They are doing electrical upgrades in my area and we were warned of a
planned power outage from Tues. to Fri. from 8:00 a.m. until 6:00 p.m. The
outage began just before 9:00 a.m. on Wed. But something went wrong and
they were unable to restore power until after midnight. My fridge was at an
unsafe temp. and most of what was in the freezer was clearly thawed or
thawing.

I did manage to save things like some condiments, unopened block cheese,
butter, margarine (may have to toss later) a cured salami and the few pieces
of whole produce that I have. And a few other things in unopened packages
that felt cold to the touch. We will eat ASAP. But I did lose 3 big black
garbage bags full of food.

People are telling me that the power company won't compensate me for the
loss since it was a planned outage, however... I feel had they restored the
power by 6:00 p.m. like they had said, I may not have lost things or at
least not lost as much as I did.

Has anyone here had a similar situation? I don't think I could turn this in
on my home owners policy because I don't have receipts for most things.
When we had that week long (or so) outage in NY, the military told us we
could get our money back only if we had a receipt to prove it.

So... Not only was I unable to cook a meal at all today, but I lost most of
what I had to boot! Now I am starving and cranky having eaten only cereal,
bean dip, chips and nuts all day. Thankfully I had not already purchased
the ingredients for the Easter pie. I would be livid had I lost all of
those expensive meats and cheeses.

On Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:09:54 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
> They are doing electrical upgrades in my area and we were warned of a
>
> planned power outage from Tues. to Fri. from 8:00 a.m. until 6:00 p.m. The
>
> outage began just before 9:00 a.m. on Wed. But something went wrong and
>
> they were unable to restore power until after midnight. My fridge was at an
>
> unsafe temp. and most of what was in the freezer was clearly thawed or
>
> thawing.
>
>
>
> I did manage to save things like some condiments, unopened block cheese,
>
> butter, margarine (may have to toss later) a cured salami and the few pieces
>
> of whole produce that I have. And a few other things in unopened packages
>
> that felt cold to the touch. We will eat ASAP. But I did lose 3 big black
>
> garbage bags full of food.
>
>
>
> People are telling me that the power company won't compensate me for the
>
> loss since it was a planned outage, however... I feel had they restored the
>
> power by 6:00 p.m. like they had said, I may not have lost things or at
>
> least not lost as much as I did.
>
>
>
> Has anyone here had a similar situation? I don't think I could turn this in
>
> on my home owners policy because I don't have receipts for most things.
>
> When we had that week long (or so) outage in NY, the military told us we
>
> could get our money back only if we had a receipt to prove it.
>
>
>
> So... Not only was I unable to cook a meal at all today, but I lost most of
>
> what I had to boot! Now I am starving and cranky having eaten only cereal,
>
> bean dip, chips and nuts all day. Thankfully I had not already purchased
>
> the ingredients for the Easter pie. I would be livid had I lost all of
>
> those expensive meats and cheeses.

3 big black bags...good god, how did you get that much in the fridge! As for compensation, get a damned good attorney and sue the hell out of 'em.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:09:54 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
> > They are doing electrical upgrades in my area and we were warned of a
> >
> > planned power outage from Tues. to Fri. from 8:00 a.m. until 6:00 p.m. The
> >
> > outage began just before 9:00 a.m. on Wed. But something went wrong and
> >
> > they were unable to restore power until after midnight. My fridge was at an
> >
> > unsafe temp. and most of what was in the freezer was clearly thawed or
> >
> > thawing.

You must have really poor insulation in your freezer. When there's
ample warning of a cut, you should prepare by running the freezer on
"superfreeze" for several hours before the cut, covering it with a
duvet, etc, not opening its door at all.

A year ago we had a three day power outage (with no warning). With no
idea how long it would last , I covered the freezer and left the door
shut until the power came back on 3 days later.. the entire contents of
my fairly new, high-insulation freezer were still cold and hard. We lost
nothing.

Janet UK

On 4/10/2014 2:19 PM, Janet wrote:

> You must have really poor insulation in your freezer. When there's
> ample warning of a cut, you should prepare by running the freezer on
> "superfreeze" for several hours before the cut, covering it with a
> duvet, etc, not opening its door at all.
>
> A year ago we had a three day power outage (with no warning). With no
> idea how long it would last , I covered the freezer and left the door
> shut until the power came back on 3 days later.. the entire contents of
> my fairly new, high-insulation freezer were still cold and hard. We lost
> nothing.
>
We had a 5 day power outage last year, and lost nothing. The weather was
cold, though.

