On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 6:36:16 AM UTC-8, Dave Smith wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/embed/XfPAjUvvnIc

The truth about tap water:

http://articles.latimes.com/1985-01-..._birth-defects

http://www.cs.duke.edu/~narten/faq/water-treatment.html

But if it's safe for pregnant women to drink, and it's not killing your fish,
it's not too bad. But after years of drinking bottled water, drinking, say,
Chicago water is like jumping into a swimming pool.

On 12/3/2013 12:40 PM, wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 6:36:16 AM UTC-8, Dave Smith wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/embed/XfPAjUvvnIc
>
> The truth about tap water:
>
> http://articles.latimes.com/1985-01-..._birth-defects
>
> http://www.cs.duke.edu/~narten/faq/water-treatment.html
>
> But if it's safe for pregnant women to drink, and it's not killing your fish,
> it's not too bad. But after years of drinking bottled water, drinking, say,
> Chicago water is like jumping into a swimming pool.
>
I dunno about Chicago water. I get an occasional 'water report'. I
drink tap water. I don't pay for bottled water. The only reason I ever
had to buy bottled water was when we lived in Bangkok.

Memphis water was from natural aquifers. Just fine and not toxic. Here
I drink filtered water from the tap. Bottled water is a waste of money
and everyone thinks it is "healtier". I say BS. Just more plastic bottles.

Jill

On 2013-12-03 17:47:00 +0000, jmcquown said:

> On 12/3/2013 12:40 PM, wrote:
>> On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 6:36:16 AM UTC-8, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/embed/XfPAjUvvnIc
>>
>> The truth about tap water:
>>
>> http://articles.latimes.com/1985-01-..._birth-defects
>>
>> http://www.cs.duke.edu/~narten/faq/water-treatment.html
>>
>> But if it's safe for pregnant women to drink, and it's not killing your fish,
>> it's not too bad. But after years of drinking bottled water, drinking, say,
>> Chicago water is like jumping into a swimming pool.
>>
> I dunno about Chicago water. I get an occasional 'water report'. I
> drink tap water. I don't pay for bottled water. The only reason I
> ever had to buy bottled water was when we lived in Bangkok.
>
> Memphis water was from natural aquifers. Just fine and not toxic.
> Here I drink filtered water from the tap. Bottled water is a waste of
> money and everyone thinks it is "healtier". I say BS. Just more
> plastic bottles.

No extra bottles if you subscribe to such as Sparkletts (or any of the
water-suppliers they have absorbed); they pick up their bottles and
drop off new ones.

We drink distilled (now marketed as "purified") water and have it
delivered in 5-gallon jugs. Mineral content from different fresh
sources produces different things. Distilling makes it a little more
consistent.

Setting taste aside, I don't TRUST the people who operate all that mess
from cross-state all the way to my tap, it's just a big black box. I
know I could be a better "consumer" if I read daily reports of their
quarterly content stats. My problem with the "tap water is safe"
thinking is that it is always AFTER a contamination that we are
informed of the problems and/or errors they 1) overlooked, 2) were not
testing for, 3) could never have imagined, 4) they refuse to
acknowledge until 20 years in court.

I've been hearing for at least 2-3 years that fracking has the
potential to pollute the aquifirs from which many municipalities (and
some bottlers!) draw their drinking water. That too doesn't make me
very comfortable as fracking enterprise expands.

Those are my concerns.

I just called Sparkletts to find out exactly where the water comes from
and *how* it is "purified". Giving up on their site, I'm now waiting
for cserve aid on their 800 line.

More news as it comes in...!

On 2013-12-03 18:26:25 +0000, gtr said:

> Setting taste aside, I don't TRUST the people who operate all that mess
> from cross-state all the way to my tap, it's just a big black box. I
> know I could be a better "consumer" if I read daily reports of their
> quarterly content stats. My problem with the "tap water is safe"
> thinking is that it is always AFTER a contamination that we are
> informed of the problems and/or errors they 1) overlooked, 2) were not
> testing for, 3) could never have imagined, 4) they refuse to
> acknowledge until 20 years in court.
>
> I've been hearing for at least 2-3 years that fracking has the
> potential to pollute the aquifirs from which many municipalities (and
> some bottlers!) draw their drinking water. That too doesn't make me
> very comfortable as fracking enterprise expands.
>
> Those are my concerns.
>
> I just called Sparkletts to find out exactly where the water comes from
> and *how* it is "purified". Giving up on their site, I'm now waiting
> for cserve aid on their 800 line.
>
> More news as it comes in...!

Wow! That was most elusive and difficult to find information! I had
what sounded like an 18 year-old slowly and confusedly try to answer
questions, and eventually was told that my drinking water was coming
from SANTA ANA, CALIFORNIA where I presently live!

A municipal water supply? No no no--not a municipal water supply--a
"protected well". "Oh really? Where is it?"
"What--you want the address?"
"What the heck, sure. I'll take the address."

