to eat tons of yogurt.
>
>Get over it, Julie! Get over yourself! Yeah, we get it. Dump the
>useless memory and get on with your life!

Where's the fun in that??

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/23/2014 1:31 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 22:11:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I once had a nurse tell me to eat yogurt when I had to take antibiotics.
>>> When I told her that I hated yogurt, she told me to eat cottage cheese.
>>> Clueless!
>>
>> What could she have suggested that you might have liked?
>
> The nurse didn't know yet that she was in a no-win conversation.
> I bet she figured it out pretty fast.

And you missed the point too. There is absolutely no point in eating most
yogurt and especially not cottage cheese when taking an antibiotic. It is
the probiotics that you need in plain yogurt but only the kind with the
active cultures in it.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 23:24:21 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 22:11:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I once had a nurse tell me to eat yogurt when I had to take
>> >> antibiotics.
>> >> When I told her that I hated yogurt, she told me to eat cottage
>> >> cheese.
>> >> Clueless!
>> >
>> > What could she have suggested that you might have liked?
>>
>> You totally missed the point.
>
> I understood the point you were trying to make - I asked you a
> straightforward question.

No, it was a rather convoluted one. I don't think there was any other food
on the market at that point in time that had probiotics in it. I do like
cottage cheese and I did eat it back then because I did not know that dairy
was causing problems for me. These days you can actually get drinks and
chews and things that have probiotics in them if for some reason you can't
or don't want to take the pills.
>
>> The reason she should have suggested yogurt
>> was for the lactobacillus, a probiotic that not all yogurt has. To tell
>> someone merely to eat yogurt was rather shoddy advice. Unless they
>> bought
>> the plain kind with the live cultures, all they would be doing was making
>> the problem worse. There are no such probiotics in cottage cheese at
>> all.
>
> Most people would have eaten the yogurt whether they liked it or not
> simply because it was good for their gut. The question still stands.
> What would you have agreed to eat for probiotic purposes that was
> commonly available back then?

Again, you missed the point. Yogurt is not in and of itself good for the
gut. Only yogurts with live cultures are good for that. And the kind of
yogurt that most people eat is not that kind. It also doesn't contain
enough probiotics to be very effective so you are far better off to take it
as a supplement. When I began having problems in the hospital, they made me
take a powder form three times a day. It had to be mixed into something. I
mixed it with applesauce and it did make the applesauce pretty gaggy. I
would have much preferred a pill but they had none and I was really
suffering. I won't get into why as that would be TMI.
>
>> So for her to say that is laughable. Clearly she thought that it had
>> just
>> something to do with eating dairy. It doesn't. This was in the late 80's
>> so
>> I don't know if probiotic pills were available at that time. Those would
>> have been even better for use with an antibiotic because to get enough to
>> counteract an antibiotic, you'd have to eat tons of yogurt.
>
> I think the was the end of a long whiney session where she concluded
> you'd have a negative answer for every suggestion and she just wanted
> you out of there.

No. There was no long whiny session at all. I concluded that the nurse was
clueless and I wasn't going to listen to anything else that she had to say.
I had another nurse tell me that diabetics should eat plenty of soup and
fruit. That was just about as useful as telling someone to eat yogurt.

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 23:24:21 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"sf" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 22:11:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I once had a nurse tell me to eat yogurt when I had to take
>>>> antibiotics.
>>>> When I told her that I hated yogurt, she told me to eat cottage cheese.
>>>> Clueless!
>>>
>>> What could she have suggested that you might have liked?
>>
>>You totally missed the point. The reason she should have suggested yogurt
>>was for the lactobacillus, a probiotic that not all yogurt has. To tell
>>someone merely to eat yogurt was rather shoddy advice. Unless they bought
>>the plain kind with the live cultures, all they would be doing was making
>>the problem worse. There are no such probiotics in cottage cheese at all.
>>So for her to say that is laughable. Clearly she thought that it had just
>>something to do with eating dairy. It doesn't. This was in the late 80's
>>so
>>I don't know if probiotic pills were available at that time. Those would
>>have been even better for use with an antibiotic because to get enough to
>>counteract an antibiotic, you'd have to eat tons of yogurt.
>
> Get over it, Julie! Get over yourself! Yeah, we get it. Dump the
> useless memory and get on with your life!
> Janet US