"S Viemeister" > wrote in message
...
> On 4/10/2014 2:19 PM, Janet wrote:
>
>> You must have really poor insulation in your freezer. When there's
>> ample warning of a cut, you should prepare by running the freezer on
>> "superfreeze" for several hours before the cut, covering it with a
>> duvet, etc, not opening its door at all.
>>
>> A year ago we had a three day power outage (with no warning). With no
>> idea how long it would last , I covered the freezer and left the door
>> shut until the power came back on 3 days later.. the entire contents of
>> my fairly new, high-insulation freezer were still cold and hard. We lost
>> nothing.
>>
> We had a 5 day power outage last year, and lost nothing. The weather was
> cold, though.

The weather yesterday was slightly warm but got chilly towards night. I
used to keep a lot of blue ice in the freezer and that helps. But this time
I had a lot of bacon portioned into single servings, and bread, the same.
That stuff was totally defrosted. Most of what I lost there were small
things towards the front. Larger packages towards the back seemed solid
still.

Am debating now about some of the remaining food in the fridge. Might wind
up tossing it as well since the fridge was at an unsafe temp. Just above
40.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> Am debating now about some of the remaining food in the fridge. Might wind
> up tossing it as well since the fridge was at an unsafe temp. Just above
> 40.

Julie,

I got a *very* bad case of food poisoning about 30 years ago and that
was the sickest I'd ever been. Ever since, I'll throw something out if
even the tiniest bit in doubt. It's not worth a chance to me just to
save a few dollars. The day or two of work I lost was worth way more
than the entire contents of my fridge, not to mention feeling horrible
and a headache that felt more like an earthquake.

Even if it might be safe, you won't enjoy eating it if you are
wondering if it will get to you several hours later. No enjoyment in
that kind of meal no matter how good it tastes. And you're still
recovering from that serious foot injury, you don't need any chance of
food poisoning. I'm with you, get rid of it all and start over. Ignore
the people here that say you don't need to and joke you. Screw them
all!

G.

On 2014-04-10 2:19 PM, Janet wrote:

> A year ago we had a three day power outage (with no warning). With no
> idea how long it would last , I covered the freezer and left the door
> shut until the power came back on 3 days later.. the entire contents of
> my fairly new, high-insulation freezer were still cold and hard. We lost
> nothing.
>
I would not have thrown anything out if it was still frozen. I don't
know why the public health department suggests throwing stuff out after
a day or day.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2014-04-10 2:19 PM, Janet wrote:
>
>> A year ago we had a three day power outage (with no warning). With no
>> idea how long it would last , I covered the freezer and left the door
>> shut until the power came back on 3 days later.. the entire contents of
>> my fairly new, high-insulation freezer were still cold and hard. We lost
>> nothing.
>>
> I would not have thrown anything out if it was still frozen. I don't know
> why the public health department suggests throwing stuff out after a day
> or day.

I did not toss what felt frozen through. What I did toss had clearly thawed
out.

On 4/10/2014 4:39 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> "Dave Smith" > wrote
>> On 2014-04-10 2:19 PM, Janet wrote:
>>> A year ago we had a three day power outage (with no warning).
>>> With no
>>> idea how long it would last , I covered the freezer and left the door
>>> shut until the power came back on 3 days later.. the entire contents of
>>> my fairly new, high-insulation freezer were still cold and hard. We lost
>>> nothing.
>>>
>> I would not have thrown anything out if it was still frozen. I don't
>> know why the public health department suggests throwing stuff out
>> after a day or day.
>
> I did not toss what felt frozen through. What I did toss had clearly
> thawed out.

If it was thawed, but still cold, I would have put it in the
refrigerator or cooked it right away.

"Janet" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:09:54 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
>> > They are doing electrical upgrades in my area and we were warned of a
>> >
>> > planned power outage from Tues. to Fri. from 8:00 a.m. until 6:00 p.m.
>> > The
>> >
>> > outage began just before 9:00 a.m. on Wed. But something went wrong
>> > and
>> >
>> > they were unable to restore power until after midnight. My fridge was
>> > at an
>> >
>> > unsafe temp. and most of what was in the freezer was clearly thawed or
>> >
>> > thawing.
>
> You must have really poor insulation in your freezer. When there's
> ample warning of a cut, you should prepare by running the freezer on
> "superfreeze" for several hours before the cut, covering it with a
> duvet, etc, not opening its door at all.