She couldn't manage to find it.

So the EPA controls the cleanliness of my water which comes from a
municipal pumping station about 400 yards from my house--literally,
it's behind the houses across the street at the convergence of the
Santa Ana River, and Santiago Creek (both usually dry).

But the protected well produces a "water product" and as such is
governed by the FDA, not the EPA, and provides about as much oversight
as a substitute teacher with a drinking problem. As Penn and Teller
mentioned, the EPA has 20 inspectors the FDA has "less than one". It
occurs to me that, sans purification, the municipal water supply is *at
least* better monitored for "stuff". Now I'm beginning to wonder what
the hell "purification" really means exactly as a corporate marketing
term, but don't have the patience to ask a community-college drop-out
right now. I'm beginning to wonder if it's spelled slightly different
like "Purafied (tm)".

On the Sparkletts web site there is no "water quality" report
available, nor could my cserve gal find it. So I searched via google:
"water quality" site:sparkletts.com - I came up with a page, so did my
aid. She kept saying it's there but I couldn't find it. No, I
explained, it's NOT THERE, if there is no access to it through the web
page directly. It's what's called a "hidden page".

Anyway, it provides trace mineral content and other such stuff. All
very interesting. I asked my aid; if my water is coming from Santa Ana
and this is the water report, what if I was getting my water in Texas,
would it be shipped from Santa Ana?

"No," I was told, "it would be one of their local 'protected wells' in Texas."
"And what of their report?"
"Oh, they get a different report."
"How could they get a different report if you only have one such
report on this hidden page on your website."
"They get a different web site."
"The Texas website isn't sparkletts.com."
"Sure, but it's different for them."

This loop of nonsense went on for a while and then I thanked her and
assume I'll be shaking down the delivery guy--a very pleasant old
fellow--for more info.

Thanks for the funny video, Dave! Very helpful stuff!

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/3/2013 12:40 PM, wrote:
>> On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 6:36:16 AM UTC-8, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/embed/XfPAjUvvnIc
>>
>> The truth about tap water:
>>
>> http://articles.latimes.com/1985-01-..._birth-defects
>>
>> http://www.cs.duke.edu/~narten/faq/water-treatment.html
>>
>> But if it's safe for pregnant women to drink, and it's not killing your
>> fish,
>> it's not too bad. But after years of drinking bottled water, drinking,
>> say,
>> Chicago water is like jumping into a swimming pool.
>>
> I dunno about Chicago water. I get an occasional 'water report'. I drink
> tap water. I don't pay for bottled water. The only reason I ever had to
> buy bottled water was when we lived in Bangkok.
>
> Memphis water was from natural aquifers. Just fine and not toxic. Here I
> drink filtered water from the tap. Bottled water is a waste of money and
> everyone thinks it is "healtier". I say BS. Just more plastic bottles.
>
Have you noticed that the bottles have a *best before date* on them?
That must mean that after a time, something leaches out of the plastic!!!
Graham

On 2013-12-03 2:34 PM, graham wrote:

> Have you noticed that the bottles have a *best before date* on them?
> That must mean that after a time, something leaches out of the plastic!!!
>

Maybe it means they want you to use it up and buy more, or to throw it
out and buy more. When it gets close to it's best before date they could
put it on sale for half price and only have a 10002 markup.

On 12/3/2013 5:23 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2013-12-03 2:34 PM, graham wrote:
>
>> Have you noticed that the bottles have a *best before date* on them?
>> That must mean that after a time, something leaches out of the plastic!!!
>>
>
> Maybe it means they want you to use it up and buy more, or to throw it
> out and buy more.

You *know* who would buy a case of it and pay attention to those dates.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 12/3/2013 12:40 PM, wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 6:36:16 AM UTC-8, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> http://www.youtube.com/embed/XfPAjUvvnIc
> >
> > The truth about tap water:
> >
> > http://articles.latimes.com/1985-01-..._birth-defects
> >
> > http://www.cs.duke.edu/~narten/faq/water-treatment.html
> >
> > But if it's safe for pregnant women to drink, and it's not killing your fish,
> > it's not too bad. But after years of drinking bottled water, drinking, say,
> > Chicago water is like jumping into a swimming pool.
> >
> I dunno about Chicago water. I get an occasional 'water report'. I
> drink tap water. I don't pay for bottled water. The only reason I ever
> had to buy bottled water was when we lived in Bangkok.
>
> Memphis water was from natural aquifers. Just fine and not toxic. Here
> I drink filtered water from the tap. Bottled water is a waste of money
> and everyone thinks it is "healtier". I say BS. Just more plastic bottles.
>
> Jill

I'm afraid you are absolutely wrong. Bottled water does not contain
chlorine or fluoride, both highly toxic chemicals, nor does it contain
the numerous additional toxic reaction products these two toxins produce
when they contact the decades of sludge in every municipal water system.
Bottled water is absolutely safer than municipal tap water in every
scientifically provable way.