What in the hell is your problem? Other people get into thread drift. Why
can't I? And it seems that everyone is missing the point here. This has
absolutely nothing to do with what I like and dislike and everything to do
with giving bad medical advice. I was not the only one to point out here
that not all yogurt is the same.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/23/2014 1:05 PM, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 23:24:21 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 22:11:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I once had a nurse tell me to eat yogurt when I had to take
>>>>> antibiotics.
>>>>> When I told her that I hated yogurt, she told me to eat cottage
>>>>> cheese.
>>>>> Clueless!
>>>>
>>>> What could she have suggested that you might have liked?
>>>
>>> You totally missed the point. The reason she should have suggested
>>> yogurt
>>> was for the lactobacillus, a probiotic
> (snippage)
>>
>> Get over it, Julie! Get over yourself! Yeah, we get it. Dump the
>> useless memory and get on with your life!
>> Janet US
>>
> Acidophilus milk has been around for decades. So has buttermilk. They
> both contain lactobacillus. But Julie doesn't believe in drinking milk.
> She doesn't think children should drink milk... energy drinks, yes, milk,
> no. (I wonder what she thinks breasts are for. Shut up, Sheldon! LOL)

I don't know if they do or they don't. And this is the first that I have
heard of acidophilus milk. Lemme look this up. The first mention I see of
acidophilus milk is 1983. And it does say that buttermilk has it. But both
of those things are moot points since the very Dr. I was seeing at the time
told me to stop drinking milk when I was 16. It was giving me serious
stomach issues and causing acne. My face cleared up after I stopped
drinking it and my stomach got some better. I was still eating some cheese
because I had not made the connection yet that it was all dairy that was
causing me a problem and of course there were other problematic foods that I
was still eating at that point in time.

But... None of these foods are usually enough to help to balance out an
antibiotic. You'd have to consume tons of them. Much easier when taking a
pill. Plus, I was being treated for a sinus infection at the time and dairy
products are best avoided with sinus problems as they are mucous producing.
>
> She probably has some unidentified intolerance to it. WHATEVER! Yogurt
> and pills isn't the only way to get lactobacillus into your system. Sour
> cream contains lactobacillus. Given she likes so much "Mexican" food,
> using sour cream shouldn't have been a hardship.

I do not eat *any* dairy, even. I have a severe dislike for sour cream and
even when I did eat dairy, I wouldn't eat anything with it in there. And
true Mexican food does not use sour cream.
>
> As others have said, the nurse was probably just stuck in an infinite "I
> don't like it loop" and wanted to get the hell out of there.

All of you here are missing the point. To tell someone to eat yogurt when
taking an antibiotic to prevent a yeast infection is just plain poor medical
advice.

"Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
...
> On Saturday, August 23, 2014 1:24:21 AM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 22:11:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> >> I once had a nurse tell me to eat yogurt when I had to take
>> >> antibiotics.
>>
>> >> When I told her that I hated yogurt, she told me to eat cottage
>> >> cheese.
>>
>> >> Clueless!
>>
>> >
>>
>> > What could she have suggested that you might have liked?
>>
>>
>>
>> You totally missed the point. The reason she should have suggested
>> yogurt
>>
>> was for the lactobacillus, a probiotic that not all yogurt has. To tell
>>
>> someone merely to eat yogurt was rather shoddy advice. Unless they
>> bought
>>
>> the plain kind with the live cultures, all they would be doing was making
>>
>> the problem worse.
>
> You ****ing stupid woman, you don't have a clue. You find me any yogurt
> on
> the market that doesn't have live cultures. and Lactobacillus is only one
> of
> quite a few different genera for probiotic effects. Also, flavoring
> yogurt
> does not kill the bacteria, so you don't have to use "the plain kind."
>
>> There are no such probiotics in cottage cheese at all.
>>
>> So for her to say that is laughable. Clearly she thought that it had
>> just
>>
>> something to do with eating dairy. It doesn't. This was in the late 80's
>> so
>>
>> I don't know if probiotic pills were available at that time. Those would
>>
>> have been even better for use with an antibiotic because to get enough to
>>
>> counteract an antibiotic, you'd have to eat tons of yogurt.
>
> Again, you are ****ing stupid. Cultured milk is better than the pills
> because
> the bacteria are already active, not dormant.
>
> You should STFU about stuff you don't know about, like probiotics. That
> icky
> tasting UHT milk that your family likes has one good use, making cultured
> probiotic stuff. You can inoculate it with whatever strains you wish. I
> have
> a glass of it every morning, followed by a large glass of cold water. It
> tastes good because I flavor and sweeten it, but even if I didn't, it's
> not
> horrible, and you chase it right away. Some of your intestinal ailments
> might
> be improved if you did it as well, but you won't because you're stupid.
> Prove
> me incorrect.
>
> --Bryan

I am not going to shut up. The Drs. that we see at the time do not advise
the eating of any dairy whatever the case may be to counteract an
antibiotic. There just isn't enough of good stuff in there for it to work.
They have us take high doses of probiotics then. I was taking it three
times a day while in the hospital.

My family doesn't drink much milk at all which is why I buy it that way. My
husband will drink it if I have baked goods and that would be not often.
And once in a while they'll have a bowl of cereal. Believe me, drinking
milk or eating any dairy would only add to my intestinal problems. My
current intestinal ailments have only to do with my gastroparesis. That is
caused by diabetes. I am very careful not to eat anything that might make
me sick.

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:06:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> All of you here are missing the point. To tell someone to eat yogurt when
> taking an antibiotic to prevent a yeast infection is just plain poor medical
> advice.

That was standard advice back in 1983.


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Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 21:56:50 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> And it seems that everyone is missing the point here. This has
> absolutely nothing to do with what I like and dislike and everything to do
> with giving bad medical advice. I was not the only one to point out here
> that not all yogurt is the same.

Nobody is missing any point. We all know you can't/won't eat this or
that and you wouldn't eat the yogurt because you said you didn't
*like* it, not because it wasn't good for you. Even way back in 1983,
we knew which yogurt had live cultures (plain Danon) and which didn't
because we knew how to read labels. Someone telling you to eat
cottage cheese was an obvious blow off.


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Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On 8/24/2014 12:55 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> No. There was no long whiny session at all. I concluded that the nurse
> was clueless and I wasn't going to listen to anything else that she had
> to say. I had another nurse tell me that diabetics should eat plenty of
> soup and fruit. That was just about as useful as telling someone to eat
> yogurt.

Diabetics should eat soup? Did she tell you what kind of soup?

Jill

On 8/24/2014 7:48 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:06:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> All of you here are missing the point. To tell someone to eat yogurt when
>> taking an antibiotic to prevent a yeast infection is just plain poor medical
>> advice.
>
> That was standard advice back in 1983.
>
>
It's certainly standard advice for probiotics. Yogurt is all the rage,
I'm getting sick of the John Stamos and Jamie Lee Curtis commercials
about yogurt. I'd eat if if I had to, but not that sugar laden stuff.

I often cook with plain yogurt. Sometimes I substitute plain yogurt for
sour cream. It depends on what I have on hand. And hey, yes, it's got
active cultures. Lactobacillus. This stuff was around years before
they started bandying about the term "probiotics" in advertising.