I have a side by side and there is no "superfreeze" setting. The door was
not opened at all. And there was not ample warning of the cut. They only
let us know a few days prior and the freezer was already full.
>
> A year ago we had a three day power outage (with no warning). With no
> idea how long it would last , I covered the freezer and left the door
> shut until the power came back on 3 days later.. the entire contents of
> my fairly new, high-insulation freezer were still cold and hard. We lost
> nothing.

Your freezers must be different. My parents used to lose power for 2 weeks
at a time before their electrical was upgraded. We lost power in NY for
about a week. In all cases, the stuff was mostly ruined before the end of
the 2nd day. And it wasn't just our freezer. I can remember the neighbors
all running outside with melting ice cream and Popsicles trying to find some
kid to eat them.

In article >, says...


> And there was not ample warning of the cut. They only
> let us know a few days prior

<sigh>

Janet

On 4/10/2014 6:45 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>
>
>> And there was not ample warning of the cut. They only
>> let us know a few days prior
>
> <sigh>
>
> Janet
>
>
>
A few days?! <boggle>

Jill

"Janet" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >, says...
>
>
>> And there was not ample warning of the cut. They only
>> let us know a few days prior
>
> <sigh>
>
> Janet

Why a sigh? I had stocked up prior to learning of this. No way to undo
what I had already done.
>
>

On 2014-04-10 14:19, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:09:54 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> They are doing electrical upgrades in my area and we were warned of a
>>>
>>> planned power outage from Tues. to Fri. from 8:00 a.m. until 6:00 p.m. The
>>>
>>> outage began just before 9:00 a.m. on Wed. But something went wrong and
>>>
>>> they were unable to restore power until after midnight. My fridge was at an
>>>
>>> unsafe temp. and most of what was in the freezer was clearly thawed or
>>>
>>> thawing.
>
> You must have really poor insulation in your freezer. When there's
> ample warning of a cut, you should prepare by running the freezer on
> "superfreeze" for several hours before the cut, covering it with a
> duvet, etc, not opening its door at all.
>
> A year ago we had a three day power outage (with no warning). With no
> idea how long it would last , I covered the freezer and left the door
> shut until the power came back on 3 days later.. the entire contents of
> my fairly new, high-insulation freezer were still cold and hard. We lost
> nothing.
>
>

That may be because you have more brains that Julie. You knew enough
that the power was out and did not open the freezer. Julie was away of
the outage. I can stick a frozen chicken into the fridge to thaw and it
takes almost three days. Her freezer content thawed in only 15 hours.
Go figger.She probably stood there with the door open.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2014-04-10 14:19, Janet wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:09:54 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> They are doing electrical upgrades in my area and we were warned of a
>>>>
>>>> planned power outage from Tues. to Fri. from 8:00 a.m. until 6:00 p.m.
>>>> The
>>>>
>>>> outage began just before 9:00 a.m. on Wed. But something went wrong
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> they were unable to restore power until after midnight. My fridge was
>>>> at an
>>>>
>>>> unsafe temp. and most of what was in the freezer was clearly thawed or
>>>>
>>>> thawing.
>>
>> You must have really poor insulation in your freezer. When there's
>> ample warning of a cut, you should prepare by running the freezer on
>> "superfreeze" for several hours before the cut, covering it with a
>> duvet, etc, not opening its door at all.
>>
>> A year ago we had a three day power outage (with no warning). With no
>> idea how long it would last , I covered the freezer and left the door
>> shut until the power came back on 3 days later.. the entire contents of
>> my fairly new, high-insulation freezer were still cold and hard. We lost
>> nothing.
>>
>>
>
> That may be because you have more brains that Julie. You knew enough that
> the power was out and did not open the freezer. Julie was away of the
> outage. I can stick a frozen chicken into the fridge to thaw and it takes
> almost three days. Her freezer content thawed in only 15 hours.
> Go figger.She probably stood there with the door open.

Nobody opened the freezer and it didn't all thaw out. Like I said... Just
the little things.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> Nobody opened the freezer and it didn't all thaw out. Like I said... Just
> the little things.

3 black garbage bags full, as you said. >:-|

G.

