A long shot, I realize, but I've Googled and searched and searched, and
I cannot find a current source for aged sumatra coffee beans, unroasted.
I still have a little left that I bought from http://sweetmarias.com but
they're out and don't have an ETA for more.

So, on the off chance that someone here might know of a source, please
let me know. I've tried one other source since, a placed called Jadabug
Roasters and, while it's not terrible coffee, it's also not aged very
much, either - it's basically like any other sumatra I can get. The
real deal aged stuff is typically a light brown color.

Thanks.

-S-

On Sat, 8 Feb 2014 15:05:34 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
wrote:

>A long shot, I realize, but I've Googled and searched and searched, and
>I cannot find a current source for aged sumatra coffee beans, unroasted.
>I still have a little left that I bought from http://sweetmarias.com but
>they're out and don't have an ETA for more.
>
>So, on the off chance that someone here might know of a source, please
>let me know. I've tried one other source since, a placed called Jadabug
>Roasters and, while it's not terrible coffee, it's also not aged very
>much, either - it's basically like any other sumatra I can get. The
>real deal aged stuff is typically a light brown color.
>
>Thanks.
>
>-S-
>
Isn't there a problem with loss of crop due to weather? I thought
that I read of something like that recently.
Janet US

On Sat, 8 Feb 2014 15:05:34 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
wrote:

>A long shot, I realize, but I've Googled and searched and searched, and
>I cannot find a current source for aged sumatra coffee beans, unroasted.
>I still have a little left that I bought from http://sweetmarias.com but
>they're out and don't have an ETA for more.
>
>So, on the off chance that someone here might know of a source, please
>let me know. I've tried one other source since, a placed called Jadabug
>Roasters and, while it's not terrible coffee, it's also not aged very
>much, either - it's basically like any other sumatra I can get. The
>real deal aged stuff is typically a light brown color.
>
>Thanks.
>
>-S-
>

Dunno about aged green Sumatran beans, but I buy my fresh roasted in
their STL store Sumatran from Starr's:

http://starrs1.com/

you might want to give them a call. Owner's name is Bud Starr.

John Kuthe...

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Feb 2014 15:05:34 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
> wrote:
>
>> A long shot, I realize, but I've Googled and searched and searched,
>> and I cannot find a current source for aged sumatra coffee beans,
>> unroasted. I still have a little left that I bought from
>> http://sweetmarias.com but they're out and don't have an ETA for
>> more.
>>
>> So, on the off chance that someone here might know of a source,
>> please let me know. I've tried one other source since, a placed
>> called Jadabug Roasters and, while it's not terrible coffee, it's
>> also not aged very much, either - it's basically like any other
>> sumatra I can get. The real deal aged stuff is typically a light
>> brown color.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -S-
>>
>
> Dunno about aged green Sumatran beans, but I buy my fresh roasted in
> their STL store Sumatran from Starr's:
>
> http://starrs1.com/
>
> you might want to give them a call. Owner's name is Bud Starr.
>
> John Kuthe...

Sumatra isn't hard to find; aged Sumatra is because there isn't nearly
as much demand for it. If you Google it, you'll find old web pages of
people who had it but no longer do, etc.

John, the web link you gave didn't work for me - gave some sort of MySQL
error message.

-S-

On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 12:03:49 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
wrote:

>John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2014 15:05:34 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A long shot, I realize, but I've Googled and searched and searched,
>>> and I cannot find a current source for aged sumatra coffee beans,
>>> unroasted. I still have a little left that I bought from
>>> http://sweetmarias.com but they're out and don't have an ETA for
>>> more.
>>>
>>> So, on the off chance that someone here might know of a source,
>>> please let me know. I've tried one other source since, a placed
>>> called Jadabug Roasters and, while it's not terrible coffee, it's
>>> also not aged very much, either - it's basically like any other
>>> sumatra I can get. The real deal aged stuff is typically a light
>>> brown color.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> -S-
>>>
>>
>> Dunno about aged green Sumatran beans, but I buy my fresh roasted in
>> their STL store Sumatran from Starr's:
>>
>> http://starrs1.com/
>>
>> you might want to give them a call. Owner's name is Bud Starr.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
>Sumatra isn't hard to find; aged Sumatra is because there isn't nearly
>as much demand for it. If you Google it, you'll find old web pages of
>people who had it but no longer do, etc.
>
>John, the web link you gave didn't work for me - gave some sort of MySQL
>error message.
>
>-S-
>



Yeah, my bookmarked link to Starr's just crapped out on me too! I have
no idea what's wrong.