Jill

On Saturday, August 23, 2014 11:49:34 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On 8/23/2014 1:31 AM, sf wrote:
>
> >> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 22:11:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
> >> > wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>> I once had a nurse tell me to eat yogurt when I had to take antibiotics.
>
> >>> When I told her that I hated yogurt, she told me to eat cottage cheese.
>
> >>> Clueless!
>
> >>
>
> >> What could she have suggested that you might have liked?
>
> >
>
> > The nurse didn't know yet that she was in a no-win conversation.
>
> > I bet she figured it out pretty fast.
>
>
>
> And you missed the point too. There is absolutely no point in eating most
>
> yogurt and especially not cottage cheese when taking an antibiotic. It is
>
> the probiotics that you need in plain yogurt but only the kind with the
>
> active cultures in it.

Stupid, stupid woman. It has finally gotten to the point where almost
everyone here realizes that you are a worthless excuse for a human being.

You are a piece of genetic refuse, a mistake of nature, and you think you
know things that you don't.

What you're claiming is that most yogurt is worthless because it doesn't
have live cultures, which is bullshit. Pretty much ALL yogurt has active
cultures, and it has nothing to do with the yogurt being "plain." Why
can't you wrap your defective mind around that?

--Bryan

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 08:04:14 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/24/2014 7:48 AM, sf wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:06:31 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> All of you here are missing the point. To tell someone to eat yogurt when
>>> taking an antibiotic to prevent a yeast infection is just plain poor medical
>>> advice.
>>
>> That was standard advice back in 1983.
>>
>>
>It's certainly standard advice for probiotics. Yogurt is all the rage,
>I'm getting sick of the John Stamos and Jamie Lee Curtis commercials
>about yogurt. I'd eat if if I had to, but not that sugar laden stuff.
>
>I often cook with plain yogurt. Sometimes I substitute plain yogurt for
>sour cream. It depends on what I have on hand. And hey, yes, it's got
>active cultures. Lactobacillus. This stuff was around years before
>they started bandying about the term "probiotics" in advertising.
>
>Jill
Don't most of them come with 6 active cultures?
Janet US

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 05:31:19 -0700 (PDT), Bryan-TGWWW
> wrote:

> Pretty much ALL yogurt has active
> cultures, and it has nothing to do with the yogurt being "plain." Why
> can't you wrap your defective mind around that?

Back in the 80s, you couldn't make yogurt using a starter that had
been heat-treated, stabilized (usually with gelatin) or flavored - so
we bought *plain* Dannon to use. Everybody wants live and active
cultures now, so they can look for the Live & Active Cultures seal on
the package to be sure. We didn't have that crutch back in the '80s,
but I still wouldn't use anything other than plain to make another
batch of yogurt.


--
Avoid cutting yourself when slicing vegetables by getting someone else to hold them.

On 8/24/2014 11:24 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 11:05:31 -0600, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 23:24:21 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 22:11:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I once had a nurse tell me to eat yogurt when I had to take antibiotics.
>>>>> When I told her that I hated yogurt, she told me to eat cottage cheese.
>>>>> Clueless!
>>>>
>>>> What could she have suggested that you might have liked?
>>>
>>> You totally missed the point. The reason she should have suggested yogurt
>>> was for the lactobacillus, a probiotic that not all yogurt has. To tell
>>> someone merely to eat yogurt was rather shoddy advice. Unless they bought
>>> the plain kind with the live cultures, all they would be doing was making
>>> the problem worse. There are no such probiotics in cottage cheese at all.
>>> So for her to say that is laughable. Clearly she thought that it had just
>>> something to do with eating dairy. It doesn't. This was in the late 80's so
>>> I don't know if probiotic pills were available at that time. Those would
>>> have been even better for use with an antibiotic because to get enough to
>>> counteract an antibiotic, you'd have to eat tons of yogurt.
>>
>> Get over it, Julie! Get over yourself! Yeah, we get it. Dump the
>> useless memory and get on with your life!
>> Janet US
>
> Piggybacking due to killfile, but it doesn't appear anybody has called
> Julie on it: Cottage Cheese is an excellent source of probiotics.
>
> Dumb bitch.
>
> -sw
>

Tsk...more abusive language from the resident woman-hater...