"Chemo" > wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:09:54 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
>> They are doing electrical upgrades in my area and we were warned of a
>>
>> planned power outage from Tues. to Fri. from 8:00 a.m. until 6:00 p.m.
>> The
>>
>> outage began just before 9:00 a.m. on Wed. But something went wrong and
>>
>> they were unable to restore power until after midnight. My fridge was at
>> an
>>
>> unsafe temp. and most of what was in the freezer was clearly thawed or
>>
>> thawing.
>>
>>
>>
>> I did manage to save things like some condiments, unopened block cheese,
>>
>> butter, margarine (may have to toss later) a cured salami and the few
>> pieces
>>
>> of whole produce that I have. And a few other things in unopened
>> packages
>>
>> that felt cold to the touch. We will eat ASAP. But I did lose 3 big
>> black
>>
>> garbage bags full of food.
>>
>>
>>
>> People are telling me that the power company won't compensate me for the
>>
>> loss since it was a planned outage, however... I feel had they restored
>> the
>>
>> power by 6:00 p.m. like they had said, I may not have lost things or at
>>
>> least not lost as much as I did.
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone here had a similar situation? I don't think I could turn this
>> in
>>
>> on my home owners policy because I don't have receipts for most things.
>>
>> When we had that week long (or so) outage in NY, the military told us we
>>
>> could get our money back only if we had a receipt to prove it.
>>
>>
>>
>> So... Not only was I unable to cook a meal at all today, but I lost most
>> of
>>
>> what I had to boot! Now I am starving and cranky having eaten only
>> cereal,
>>
>> bean dip, chips and nuts all day. Thankfully I had not already purchased
>>
>> the ingredients for the Easter pie. I would be livid had I lost all of
>>
>> those expensive meats and cheeses.
>
> 3 big black bags...good god, how did you get that much in the fridge! As
> for compensation, get a damned good attorney and sue the hell out of 'em.

The fridge and freezer were totally full. The bags were not full. There
was just a lot of heavy stuff like meat. Bags got too heavy to lift.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Chemo" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:09:54 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> They are doing electrical upgrades in my area and we were warned of a
>>>
>>> planned power outage from Tues. to Fri. from 8:00 a.m. until 6:00 p.m.
>>> The
>>>
>>> outage began just before 9:00 a.m. on Wed. But something went wrong and
>>>
>>> they were unable to restore power until after midnight. My fridge was
>>> at an
>>>
>>> unsafe temp. and most of what was in the freezer was clearly thawed or
>>>
>>> thawing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I did manage to save things like some condiments, unopened block cheese,
>>>
>>> butter, margarine (may have to toss later) a cured salami and the few
>>> pieces
>>>
>>> of whole produce that I have. And a few other things in unopened
>>> packages
>>>
>>> that felt cold to the touch. We will eat ASAP. But I did lose 3 big
>>> black
>>>
>>> garbage bags full of food.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> People are telling me that the power company won't compensate me for the
>>>
>>> loss since it was a planned outage, however... I feel had they restored
>>> the
>>>
>>> power by 6:00 p.m. like they had said, I may not have lost things or at
>>>
>>> least not lost as much as I did.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Has anyone here had a similar situation? I don't think I could turn
>>> this in
>>>
>>> on my home owners policy because I don't have receipts for most things.
>>>
>>> When we had that week long (or so) outage in NY, the military told us we
>>>
>>> could get our money back only if we had a receipt to prove it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So... Not only was I unable to cook a meal at all today, but I lost
>>> most of
>>>
>>> what I had to boot! Now I am starving and cranky having eaten only
>>> cereal,
>>>
>>> bean dip, chips and nuts all day. Thankfully I had not already
>>> purchased
>>>
>>> the ingredients for the Easter pie. I would be livid had I lost all of
>>>
>>> those expensive meats and cheeses.
>>
>> 3 big black bags...good god, how did you get that much in the fridge! As
>> for compensation, get a damned good attorney and sue the hell out of 'em.
>
> The fridge and freezer were totally full. The bags were not full. There
> was just a lot of heavy stuff like meat. Bags got too heavy to lift.

The term is thermal mass. The larger the mass the slower it will respond to
changes in temperature. The more you had in the freezer the longer it
should have taken to thaw. So you have defeated the laws of physics and
thermodynamics in particular That is quite an accomplishment really.