John Kuthe...

Janet Bostwick wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Feb 2014 15:05:34 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
> wrote:
>
>> A long shot, I realize, but I've Googled and searched and searched,
>> and I cannot find a current source for aged sumatra coffee beans,
>> unroasted. I still have a little left that I bought from
>> http://sweetmarias.com but they're out and don't have an ETA for
>> more.
>>
>> So, on the off chance that someone here might know of a source,
>> please let me know. I've tried one other source since, a placed
>> called Jadabug Roasters and, while it's not terrible coffee, it's
>> also not aged very much, either - it's basically like any other
>> sumatra I can get. The real deal aged stuff is typically a light
>> brown color.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -S-
>>
> Isn't there a problem with loss of crop due to weather? I thought
> that I read of something like that recently.
> Janet US

Aged Sumatra would be from several years ago's crop, anyway. The stuff
I still have a little of here was purchased in the last year and is from
the 2007 crop, for example. Aging 3 years is pretty typical from what I
understand.

I've actually gone so far as to find a source in Indonesia but the
requirements of me buying from there are prohibitive. There's a 60 kg
minimum order, and the shipping cost is about 50% of the cost of the
goods themselves, so we're talking about me laying out well over $1000,
and from a source in another country I've never dealt with and would
have no recourse with should there be an issue.

If it was a known source, I'd consider taking the risk, but it's just
too much altogether, and the right amount for me certainly isn't
anywhere near 60 kg. I'd consider buying 10 kg and even that would be
here for a couple of years before it was all gone because I mix it with
other beans and don't drink it by itself.

-S-

On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 11:08:03 -0600, John Kuthe >
wrote:

>On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 12:03:49 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
>wrote:
>
>>John Kuthe wrote:
>>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2014 15:05:34 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A long shot, I realize, but I've Googled and searched and searched,
>>>> and I cannot find a current source for aged sumatra coffee beans,
>>>> unroasted. I still have a little left that I bought from
>>>> http://sweetmarias.com but they're out and don't have an ETA for
>>>> more.
>>>>
>>>> So, on the off chance that someone here might know of a source,
>>>> please let me know. I've tried one other source since, a placed
>>>> called Jadabug Roasters and, while it's not terrible coffee, it's
>>>> also not aged very much, either - it's basically like any other
>>>> sumatra I can get. The real deal aged stuff is typically a light
>>>> brown color.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> -S-
>>>>
>>>
>>> Dunno about aged green Sumatran beans, but I buy my fresh roasted in
>>> their STL store Sumatran from Starr's:
>>>
>>> http://starrs1.com/
>>>
>>> you might want to give them a call. Owner's name is Bud Starr.
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>>Sumatra isn't hard to find; aged Sumatra is because there isn't nearly
>>as much demand for it. If you Google it, you'll find old web pages of
>>people who had it but no longer do, etc.
>>
>>John, the web link you gave didn't work for me - gave some sort of MySQL
>>error message.
>>
>>-S-
>>
>
>
>
>Yeah, my bookmarked link to Starr's just crapped out on me too! I have
>no idea what's wrong.
>
>John Kuthe...

I Googled it though:

https://www.google.com/webhp?source=search_app#q=starr's+market

The store's link on that page craps out too. They must be offline or
sumpin! :-(

John Kuthe...

On 2/9/2014 12:03 PM, Steve Freides wrote:

>
> Sumatra isn't hard to find; aged Sumatra is because there isn't nearly
> as much demand for it. If you Google it, you'll find old web pages of
> people who had it but no longer do, etc.
>

Something you can do yourself? From this, it sounds like you just need
a couple of years and a good place to keep it. Celebrate 2017 with a cup
of it.
http://coffeefaq.com/site/node/83

https://www.sweetmarias.com/dictiona...tegory=process

On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 12:10:38 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
wrote:

>Janet Bostwick wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2014 15:05:34 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A long shot, I realize, but I've Googled and searched and searched,
>>> and I cannot find a current source for aged sumatra coffee beans,
>>> unroasted. I still have a little left that I bought from
>>> http://sweetmarias.com but they're out and don't have an ETA for
>>> more.
>>>
>>> So, on the off chance that someone here might know of a source,
>>> please let me know. I've tried one other source since, a placed
>>> called Jadabug Roasters and, while it's not terrible coffee, it's
>>> also not aged very much, either - it's basically like any other
>>> sumatra I can get. The real deal aged stuff is typically a light
>>> brown color.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> -S-
>>>
>> Isn't there a problem with loss of crop due to weather? I thought
>> that I read of something like that recently.
>> Janet US
>
>Aged Sumatra would be from several years ago's crop, anyway. The stuff
>I still have a little of here was purchased in the last year and is from
>the 2007 crop, for example. Aging 3 years is pretty typical from what I
>understand.
>
>I've actually gone so far as to find a source in Indonesia but the
>requirements of me buying from there are prohibitive. There's a 60 kg
>minimum order, and the shipping cost is about 50% of the cost of the
>goods themselves, so we're talking about me laying out well over $1000,
>and from a source in another country I've never dealt with and would
>have no recourse with should there be an issue.
>
>If it was a known source, I'd consider taking the risk, but it's just
>too much altogether, and the right amount for me certainly isn't
>anywhere near 60 kg. I'd consider buying 10 kg and even that would be
>here for a couple of years before it was all gone because I mix it with
>other beans and don't drink it by itself.
>
>-S-
>
I was thinking of a tightening in the market as less product is
expected. You can charge more, hoard and less companies carry a
product due to price.
Janet US

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 2/9/2014 12:03 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
>
>>
>> Sumatra isn't hard to find; aged Sumatra is because there isn't
>> nearly as much demand for it. If you Google it, you'll find old web
>> pages of people who had it but no longer do, etc.
>>
>
> Something you can do yourself? From this, it sounds like you just
> need a couple of years and a good place to keep it. Celebrate 2017
> with a cup of it.
> http://coffeefaq.com/site/node/83
>
> https://www.sweetmarias.com/dictiona...tegory=process

I've considered it, but it's tricky business. I think the aging of
Sumatra beans generally requires a more tropical climate than exists in
my basement - at least that's my guess. And people buy old wine barrels
to do this, and what not. I kind of feel like it's enough that I buy
green beans and roast my own coffee - tending to a batch of aging beans
for several years, not knowing what the results will be and not knowing
really how to do it - well, that sounds like more than I want to do...

.... although I may have no choice but to give it a try.

-S-

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Feb 2014 11:08:03 -0600, John Kuthe >
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 12:03:49 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> John Kuthe wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2014 15:05:34 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A long shot, I realize, but I've Googled and searched and
>>>>> searched, and I cannot find a current source for aged sumatra
>>>>> coffee beans, unroasted. I still have a little left that I bought
>>>>> from http://sweetmarias.com but they're out and don't have an ETA
>>>>> for more.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, on the off chance that someone here might know of a source,
>>>>> please let me know. I've tried one other source since, a placed
>>>>> called Jadabug Roasters and, while it's not terrible coffee, it's
>>>>> also not aged very much, either - it's basically like any other
>>>>> sumatra I can get. The real deal aged stuff is typically a light
>>>>> brown color.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> -S-
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dunno about aged green Sumatran beans, but I buy my fresh roasted
>>>> in their STL store Sumatran from Starr's:
>>>>
>>>> http://starrs1.com/
>>>>
>>>> you might want to give them a call. Owner's name is Bud Starr.
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>>> Sumatra isn't hard to find; aged Sumatra is because there isn't
>>> nearly as much demand for it. If you Google it, you'll find old
>>> web pages of people who had it but no longer do, etc.
>>>
>>> John, the web link you gave didn't work for me - gave some sort of
>>> MySQL error message.
>>>
>>> -S-
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, my bookmarked link to Starr's just crapped out on me too! I
>> have no idea what's wrong.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
> I Googled it though:
>
> https://www.google.com/webhp?source=search_app#q=starr's+market
>
> The store's link on that page craps out too. They must be offline or
> sumpin! :-(
>
> John Kuthe...

I clicked on the Google link, and it took me to the same web site, and
it gave me the same error message.