On 8/23/2014 2:11 PM, Jeßus wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Aug 2014 11:05:31 -0600, Janet Bostwick
> > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 23:24:21 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 22:11:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I once had a nurse tell me to eat yogurt when I had to take antibiotics.
>>>>> When I told her that I hated yogurt, she told me to eat cottage cheese.
>>>>> Clueless!
>>>>
>>>> What could she have suggested that you might have liked?
>>>
>>> You totally missed the point. The reason she should have suggested yogurt
>>> was for the lactobacillus, a probiotic that not all yogurt has. To tell
>>> someone merely to eat yogurt was rather shoddy advice. Unless they bought
>>> the plain kind with the live cultures, all they would be doing was making
>>> the problem worse. There are no such probiotics in cottage cheese at all.
>>> So for her to say that is laughable. Clearly she thought that it had just
>>> something to do with eating dairy. It doesn't. This was in the late 80's so
>>> I don't know if probiotic pills were available at that time. Those would
>>> have been even better for use with an antibiotic because to get enough to
>>> counteract an antibiotic, you'd have to eat tons of yogurt.
>>
>> Get over it, Julie! Get over yourself! Yeah, we get it. Dump the
>> useless memory and get on with your life!
>
> Where's the fun in that??
>
Don't you have some rabbits to kill?

"Bryan-TGWWW" > wrote in message
...
> On Saturday, August 23, 2014 11:49:34 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > On 8/23/2014 1:31 AM, sf wrote:
>>
>> >> On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 22:11:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>
>> >> > wrote:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>> I once had a nurse tell me to eat yogurt when I had to take
>> >>> antibiotics.
>>
>> >>> When I told her that I hated yogurt, she told me to eat cottage
>> >>> cheese.
>>
>> >>> Clueless!
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> What could she have suggested that you might have liked?
>>
>> >
>>
>> > The nurse didn't know yet that she was in a no-win conversation.
>>
>> > I bet she figured it out pretty fast.
>>
>>
>>
>> And you missed the point too. There is absolutely no point in eating
>> most
>>
>> yogurt and especially not cottage cheese when taking an antibiotic. It
>> is
>>
>> the probiotics that you need in plain yogurt but only the kind with the
>>
>> active cultures in it.
>
> Stupid, stupid woman. It has finally gotten to the point where almost
> everyone here realizes that you are a worthless excuse for a human being.
>
> You are a piece of genetic refuse, a mistake of nature, and you think you
> know things that you don't.
>
> What you're claiming is that most yogurt is worthless because it doesn't
> have live cultures, which is bullshit. Pretty much ALL yogurt has active
> cultures, and it has nothing to do with the yogurt being "plain." Why
> can't you wrap your defective mind around that?
>
> --Bryan

And back in the KF you go!

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 05:31:19 -0700 (PDT), Bryan-TGWWW
> > wrote:
>
>> Pretty much ALL yogurt has active
>> cultures, and it has nothing to do with the yogurt being "plain." Why
>> can't you wrap your defective mind around that?
>
> Back in the 80s, you couldn't make yogurt using a starter that had
> been heat-treated, stabilized (usually with gelatin) or flavored - so
> we bought *plain* Dannon to use. Everybody wants live and active
> cultures now, so they can look for the Live & Active Cultures seal on
> the package to be sure. We didn't have that crutch back in the '80s,
> but I still wouldn't use anything other than plain to make another
> batch of yogurt.
>
Even now, not all of it has those cultures. Some stores sell really cheap,
fruit flavored stuff and it does not. In the 80's, I don't think any of it
was labeled as such and I am pretty sure that the fruity stuff did not.
They also made something called Kissel. No longer being made. My nephew
ate the chocolate flavor. There was not nearly the amount of variety of
yogurt available then that there is now.