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"barbie gee" > wrote in message
hcrg.pbz...
>
>
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2014, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>
>> "Chemo" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:09:54 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> They are doing electrical upgrades in my area and we were warned of a
>>>>
>>>> planned power outage from Tues. to Fri. from 8:00 a.m. until 6:00 p.m.
>>>> The
>>>>
>>>> outage began just before 9:00 a.m. on Wed. But something went wrong
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> they were unable to restore power until after midnight. My fridge was
>>>> at an
>>>>
>>>> unsafe temp. and most of what was in the freezer was clearly thawed or
>>>>
>>>> thawing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I did manage to save things like some condiments, unopened block
>>>> cheese,
>>>>
>>>> butter, margarine (may have to toss later) a cured salami and the few
>>>> pieces
>>>>
>>>> of whole produce that I have. And a few other things in unopened
>>>> packages
>>>>
>>>> that felt cold to the touch. We will eat ASAP. But I did lose 3 big
>>>> black
>>>>
>>>> garbage bags full of food.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> People are telling me that the power company won't compensate me for
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> loss since it was a planned outage, however... I feel had they
>>>> restored the
>>>>
>>>> power by 6:00 p.m. like they had said, I may not have lost things or at
>>>>
>>>> least not lost as much as I did.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone here had a similar situation? I don't think I could turn
>>>> this in
>>>>
>>>> on my home owners policy because I don't have receipts for most things.
>>>>
>>>> When we had that week long (or so) outage in NY, the military told us
>>>> we
>>>>
>>>> could get our money back only if we had a receipt to prove it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So... Not only was I unable to cook a meal at all today, but I lost
>>>> most of
>>>>
>>>> what I had to boot! Now I am starving and cranky having eaten only
>>>> cereal,
>>>>
>>>> bean dip, chips and nuts all day. Thankfully I had not already
>>>> purchased
>>>>
>>>> the ingredients for the Easter pie. I would be livid had I lost all of
>>>>
>>>> those expensive meats and cheeses.
>>>
>>> 3 big black bags...good god, how did you get that much in the fridge! As
>>> for compensation, get a damned good attorney and sue the hell out of
>>> 'em.
>>
>> The fridge and freezer were totally full. The bags were not full. There
>> was just a lot of heavy stuff like meat. Bags got too heavy to lift.
>
> around here when there's an outage, we go buy a bunch of bags of ice, and
> fill some coolers and keep our stuff in there.

I assumed that it would be about a 2 hour outage like normal. Nope.

In article >, says...

> >>>> we were warned of a

> >>>> planned power outage from Tues. to Fri. from 8:00 a.m. until 6:00 p.m.



> I assumed that it would be about a 2 hour outage like normal. Nope.

<sigh>

Janet.

On 4/10/2014 4:09 PM, barbie gee wrote:
>
>

>
> around here when there's an outage, we go buy a bunch of bags of ice,
> and fill some coolers and keep our stuff in there.


You can stick dry ice directly in the freezer if you have a little
space. It keeps a lot longer. Some local supermarkets carry it and so
do dairies.

gloria p

"Chemo" > wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:09:54 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
>> They are doing electrical upgrades in my area and we were warned of a
>>
>> planned power outage from Tues. to Fri. from 8:00 a.m. until 6:00 p.m.
>> The
>>
>> outage began just before 9:00 a.m. on Wed. But something went wrong and
>>
>> they were unable to restore power until after midnight. My fridge was at
>> an
>>
>> unsafe temp. and most of what was in the freezer was clearly thawed or
>>
>> thawing.
>>
>>
>>
>> I did manage to save things like some condiments, unopened block cheese,
>>
>> butter, margarine (may have to toss later) a cured salami and the few
>> pieces
>>
>> of whole produce that I have. And a few other things in unopened
>> packages
>>
>> that felt cold to the touch. We will eat ASAP. But I did lose 3 big
>> black
>>
>> garbage bags full of food.
>>
>>
>>
>> People are telling me that the power company won't compensate me for the
>>
>> loss since it was a planned outage, however... I feel had they restored
>> the
>>
>> power by 6:00 p.m. like they had said, I may not have lost things or at
>>
>> least not lost as much as I did.
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone here had a similar situation? I don't think I could turn this
>> in
>>
>> on my home owners policy because I don't have receipts for most things.
>>
>> When we had that week long (or so) outage in NY, the military told us we
>>
>> could get our money back only if we had a receipt to prove it.
>>
>>
>>
>> So... Not only was I unable to cook a meal at all today, but I lost most
>> of
>>
>> what I had to boot! Now I am starving and cranky having eaten only
>> cereal,
>>
>> bean dip, chips and nuts all day. Thankfully I had not already purchased
>>
>> the ingredients for the Easter pie. I would be livid had I lost all of
>>
>> those expensive meats and cheeses.
>
> 3 big black bags...good god, how did you get that much in the fridge! As
> for compensation, get a damned good attorney and sue the hell out of 'em.


Be serious. No lawyer will take on something like this. Why is it everyone
thinks they can just threaten legal action for what is a petty incident.
What will be the charge? Thet the power companu conspired to spoil her
food? That they should have planned on an unplanned event and were grossly
negligent? All over some spoiled food? Big deal. Not like anyone in her
house was going to eat it anyway.