-S-

Janet Bostwick wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 12:10:38 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
> wrote:
>
>> Janet Bostwick wrote:
>>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2014 15:05:34 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A long shot, I realize, but I've Googled and searched and searched,
>>>> and I cannot find a current source for aged sumatra coffee beans,
>>>> unroasted. I still have a little left that I bought from
>>>> http://sweetmarias.com but they're out and don't have an ETA for
>>>> more.
>>>>
>>>> So, on the off chance that someone here might know of a source,
>>>> please let me know. I've tried one other source since, a placed
>>>> called Jadabug Roasters and, while it's not terrible coffee, it's
>>>> also not aged very much, either - it's basically like any other
>>>> sumatra I can get. The real deal aged stuff is typically a light
>>>> brown color.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> -S-
>>>>
>>> Isn't there a problem with loss of crop due to weather? I thought
>>> that I read of something like that recently.
>>> Janet US
>>
>> Aged Sumatra would be from several years ago's crop, anyway. The
>> stuff I still have a little of here was purchased in the last year
>> and is from the 2007 crop, for example. Aging 3 years is pretty
>> typical from what I understand.
>>
>> I've actually gone so far as to find a source in Indonesia but the
>> requirements of me buying from there are prohibitive. There's a 60
>> kg minimum order, and the shipping cost is about 50% of the cost of
>> the goods themselves, so we're talking about me laying out well over
>> $1000, and from a source in another country I've never dealt with
>> and would have no recourse with should there be an issue.
>>
>> If it was a known source, I'd consider taking the risk, but it's just
>> too much altogether, and the right amount for me certainly isn't
>> anywhere near 60 kg. I'd consider buying 10 kg and even that would
>> be here for a couple of years before it was all gone because I mix
>> it with other beans and don't drink it by itself.
>>
>> -S-
>>
> I was thinking of a tightening in the market as less product is
> expected. You can charge more, hoard and less companies carry a
> product due to price.
> Janet US

Could be, but I think this is enough of a specialty product, with a low
overall demand, that I'm not sure it would matter very much. There's no
way to know for sure.

-S-

"Steve Freides" > wrote in message
...
> John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2014 15:05:34 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A long shot, I realize, but I've Googled and searched and searched,
>>> and I cannot find a current source for aged sumatra coffee beans,
>>> unroasted. I still have a little left that I bought from
>>> http://sweetmarias.com but they're out and don't have an ETA for
>>> more.
>>>
>>> So, on the off chance that someone here might know of a source,
>>> please let me know. I've tried one other source since, a placed
>>> called Jadabug Roasters and, while it's not terrible coffee, it's
>>> also not aged very much, either - it's basically like any other
>>> sumatra I can get. The real deal aged stuff is typically a light
>>> brown color.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> -S-
>>>
>>
>> Dunno about aged green Sumatran beans, but I buy my fresh roasted in
>> their STL store Sumatran from Starr's:
>>
>> http://starrs1.com/
>>
>> you might want to give them a call. Owner's name is Bud Starr.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
> Sumatra isn't hard to find; aged Sumatra is because there isn't nearly as
> much demand for it.

Is there a significant difference in flavour?
Graham

On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 16:22:39 -0700, "graham" > wrote:

>
>"Steve Freides" > wrote in message
...
>> John Kuthe wrote:
>>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2014 15:05:34 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A long shot, I realize, but I've Googled and searched and searched,
>>>> and I cannot find a current source for aged sumatra coffee beans,
>>>> unroasted. I still have a little left that I bought from
>>>> http://sweetmarias.com but they're out and don't have an ETA for
>>>> more.
>>>>
>>>> So, on the off chance that someone here might know of a source,
>>>> please let me know. I've tried one other source since, a placed
>>>> called Jadabug Roasters and, while it's not terrible coffee, it's
>>>> also not aged very much, either - it's basically like any other
>>>> sumatra I can get. The real deal aged stuff is typically a light
>>>> brown color.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> -S-
>>>>
>>>
>>> Dunno about aged green Sumatran beans, but I buy my fresh roasted in
>>> their STL store Sumatran from Starr's:
>>>
>>> http://starrs1.com/
>>>
>>> you might want to give them a call. Owner's name is Bud Starr.
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>> Sumatra isn't hard to find; aged Sumatra is because there isn't nearly as
>> much demand for it.
>
>Is there a significant difference in flavour?
>Graham
>

Evidently to Steve there is!