In article >,
Pete C. > wrote:
>
>I'm afraid you are absolutely wrong. Bottled water does not contain
>chlorine or fluoride, both highly toxic chemicals, nor does it contain

Purity of Essence.

>the numerous additional toxic reaction products these two toxins produce
>when they contact the decades of sludge in every municipal water system.
>Bottled water is absolutely safer than municipal tap water in every
>scientifically provable way.


--

On 2013-12-04, Cindy Hamilton > wrote:
> In article >,
> Pete C. > wrote:
>>
>>I'm afraid you are absolutely wrong. Bottled water does not contain
>>chlorine or fluoride, both highly toxic chemicals, nor does it contain
>
> Purity of Essence.

I don't know what the above is, but I do know Pete, as usual, is dead
wrong. It's quite difficult to find bottled water that does NOT
contain small amts of chorine and salt, both allowed by the FDA. As
for flouride, it is offered as option from some brands of bottled
water, like Alhambra water in CA. This because some municipalities,
like the one where my granddaughters live, have commie fearing morons
in the city govt and no flouride in the water. This means my GDs will
be plagued with cavities, jes like I was. My daughter never had a
single cavity (almost 10 yrs) till we moved from a fluoridated town to
a non-fluoridated town. I would buy fluoridated water for my GDs.

nb

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2013-12-04, Cindy Hamilton > wrote:
>> In article >,
>> Pete C. > wrote:
>>>
>>>I'm afraid you are absolutely wrong. Bottled water does not contain
>>>chlorine or fluoride, both highly toxic chemicals, nor does it contain
>>
>> Purity of Essence.
>
> I don't know what the above is, but I do know Pete, as usual, is dead
> wrong. It's quite difficult to find bottled water that does NOT
> contain small amts of chorine and salt, both allowed by the FDA. As
> for flouride, it is offered as option from some brands of bottled
> water, like Alhambra water in CA. This because some municipalities,
> like the one where my granddaughters live, have commie fearing morons
> in the city govt and no flouride in the water. This means my GDs will
> be plagued with cavities, jes like I was. My daughter never had a
> single cavity (almost 10 yrs) till we moved from a fluoridated town to
> a non-fluoridated town. I would buy fluoridated water for my GDs.
>
The same thing happened in Calgary. Some halfwit councillors believed
everything they read on the internet. The others were right-wingers who
hated the idea of putting fluoridated water on their lawns.
Graham

Modern science indicates that ingesting fluoride is ineffective at reducing tooth decay and harmful to health Rotten diets make rotten teeth and no amount of fluoride will change that

Fluoride is a drug with adverse side effects that never should be dispensed via the water supply with no consideration for age, health, weight, drug interactions and need.

Fluoridation Opposition is Scientific, Respectable & Growing

Over 4,600 professionals (including 365 dentists and 566 MD’s) urge that fluoridation be stopped because science shows fluoridation is ineffective and harmful. See statement: http://www.fluoridealert.org/researc...tatement/text/

Nobel Prize winner in Medicine, Dr. Arvid Carlsson, says, “Fluoridation is against all principles of modern pharmacology. It's really obsolete.”


On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 9:54:59 AM UTC-5, graham wrote:
> "notbob" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > On 2013-12-04, Cindy Hamilton > wrote:
>
> >> In article >,
>
> >> Pete C. > wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>I'm afraid you are absolutely wrong. Bottled water does not contain
>
> >>>chlorine or fluoride, both highly toxic chemicals, nor does it contain
>
> >>
>
> >> Purity of Essence.
>
> >
>
> > I don't know what the above is, but I do know Pete, as usual, is dead
>
> > wrong. It's quite difficult to find bottled water that does NOT
>
> > contain small amts of chorine and salt, both allowed by the FDA. As
>
> > for flouride, it is offered as option from some brands of bottled
>
> > water, like Alhambra water in CA. This because some municipalities,
>
> > like the one where my granddaughters live, have commie fearing morons
>
> > in the city govt and no flouride in the water. This means my GDs will
>
> > be plagued with cavities, jes like I was. My daughter never had a
>
> > single cavity (almost 10 yrs) till we moved from a fluoridated town to
>
> > a non-fluoridated town. I would buy fluoridated water for my GDs.
>
> >
>
> The same thing happened in Calgary. Some halfwit councillors believed
>
> everything they read on the internet. The others were right-wingers who
>
> hated the idea of putting fluoridated water on their lawns.
>
> Graham

In article >,
notbob > wrote:
>On 2013-12-04, Cindy Hamilton > wrote:
>> In article >,
>> Pete C. > wrote:
>>>
>>>I'm afraid you are absolutely wrong. Bottled water does not contain
>>>chlorine or fluoride, both highly toxic chemicals, nor does it contain
>>
>> Purity of Essence.
>
>I don't know what the above is, but I do know Pete, as usual, is dead

It's a reference to Dr. Strangelove. The character Colonel Jack D. Ripper
was insane, and in addition to launching the nuclear weapons, he
ranted on and on about fluoridation. He needed to maintain the
purity of essence of his precious bodily fluids, so he drank
only pure grain alcohol and rainwater.