But bottom line, the Drs. that we see now tell us that no yogurt would be
enough to ward off the problems that antibiotic can cause and the only way
to counteract that is to take the pills.

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:58:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>Even now, not all of it has those cultures. Some stores sell really cheap,
>fruit flavored stuff and it does not. In the 80's, I don't think any of it
>was labeled as such and I am pretty sure that the fruity stuff did not.
>They also made something called Kissel. No longer being made. My nephew
>ate the chocolate flavor. There was not nearly the amount of variety of
>yogurt available then that there is now.
>
>But bottom line, the Drs. that we see now tell us that no yogurt would be
>enough to ward off the problems that antibiotic can cause and the only way
>to counteract that is to take the pills.

The last time my DH was on antibiotics (for a gum infection) he was
told to eat Activia yogurt to alleviate the digestive issues caused by
the antibiotic. It worked really well. He didn't need to take any of
the probiotic pills.

Doris

"Doris Night" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:58:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>Even now, not all of it has those cultures. Some stores sell really
>>cheap,
>>fruit flavored stuff and it does not. In the 80's, I don't think any of
>>it
>>was labeled as such and I am pretty sure that the fruity stuff did not.
>>They also made something called Kissel. No longer being made. My nephew
>>ate the chocolate flavor. There was not nearly the amount of variety of
>>yogurt available then that there is now.
>>
>>But bottom line, the Drs. that we see now tell us that no yogurt would be
>>enough to ward off the problems that antibiotic can cause and the only way
>>to counteract that is to take the pills.
>
> The last time my DH was on antibiotics (for a gum infection) he was
> told to eat Activia yogurt to alleviate the digestive issues caused by
> the antibiotic. It worked really well. He didn't need to take any of
> the probiotic pills.

This wasn't for digestive issues but ones of a fungal nature. And for that
you need a much higher dose. Plus I was taking the antibiotics for a sinus
infection and you shouldn't eat dairy with sinus problems as it produces
more mucous.

On Sunday, August 24, 2014 7:47:27 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Doris Night" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:58:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
> > > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >>Even now, not all of it has those cultures. Some stores sell really
>
> >>cheap,
>
> >>fruit flavored stuff and it does not. In the 80's, I don't think any of
>
> >>it
>
> >>was labeled as such and I am pretty sure that the fruity stuff did not.
>
> >>They also made something called Kissel. No longer being made. My nephew
>
> >>ate the chocolate flavor. There was not nearly the amount of variety of
>
> >>yogurt available then that there is now.
>
> >>
>
> >>But bottom line, the Drs. that we see now tell us that no yogurt would be
>
> >>enough to ward off the problems that antibiotic can cause and the only way
>
> >>to counteract that is to take the pills.
>
> >
>
> > The last time my DH was on antibiotics (for a gum infection) he was
>
> > told to eat Activia yogurt to alleviate the digestive issues caused by
>
> > the antibiotic. It worked really well. He didn't need to take any of
>
> > the probiotic pills.
>
>
>
> This wasn't for digestive issues but ones of a fungal nature. And for that
>
> you need a much higher dose. Plus I was taking the antibiotics for a sinus
>
> infection and you shouldn't eat dairy with sinus problems as it produces
>
> more mucous.

What a crock of s*it...eating dairy products has nothing to do with production of mucus. Another "old-wives" tale. Where do people dig up this crap info?