John Kuthe...

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 16:22:39 -0700, "graham" > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Steve Freides" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> John Kuthe wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2014 15:05:34 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A long shot, I realize, but I've Googled and searched and
>>>>> searched, and I cannot find a current source for aged sumatra
>>>>> coffee beans, unroasted. I still have a little left that I bought
>>>>> from http://sweetmarias.com but they're out and don't have an ETA
>>>>> for more.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, on the off chance that someone here might know of a source,
>>>>> please let me know. I've tried one other source since, a placed
>>>>> called Jadabug Roasters and, while it's not terrible coffee, it's
>>>>> also not aged very much, either - it's basically like any other
>>>>> sumatra I can get. The real deal aged stuff is typically a light
>>>>> brown color.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> -S-
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dunno about aged green Sumatran beans, but I buy my fresh roasted
>>>> in their STL store Sumatran from Starr's:
>>>>
>>>> http://starrs1.com/
>>>>
>>>> you might want to give them a call. Owner's name is Bud Starr.
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>>> Sumatra isn't hard to find; aged Sumatra is because there isn't
>>> nearly as much demand for it.
>>
>> Is there a significant difference in flavour?
>> Graham
>>
>
> Evidently to Steve there is!
>
> John Kuthe...

Indeed, there is. I'm not much for words in describing this sort of
thing, but I like to use aged Sumatra as part of my usual blend for
espresso here and, even at a relatively small portion, I miss it when
it's not there.

The beans are quite different in color, too. They're a light brown
color, which regular green beans are not. Roasted, of course, you don't
see any color difference.

I found a picture - you'll see aged Sumatra on top and a more common
green bean at the bottom.

http://imgur.com/a/zHFtz

That aged Sumatra is exactly what I have been using - same source, same
stuff, same label on the bag.

I didn't care for aged Sumatra as a single origin coffee but then again,
I don't generally care for single origin coffees, prefering to create my
own mixes. Sometimes, I buy already made blends of a variety of green
beans, usually the contents of the blend being kept a secret, and I will
drink them solo or even use a blend as part of my own blend.

Anyway, I'm still on the hunt for this stuff. I did another Google
search yesterday and sent off perhaps 10 emails and web contact forms,
and one actually wrote back and said they have it - but we'll see if
they really do, and if it's really aged Sumatra.

-S-

"Steve Freides" > wrote in message
...
> John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 16:22:39 -0700, "graham" > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Steve Freides" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2014 15:05:34 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A long shot, I realize, but I've Googled and searched and
>>>>>> searched, and I cannot find a current source for aged sumatra
>>>>>> coffee beans, unroasted. I still have a little left that I bought
>>>>>> from http://sweetmarias.com but they're out and don't have an ETA
>>>>>> for more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, on the off chance that someone here might know of a source,
>>>>>> please let me know. I've tried one other source since, a placed
>>>>>> called Jadabug Roasters and, while it's not terrible coffee, it's
>>>>>> also not aged very much, either - it's basically like any other
>>>>>> sumatra I can get. The real deal aged stuff is typically a light
>>>>>> brown color.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -S-
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dunno about aged green Sumatran beans, but I buy my fresh roasted
>>>>> in their STL store Sumatran from Starr's:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://starrs1.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> you might want to give them a call. Owner's name is Bud Starr.
>>>>>
>>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>>
>>>> Sumatra isn't hard to find; aged Sumatra is because there isn't
>>>> nearly as much demand for it.
>>>
>>> Is there a significant difference in flavour?
>>> Graham
>>>
>>
>> Evidently to Steve there is!
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
> Indeed, there is. I'm not much for words in describing this sort of
> thing, but I like to use aged Sumatra as part of my usual blend for
> espresso here and, even at a relatively small portion, I miss it when it's
> not there.
>
> The beans are quite different in color, too. They're a light brown color,
> which regular green beans are not. Roasted, of course, you don't see any
> color difference.
>
> I found a picture - you'll see aged Sumatra on top and a more common green
> bean at the bottom.
>
> http://imgur.com/a/zHFtz
>
> That aged Sumatra is exactly what I have been using - same source, same
> stuff, same label on the bag.
>
> I didn't care for aged Sumatra as a single origin coffee but then again, I
> don't generally care for single origin coffees, prefering to create my own
> mixes. Sometimes, I buy already made blends of a variety of green beans,
> usually the contents of the blend being kept a secret, and I will drink
> them solo or even use a blend as part of my own blend.
>
> Anyway, I'm still on the hunt for this stuff. I did another Google search
> yesterday and sent off perhaps 10 emails and web contact forms, and one
> actually wrote back and said they have it - but we'll see if they really
> do, and if it's really aged Sumatra.
>
I take it that you roast them yourself. What do you use for that?
I'm very fond of Sumatra and of a Tanzanian peaberry that I haven't seen for
a long time.
Graham