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On Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:09:54 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:

I dare say most of the stuff you threw out was perfectly fine.
As long as there is still sufficient frost in frozen foods it is ok to refreeze them. If your refrigerator was not over 40 degrees for any extended amount of time and your stuff was not warm to the touch it was fine.

We have been brainwashed into thinking a lot of stuff that is not necessarily true about a lot of things.

ImStillMags > wrote in
:

> On Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:09:54 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I dare say most of the stuff you threw out was perfectly fine.
> As long as there is still sufficient frost in frozen foods it is ok to
> refreeze them. If your refrigerator was not over 40 degrees for any
> extended amount of time and your stuff was not warm to the touch it
> was fine.
>
But Julie is dumb, and a drama queen as well.
>
> We have been brainwashed into thinking a lot of stuff that is not
> necessarily true about a lot of things.

I don't follow any of that shit about safe zones and the like with anything
other than uncooked animal products.

Right now, I'm eating pork that I smoked two days ago, and was left at room
temp for ~36 hours before I put it in the oven at 170F this morning. I
never get sick, except for the time that I brought raw chicken on a
kayaking trip. Shit, I was scared to cook raw poultry at home for a few
weeks.

I also ate some cheese sauce that sat out for a while. The ingredients
were cheese and heavy cream, and in the combining, the temperatures were
high enough that I thought, *cooked*. I'd never serve that to my wife or
child, but they don't eat leftovers anyway.

I swear, which is funny because I'm areligious, and going to say that I
need to be more like John the Baptist (but certainly not like John Kuthe),
and less like Jesus, in that I need to stop eating and drinking so much.


--
--Bryan
"The 1960's called. They want their recipe back."
--Steve Wertz in rec.food.cooking 4-20-2009

"ImStillMags" > wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:09:54 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I dare say most of the stuff you threw out was perfectly fine.
> As long as there is still sufficient frost in frozen foods it is ok to
> refreeze them. If your refrigerator was not over 40 degrees for any
> extended amount of time and your stuff was not warm to the touch it was
> fine.

The frozen stuff was totally fine and the fridge stuff was not even cool.
>
> We have been brainwashed into thinking a lot of stuff that is not
> necessarily true about a lot of things.

But after 2 ER trips, 2 hospital stays and Angela having stomach issues, I
am not taking any chances.

On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 09:49:31 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> wrote:

>On Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:09:54 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>I dare say most of the stuff you threw out was perfectly fine.
>As long as there is still sufficient frost in frozen foods it is ok to refreeze them. If your refrigerator was not over 40 degrees for any extended amount of time and your stuff was not warm to the touch it was fine.
>
>We have been brainwashed into thinking a lot of stuff that is not necessarily true about a lot of things.

I wonder how I have survived this long, when I hang meat for up to a
week without refrigeration.

"Jeßus" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 09:49:31 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
> > wrote:
>
>>On Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:09:54 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>>I dare say most of the stuff you threw out was perfectly fine.
>>As long as there is still sufficient frost in frozen foods it is ok to
>>refreeze them. If your refrigerator was not over 40 degrees for any
>>extended amount of time and your stuff was not warm to the touch it was
>>fine.
>>
>>We have been brainwashed into thinking a lot of stuff that is not
>>necessarily true about a lot of things.
>
> I wonder how I have survived this long, when I hang meat for up to a
> week without refrigeration.

Where do you hang this meat? Surely you wouldn't do that around here. Some
wild animal would get it.

On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 19:10:33 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>"Jeßus" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 09:49:31 -0700 (PDT), ImStillMags
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On Thursday, April 10, 2014 2:09:54 AM UTC-7, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>I dare say most of the stuff you threw out was perfectly fine.
>>>As long as there is still sufficient frost in frozen foods it is ok to
>>>refreeze them. If your refrigerator was not over 40 degrees for any
>>>extended amount of time and your stuff was not warm to the touch it was
>>>fine.
>>>
>>>We have been brainwashed into thinking a lot of stuff that is not
>>>necessarily true about a lot of things.
>>
>> I wonder how I have survived this long, when I hang meat for up to a
>> week without refrigeration.
>
>Where do you hang this meat? Surely you wouldn't do that around here. Some
>wild animal would get it.

I don't leave it out in the open for up to a week - although we have
hung a beast in a tree overnight many times.
No, I normally hang it in a shed, and of course, only during winter.

Anyway, my main point is that meat doesnt go off as easily as most
people think it does.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in news:li5n55$2cl$1@dont-
email.me:

> I don't think I could turn this in
> on my home owners policy because I don't have receipts for most things.