Cindy

>wrong. It's quite difficult to find bottled water that does NOT
>contain small amts of chorine and salt, both allowed by the FDA. As
>for flouride, it is offered as option from some brands of bottled
>water, like Alhambra water in CA. This because some municipalities,
>like the one where my granddaughters live, have commie fearing morons
>in the city govt and no flouride in the water. This means my GDs will
>be plagued with cavities, jes like I was. My daughter never had a
>single cavity (almost 10 yrs) till we moved from a fluoridated town to
>a non-fluoridated town. I would buy fluoridated water for my GDs.
>
>nb
>


--

On 2013-12-04, Cindy Hamilton > wrote:

> It's a reference to Dr. Strangelove. The character Colonel Jack D. Ripper
> was insane, and in addition to launching the nuclear weapons, he
> ranted on and on about fluoridation. He needed to maintain the
> purity of essence of his precious bodily fluids, so he drank
> only pure grain alcohol and rainwater.

Ahh! I haven't seen that movie in decades, but a classic, to be
sure.

nb

On 12/4/2013 9:41 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2013-12-04, Cindy Hamilton > wrote:
>> In article >,
>> Pete C. > wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm afraid you are absolutely wrong. Bottled water does not contain
>>> chlorine or fluoride, both highly toxic chemicals, nor does it contain
>>
>> Purity of Essence.
>
> I don't know what the above is, but I do know Pete, as usual, is dead
> wrong. It's quite difficult to find bottled water that does NOT
> contain small amts of chorine and salt, both allowed by the FDA. As
> for flouride, it is offered as option from some brands of bottled
> water, like Alhambra water in CA. This because some municipalities,
> like the one where my granddaughters live, have commie fearing morons
> in the city govt and no flouride in the water. This means my GDs will
> be plagued with cavities, jes like I was. My daughter never had a
> single cavity (almost 10 yrs) till we moved from a fluoridated town to
> a non-fluoridated town. I would buy fluoridated water for my GDs.
>
> nb
>
If fluoride is (allegedly) so bad why is it added to toothpaste? Why do
they sell fluoride rinses? Why do dentists give fluoride treatments? I
really don't understand the paranoia about fluoride.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/4/2013 9:41 AM, notbob wrote:
>> On 2013-12-04, Cindy Hamilton > wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> Pete C. > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm afraid you are absolutely wrong. Bottled water does not contain
>>>> chlorine or fluoride, both highly toxic chemicals, nor does it contain
>>>
>>> Purity of Essence.
>>
>> I don't know what the above is, but I do know Pete, as usual, is dead
>> wrong. It's quite difficult to find bottled water that does NOT
>> contain small amts of chorine and salt, both allowed by the FDA. As
>> for flouride, it is offered as option from some brands of bottled
>> water, like Alhambra water in CA. This because some municipalities,
>> like the one where my granddaughters live, have commie fearing morons
>> in the city govt and no flouride in the water. This means my GDs will
>> be plagued with cavities, jes like I was. My daughter never had a
>> single cavity (almost 10 yrs) till we moved from a fluoridated town to
>> a non-fluoridated town. I would buy fluoridated water for my GDs.
>>
>> nb
>>
> If fluoride is (allegedly) so bad why is it added to toothpaste? Why do
> they sell fluoride rinses? Why do dentists give fluoride treatments? I
> really don't understand the paranoia about fluoride.
>
One of the loonie fringe arguments is that it is industrial waste! But hell,
the lanolin used in a plethora of women's cosmetics is too. In fact, it used
to be extracted from sewage in towns where wool processing was a major
industry!
Graham

On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 11:26:50 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

> If fluoride is (allegedly) so bad why is it added to toothpaste? Why do
> they sell fluoride rinses? Why do dentists give fluoride treatments? I
> really don't understand the paranoia about fluoride.

I'm firmly in the fluoride is good camp although I don't like how it
makes water taste. Here are some of the arguments "against"...
http://fluoridealert.org/articles/50-reasons/

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

jmcquown wrote:
>
> >
> If fluoride is (allegedly) so bad why is it added to toothpaste? Why do
> they sell fluoride rinses? Why do dentists give fluoride treatments? I
> really don't understand the paranoia about fluoride.

Have you read the warning not to swallow more than a pea sized amount of
fluoride toothpaste? It's on every single tube of fluoride toothpaste
since fluoride is highly toxic. If you don't understand the significant
difference between topical application of fluoride toothpaste to teeth
followed by a rinse, vs. drinking the toxic fluoride (and it's reaction
by-products) daily then you need to go back to grade school level
science classes.