"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> On Sunday, August 24, 2014 7:47:27 PM UTC-6, Julie Bove wrote:
>> "Doris Night" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:58:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> >>Even now, not all of it has those cultures. Some stores sell really
>>
>> >>cheap,
>>
>> >>fruit flavored stuff and it does not. In the 80's, I don't think any
>> >>of
>>
>> >>it
>>
>> >>was labeled as such and I am pretty sure that the fruity stuff did not.
>>
>> >>They also made something called Kissel. No longer being made. My
>> >>nephew
>>
>> >>ate the chocolate flavor. There was not nearly the amount of variety
>> >>of
>>
>> >>yogurt available then that there is now.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>But bottom line, the Drs. that we see now tell us that no yogurt would
>> >>be
>>
>> >>enough to ward off the problems that antibiotic can cause and the only
>> >>way
>>
>> >>to counteract that is to take the pills.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > The last time my DH was on antibiotics (for a gum infection) he was
>>
>> > told to eat Activia yogurt to alleviate the digestive issues caused by
>>
>> > the antibiotic. It worked really well. He didn't need to take any of
>>
>> > the probiotic pills.
>>
>>
>>
>> This wasn't for digestive issues but ones of a fungal nature. And for
>> that
>>
>> you need a much higher dose. Plus I was taking the antibiotics for a
>> sinus
>>
>> infection and you shouldn't eat dairy with sinus problems as it produces
>>
>> more mucous.
>
> What a crock of s*it...eating dairy products has nothing to do with
> production of mucus. Another "old-wives" tale. Where do people dig up this
> crap info?

Okay. I just looked it up. I assumed it to be true as countless medical
people have told me this. Apparently not true for most people. But very
true for me. I have a dairy...not just lactose but dairy intolerance. I
used to have to keep a box of tissues in every room of my house because I
constantly had to blow my nose. The Dr. told me this was cause by
allergies. Nope. It was dairy. Once I stopped eating it, the respiratory
problems stopped.

On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:58:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

> But bottom line, the Drs. that we see now tell us that no yogurt would be
> enough to ward off the problems that antibiotic can cause and the only way
> to counteract that is to take the pills.

I don't recall any *doctor* telling me to eat yogurt, I always got the
pills... and it wasn't pills. It was suppositories.

--

Never trust a dog to watch your food.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:58:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> But bottom line, the Drs. that we see now tell us that no yogurt would be
>> enough to ward off the problems that antibiotic can cause and the only
>> way
>> to counteract that is to take the pills.
>
> I don't recall any *doctor* telling me to eat yogurt, I always got the
> pills... and it wasn't pills. It was suppositories.

I'm not sure what kind you mean. I needed the probiotics to ward off
certain kinds of fungal infections. Might those be the suppositories that
you mean? If so they are mostly OTC now but I was hoping not to need them.
Now they advise us to take high doses of probitoics while taking
antibiotics. As in 2-3 times the amount that you'd take daily otherwise.
Doesn't always work though. Especially if you are on super strong
antibiotics.

On Monday, August 25, 2014 5:29:57 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 21:00:52 -0400, Doris Night
>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:58:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >>Even now, not all of it has those cultures. Some stores sell really cheap,
>
> >>fruit flavored stuff and it does not. In the 80's, I don't think any of it
>
> >>was labeled as such and I am pretty sure that the fruity stuff did not.
>
> >>They also made something called Kissel. No longer being made. My nephew
>
> >>ate the chocolate flavor. There was not nearly the amount of variety of
>
> >>yogurt available then that there is now.
>
> >>
>
> >>But bottom line, the Drs. that we see now tell us that no yogurt would be
>
> >>enough to ward off the problems that antibiotic can cause and the only way
>
> >>to counteract that is to take the pills.
>
> >
>
> >The last time my DH was on antibiotics (for a gum infection) he was
>
> >told to eat Activia yogurt to alleviate the digestive issues caused by
>
> >the antibiotic. It worked really well. He didn't need to take any of
>
> >the probiotic pills.
>
> >
>
> >Doris
>
>
>
> Agreed - antibiotics kill off all the good, natural bacteria at work
>
> in ones gut. Probiotic pills, just like vitamins, are totally
>
> unnecessary if you are eating a properly rounded diet.