On a verifiable outage like yours you might only need a list of stuff and
costs - no receipts. Worth a call to your agent.


--
"Where there's smoke there's toast!" Anon

On 2014-04-10 1:02 PM, KenK wrote:
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in news:li5n55$2cl$1@dont-
> email.me:
>
>> I don't think I could turn this in
>> on my home owners policy because I don't have receipts for most things.
>
> On a verifiable outage like yours you might only need a list of stuff and
> costs - no receipts. Worth a call to your agent.
>
>

Household insurance usually has a deductible, and the deductible is
probably greater than the value of food lost. If that is the only loss
she may as well suck it up.

When there were massive power outages in Toronto after the December ice
storms the city arranged for food vouchers to help people who had lost
food.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2014-04-10 1:02 PM, KenK wrote:
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in news:li5n55$2cl$1@dont-
>> email.me:
>>
>>> I don't think I could turn this in
>>> on my home owners policy because I don't have receipts for most things.
>>
>> On a verifiable outage like yours you might only need a list of stuff and
>> costs - no receipts. Worth a call to your agent.
>>
>>
>
> Household insurance usually has a deductible, and the deductible is
> probably greater than the value of food lost. If that is the only loss
> she may as well suck it up.
>
> When there were massive power outages in Toronto after the December ice
> storms the city arranged for food vouchers to help people who had lost
> food.

That could be. I placed an order on Amazon Fresh to replace stuff.
Amounted to around $150 but I did forget to order a few things. And I'm not
counting all the single slices of bread that were in there.

On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 13:42:44 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>That could be. I placed an order on Amazon Fresh to replace stuff.
>Amounted to around $150 but I did forget to order a few things. And I'm not
>counting all the single slices of bread that were in there.

Single slices of bread? You mean you re-package bread into individual
packages with one slice each?

Doris

On 2014-04-10 6:50 PM, Doris Night wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 13:42:44 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>> That could be. I placed an order on Amazon Fresh to replace stuff.
>> Amounted to around $150 but I did forget to order a few things. And I'm not
>> counting all the single slices of bread that were in there.
>
> Single slices of bread? You mean you re-package bread into individual
> packages with one slice each?
>
You've been around here for a while. Why would you question something so
stupid coming from her?

"Doris Night" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 13:42:44 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>That could be. I placed an order on Amazon Fresh to replace stuff.
>>Amounted to around $150 but I did forget to order a few things. And I'm
>>not
>>counting all the single slices of bread that were in there.
>
> Single slices of bread? You mean you re-package bread into individual
> packages with one slice each?
>
> Doris

Or two. Not something I would normally do but it was out of desperation. I
was unable to get to the store so I had my SIL buy me the bread that I used
for toast and I did that with it. I also had pita bread that I bought at
Costco but there was no way we could eat it all before it went bad. So that
went in there too. And two pieces of coffee cake. All thawed.

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I placed an order on Amazon Fresh to replace stuff.
> Amounted to around $150 but I did forget to order a few things. And I'm not
> counting all the single slices of bread that were in there.

Julie! >:-|

Use this power outage and food loss as an education and don't repeat
your mistake. After this, why in the world would you order so much
food again? Shop weekly and don't stock up more than 2-3 weeks worth
of food that needs to be kept cold. If you want to stockpile food, buy
lots of pantry food.

If you insist on mega fridge and freezer food onhand, buy a generator
to protect it. I live in hurricane area. I use up most of my freezer
food in July and early August each year and replace the space with
large containers of ice. Prime H season here is late August, all of
September, and a bit of October.

G.

On 2014-04-11 4:56 PM, Gary wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I placed an order on Amazon Fresh to replace stuff.
>> Amounted to around $150 but I did forget to order a few things. And I'm not
>> counting all the single slices of bread that were in there.
>
> Julie! >:-|
>
> Use this power outage and food loss as an education and don't repeat
> your mistake. After this, why in the world would you order so much
> food again? Shop weekly and don't stock up more than 2-3 weeks worth
> of food that needs to be kept cold. If you want to stockpile food, buy
> lots of pantry food.
>


There is an easy answer to that. Some people don't learn from their
mistakes or even from the experience of others. For instance, you have
made an effort to offer some useful advice. You had good intentions.
Where you screwed up was in not realizing that Julie isn't really
looking for advice. She will have reasons why it is no good. Moreover,
her story is bullshit. It was a 15 hour outage. Frozen meat would
remain frozen if she had the brains to leave the freezer door closed.
Even milk should last for 15 hours in a fridge. You could even get away
with opening the door once in a while