On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 21:19:13 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
[...]
>
>I'm afraid you are absolutely wrong. Bottled water does not contain
>chlorine or fluoride, both highly toxic chemicals, nor does it contain
>the numerous additional toxic reaction products these two toxins produce
>when they contact the decades of sludge in every municipal water system.
>Bottled water is absolutely safer than municipal tap water in every
>scientifically provable way.

So. Has anyone gotten around to scientifically demonstrating the
"proof" or are we to take it as a given that is too axiomatic to test
and just rely on lurid imagination?

"B. Server" wrote:
>
> On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 21:19:13 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >
> [...]
> >
> >I'm afraid you are absolutely wrong. Bottled water does not contain
> >chlorine or fluoride, both highly toxic chemicals, nor does it contain
> >the numerous additional toxic reaction products these two toxins produce
> >when they contact the decades of sludge in every municipal water system.
> >Bottled water is absolutely safer than municipal tap water in every
> >scientifically provable way.
>
> So. Has anyone gotten around to scientifically demonstrating the
> "proof" or are we to take it as a given that is too axiomatic to test
> and just rely on lurid imagination?

Yes, however I suspect you are too biased to look for it. Perhaps try
looking for the MSDS for sodium fluoride and sodium hypochlorite (or the
other variants of the two chemicals) at a .gov site?

On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 08:26:16 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
>"B. Server" wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 21:19:13 -0500, "Pete C." >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> [...]
>> >
>> >I'm afraid you are absolutely wrong. Bottled water does not contain
>> >chlorine or fluoride, both highly toxic chemicals, nor does it contain
>> >the numerous additional toxic reaction products these two toxins produce
>> >when they contact the decades of sludge in every municipal water system.
>> >Bottled water is absolutely safer than municipal tap water in every
>> >scientifically provable way.
>>
>> So. Has anyone gotten around to scientifically demonstrating the
>> "proof" or are we to take it as a given that is too axiomatic to test
>> and just rely on lurid imagination?
>
>Yes, however I suspect you are too biased to look for it. Perhaps try
>looking for the MSDS for sodium fluoride and sodium hypochlorite (or the
>other variants of the two chemicals) at a .gov site?

No Pete, not biased. Literate and numerate.

What I requested was a double blind study that demonstrates the
dangers of treated water, not nutty linking of unrelated information
and unsupported outcomes. A valuable aside, given the high cost and
pollution burden imposed by bottled water would be for the same study
to demonstrate any positive differentiation with respect to health
among consumers of bottled water.

I find it amusing how fixated you are on chlorine and fluorine while
ignoring sodium. Ever handled sodium? Nasty stuff that surely you
would not want to have in your body under any circumstances...

"B. Server" wrote:
>
> On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 08:26:16 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"B. Server" wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 21:19:13 -0500, "Pete C." >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> [...]
> >> >
> >> >I'm afraid you are absolutely wrong. Bottled water does not contain
> >> >chlorine or fluoride, both highly toxic chemicals, nor does it contain
> >> >the numerous additional toxic reaction products these two toxins produce
> >> >when they contact the decades of sludge in every municipal water system.
> >> >Bottled water is absolutely safer than municipal tap water in every
> >> >scientifically provable way.
> >>
> >> So. Has anyone gotten around to scientifically demonstrating the
> >> "proof" or are we to take it as a given that is too axiomatic to test
> >> and just rely on lurid imagination?
> >
> >Yes, however I suspect you are too biased to look for it. Perhaps try
> >looking for the MSDS for sodium fluoride and sodium hypochlorite (or the
> >other variants of the two chemicals) at a .gov site?
>
> No Pete, not biased. Literate and numerate.
>
> What I requested was a double blind study that demonstrates the
> dangers of treated water, not nutty linking of unrelated information
> and unsupported outcomes. A valuable aside, given the high cost and
> pollution burden imposed by bottled water would be for the same study
> to demonstrate any positive differentiation with respect to health
> among consumers of bottled water.
>
> I find it amusing how fixated you are on chlorine and fluorine while
> ignoring sodium. Ever handled sodium? Nasty stuff that surely you
> would not want to have in your body under any circumstances...

I'm fixated on toxic chemicals deliberately introduced to the water
supply.

Chlorine is a necessity to try to control the bacteria that live in the
miles and miles of decades old municipal water systems, but it's not
good to be drinking it so that is the first reason to filter all
drinking and cooking water at your home if you are on a municipal water
system.

Fluoride is not at all necessary for the operation of a municipal water
system. It was introduced decades ago with the idea of reducing cavities
in a populace that at that time had less access to fluoride toothpaste,
and as someone else posted, with a lot of support from companies that
wanted to sell the fluoride they had in abundance as industrial waste.
The time when there was any valid reason to add fluoride to municipal
water supplies is long past if there ever was a valid reason.