If by "properly rounded diet" you include cultured milk products containing
certain beneficial strains of bacteria, OK, but there is real research to
back up health claims for probiotics.
http://www.cortjohnson.org/blog/2013...igue-syndrome/

The human body is not mostly human cells (by number), but mostly bacteria.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_microbiome

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3744517/

https://download.abstractcentral.com...oofs/P283.html

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...22030298701237

http://newsroom.heart.org/news/daily...obiotic-239562

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or.../e124.abstract

Today, in fact, I'm requesting an inter-library loan--
http://www.amazon.com/Microbial-Endo...dp/1493908960/

Also, read this--
------------------
Although L. reuteri occurs naturally in humans, it is not found in all individuals. Therefore, dietary supplementation is needed to introduce and maintain high levels of it in some people. Oral intake of L. reuteri has been shown to effectively colonize the intestine of healthy people; colonization begins rapidly within days of ingestion, although the levels in the body drop within several months after intake is stopped.[20] Furthermore, L. reuteri is found in breast milk,[21] and oral intake on the mother's part likewise increases the amount of L. reuteri present in her milk, and the likelihood that it will be transferred to the child's body.[22]

Once present in the body, L. reuteri benefits its host in a variety of ways, particularly by fighting off harmful infections and mediating the body's immune system.
source-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactoba...ults_in_humans
-------------------


The research is out there. It's in reputable, peer reviewed journals.
If you read what I have read, I'm sure you'll be convinced.

--Bryan

On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 05:04:09 -0700 (PDT), Bryan-TGWWW
> wrote:

>On Monday, August 25, 2014 5:29:57 AM UTC-5, wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 21:00:52 -0400, Doris Night
>>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:58:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> >>Even now, not all of it has those cultures. Some stores sell really cheap,
>>
>> >>fruit flavored stuff and it does not. In the 80's, I don't think any of it
>>
>> >>was labeled as such and I am pretty sure that the fruity stuff did not.
>>
>> >>They also made something called Kissel. No longer being made. My nephew
>>
>> >>ate the chocolate flavor. There was not nearly the amount of variety of
>>
>> >>yogurt available then that there is now.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>But bottom line, the Drs. that we see now tell us that no yogurt would be
>>
>> >>enough to ward off the problems that antibiotic can cause and the only way
>>
>> >>to counteract that is to take the pills.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >The last time my DH was on antibiotics (for a gum infection) he was
>>
>> >told to eat Activia yogurt to alleviate the digestive issues caused by
>>
>> >the antibiotic. It worked really well. He didn't need to take any of
>>
>> >the probiotic pills.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >Doris
>>
>>
>>
>> Agreed - antibiotics kill off all the good, natural bacteria at work
>>
>> in ones gut. Probiotic pills, just like vitamins, are totally
>>
>> unnecessary if you are eating a properly rounded diet.
>
>If by "properly rounded diet" you include cultured milk products containing
>certain beneficial strains of bacteria, OK, but there is real research to
>back up health claims for probiotics.
>http://www.cortjohnson.org/blog/2013...igue-syndrome/
>
>The human body is not mostly human cells (by number), but mostly bacteria.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_microbiome
....
>--Bryan

The human body is mostly human body cells and water. The bacteria are
not part of the human body. They are other organisms, not part of the
human body.

Now who's blowing it out their ass? ;-)

John Kuthe...

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On Monday, August 25, 2014 1:15:34 AM UTC-5, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 14:58:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>
> > wrote:
>
>
>
> > But bottom line, the Drs. that we see now tell us that no yogurt would be
>
> > enough to ward off the problems that antibiotic can cause and the only way
>
> > to counteract that is to take the pills.
>
>
>
> I don't recall any *doctor* telling me to eat yogurt, I always got the
>
> pills... and it wasn't pills. It was suppositories.
>
Even more effective than suppositories are enemas. I've never resorted to
that because I've had good luck with the oral route, and I'm not one of the
significant minority of folks who find enemas enjoyable.

The suppositories are more important for women than men, see these search
results--
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=...ed=0CFIQgQMwAA

--Bryan