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> I placed an order on Amazon Fresh to replace stuff.
>> Amounted to around $150 but I did forget to order a few things. And I'm
>> not
>> counting all the single slices of bread that were in there.
>
> Julie! >:-|
>
> Use this power outage and food loss as an education and don't repeat
> your mistake. After this, why in the world would you order so much
> food again? Shop weekly and don't stock up more than 2-3 weeks worth
> of food that needs to be kept cold. If you want to stockpile food, buy
> lots of pantry food.
>
> If you insist on mega fridge and freezer food onhand, buy a generator
> to protect it. I live in hurricane area. I use up most of my freezer
> food in July and early August each year and replace the space with
> large containers of ice. Prime H season here is late August, all of
> September, and a bit of October.
>
I only got so much because I was unable to get to the store. I overdid it
today having gone to Costco and Target which are both pretty big. I
realized upon approaching the checkout that I forgot the bacon at Costco but
was too weak and sore to go back. Thankfully, SIL is going there this week
and will pick up some for me.

I don't normally put bread in the freezer at all but with my not being able
to get out and get food myself, I was attempting to save every little bit of
it that I could.

I would not use a generator here. Just too many problems with them and they
advise us not to.

The main problem was me being out of commission for almost two months. If
not in the hospital, then stuck on the couch. I was depending on my SIL to
shop for me or food deliveries and I had no real way of getting into the
kitchen to see what we had or needed. Yes, the other two should have been
able to tell me but since I wasn't putting the food away, there was no
organization to it whatever and they had no clue of what we had or needed.

Plus, I was ordering unfamiliar foods. For instance, I ordered chicken and
discovered that I had gotten twice as much as I really needed. So I cooked
it all and put it in the freezer. Plus, in the middle of all this, daughter
decided not to be a vegetarian any more. And much of what was in the
freezer was food that I had specially bought for her, like vegan corndogs.
Those went bad because I had packaged them two per bag. Just makes it
easier for her to get her own meal that way and she won't overeat.

I'm not really bothered by losing the vegetarian stuff as it likely wouldn't
have been eaten anyway. I had ordered myself some Amy's burritos with
aren't really bad but since I can actually cook now, it's unlikely that I
would eat them now. But when I was stuck on the couch, I could get someone
to heat one for me or if home alone I could hobble in there and nuke one.

On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 15:25:43 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2014-04-10 1:02 PM, KenK wrote:
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in news:li5n55$2cl$1@dont-
>> email.me:
>>
>>> I don't think I could turn this in
>>> on my home owners policy because I don't have receipts for most things.
>>
>> On a verifiable outage like yours you might only need a list of stuff and
>> costs - no receipts. Worth a call to your agent.
>
>Household insurance usually has a deductible, and the deductible is
>probably greater than the value of food lost. If that is the only loss
>she may as well suck it up.

Homeowner policys in the US will cover food lost up to a $50 limit due
to power outages regardless of deductible or receipts.

On 2014-04-10 4:48 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

>>> On a verifiable outage like yours you might only need a list of stuff and
>>> costs - no receipts. Worth a call to your agent.
>>
>> Household insurance usually has a deductible, and the deductible is
>> probably greater than the value of food lost. If that is the only loss
>> she may as well suck it up.
>
> Homeowner policys in the US will cover food lost up to a $50 limit due
> to power outages regardless of deductible or receipts.
>


That is probably a very reasonable amount in most cases. If there is a
short outage you can keep the fridge closed most of the time and most
things will be fine. Mayo, milk and cream might go off in a short time.
Any meats should be used up quickly.

As for the freezer, if you have more than $50 dollars worth of food in
there it should stay frozen for a couple days.

If I have a frozen chicken in the freezer I can put it in the fridge on
Friday to be thawed to cook for Sunday.

"Brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 15:25:43 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>>On 2014-04-10 1:02 PM, KenK wrote:
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in news:li5n55$2cl$1@dont-
>>> email.me:
>>>
>>>> I don't think I could turn this in
>>>> on my home owners policy because I don't have receipts for most things.
>>>
>>> On a verifiable outage like yours you might only need a list of stuff
>>> and
>>> costs - no receipts. Worth a call to your agent.
>>
>>Household insurance usually has a deductible, and the deductible is
>>probably greater than the value of food lost. If that is the only loss
>>she may as well suck it up.
>
> Homeowner policys in the US will cover food lost up to a $50 limit due
> to power outages regardless of deductible or receipts.

$50 limit? That won't even buy a bag of food! Not with meat in it anyway.