There is growing evidence that is showing that the total load of toxins
is important, even if the level of individual toxins is below the
threshold for adverse effects when tested in isolation in a lab. Thus
you add "safe" levels of chlorine to "safe" levels of fluoride to "safe"
levels of other environmental toxins and you end up "unsafe". Those
toxins need not all be in the water either, they can be additive with
toxins from other sources as well such as pesticide contamination of
food.

The bottom line is that it is not overly expensive to remove those known
toxins from your drinking water and thus lower the total load your body
has to deal with. You wash your produce to try to remove any pesticide
residue that may be present, is it not also reasonable to "wash" your
drinking water with a good filter to remove the toxins you know are
there?

On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 21:19:13 -0500, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>
>jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> On 12/3/2013 12:40 PM, wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 6:36:16 AM UTC-8, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >> http://www.youtube.com/embed/XfPAjUvvnIc
>> >
>> > The truth about tap water:
>> >
>> > http://articles.latimes.com/1985-01-..._birth-defects
>> >
>> > http://www.cs.duke.edu/~narten/faq/water-treatment.html
>> >
>> > But if it's safe for pregnant women to drink, and it's not killing your fish,
>> > it's not too bad. But after years of drinking bottled water, drinking, say,
>> > Chicago water is like jumping into a swimming pool.
>> >
>> I dunno about Chicago water. I get an occasional 'water report'. I
>> drink tap water. I don't pay for bottled water. The only reason I ever
>> had to buy bottled water was when we lived in Bangkok.
>>
>> Memphis water was from natural aquifers. Just fine and not toxic. Here
>> I drink filtered water from the tap. Bottled water is a waste of money
>> and everyone thinks it is "healtier". I say BS. Just more plastic bottles.
>>
>> Jill
>
>I'm afraid you are absolutely wrong. Bottled water does not contain
>chlorine or fluoride, both highly toxic chemicals, nor does it contain
>the numerous additional toxic reaction products these two toxins produce
>when they contact the decades of sludge in every municipal water system.
>Bottled water is absolutely safer than municipal tap water in every
>scientifically provable way.

You are truly an imbecile... bottled water IS tap water... what a dumb
ass.

On 12/4/2013 10:51 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 21:19:13 -0500, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> On 12/3/2013 12:40 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 6:36:16 AM UTC-8, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/embed/XfPAjUvvnIc
>>>>
>>>> The truth about tap water:
>>>>
>>>> http://articles.latimes.com/1985-01-..._birth-defects
>>>>
>>>> http://www.cs.duke.edu/~narten/faq/water-treatment.html
>>>>
>>>> But if it's safe for pregnant women to drink, and it's not killing your fish,
>>>> it's not too bad. But after years of drinking bottled water, drinking, say,
>>>> Chicago water is like jumping into a swimming pool.
>>>>
>>> I dunno about Chicago water. I get an occasional 'water report'. I
>>> drink tap water. I don't pay for bottled water. The only reason I ever
>>> had to buy bottled water was when we lived in Bangkok.
>>>
>>> Memphis water was from natural aquifers. Just fine and not toxic. Here
>>> I drink filtered water from the tap. Bottled water is a waste of money
>>> and everyone thinks it is "healtier". I say BS. Just more plastic bottles.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> I'm afraid you are absolutely wrong. Bottled water does not contain
>> chlorine or fluoride, both highly toxic chemicals, nor does it contain
>> the numerous additional toxic reaction products these two toxins produce
>> when they contact the decades of sludge in every municipal water system.
>> Bottled water is absolutely safer than municipal tap water in every
>> scientifically provable way.
>
> You are truly an imbecile... bottled water IS tap water... what a dumb
> ass.
>

Not all:

http://www.calistogawater.com/NaturalSource.aspx

Calistoga® Brand Sparkling Mineral Water comes from a source deep in the
earth below the town of Calistoga.

Calistoga® Brand Sparkling Mineral Water’s geothermal source is a
uniquely important factor in safeguarding water quality. Natural forces
heat the mineral water to the boiling point; to be bottled it must be
cooled to 36 degrees Fahrenheit.

The interaction of geothermal forces with local volcanic rocks give
Calistoga Sparkling Mineral Water its own mineral base. Not only does
Calistoga® Sparkling Mineral Water help restore a fluid base, but its
minerals add a distinctive, refreshing taste.