On 2014-02-10, graham > wrote:

> buying one. 30+ yrs ago, my late F-I-L was using a device that was sold as a
> roaster but looked like a popper. I can get green beans locally from a
> store-front roaster but there wouldn't be much saving in cost, if any.
> Graham

BTWOTTS!!

Gotta get the right popcorn popper. Only the defunct West Bend
Poppery I and II were really good enough. OTOH, lotta other ways.
Gobble for roasting in a cast iron pot/pan or even in a SS dog food
bowl w/ a hot air gun. It's been awhile for me, but look for "fluid
bed" roasters. No doubt a lotta DIY variations on the method. Heck,
the Ay-rabs usta build a fire under a layer of sand and put a metal
ladle fulla beans in the hot sand to roast/brew coffee ....and these
guys are the one's who invented coffee roasting. How hard can it be.

As for green beans, if you are paying more than half of what roasted
beans cost, yer getting screwed. For example, Whole Earth bought
Allegro coffee and began roasting in house. Unfortunately, they'll
only sell their green beans at full roasted price. Screw 'em.
Typcial for WholePaycheck, the dirtbags. Lotta green bean sources out
there. These guys are the best:

http://www.sweetmarias.com/index.php

nb

notbob wrote:
> On 2014-02-10, graham > wrote:
>
>> buying one. 30+ yrs ago, my late F-I-L was using a device that was
>> sold as a roaster but looked like a popper. I can get green beans
>> locally from a store-front roaster but there wouldn't be much saving
>> in cost, if any. Graham
>
> BTWOTTS!!
>
> Gotta get the right popcorn popper. Only the defunct West Bend
> Poppery I and II were really good enough.

I use a Wear-Ever brand, model is Popcorn Pumper - works great.

> These guys are the best:
>
> http://www.sweetmarias.com/index.php

Yup, but these folks

http://coffeebeandirect.com

are also very good - they cater more to buyers of roasted than green
bean but I buy green from them regularly.

-S-

graham wrote:
> "Steve Freides" > wrote in message
> ...
>>> I take it that you roast them yourself. What do you use for that?
>>> I'm very fond of Sumatra and of a Tanzanian peaberry that I haven't
>>> seen for a long time.
>>> Graham
>>
>> I roast in a popcorn popper on my front porch. www.sweetmarias.com
>> where I buy most of my beans, has a good video about how to get
>> started doing this. They also have an interesting and always
>> changing selection of beans and are, I think, the best source in the
>> country for the home roaster, to whom they really cater.
>>
> I had wondered if you were using a corn popper. I have been thinking
> of buying one. 30+ yrs ago, my late F-I-L was using a device that was
> sold as a roaster but looked like a popper. I can get green beans
> locally from a store-front roaster but there wouldn't be much saving
> in cost, if any. Graham

I don't do it to save money.

The coffee you buy already roasted has been sitting around a long time
in most cases - too long for me. Freshly roasted coffee is so fresh
that you have to wait a day or two or even three before it reaches its
peak flavor. The stuff bubbles when you use it in a French Press
because it's still outgassing from the roasting process - it's a whole
other experience, and even 2- or 3-week old homeroasted coffee tastes
fresher than almost anything you can buy in a store.

I've also found that I like a variety of roast levels in my coffee - I
make between 4 and 6 popcorn-popper's-worth of coffee at one time, and I
vary the roast levels slighlty, so my "product" contains some beans that
might be called medium and others that might be called dark. I think it
adds a lot to the taste of the coffee.

Green beans from Sweet Marias are about $6 per pound - if you're buying
already roasted coffee for that little money, I doubt it's very good.