On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 12:05:03 -0700, "Pearl F. Buck"
> wrote:

> On 12/4/2013 10:51 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 21:19:13 -0500, "Pete C." >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> jmcquown wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 12/3/2013 12:40 PM, wrote:
> >>>> On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 6:36:16 AM UTC-8, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/embed/XfPAjUvvnIc
> >>>>
> >>>> The truth about tap water:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://articles.latimes.com/1985-01-..._birth-defects
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.cs.duke.edu/~narten/faq/water-treatment.html
> >>>>
> >>>> But if it's safe for pregnant women to drink, and it's not killing your fish,
> >>>> it's not too bad. But after years of drinking bottled water, drinking, say,
> >>>> Chicago water is like jumping into a swimming pool.
> >>>>
> >>> I dunno about Chicago water. I get an occasional 'water report'. I
> >>> drink tap water. I don't pay for bottled water. The only reason I ever
> >>> had to buy bottled water was when we lived in Bangkok.
> >>>
> >>> Memphis water was from natural aquifers. Just fine and not toxic. Here
> >>> I drink filtered water from the tap. Bottled water is a waste of money
> >>> and everyone thinks it is "healtier". I say BS. Just more plastic bottles.
> >>>
> >>> Jill
> >>
> >> I'm afraid you are absolutely wrong. Bottled water does not contain
> >> chlorine or fluoride, both highly toxic chemicals, nor does it contain
> >> the numerous additional toxic reaction products these two toxins produce
> >> when they contact the decades of sludge in every municipal water system.
> >> Bottled water is absolutely safer than municipal tap water in every
> >> scientifically provable way.
> >
> > You are truly an imbecile... bottled water IS tap water... what a dumb
> > ass.
> >
>
> Not all:
>
> http://www.calistogawater.com/NaturalSource.aspx
>

Arrowhead water comes from springs too.

According to this California is stricter than most states with
enforcement of rules and regulations for bottled water, but it ends by
saying "The long-term solution to our water woes is to fix our tap
water so it is safe for everyone, and tastes and smells good."
http://www.nrdc.org/water/drinking/bw/exesum.asp

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

On 12/4/2013 12:17 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 12:05:03 -0700, "Pearl F. Buck"
> > wrote:
>
>> On 12/4/2013 10:51 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> On Tue, 03 Dec 2013 21:19:13 -0500, "Pete C." >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/3/2013 12:40 PM, wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 6:36:16 AM UTC-8, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/embed/XfPAjUvvnIc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The truth about tap water:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://articles.latimes.com/1985-01-..._birth-defects
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.cs.duke.edu/~narten/faq/water-treatment.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But if it's safe for pregnant women to drink, and it's not killing your fish,
>>>>>> it's not too bad. But after years of drinking bottled water, drinking, say,
>>>>>> Chicago water is like jumping into a swimming pool.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I dunno about Chicago water. I get an occasional 'water report'. I
>>>>> drink tap water. I don't pay for bottled water. The only reason I ever
>>>>> had to buy bottled water was when we lived in Bangkok.
>>>>>
>>>>> Memphis water was from natural aquifers. Just fine and not toxic. Here
>>>>> I drink filtered water from the tap. Bottled water is a waste of money
>>>>> and everyone thinks it is "healtier". I say BS. Just more plastic bottles.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>> I'm afraid you are absolutely wrong. Bottled water does not contain
>>>> chlorine or fluoride, both highly toxic chemicals, nor does it contain
>>>> the numerous additional toxic reaction products these two toxins produce
>>>> when they contact the decades of sludge in every municipal water system.
>>>> Bottled water is absolutely safer than municipal tap water in every
>>>> scientifically provable way.
>>>
>>> You are truly an imbecile... bottled water IS tap water... what a dumb
>>> ass.
>>>
>>
>> Not all:
>>
>> http://www.calistogawater.com/NaturalSource.aspx
>>
>
> Arrowhead water comes from springs too.

That's tasty stuff too, has a real nice flavoring in the cherry version.
>
> According to this California is stricter than most states with
> enforcement of rules and regulations for bottled water, but it ends by
> saying "The long-term solution to our water woes is to fix our tap
> water so it is safe for everyone, and tastes and smells good."
> http://www.nrdc.org/water/drinking/bw/exesum.asp
>
Hard to argue that.

A Britta only goes so far...

Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> You are truly an imbecile... bottled water IS tap water... what a dumb
> ass.

If you actually believe that, you are the dumb ass. How much time have
you spent in a bottling plant? Have you actually seen the process?

On 12/5/13 8:27 AM, Pete C. wrote:
>
> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> You are truly an imbecile... bottled water IS tap water... what a dumb
>> ass.
>
> If you actually believe that, you are the dumb ass. How much time have
> you spent in a bottling plant? Have you actually seen the process?
>
IIRC, Consumer Reports did a test on bottled water years ago and found
that *some* of the bottled water was just that- tap water from whatever
place they bottled.

Goomba wrote:
>
> On 12/5/13 8:27 AM, Pete C. wrote:
> >
> > Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >>
> >> You are truly an imbecile... bottled water IS tap water... what a dumb
> >> ass.
> >
> > If you actually believe that, you are the dumb ass. How much time have
> > you spent in a bottling plant? Have you actually seen the process?
> >
> IIRC, Consumer Reports did a test on bottled water years ago and found
> that *some* of the bottled water was just that- tap water from whatever
> place they bottled.

You recall incorrectly then since no municipal water supply is
sufficiently clean to be bottled with any commercially viable shelf
life. The "source" may have been the municipal water supply as opposed
to some spring, but the product that was bottled was filtered to a
higher standard then the municipal supply so that it can have the
typical 2 yr shelf life.

On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 14:50:30 -0500, Goomba >
wrote:

>On 12/5/13 8:27 AM, Pete C. wrote:
>>
>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>> You are truly an imbecile... bottled water IS tap water... what a dumb
>>> ass.
>>
>> If you actually believe that, you are the dumb ass. How much time have
>> you spent in a bottling plant? Have you actually seen the process?
>>
>IIRC, Consumer Reports did a test on bottled water years ago and found
>that *some* of the bottled water was just that- tap water from whatever
>place they bottled.

TY

On 12/3/2013 7:19 PM, Pete C. wrote:
>
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> On 12/3/2013 12:40 PM, wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 6:36:16 AM UTC-8, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/embed/XfPAjUvvnIc
>>>
>>> The truth about tap water:
>>>
>>> http://articles.latimes.com/1985-01-..._birth-defects
>>>
>>> http://www.cs.duke.edu/~narten/faq/water-treatment.html
>>>
>>> But if it's safe for pregnant women to drink, and it's not killing your fish,
>>> it's not too bad. But after years of drinking bottled water, drinking, say,
>>> Chicago water is like jumping into a swimming pool.
>>>
>> I dunno about Chicago water. I get an occasional 'water report'. I
>> drink tap water. I don't pay for bottled water. The only reason I ever
>> had to buy bottled water was when we lived in Bangkok.
>>
>> Memphis water was from natural aquifers. Just fine and not toxic. Here
>> I drink filtered water from the tap. Bottled water is a waste of money
>> and everyone thinks it is "healtier". I say BS. Just more plastic bottles.
>>
>> Jill
>
> I'm afraid you are absolutely wrong. Bottled water does not contain
> chlorine or fluoride, both highly toxic chemicals, nor does it contain
> the numerous additional toxic reaction products these two toxins produce
> when they contact the decades of sludge in every municipal water system.
> Bottled water is absolutely safer than municipal tap water in every
> scientifically provable way.
>

With one caveat, bacteria count.

Sometimes that can be out of range.

"Pearl F. Buck" wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm afraid you are absolutely wrong. Bottled water does not contain
> > chlorine or fluoride, both highly toxic chemicals, nor does it contain
> > the numerous additional toxic reaction products these two toxins produce
> > when they contact the decades of sludge in every municipal water system.
> > Bottled water is absolutely safer than municipal tap water in every
> > scientifically provable way.
> >
>
> With one caveat, bacteria count.
>
> Sometimes that can be out of range.

In a municipal water system? Absolutely. Depending on your location in
the system the analysis of your tap water can be far outside allowable
standards, something the anti bottled water loons pretend doesn't exist.
Municipal water systems test at the source plant daily, but they only
test at the extents of the system to a minimal amount to meet annual
testing requirements. Even those annual testing requirements allow a
percentage of the samples from the far reaches of the system to exceed
allowable contaminant levels.

On 12/5/2013 6:38 AM, Pete C. wrote:
>
> "Pearl F. Buck" wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm afraid you are absolutely wrong. Bottled water does not contain
>>> chlorine or fluoride, both highly toxic chemicals, nor does it contain
>>> the numerous additional toxic reaction products these two toxins produce
>>> when they contact the decades of sludge in every municipal water system.
>>> Bottled water is absolutely safer than municipal tap water in every
>>> scientifically provable way.
>>>
>>
>> With one caveat, bacteria count.
>>
>> Sometimes that can be out of range.
>
> In a municipal water system? Absolutely. Depending on your location in
> the system the analysis of your tap water can be far outside allowable
> standards, something the anti bottled water loons pretend doesn't exist.

Yes.

> Municipal water systems test at the source plant daily, but they only
> test at the extents of the system to a minimal amount to meet annual
> testing requirements. Even those annual testing requirements allow a
> percentage of the samples from the far reaches of the system to exceed
> allowable contaminant levels.
>
True also.

On 12/3/2013 12:40 PM, wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 6:36:16 AM UTC-8, Dave Smith wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/embed/XfPAjUvvnIc
>
> The truth about tap water:
>
> http://articles.latimes.com/1985-01-..._birth-defects
>
> http://www.cs.duke.edu/~narten/faq/water-treatment.html
>
> But if it's safe for pregnant women to drink, and it's not killing your fish,
> it's not too bad. But after years of drinking bottled water, drinking, say,
> Chicago water is like jumping into a swimming pool.
>

Easily rectified with a carbon filter. Our town water varies from nasty
to terrible depending on season, but a couple of cartridges a year makes
it as good as any water.