If you don't like to roast, it's still a very good thing to get
fresh-roasted coffee. E.g., one place I mentioned in another reply,
http://www.coffeebeandirect, is near enough to me that UPS ground takes
only a single day, and they ship the day after they roast, so before I
home roasted, I would order from them on Monday, they'd roast it on
Tuesday, ship it on Wednesday, and I'd be drinking it on Thursday.
That's plenty fresh enough, and if you have a local roaster, you should
give it a try. Any place that roasts to order is worth a try, because
it's not usually more than a week in shipping, anyway. What's to be
avoided is coffee that's been roasted and then is waiting to be sold or,
worse yet, coffee that's been roasted and ground and then awaiting sale.

-S-

-S-

On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 23:20:27 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
wrote:

>notbob wrote:
>> On 2014-02-10, graham > wrote:
>>
>>> buying one. 30+ yrs ago, my late F-I-L was using a device that was
>>> sold as a roaster but looked like a popper. I can get green beans
>>> locally from a store-front roaster but there wouldn't be much saving
>>> in cost, if any. Graham
>>
>> BTWOTTS!!
>>
>> Gotta get the right popcorn popper. Only the defunct West Bend
>> Poppery I and II were really good enough.
>
>I use a Wear-Ever brand, model is Popcorn Pumper - works great.
>
>> These guys are the best:
>>
>> http://www.sweetmarias.com/index.php
>
>Yup, but these folks
>
>http://coffeebeandirect.com
>
>are also very good - they cater more to buyers of roasted than green
>bean but I buy green from them regularly.
>
>-S-
>

I went through a couple of West Bend Poppery poppers over the years
but, for Christmas back in 2008 my family bought me a Behmor 1600.
After roasting hundreds of pound of coffee it's still going strong.
A great Canadian source for green coffee beans that I've been using
for many years is The Green Beanery. http://www.greenbeanery.ca/bean/
And, by purchasing in 20 lb. lots from their wholesale & bulk listings
and splitting the shipment with my son, the prices can't be beat.
http://www.greenbeanery.ca/bean/cata...filter_by=both
or http://tinyurl.com/mtu9ynq

Ross.
Southern Ontario, Canada

<Ross@home> wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 23:20:27 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
> wrote:
>
>>notbob wrote:
>>> On 2014-02-10, graham > wrote:
>>>
>>>> buying one. 30+ yrs ago, my late F-I-L was using a device that was
>>>> sold as a roaster but looked like a popper. I can get green beans
>>>> locally from a store-front roaster but there wouldn't be much saving
>>>> in cost, if any. Graham
>>>
>>> BTWOTTS!!
>>>
>>> Gotta get the right popcorn popper. Only the defunct West Bend
>>> Poppery I and II were really good enough.
>>
>>I use a Wear-Ever brand, model is Popcorn Pumper - works great.
>>
>>> These guys are the best:
>>>
>>> http://www.sweetmarias.com/index.php
>>
>>Yup, but these folks
>>
>>http://coffeebeandirect.com
>>
>>are also very good - they cater more to buyers of roasted than green
>>bean but I buy green from them regularly.
>>
>>-S-
>>
>
> I went through a couple of West Bend Poppery poppers over the years
> but, for Christmas back in 2008 my family bought me a Behmor 1600.
> After roasting hundreds of pound of coffee it's still going strong.

Blimey! I thought I drank too much coffee! {:-)
How often do you run the roaster? It looks big enough to run a small
café/restaurant.
Graham




> A great Canadian source for green coffee beans that I've been using
> for many years is The Green Beanery. http://www.greenbeanery.ca/bean/
> And, by purchasing in 20 lb. lots from their wholesale & bulk listings
> and splitting the shipment with my son, the prices can't be beat.
> http://www.greenbeanery.ca/bean/cata...filter_by=both
> or http://tinyurl.com/mtu9ynq
>
> Ross.
> Southern Ontario, Canada
>

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 09:09:14 -0700, "graham" > wrote:

>
><Ross@home> wrote in message
.. .
>> On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 23:20:27 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>notbob wrote:
>>>> On 2014-02-10, graham > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> buying one. 30+ yrs ago, my late F-I-L was using a device that was
>>>>> sold as a roaster but looked like a popper. I can get green beans
>>>>> locally from a store-front roaster but there wouldn't be much saving
>>>>> in cost, if any. Graham
>>>>
>>>> BTWOTTS!!
>>>>
>>>> Gotta get the right popcorn popper. Only the defunct West Bend
>>>> Poppery I and II were really good enough.
>>>
>>>I use a Wear-Ever brand, model is Popcorn Pumper - works great.
>>>
>>>> These guys are the best:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.sweetmarias.com/index.php
>>>
>>>Yup, but these folks
>>>
>>>http://coffeebeandirect.com
>>>
>>>are also very good - they cater more to buyers of roasted than green
>>>bean but I buy green from them regularly.
>>>
>>>-S-
>>>
>>
>> I went through a couple of West Bend Poppery poppers over the years
>> but, for Christmas back in 2008 my family bought me a Behmor 1600.
>> After roasting hundreds of pound of coffee it's still going strong.
>
>Blimey! I thought I drank too much coffee! {:-)
>How often do you run the roaster? It looks big enough to run a small
>café/restaurant.
>Graham

The Behmor does a maximum of 1 pound of green beans at a time.
I usually do two 1 lb. roasts (with a 1 hour rest period between
roasts) every couple of weeks. With 10% to 15% weight loss from green
to roasted, that's not really a lot of coffee.

Ross.
Southern Ontario, Canada

<Ross@home> wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 09:09:14 -0700, "graham" > wrote:
>
>>
>><Ross@home> wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 23:20:27 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>notbob wrote:
>>>>> On 2014-02-10, graham > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> buying one. 30+ yrs ago, my late F-I-L was using a device that was
>>>>>> sold as a roaster but looked like a popper. I can get green beans
>>>>>> locally from a store-front roaster but there wouldn't be much saving
>>>>>> in cost, if any. Graham
>>>>>
>>>>> BTWOTTS!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Gotta get the right popcorn popper. Only the defunct West Bend
>>>>> Poppery I and II were really good enough.
>>>>
>>>>I use a Wear-Ever brand, model is Popcorn Pumper - works great.
>>>>
>>>>> These guys are the best:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.sweetmarias.com/index.php
>>>>
>>>>Yup, but these folks
>>>>
>>>>http://coffeebeandirect.com
>>>>
>>>>are also very good - they cater more to buyers of roasted than green
>>>>bean but I buy green from them regularly.
>>>>
>>>>-S-
>>>>
>>>
>>> I went through a couple of West Bend Poppery poppers over the years
>>> but, for Christmas back in 2008 my family bought me a Behmor 1600.
>>> After roasting hundreds of pound of coffee it's still going strong.
>>
>>Blimey! I thought I drank too much coffee! {:-)
>>How often do you run the roaster? It looks big enough to run a small
>>café/restaurant.
>>Graham
>
> The Behmor does a maximum of 1 pound of green beans at a time.
> I usually do two 1 lb. roasts (with a 1 hour rest period between
> roasts) every couple of weeks. With 10% to 15% weight loss from green
> to roasted, that's not really a lot of coffee.
>
No it certainly isn't! I probably get through 3/4lb per week.
Graham

On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 11:45:45 -0500, Ross@home wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 09:09:14 -0700, "graham" > wrote:
>
> >
> ><Ross@home> wrote in message
> .. .
> >> On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 23:20:27 -0500, "Steve Freides" >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>notbob wrote:
> >>>> These guys are the best:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.sweetmarias.com/index.php
> >>>
> >>>Yup, but these folks
> >>>
> >>>http://coffeebeandirect.com
> >>>
> >>>are also very good - they cater more to buyers of roasted than green
> >>>bean but I buy green from them regularly.
> >>>
> >>>-S-
> >>>
> >>
> >> I went through a couple of West Bend Poppery poppers over the years
> >> but, for Christmas back in 2008 my family bought me a Behmor 1600.
> >> After roasting hundreds of pound of coffee it's still going strong.
> >
> >Blimey! I thought I drank too much coffee! {:-)
> >How often do you run the roaster? It looks big enough to run a small
> >café/restaurant.
> >Graham
>
> The Behmor does a maximum of 1 pound of green beans at a time.
> I usually do two 1 lb. roasts (with a 1 hour rest period between
> roasts) every couple of weeks. With 10% to 15% weight loss from green
> to roasted, that's not really a lot of coffee.
>
I liked the looks of the coffee roaster I found yesterday better, but
this is 1/10th the price.


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